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Why Kinect is too casual

Microsoft seems to be banking on the Kinect becoming a hit with the same crowd that bought the Wii. However, the Xbox 360 has built its reputation on being this generation's must have console for the core gamer. Without a doubt it is a little shocking to see just how casual the launch line-up for Kinect is. So the question begs to be asked. Is Kinect to casual for its own good?

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ingiomar5792d ago

lol you can't declare it casual yet xD

The_Zeitgeist5792d ago

I would beg to differ. We have not yet seen a single hard core game.

WhittO5792d ago (Edited 5792d ago )

^^ lol.

Wonder how long we actually see gameplay of the Star-Wars themed Time Crisis game.

Because thats what most of the games of Kinect actually are, it's basically a bunch of quick-time events you activate by jumping or ducking.

Works great for Heavy Rain, but wouldn't work if every game was like that, especially sports games, what would be the point!?

Gothdom5792d ago (Edited 5792d ago )

Star wars... you mean, this star wars???

Doesn't look fun to play a game that plays itself

Reibooi5792d ago

They had said time and time again that it would be more then just a causal focused machine and so far we have seen nothing to prove that. Even if something was really early they could have showed or at least mentioned it.

All they did was hurt themselves with what they have said in the past and what they didn't show during E3.

Cenobia5792d ago

lol, I thought you were just going to post the Star Wars kid video.

Bigpappy5792d ago (Edited 5792d ago )

Kinect is doing that with the casuals. The article is missing the whole point. Kinect at launch has nothing to do with existing 360 owners. There are small things that interest people like me (Dash board minority report interaction, fitness and dance games, Kinect Sports). The writer is sounding like M$ is coming to your home and confescating all controllers. Core gamers don't want to replace the controller with motion. When they relax their egos a bit they will see this. Kinet will be nothing more than and option to add elements to existing gameplay in hardcore games.

bjornbear5792d ago (Edited 5792d ago )

FAKE

that was pre-rendered pre-recorded video of what it "would" be like

kinect is too much "would be" and too little "is"

Dac2u5792d ago

It could potentially have a niche market in hardcore RTS and point-and-click Adventure games. RTS games could be really cool, using hand movements to select and deploy units. However, I still see a problem if they can't tone down that input lag while playing. RTS games are worthless if you have to wait a full second after every command so it can register what you've done.

HolyOrangeCows5792d ago

"Its about bringing new people in
Kinect is doing that with the casuals"

Casuals are going to spend all that money for a 360 + Kinect + a Game?
I have a hard time seeing casuals spending over $400 just for a fitness game, Nintendogs rip-off, or dance game. Not with the Wii around.

Folezicle5791d ago

Check out Child of Eden, game looks good but I'm not getting Kinect yet, not until I see some more games that look great

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silkrevolver5792d ago

...EVERYTHING We’ve seen for it is. Everything.

rdgneoz35792d ago

Until they show one hard core game, its casual.

p.s. This http://www.youtube.com/watc... isn't hard core...

Mini Mario5792d ago (Edited 5792d ago )

lol that reminds me of the wii music demonstration

hatchimatchi5791d ago

omg, i didn't watch the microsoft press conference so I missed out on that gem.

For the life of me, I cannot understand why some people are excited for kinect. It looks so insanely stupid and broken.

iamtehpwn5792d ago

'Walking forward'

Think about it.

stuna15792d ago (Edited 5792d ago )

Is how big a effect is this addon peripheral going to have on xbox360 hardware as a whole? Because it is reputed to use some of the calculating power of the xbox360 itself, will it pose a danger of overheating or, right out frying the xbox360.

Mini Mario5792d ago

That's the thing i don't think they really did think about it.

What if you have to run ? lol

mastiffchild5792d ago

The fact is nobody has yet even suggested to me how MS are going to get around having no alternative to analogue sticks and buttons-for most hardcore type genres you NEED to get around a game world bigger than your front room and need to trigger events in ways not easily done without a button or a trigger.

What we've seen is ALL casual and even the Star Wars thing is on rails-as I'm scared all more serious Kinect games might have to be unless they find something entirely new in control schemes bit even then it has to work as well as and preferably BETTER than analogues and buttons. I see little chance of Kinect being for more than the casuals tbh, but I'#d love to be proved wrong by something incredible. If there WAS something like that, though, wouldn't they have shown it?

Bigpappy5792d ago (Edited 5792d ago )

Where is Move on the pre-order charts?

I am quite sure M$ is reading these article and laughing their butts off as the pre-orders keep climbing and the competition keeps falling farther and farther behind. Core gamers are not going to move away from the controller to go to a motion option anytime soon. Move needs to show the casuals that it is kooler for them than Natal. The "Kool" factor is very important to the casual base, as well as "ease of use". It has nothing to do with how many hardcore games are made easier to get in to. Casuals aren't attracted to hardcore games.

Biggest5792d ago

"Why is kinect too casual?
Where is Move on the pre-order charts?"

Your defense is worst than the '76 Bucs. It can sell all it wants. It can cost more or less than rice in China for all I care. But right here and now the topic is Kinect being too casual. It is 100% casual right now. The plan for the interface manipulation is the definition of casual. The games shown are casual games. Everything about the Kinect is casual. Please buy it, Bigpappy. I hope it brings you years of joy. And even if it does. . . It's still casual until proven otherwise.

MysticStrummer5792d ago

Ah yes... the sales = quality thing. Wrong again. LOL @ that Star Wars video above. It's yet another example of pre-recorded video being shown in front of a person who fails to make it look like they are actually controlling it. In short... a lie. What's amazing is that not only did they pull this same crap two E3s in a row, but also that the media and 360 fans continue to eat it up. Kinect will sell well at first and then vanish. Move will start slow, be declared a failure, then build momentum as die hard Dual Shockers realize they are being schooled by the Movers, as is happening during Socom 4 development. Sony should make it possible to look at the leaderboards and see who uses the Move. That would sell many people on it.

Bigpappy5791d ago

Dude your are not making any sense. You are screeming it is for casuals and that is exactly what I wrote. You said "it can sell all it wants". Why do you think M$ bothered to make it.

In case I wasn't clear enough: Kinect is casual on purpose. That is the reason it is out selling Move already. Is that any clearer. I can't keep repeating. I have limited bubbles.

Obama5792d ago

starwar..the fake starwar game lol?

It is a casual device as 99.9% of the hardcore games won't work with it. It can be used as a gimmick for some of the games but hardcore gamers won't buy it solely for that reason.

jack_burt0n5792d ago (Edited 5792d ago )

ppl need to worry about it working, not if its too casual.

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Johnny Rotten5792d ago

looking at the launch titles reminds me why it's too casual.

http://www.vertigogaming.ne...

jneul5791d ago

looks at release titles looks at games like RUSE and John daily droppig motion support for kinect looks back at kinect, it's so not casual lol / s
let me know when it does games like sorcery, socom4, resident evil 5, look forwards to your next 360 spin when in 5 years time we have not only an eyetoy copy but a ps move copy as well....

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silkrevolver5792d ago (Edited 5792d ago )

...it’s just so... limited. I simply can’t see myself playing games on rails for the rest of my life.

TheWarmth5792d ago

No one disses skittles. NO ONE!!!!

cobraagent5792d ago

The games is one of the reasons. The e3 presentation and conference is another

nygamer285792d ago (Edited 5792d ago )

oh man here we go again....we still have months before kinect and move releases and still more games to be annouced,it could be be more casual games or core games we dont know right know,im not says its gonna do great or fail im just being optimistic about kinect and move

these articles piss me off,they do it just to get hits.im looking foward to the star wars game for kinect and the fight game for move

edit:really a disagree cause im being optimistic???please explain,fuk you psfanboys

edit:wow i lost a bubble for being optimistic about kinect,im starting to hate N4G,its a communist site

claterz5792d ago

Don't you think if there was a decent hardcore game for Kinect it would have been announced already?

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai20d ago (Edited 20d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio19d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing19d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster9219d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit19d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing19d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster9219d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay21d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn222d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers22d ago (Edited 22d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn221d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown22d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos22d ago (Edited 22d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay21d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay21d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac21d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger22d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300022d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde22d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood22d ago (Edited 22d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde21d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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'The big things that we're thinking about'

In an exclusive interview with Game File, new(ish) Xbox boss Asha Sharma and Xbox chief content officer Matt Booty explain their vision for Microsoft’s gaming division

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Agent7523d ago

A good start would be to release games to go with the console. My Xbox Series X has gathered dust virtually from launch. My advice would be to ditch a next console and release games on PC, PlayStation and Switch. Another idea would be a hybrid console based on Xbox Series X tech and go the same route as Nintendo. Another idea would be to pull out of gaming altogether. Plenty of options there.

Reaper22_20d ago

Why would they pull out? They have the momentum. Sony has been getting nothing but bad news lately.