Is that developers are having some trouble putting all this information onto these disks. So having a hard drive (expecially for the future) will be necessary. As long as it doesnt take up too much space then it shouldnt be too bad...hopefully.

..and if it is bad, then many people are going to be pretty angry...just a little...yeahh...

If they drop the price of the 20 gb Hdd then people will buy one...100 $ for 20 gbs was the early 90 this is 07 my 200 gb HDd i got for 100.. oh yeah I just got my last gb of ram...GEARS OF WAR PC bring IT

Got to love MS, so much for core owners, this validates Sony's decision to include a HDD with every model sold...

I do love my 360, but I think the lack of a standard hard drive was a poor choice on their part. The Xbox had it, why would they go backwards? I think there are valid arguments on both sides over their decision to go with DVD instead of HD DVD or Blu-ray, but I don't see the argument for no hard drive.

Ok so if this is true then here are my predictions Microsoft will first of all drop the core to between 199 and 249. This will be very similar to sonys strategy of droping an old SKU and selling it all off at a discounted price then bringing a new sku in to fill the gap but in MS's case no new unit will be brought in as the PRO is already there.

Second prediction. THE HDD add ons will recieve 30 and 80 dollar price drops respectivly. Microsoft want us to download content off XBL and htey are currently charging way above cost price for these add-ons at the moment.

Third Prediction Price drop for Pro will only be in US and Japan However Elite and Core system will be discounted across all regions. Europe will recieve a bundle similar to sonys strter package. I'm assuming this will co-inside with Halo 3 launchand the launch of the chat pad and the bundle will look something like this.

Xbox 360 console
2 wireless Gaming pads
20 GB HDD
1 wired headset
1 chat pad
All cables + Halo 3.

Shane Kim did an interview yesterday where he said Microsoft will NOT do business with developers who force the need of a HDD for their games.

I'd rather believe him than this article. So I call this debunked.

Hey this is still the PC model, plus doesn't game run and load faster on a HDD?

Plus whats up with this article,

http://www.n4g.com/NewsCom-...

I could of sworn they said the Core will be here forever? Unless someones lieing.... anyhow this is still Rumor but the titles is missing the infamous Question Mark, as always.

Why is there no ?, the title states as if its fact, let me see who approve..well there ya go.

Maybe this validates the stories of Microsoft dropping the core? Drop the price, sell it through the holidays and than drop the core like an ex g/f...than drop the price of the HDD to $50 and you still only paid $350 for your console with a HDD...if that takes place that's really not a big deal. If I bought a console and than in 2 years I knew I had to pay like $50 so it would help the games I wouldn't really complain. And no everyone I am not condoning the lack of the hard drive in the first place, no I am not a "Microsoft sheep" blind to the fact they have made some really BAD decisions. But if what I explained above does happen, while stupid, it wouldn't be a really big deal

doest oblivion require the use of a HDD?

I am glad they are doing this. I have a PS3 and 360 and you can see a difference in the quality on some 3rd party games on the PS3. The load times are better when you have a hardrive, and I notice most PS3 games have more content. The 360 needs this to allow developers to grow there games.

microsoft screw the people with the core system..lol..

I think is a good decision on their part.

They will rape all the core users sooner or later, but I think they are willing to sacrifice that small amount of owners so they can help developers do their job easier.

Good business decision nevertheless IMO.

most likely anyone who buys a core is probley just saving money for the hard drive later

Would be this so bad well yes and no I mean a article not long ago posted here siad that teh core only made up 20% of the 360 sales now how many of them got a harddrive as well or got one later on theres really no way of knowing. If this happens then only some games will have this as a need and if teh price of the core comes down and the price of the hard drive then people will still get a fairly good deal depending on how much the drop is when all this takes effect. I mean one could look at it like 299(if the bought it at launch) around 2 years of play time and then spend a nother 80 to play some of the top end games. Or later when and if this takes effect with a rpice cut of lets just say 100, 199 plus mem card 30 play the games already out and when a game comes out that you have to have the hard drive puy 80 or what ever they will drop it to. Should ms have realesed all the 360 with hd well maybe but I think the core was really aimed at the kids not the hardcore gamer where the games are not very big and can fit on a dvd9. I think ms didnt figure how the wii would corner that market so completly. I think with the right prise drop this will work out fine for them and atleast keep them in the game longer and keep develpers happy. Maybe this is what they ment when they said BR dvd wasnt needed who knows maybe along they figured they might have to do this to keep up. Goodgaming everyone

Why buy a core?

Not really its just that fanboys are posting this type of news over other types more often for one reason or another.

Microsoft already stated recently in regards to GTA4 on the hard drive issue and was asked what if Rockstar say HDD required to play the game? MS advised they are working closely with Rockstar to ensure that never happens as they do NOT want to alienate the CORE user.

I can't believe it's taken this long (assuming this rumor turns out to be true). One of the biggest advantages of xbox over ps2, and it was scrapped from 360!? It's been irritating me to no end as long as I've had the system, playing Oblivion and thinking: "How much better could this have been, if the game didn't have to be compatible for the lowest denominator? (HDD-less 'Core')"

It's not gonna happen, but I really wish Halo 3 had a "HDD Required" sticker. That way, I'd know they'd been able to try for the absolute maximum out of the console...

Drop the core MS. Do it now, today!

"Microsoft, We're sorta kinda next-gen gaming"

Its not enough that they didn't make HDDs standard, why do they make them cost SO much to the consumer? $100 for a 20 gig hd?!?! $100 for a wireless adapter? 160gig internal notebook hdd for $100 on newegg, probably less with their random price cuts and mail-in rebates. $50 for a top of the line usb wireless broadband adapter.

GTA4 requiring hdd space is not surprising at all, the sheer size of the new Liberty City with that level of hd graphics...the load times might be outrageous without being able to save some info on the hdd for streaming.

I thought the original xbox was one of the best consoles EVER. Right up there with the Dreamcast, and PS2. With that said, after being witness to the way M$ handled the original xbox, and past business practices, I could only sit back and watch as M$ was getting ready to rip consumers like xbots a new butt hole. It's a sad thing this 360 thing. A SAD thing indeed...HAHHAHHAHAHHAHA

ya until i see some kind of real proof of this I am talking this as 100% rumor.

However the Core does only account for less then 20% of people, and if they just dropped the 20 gig HD down to like 40 bucks and dropped the 120 gig then their prob wouldn't be that big of a thing.

I don't see the 4 million PS3 owners complaining that their all going to have to buy the rumble controller for like 60 or 70 bucks to play rumble games.

The Xbox might not have won the last title fight but it did win some rounds by having things like hdd as standard (quick feet), better graphics (harder punch), bigger media format (great uppercut). What ms has failed to do in the rematch is remember SOME the techniques that won it some of the rounds in the first fight and the larger media format (great uppercut) and (quick feet) were not improved upon.

Support that crappy company known as Microsoft, and you get crappy support and poor choice. Keep blindgly following the Green Power. You Guys are so blind its funny.

~whatever enjoy...

The only reason to cache to the HDD is to speed up load times. So, there is no technical reason to require the HDD if the engine is coded to handle both cases.

Also, dropping the bottom SKU goes against Microsoft's entire business plan, of bringing the 360 to a mass market price.

And finally, MS just admitted a hardware problem and set aside a Billion dollars to make sure their customers where being taken care of. This is not the act of a company who will turn around and start making incompatible games.

This rumor is just a off-shoot of the current fanboy driven 'DVD9 is teh suxors' crap we've been hearing. Just stop it.

that comparison is, well in a word, LAME.
anyway, if only 20% percent of people own a core, then i guess it doesnt matter. oh wait, wouldnt 20% of 360 owners be over 2 million?!
now that is a big old shaft to the rear.
now dont say that nobody buys core - ive just proved that wrong. also, dont say that core comes with memory card. because it doesnt. not in the uk anyway, i checked game and gamestation today. now im not saying the 360 is a bad system, i really arent, but it was a bad choice not including any form of HDD. 10gb would have been great.

Support Microsoft? Do you really want them to ruin the gaming industry? cause tahts what is happening gradually. Soon enough you'll be upgrading your console every year or 2, with Ram, and various components, and paying 50$/month for what the PC does for free. Take a mental note at all the "BIG" 360 games are PC games too. odd?? me thinks not.

Am i the only one on the REality Bandwagon?

I think even the most hardcore 360 fans have to agree that MS dropped the ball on this one. Not including an HDD as standard is probably the worst decision made by the Xbox team.

The core just should have come with a 5GB HDD. something small but enough for use with games that need it.

That said, I have ZERO problems with them making games that require a Hard Drive...the core is a small percentage of gamers anyway...and lets be honest...those with the core most likely are not hardcore gamers ...and therefore wouldnt be playing a game that needed it anyway.

They should have done it from the start. the puny 20GB will not do too good with this. Would need the 120GB to be viable. Pity about no standard HD like the PS3 - otherwise the core owners could upgrade - now they will pay through their noses for an upgrade.

Microsoft is in a tough spot with this one. The lack of an HDD definitely makes things tricky for developers, but allowing them to require it opens up a whole can of worms. Microsoft sure isn't going to want to subsidize HDDs for all the core owners out there, and they can't afford to just leave them out in the cold. Moving forward I think we're going to see this becoming more and more of an issue.

I wonder what portion of 360 sales are core? Does anyone know?

Why should people who have a HDD suffer for the people without it? I think it's great that this is happening. What do people without a HDD do? Don't they ever shut their 360 off?

Here's my opinion!

I think Ps3 is the perfect gaming maching, I mean, not perfect, but the PS3 offers alot of good things for $500. All the PS3 needed was games, n that's no longer a problem, because they are coming, "this fall and all da way through 08". While 360 have the games, but it doesn't offer what PS3 offers, n that is going to hurt 360 in the long run. And please don't tell me PS3 has no games.

I hope it true!

5% of 360 owners I believe, so it won't affect very many users relatively speaking. However, this does how how short-sighted Microsoft was in making an HDD-less 360. Even the low-end PS3 had a Hard Drive AND HDMI.

1) Why can't people be open minded to other people's opinions?

2) I own a 360, but I don't slag off the PS3. Why? Because I know that I feel that I made a good choice in consoles. I went for the console which offered me the best games, the best price and the best online. But, the does not mean that the PS3 is redundant in my mind. Give me some decent exclusive games such as GT, LittleBigPlanet and The Getaway and I'm interested.

3) I also hate this talk about the PS3 having disc space for THE FUTURE. I don't know about you guys, but I live in the present, and I wouldn't mind if Microsoft released a new console in a few years which would contain technology that makes Sony ashamed.

4) I am not a fanboy, I own a PS2, PSP, Ds Lite, 360 and a Wii. I make my own decisions and I am voicing my OPINION. You may disagree, but just stop and think about it.

Thank you.

Well not having a standard HDD has been 360's worst limitation alongside DVD9s. And it has nothing to do with how good the games are. It has to do with what more developers could've done with the caching and disk space. You think those 5 extra GeOW single player levels in the PC version were made specifically for it? No, chances are they had to cut them to make space.

But yeah I hope they do this. The Core was a huge mistake to begin with and should've been discontinued long ago.

And really this is also just another instance of MS tricking their customers and then screwing them over by forcing the purchase of accessories.

So wait a second.

"Recent rumors regarding games being "dumbed down" abound, coupled with word from our contacts last week that the the Core was being discontinued had lead us to believe MS was about to make a big change to the way 360 games are made."

They combine a rumour with another rumour of possible discontinuing the Core.

The last has been shot down by MS so...

This whole newsstory is incorrect?!

They are gonna force those people who bought the core for $300 to buy a real next gen. console like a PS3 of if they are fans of xbox they will have to spend $400 more just beacuase they are not gonna be able to play the next games.
come on microsoft stop milking your fans and screwing your costumers cant believe therea alot of people here supporting such crap.
like someone said around here a while back.

reason 12938485 not to own a xbox 360.

Looks like all Core users got screwed, now they all will have to buy the ridiculously overpriced HDD's

People that do not have a hard drive got screwed?
First we got SOny fanboys saying that the Core is not selling.. and microsoft should take it off the market. Now.. they make it sound as if everyone has a core...

Ok... let's see.. who has a core without a hard drive? Anyone?

I remember, for the PS2.. some games required a hard drive... and some of us got it to play those games...

Some games right now require a hard drive to play... Final Fanasy XI does...

Anyone wanting to play one of these games that do require a hard drive will most likely have a hard drive. People buying the core... are usually people that don't even play online, play casual games or not the few games that will require a hard drive.

Besides, how much is a hard drive? I can find it for $80. If I want a game really bad... do you think $80 will stop me? People buy the games.. and if the game they like requires something... they will simply go and buy it... which is why people buy racing wheels, etc.

If someone that wants to play Metal Gear is willing to pay $500-$600(new SKU) + $60 the game... do you think they will have a problem paying $80 for a hard drive to play a game they want to play and get to use the drive for all other games?

Once again, low life Sony fanboys are trying to make a big deal out of something that's not... Heck... tell that to people that have wii consoles... they don't even have the option.. and you don't see the complaining...

The core has it's purpose... for example, I currently own 2 xbox 360... I have one attached to my TV in the living room... plug to my monitor... that way... when people are watching TV I can still play.

I am thinking about buying a 3rd one to put it in my bed room... Why would I want a hard drive for? I already have 2. That's where the core comes in... when microsoft drops the price... it will cost $250.

Unlike the PS3 the xbox 360 hard drive snaps very quickly... no need to have 2-3 hard drives... and I am thankful microsoft is not forcing me to pay for the drive, even if I am not going to use it.

Or better yet.. sometimes I have friends that come to my home... having to plug the console is a pain... have them bring their hard drive... quick and easy...

IN what way is the 360 superior? well I will explain!

#1) A LIBRARY OF 500 GAMES!!
#2) SUPERIOR ONLINE, ONLY IDIOTS DISSAGREE!!!
#3) SUPERIOR SUPPORT & SEVICE
#4) AN INSTALL BASE OF ALMOST 12 MILLION!!!
#5) BEING ABLE TO GAME WITH PC (games for Windows)

I'LL JUST KEEP REPEATING BECAUSE NO ONE SEEMS TO FREAKIN' READ!!!!

So wait a second.

"Recent rumors regarding games being "dumbed down" abound, coupled with word from our contacts last week that the the Core was being discontinued had lead us to believe MS was about to make a big change to the way 360 games are made."

They combine a rumour with another rumour of possible discontinuing the Core.

The last has been shot down by MS so...

This whole newsstory is incorrect?!

The Core 360 IS not cut by MS. They keep selling that. The use of the HDD is also a rumour.

So there is nothing to worry about. Yeah one thing:

THe PS3 BluRay drive is too slow to read properly, so they use the HDD. That's not nescessary with the 360, the DVD drive is much faster. Just see the games compared starting up!

I honestly say get rid of the core. It really doesn’t have an advantage other than people just wanting to be cheap or not thinking. If you buy one of those memory cards they are like 30 bucks for 16mb so you should just pay for the premium version get the hard drive so you can save games and call it a day. Besides having a hard drive with more space helps devs give us games with better graphics and A.I.

why its not...

1)Look at the game line up coming up for PS3, quantity is nothing compared to QUALITY
2)Charging for online, PS3 is free and still getting better everyday, just wait for PS HOME, so call me an idiot but ill be the idiot whos $80 richer than you
3)has anyone had a problem with their PS3 which they needed support? where it wasnt clearly SONYs fault?
4)install base took 2 years to build with no competition...
5)if anyone wants to game with PC's, get a PC and play for free

Oh yea, thats that black box thing that they quit making. I been useing that to hold my door open...I forgot about that, it does play games anymore, but it sure allows a nice breeze to come in.

Gotta run, going to revisit "God of War 2" on the "PS2"...

JK, it was a good machine for its time, too bad it didn't last...hey at least it had a built in hard drive.

@HAPPY70

IN what way is the 360 superior? well I will explain!

#1) A LIBRARY OF 500 GAMES!!
most PC,PS3,PS2 ports....

#2) SUPERIOR ONLINE, ONLY IDIOTS DISSAGREE!!!
well for $80/year you better get something thats really worth it eh.

#3) SUPERIOR SUPPORT & SEVICE.
Hahahahahahaha dont make me laugh son.

#4) AN INSTALL BASE OF ALMOST 12 MILLION!!!
On which about 1/2 of them already have their x360 bricked and the rest will soon follow after.

#5) BEING ABLE TO GAME WITH PC (games for Windows)
We know most games for x360 eventually come out later on PC and better this makes the x360 very uselesss as a gaming system.

as always xbox fanbois weak flambait/easy target.

jeez take one rumour article about the x360 and watch PS3 fanboys write the same old generic comments they write in every article.

Actually that might be a good idea, keep approving the x360 rumour stories and keep the PS3 fanboys away from the good articles. So when I want to read something about Halo 3 the first thing that comes up is not a 12 year old's comment on how Halo 3 is gay.

I have all 3. wait i forget just yesterday i traded my wii and 360 core for an x360 elite (used).

i think the ps3 wud definatley be the better con*ole(??) if it had a wide variety of games to choose from.

..............well sony really fuc*ed this one up. but wait didnt the ps2 have the same problem until Final Fantasy X was released in japan 2001 start selling 1.7 million first week. the ps3 just needs a killer game

Halo 3 is Gay!

Just kidding....that was funny though!

This is why I like to have everything at once because sooner or later not having an important part with come back to haunt you.

I'm still thinking of what games to buy this holiday. My most anticipated game is Rockstars new supposely for the PS3. I want some sick new IP's. I'm disappointed in gaming right now, it's not different enough from last gen.

Not to mention a lot of the current house hold names are going multi platform because of development costs and more level competition. I want game developers to be more ambitious. Multi platform games suck. We need new IPs.

This will silence or tone down some xbot propaganda. Samething happened with the hd-dvd vs blu-ray fiasco

I still remember hearing xbots chirping away that 9 gb dvd's are good enough for all games. I guess were going to see future xbox games installed on HD's just like PC's having been doing for many many years.

For the ps3 consumer they dont have to worry too much about purchasing a new HD, because it will be mostly used for mods,addons, demos etc... smaller things things rather than manditory Installs. And even so the hd is not proprietory so a consumer can simly put a new hd easily if they wanted (Pc style)

I can smell it now xbots debate will sponaneously change from we dont need more than 9 gig's to omg the load times are much faster.. Which is good but you still have to buy a proprietory HD which is dam expensive .

Wow. Is this thread still going on?

People, the article is from one obscure site that references an unknown source and provides no evidence.

It is BOGUS.

Here are some more rumors for you: "Sony Home will require a real-estate license and 2nd morgage!" or "Cell Chip achieves sentience and demands Constitutional marriage rights!" or "Massive storage of Blu-Ray eclipses sun. Millions parish!" There, they were written on a web-site and so must be true. Shame people.

Good the games will run more smooth, PC games run more smooth because of this. This is only a bad thing to disc lovers or PS3 fans, infact the only ones who even care about disc are PS3 fans and you guys are so outnumbered PC, 360 and the Wii you guys don't even have enough PS3 to impact the gaming industry, so good luck with that.

Sorry!

just that first sentence was actually directed at you, everything after was me getting carried away and going on a rant. lol.

after about the fourth paragraph, i *FORGOT i was even talking to anybody. lol.

Where was all the sony boys when the ps2 didn't even have a harddrive. If it wasn't for xbox ps3 might have never even had a harddrive. I never met anyone on xbox-live or in person that didn't have a harddrive on their xbox 360. Technically all games already require it because of downloads, and patches. Memory cards can only go so far for even the light gamers.

and make games that going to use up all the space make it for HD-DVD and then use the HDD for faster loading time.

The 360 is great, aside from its past hardware problems I think its the best gaming platform hands down, but IMO M$ definitely made a mistake not to include HDD in all SKU's, I know some believe they should have included one of the HD formats but I believe DVD9 will be fine for games for quite some time, AAA games like ME and Halo3 are all the proof I need to see but HDD in all SKU's would have been another option that dev's could have used for games, space is definitely a benefit of HD medium,(positive for PS3 devs) but its not a must have IMO, a HDD in all sku's would be much more beneficial, I think it was M$'s biggest mistake not including it.

Yeah, yeah I know they wanted a lower entry level sku but really the vast majority of gamers do not want the Core, its sales a far far behind the Elite and Premium in comparison......so actually its a relative small amount of Core owners and everyday it gets smaller because most of them eventually buy the hard drive.... really ask the store workers at your local Gamestop for yourself, most of those who buy Core's fall into 1 of 2 categories......1 either they don't play online and just simply want to play a few next gen games as cheap as possible or 2 younger kids who can't wait until they have the extra money saved for a premium but plan to buy a HDD later on. I understand M$ wants to make it affordable but IMO the existence of the Core hurts them more than it helps them, because most of those who purchased the Core would have brought the Premium anyway, they just would have had to wait a little longer thats all, so that only leaves a very small percent who won't ever buy a HDD and that small percent doesn't justify M$ not giving the dev's the ability of using the HDD as an option.

Its really bad when a company does something that hurts some of early buyers. With Elite and now Halo 360's announced many normal Premium adopters felt rather bad and now they're doing this to Core owners?

But that must be done as some devs including GTA4's are already complaining about Core systems' lack of HDD.

All multi games like AC,GTA4,DMC4 ect. are going to downgraded to a console with last gen. media,no hardrive and no 1080p support with HDMI.
ahhh this is why i hate multi games so much.

Why? Because Core users tricked into getting "the same" can't really play every game available on the platform. That's like a Sega CD or 32X move. You have to pay at least $100 to play every game now if you have a Tard Pack.

You know why I feel more screwed though? Because I got the "Premium" pack, assuming I was getting "the best". I didn't even get 20GB of space, it was only 13GB, and I'm a hardcore gamer, a heavy console user, and a videophile too. Microsoft should have released the "Elite" first, then the Premium to reach casuals, and never the tard pack.

Now I'm screwed with either constantly deleting and administrating content (like I wasn't already) on my measly 20 GB (i.e. 13 GB) HDD, or buying a 179 GB HDD. What a load of sh1t.

I've downloaded almost every thing there is to be downloaded to my PS3, and I still have about 20 GB left. That's more than you get with a Premium 360, and yet I have lots of content on my HDD.

Edit:

Dr. Pepper, you failed to notice that I said 90% has either Core OR premium. I'm considering the Elite too, as it is available, you know. I say screwed because they always said Xbox 360 games would NOT require the HDD. Furthermore, there was never a choice to upgrade until one or two months ago when the Elite came out, and it's too expensive compared to third party alternatives on PS3. On PS3 you can upgrade to ANY HDD you want. Furthermore, even when the 20 GB version was available, there was always the CHOICE to get one with a decent amount of space for games. Xbox 360's only decent option for games, especially now that games will REQUIRE HDD, is the Elite. Unfortunately, most users will never get the Elite. How's that not gonna piss every 13 GB HDD user, I don't know.

I say yes to better working games. I say no to chicanery, and what Microsoft did to Core owners, and even early adopters of the Premium system was that.

And by the way, it IS 13 GB, not 16.

That is why i am glad that i bought a ps3 no problems other then the lack of games but that will soon be resolved.

I have the Premium already, but i have to say Microsoft dropped the ball on this.
They got it right the first time with the Xbox, why mess it up so badly on the 360?

Geez talk about shooting your self in the foot

Who really cares? The Core buyers are probably casual gamers. Not every new game will require a HD. Just the larger ones that probably can't fit on a DVD. Casual gamers play occasionally. They don't buy 30+ hour games, which will probably be the ones using HD anyway.

When games are coded they can detect for HDD.

If HDD is detected it will be used for streaming. If HDD is not present streaming will not be used.

All games will always be compatible with core just load times will be slower. Because of no streaming from hard drive.

The only games that would possibly be affected are online only games bc hard drive is neede for XBOX Live.

I cant believe some peoples defense to this.

1.Who really cares? The Core buyers are probably casual gamers. Not every new game will require a HD. Just the larger ones that probably can't fit on a DVD. -Element X

2.If HDD is detected it will be used for streaming. If HDD is not present straming will not be used.
All games will always be compatible with core just load times will be slower and. Because of no streaming from hard drive.
The only games that would possibly be affected are online only games bc hard drive is neede for XBOX Live. -Bloodmask

3.If it wasn't for xbox ps3 might have never even had a harddrive. I never met anyone on xbox-live or in person that didn't have a harddrive on their xbox 360 -ASSASSYN 36o

4.However the Core does only account for less then 20% of people, and if they just dropped the 20 gig HD down to like 40 bucks and dropped the 120 gig then their prob wouldn't be that big of a thing. -Odion

Keep telling yourselves that.

well duh, who didnt see this one coming.

Who is this XF site?

Like having to pay for repairs wasn't enough, now those poor souls need to buy a harddrive to play.

I think you have the definition of "push back" wrong. If you look at dictionary.com, the definition is, "cause to move back by force or influence". So it actually means that M$ will use it's considerable influence to "strongly encourage developers to come with an alternative (non HDD requiring) solution". It does not simply mean "No".

This would truely let 360 games expand their capabilities for sure. Imagine the sequels to 360 exclusives if they utilize the hard drive? they shall be really glorious. Also to all the people who bought a core and never had expected the use of a hard drive are blind in my opinion. The core is more of a version you buy with knowing you'll NEED more components later, keeping that in mind. It's a version that you SHOULD know that you WILL NEED TO upgrade. I just waited till I could get the premium. All in all I think this is a great move, this will lead to some amazing things for the 360's games!

P.S. = I honestly have got to say Sony messed up hardcore not including the HDMI cord in with the system, and Im rather thankful that my television supports HDMI as well. Cause when I first got my PS3, I didn't have the HDMI cable on day 1. I got it a week later. But that first week I had been playing through component, Resistance looked like a PS2 game... it was sad. To anyone without HD-TV's and HDMI... that are playing PS3's currently... Im so sorry for you. Fortunately for me I get to expierence the full package. Next-Gen gaming with all you need to buy now-a-days is feeling like more of a expensive burden more than entertainment also... in my opinion that is!

Im also having faith in LAIR once again... as it has been delayed to add new online like features? maybe so! but the main reason as I know (and you're a fool if you don't think this) they will be adding where you can choose to use joysticks or sixaxiss while in the air! what you think?

Good gaming to all of you!!!!!

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I have avoided the comments for so long and as soon as I start reading them agaian it's just the same old tripe.

It never fails to amaze me how many people still talk about their console 'winning'. What does this actually mean? Are you going to buy your console a little gold medal and drape it around its cables if it shifts more units than its compeitors?

We all have preferences, fair enough, but does anyone actually think that if they can somehow prove their favourite system is better (impossible no matter what console you favour) than the competition, others with different consoles will somehow start to enjoy their favourite gaming system less?

It is all so illogical, if I was Spock, my head would have exploded by now.

Ok, rant over, resume flaming whilst I go and enjoy some gaming

Wait a minute I saw an interview just a few days ago with microsoft and when asked what if Rockstar said we're making GTA for you but everyone will need an HDD to play it - and the reply was something olong the lines of - we're in control of what games are released and we wouldn't work with anyone who would alienate any of our customers. Is this just lies then M$ ????? Have M$ finally realised that they have f*$ked up this gen by going backwards when every xbox had a built in HDD - why would you take it out, oh of course to 'give the consumer choice'

didnt we know this already

Too bad now the causal gamers won't be able to buy all the games they want ;)

I called this from the start and its a shame. I never liked the idea of a HD less SKU cos of this reason. Coming next before the end of this generation "HDDVD drive required to play this game."

So this means you wont be able to play all games for the 360 if you don't have a harddrive? And if you have a HD and it gets full, do you have to delete stuff from the hardrive then? Now I'm seriously considering to buy a ps3... but got no money so can't do it :/

They have to keep changing the xbox360 because of the PS3 being more powerful. It truely is hiliarious. PS3 come out with HDMI so they make the xbox360 elite with HDMI and more GB to double the PS3. Now all these games that are being made and studios that have shifted over to disigning games for ps3 because they can go such farther, now xbox360 is going to have games where you need to buy the HD DVD spending $200 for it... so what $400+$200=$600 xbox360 has amazing online so I probly will end up buying this peice of crap HD-DVD even thoguh I dont own a HDTV but what the hell I'm all ready on my 3rd xbox360 I dont really care anymore...

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I don't mind if certain games release requiring the Hard drive. And Most gamers who own a 360 have the premium anyway. The only people upset about this are Ps3 owners. 360 owners are just fine with this if it pans out. Core owners would still get to play 99% of the 360 games. But they can always pick up a hard drive if there is a game released that requires it. If that ever happens I would assume MS would lower the price of the 20 gig hard drive. Maybe to coincide with the price cut.

Im a 360 owner and im a bit upset... I dont own a HDTV and dont have $200 to buy on a player for hd dvds I would have bought a PS3 if so... If I ever save up $200 im going to save another $50 to buy a Wii not some HD-DVD drive...

This was always one of my biggest gripes about the 360, that they chose to have one model with a HD and one without. Thus, forcing developers to program for the lowest common denominator (no HD).

It may not adversly affect my gameplay that much, but it would nice to have all units have a HD. Hopefully they eventually scrap the Core unit and redesign the console to have an included drive (like the PS3).