There has to be a limit to what consoles can do. In the article he mentions rage as a software solution to fix the limited 360 hardware issue but you have to wonder what the true expense of such software is? To me, looking at the Rage videos, it seems like they've done something to the viewing perspective kinda looks like you're viewing the world through wide angle goggles or something.

Bottom line is there have been no massive graphical leaps on 360 since gears and the PS3 continues to surprise us with eye candy and great exclusives.

@double toasted yes they do have a better draw distance but with red dead if you turn the cam,era too fast the textures aren't there for a few seconds also uncharteds graphics are better and the style of the game means it is quite hard to get views like you'd find in an open world games.

Stating the clock speeds is only half the story. It's true PS3 ram is clocked at 3.2 ghz while 360 ram is clocked at 700 mhz, but the 360 has a much wider bus and thus only slightly slower in over all data transfer speed.

The numbers are often misleading. Let the games speak for themselves, and remember cutting edge technology isn't required to make a good game - with that said I return to playing Dwarf Fortress while my PS3 gathers dust.

"more scale than UC2"

Wake me up, when they have UC2 character models, texture resolution and animation system. The only open world game which might probably match that will be inFamous 2.

u, do you know what scale means? That person was commenting about scale and you want to be awaken when other topics are involved? Nah, you continue to sleep, we don't want any worthless drivel coming from you.

nope cant be done on 360

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...
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heres some high lights from the posts

"In Heavenly Sword, the Cell enables incredible numbers of enemies to be on screen at one time. The trick is that Cell treats entire regiments as a single unit of artificial intelligence when they are at a distance; as they draw closer, Cell gradually divides the army into smaller and smaller groups, so they eventually become individual troops with unique fighting styles and tactics."

"It's incredible to see huge levels and see the deferred rendering and note that on all the SPU’s, even on the heaviest load were coming up to about 60%," Haynes said. "They weren't coming close to maxing out. .They had about 40% of space before they started tripping or saw slow down on some of the processes."

We’ve solved most of our memory problems by relying on the SPEs to perform compression, both at load-time and at run-time, using techniques developed by ICE, SCEA Tools&Tech and the SCEE ATG group."

"For us, the most exciting part of the PS3 has been the cell processor, the SPUs specifically. In our highest density scenes right now, we are currently using about 30 percent of the SPUs' capabilities--with the SPUs doing lots of heavy lifting for us on rendering, visibility, particle systems, skinning, animation blending, and so on...this with scores of pedestrians, cars, fires, etc., all going on. And the best part? We've not made any significant attempts to even optimize the SPU code. I think it's reasonable to guess we could put 10 times as much stuff on the SPUs and still make our frame budgets. It's really pretty amazing."

Guay also expressed how impressed he has been with Blu-ray and the PS3's hard drive, noting: "The hard drive and Blu-ray are making our life easy considering FC2 is an open world continuously streamed around the player. That streaming bandwidth and disk space is very appreciated."

"Also, Epic isn’t a huge company. They don’t have unlimited resource. We have parachuted in some of our SWAT team of super engineers to help them. Specifically, to optimize for SPUs, which are the point of difference that the Cell Processor has. That process is under way. The benefits that it yields to end developers whether they’re writing exclusive titles or multiplatform titles is that the performance on PS3 goes up exponentially, and it will make for a much better game experience."

"It is hard to fully quantify how much potential the PS3 has. We certainly have a significant amount of untapped SPU power. Even though we moved many of our systems to the SPU's for COD4, we are planning on moving more of the collision and AI to the SPU. We are also investigating doing more procedural animation on the SPU for our next project. Using the SPU for procedural animation allows for another level of interactivity that wasn't really practical on the previous generation of hardware,

This just reaffirms how vital of a role the SPU's are to the PS3. Now that devs are starting to use the cell to perform similar tasks as a GPU would. The evident power of the PS3 is unfolding right before them. This also making the RSX that much more efficient. PS3 games are now going to be setting the bar higher than ever before."

When it comes to scale and draw distance nothing comes close to god of war 3, Period.

You're honestly trying to compare Bulletstorm to Killzone 3? Bulletstorm has some interesting ideas on gameplay, but at the end of the day, it looks like a mediocre FPS, which 360 and PS3 are already abundant in. My guess is Bulletstorm sells less than 1 million on PS3. It will only sell well on 360 because 360 owners buy ANYTHING because they have nothing good to play except MW2, Gears and Halo.

Bulletstorm LOOKS like a 360 game. Killzone 3 LOOKS like a PS3 game. One is multiplat, one is designed to utilize the full potential of one console. That pretty much sums it up now doesn't it.

How come PS3 games are the only ones that have been recently pushing forward with graphics and scale reaching new limits? What 360 games have been raising any bars? Since the release of Killzone 2, Uncharted 2 and God of War 3, name ONE SINGLE 360 game that has come out since then that can even be mentioned in the same sentence.

@Dragun619

I believe Valve's reasoning for Portal 2 being best on PS3 was really just Steamworks, since MS has blocked them on that -- not graphics.

@gman_moose

>implying Killzone 3 won't be a mediocre FPS

OHGODICAN'TSTOPLAUGHING

Also, this:
>because they have nothing good to play except MW2, Gears and Halo.

The 360 has both exclusives that are fun and non-exclusives that are just as fun as their PS3 counterparts.

>my face when I realized that you guys can't stop drooling on DAT TRIPLE long enough to realize this

"Technically PS3 Exclusives such as MGS4, GOW3,Uncharted 2, or Infamous 2 can't be done on Xbox 360, because the game is developed to take advantage of the PS3's Cell processor and it's Six SPE Cores which Xbox 360 doesn't have"

So what if these games were made for a tripple core system( each of these cores having HT technology)?

Im sorry but you are just talking nonsense.
Im not defending the 360...but talk like that makes me laugh.

Just depends on how dedicated the software is written for each system.

But in the end people pretend 360 games are ugly. They are just fine as is. People are spoiled like hell.

the game was owned by sony and would never appear on ANY other platform not just the 360. Like seeing mario in a 360 or ps3 game would only happen if nintendo went software only like sega. Now you see sonic on everything instead of remaining true to his roots.

Performance, quality....there will always be compromises on a miltiplatform title. If the fundamental basics can be achieved then the notion of "never" sort of goes out the window. MGS4 could be done. Uncharted could be done. Even killzone could be done because all of those games are made by other companies. With the right tools and talent they could make the games work on the 360. Differences would be present but that is typical from one platform to another.

God of war...that is an example of a game that could never be done on the 360 because it is made by sony themselves.

uncharted 2 is corridor shooter

Ok holy Moscow where does it say on neo gaf that we can stop making sub 30 frame persecond games.

He is only organizing code and experimenting with get more done on the spu yet no where does he talk about the cost speed wise for doing such things.

Seriously you can do any thing in software yet when you don't assign a frame rate or preformance rating other than usage your or just saying your code is not totally maxed.

Any thing that can run faster and better doesn't leave 50% of it's power untapped.

I really wished some of you guys would try game development just so you can see how things work. All of this hype about spus when the hd5000 cards have hundreds of processors that actualy can handle code on their own.

Another thing is why do poeple claim that they can not do the same tricks on the tri core with hyper treading? I guess no one talks about it. It doesn't sound cool or it doesn't hype up the myth of the cell.

That's cool have your fun guys.

I think the idea that something can't be done on the 360 is just bullshit blanket statement. Let's face it, what aspect of a game can't be done on another console?

If anything, it is just the fact that a certain design choice is not suitable for another console making it difficult. It's like retro fitting a Windows application for Linux....

Doesn't mean the same results can't be achieved, but rather porting the software design is difficult (if not impossible) to carry over. There will always be some small exceptions to this, but I doubt any of them would matter.

Any software developer knows this, gamers most likely NOT!!!

Well, the Xbox 360 is still churning out sub-HD expansion packs from second parties.

"Can be done" isn't the same as "will be done"

PS3 has. 360 has not.

I'll bet you're the same people that said "LOL PSTREE HAZ POTENTIALZ SO WAHT?" and now you talk about potential like having potential means that it happens with the flick of a wrist.

@Proxy
Yea, only PS3 exclusive games gets to talk!
Leaving your PS3 piling dust? You sounded like you are one f*cking poor broke-ass beggar who is waiting for the day you could ripped PS3 games, like the one you're currently playing.. dwarf fortress.. You want Tetris? Come dig my garbage bin its free. I'll also bonus you with a banana skin..

@sidar
Nobody said 360 games look ugly. Just that when you compare them to the masterpiece of PS3 exclusives.. That's when they look ugly. Yea we are spoil brat, which is why we opt for THE BEST!

Saying that a day the 360 games would look exact of a PS3 games is like saying leaving a dog sh!t there for 1min would turn into a gold. It's IMPOSSIBLE!

True, tired of numbers there for xbox and polygons here for ps3, but keep the entertainment guys, pretty neat.

Great, ps3 has more power, xbox sold more, end of the story.

"this is what gaming has come to

counting polygons and who wins
sad"

Since I did my thesis on developing graphics hardware on FPGAs I can say counting polygons and coming up with ways to increase the number of polygons on a screen at one time can be quite fun.

I am sorry you have no interest in the time and effort that goes into creating a realistic gaming experience. Especailly from the hardware side.

That to me is what is sad.

>mon visage when polygon counts are used to gauge the quality of games and consoles

Googling polygon counts. Do you feel cleverer having done that now?

You know it takes more than polygon count to make a game look good, right?

If you had any idea about game design you'd know this, so quit pretending like you do.

"It can't be done on the 360" is just another fanboy term. The same can be said for the Ps3 with some 360 games, particularly upcoming ones.

Of course though, all that matters on N4G is which has the more persistent fanboys. Which is the Ps3, so I'll be showered with disagrees no doubt.

Polygons do make the game look better but it won't make the game play better. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out, duh!

What ever can be done on the 360 can be done on the PS3, only a fool will say otherwise.

You'll be showered disagrees because you have no idea of what your talking about.

""It can't be done on the 360" is just another fanboy term. The same can be said for the Ps3 with some 360 games, particularly upcoming ones."

It's always upcoming games, until the upcoming games become current games and suddenly it's 540p, bad textures, 5 hour gameplay and PS3 fanboys are the worst for rubbing it in!

"this is what gaming has come to
counting polygons and who wins
sad"

You're in the comments section of an article about abilities of game consoles.
Sorry for discussing game console ability in an article about game console ability.

You know what, Napoleon? If you don't like it, YOU CAN LEAVE!
You kids come in here complaining about the subject matter like you were dragged into clicking this article by wild horses!

McDonalds hamburger= Billions served

porterhouse Steak = hundreds of millions served

filet mignon = likely less than two to five million served

since when did more sold ever meant "quality" or "better than what sold less"?

At any rate, like I tell everyone who wants to say this or that about any console being more powerful than what, or if a PC game is better than a console game is this:

Prove it.

Youtube has been out for years, so it shouldn't be hard to prove, even if you don't own a $5000 computer or a PS3, or a 360. The proof is in the pudding.

I wish there was some way for me to shake you hand. You show some of the intelligence that is so rare on this website. Sadly of course, the majority of bosom buddies on this site will disagree with what you said, but your point WILL be understood by those who aren't wearing their fanboy glasses.

Have a Bubble and Agree on me.

"And GOW III just doesn't look "that" good."

What does that mean?

So you trying to say you werent impressed by GoW3 opening level, fighting again Poseidon on top of Gaia? because just yesterday I replayed that section and my jaw dropped again. CGI quality with massive scale + incredible particle effects everywhere.

oh you are so funny x360 struggles(YOU HAVE TO DROP RESOLUTION TO BELOW 720P TO ACHIEVE IT!!) to do 4xAA never mind MLAA which is the equivalent to 16xAA, come back to the forums when you are better educated the cell is different to pc architecture and is not as reliant on gpu/memory as the x360 is as the cell can perform graphical tasks such as pre-processing, by using the SPU's
It sucks when even a girl knows more about computing than you

Speaking of halo reach. Wasn't it bungie that proclaimed "We are capable of killzone 2 graphics with halo reach."? Now that we have seen the game in action, while markedly improved over halo 3's cartoonish visuals, it is nowhere near the level of killzone 2..

My bad. You did not say "best graphics ever." UC2 GOW threads running together in my head.

Heavenly sword definitely had framerate problems but I thought it looked better overall and would love to see it remade now that devs know how to take better advantage of the SPUs. I thought the voice acting and pacing/direction were in a league of their own, Uncharted 2 is in the same ballpark, and it set the standard for breaking the repetitiveness of button mashers with substantive and fun diversions. Just talking about it, I'm going to buy it again (sold it a while back with my fat PS3), used of course.

@raztad
I mean they don't look good enough to me to make me question if another console could do them. UC2 maybe, but GOW, I'm not seein' it.

Impressed by the creativity yes, but technically, not so much. I think what most people found so impressive (the scale?) was just moving cut scenes to me.

Not saying it isn't a good or fun game, not even saying there is a comparable counterpart on the Xbox platform, there is not. Just saying I don't think it comes close to raising the bar in its genre the way UC2 does. Of course, I don't hide the fact that I think Heavenly Sword is the standard bearer in all phases in that genre. It's a shame what happened to it.

How about this one then. . .
Has any other console produced a game that looks as good as God of War 3? Is there a character model on consoles that looks as impressive as Kratos? Is there any game on consoles with the scale of battle on top of a moving object? If you can answer yes to any of those questions and give an example, you might be on to something, MorganX. Otherwise. . . Give it a rest. You promise things before you provide the service. Not 5 years later when we already see what you're providing.

I've already answered all of those, you just don't agree with it which is fine, except:

" Is there any game on consoles with the scale of battle on top of a moving object?"

No, but I don't find that to be all that impressive, definitely not something that would make me say, this can't be done on another console. Can't be, and hasn't been, are two different things. And that is the topic of this thread.

You haven't answered anything. The developers of games for the 360 and Wii haven't answered either. There are people who live in theory. Sometimes they apply their theory and it becomes reality. There are others who live in reality. It's always real. This is a perfect example of this topic. The theory that some have is that the PS3 exclusives are possible on other consoles. But the very real reality is that they are not.