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Why Move Will Win The Motion Control War

After this years E3 two things have become very apparent within the game industry. One: 3D is on its way and no one is looking back, and Two: Motion Controls for better or for worse are the future of gaming. Never in the history of E3 has there been a clearer picture of the industry than there was after this years event.

Nintendo, Microsoft and Sony now all have a motion control platform of some kind. The market is about to be crowded with new software and hardware backed by three different companies with very deep pockets. So who will come out on top?

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DarkSniper5842d ago

PlayStation® Move provides the absolute best when it comes to immersive, family fun entertainment. The R&D department within Sony Computer Entertainment has done an extraordinary job in creating a device that is built with precision and innovation.

Only PlayStation®3 gives you the tools necessary tools for the future. With PlayStation® Move combined with PS3's future apprehensive devices, it's clear that the Jetsons' era has finally arrived, only through PlayStation®3.

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tplarkin75842d ago

Move is just Wiimote Plus. It's about as exciting as PS Plus.

rockleex5842d ago

I had to copy yours to get the R.

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N4g_null5842d ago

After all the power and talk about tech where are the games and the price point for massive sales?

Seriously I cannot wait for you guys to play SONY sports pack game and the boxing game.
right now you have one so called hardcore game and a few FPS....
You guys talk all this crap because on paper it is suppose to be better. Yet where are the games!

Also the Move

can not deal with really fast motions due to the cam not capturing frames fast enough.

You can only simulate the pointing effect of the wii just like the wii LOL. By using the gyros. The cam does not help you keep the cursor on screen.

The accuray of the gyro is null and void sense there is no true proximity measurement. The z depth is a hack that tries to understand the size of the ball mostly. The best way is the new z cam that uses 3 or 4 types of light to see true depth.

You guys also forget the move is the reverse of the wii mote. On top of it all the power of the PS3 is limited because of how the SDK was set up, since the machine was not designed with this idea from the beginning. As weak as the wii is it get no hit from the tracking system.

Yet really there isn't really a motion war, it's just some thing for you guys to talk about now that the official war is over and nintendo won.

hakis865841d ago (Edited 5841d ago )

One hardcore game? Killzone 3, Socom 4 and Resident Evil 5 seems like they are 3 games to me, and they are the only ones that have been announced. <--- means: there are more coming by launch =)

yes "where are the games"? Wait until Move is in stores, same goes for Kinect (which haven't showed ONE decent game IMO).

For your information, here are the MOVE(PS-cam) specs:
"PlayStation® Eye
Resolution at 60 Hz - 640x480 pixels
Resolution at 120 Hz - 320x240 pixels"

That means it can track your motions at 60 frames per second or 120 frames per second, depending on the resolution. I think it can cope with pretty rapids movement.
Features
“The latency for the Playstation Move is under one frame” – Scott Rohde, vice president of product development, SCEA.
http://www.develop-online.n...

Also I think you are mistaken about the pointing. You see, you are told to hold the controller in a certain direction, then press "calibrate". And so the gyrometer + accelerometer will know what way the wand is pointing at all times.
Same goes for depth (z) as they track how far away from the cam you are.

And from what I've ready developers say that the SDK is great and easy to implement in games that weren't even originally designed for the Move, so where do you get that it's bad from?
I seem to read article after article about that they are still improving their engines/games etc. becasue of the Cell / more free RAM on the PS3.

N4g_null5841d ago

hakis86 thanks for point that stuff out.

You do realize what the lower resolution looks like right I believe it's very close to the graphics or the atari. Now how you can precisely track some thing with that is why tiger's demo lagged, you can't. If you use more resolution then you get motion blur, i mean it's a great idea but you can't really win for loosing.

People want new games! We want some thing that says wazzup red steel two all of our games will be better than that. I did not see that and the PS3 has the power to do that right?

I'm really growing tired of sony having great ideas but gimping stuff and MS doing the same with natal, the z cam demo back in the day was flaw less. I understand they want to make it cheap but i guess they just think the wii gamers are stupid like hd gamers that keep buying broken systems. Along with broken games like MW2.

I'm not going to argue with you about this stuff. I've played with all of them and so far the wii version is the only one that is consistent and the precision is almost a gimmick since it is almost over kill for your inputs, soaking up a lot of cpu time.

I think going forward these motion controller will need a better proximity system yet gyro work but the main problem is they drift. Just wait when you have only your gyro telling the system you are pointing LOL. Luckly the low tech idea of the wii mote seeing the two ir lights automatically helps with the pointing.

It simplifies a lot. Just try itt out for your self and you'll likely to find more issues with the finished software than what we are playing around with. The move can be adapted to the PC also so you can fully test it like they did the wii mote. You just need your own drivers. Since linux is no longer on the PS3 im sure those guys have some free time now.

hakis865840d ago

The resolution - how does that matter? And why do you cmpare it to Atari?
YES, the cam is used in some games where you can see yourself (partygames, singstar etc), but in games like SOCOM4 and Killzone 3 it is only used to track your movements.
Although I do agree it would have been nice with a 720p cam (wonder how much bandwidth that would require though).

As for Tiger I saw the lag, but I'm hoping it's just cause it's not FINISHED..so yet again.. let's see how it works this fall =)

I'll be looking forwatd to testing out the MOVE controllers though. I find it hard to believe that it lags so badly when I've read great things on other sites, but time will tell!

Move on PC/Linux on PS3 does not appeal to me =)

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sikbeta5842d ago

"Why Move Will Win The Motion Control War"

Coca-Cola....

Sheikh Yerbouti5842d ago

I almost forgot about Coca-Cola...that'd be huge. Better than that other singer Justin whose last name doesn't rhyme with member rake.

doG_beLIEfs5842d ago

Exactly, the Wii motion plus can....

detect where you are in 3D space
it does not lose its where it is at if you point it too far away from the TV
it can do augmented reality
it is WIRELESS
it has the power of the PS3 behind every game, not just for graphics but for physics, accuracy etc.
it has no lag
it is so precise that you can draw with it and have variation in the brush strokes
it can head track without a basement modification
it is 1 to 1

oh wait.....IT CANNOT DO ANY OF THOSE THINGS

acky15842d ago

Move aint gonna win any "Motion Control war" due to the fact that there isnt one...and how do you measure who won anyway? Sales?... boring. Who cares?

All I know is Move looks good, but maybe still not good enough for me to buy, only due to the fact that if I really wanted motion control I would have bought a Wii ages ago.

p.s. Kinect is a joke for anyone on this website... i.e. gamers.

rumplstilts5842d ago

Wii motion plus can
Who the hell is plays 30 feet away from the tv?
So can my webcam. It isn't anything special.
So is Wiimote.
You have one there.
Only games with shitty programming have lag.
What good this precision will be? Wait and see.
The only reason for headtracking would be to shift your perspective in a game (loo around corners) But that would quickly become a pain in the ass. And also http://www.youtube.com/watc...
Wii motion plus is 1-1

So it can do most of those and the ones it can't do (except ps3's processing POWAH) are pretty much useless.

lil boy blue5842d ago (Edited 5842d ago )

head tracking
hears the link http://www.youtube.com/watc...
no wires buy nyko controllers
the rest I dont know about that

wii will probably win the console war because I see only 2 years left in the console war. ps3 has to sell 20 million unit 2 catch up and that's if wii sales come to a complete stand still. if not no real way good luck on 2nd place.

yippiechicken5842d ago

That was a very good infomercial. I think I will buy one now.

:)

Shnazzyone5842d ago (Edited 5842d ago )

are you paid to post sony advertizing quotes on here... because i've deeply suspected many users of that but not as much as I suspect you.

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darkcharizard5842d ago

it just looked like a blog at first sight. sorry :)

ER-AM5842d ago

You should have gone with your first instinct: It's a blog.

Silver3605842d ago

when it is at least 71 million units behind the wii mote. There is no war. Nintendo has already won this generation in consoles and motion controllers. All MS and Sony can hope to do is perfect their motion controls, so that they are there day one with the next generation systems.

Zir05842d ago (Edited 5842d ago )

Article didnt say much about why Move would win just what it does.

IMO I think its the one most likely to fail, without any casual games it won't expand the ps3 audience and considering 90% of the Move games can be played better with an ordinary controller who would waste $130 for a worst experience.

Move needs games which can only be played with Move like what MS has done with Kinect.

@Eddy Raja
Sony should have demonstrated that at E3, thats the kind of game they should focus on not games like Killzone 3 or Socom.

@Some_One_Plays
I don't, but I doubt games which were designed specially for a controller then had motion tacked on are gonna be better with motion control.

Time_Is_On_My_Side5842d ago

How do you know that the Move isn't as good if not better than the original controller, if not released yet?

jneul5842d ago

thanks for the bias but kinect is just like eyetoy , but with 3d tech, i think anyone with any knowledge on hardware knows that ps move is the most precise motion controller to date with augmented reality and kinect dissapoints as ms hyped it beyond it's abilities... sorry

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sinclaircrown5842d ago

Move has no casual games? Why don't you give them time to make some?

Move = Motion controls that will be able to be used with hardcore games, as well as casual.

Wii = Already cornered the casual market so they have nothing else to worry about this gen.

Kinect = Has potential, if they can eventually make it work and with good games, then it might be worth a buy.

Gene5842d ago (Edited 5842d ago )

i think move is going to do really well cause it has games you know games? The most important thing to have your reasons are weak.

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SonyNGP5842d ago

Are they fucking kidding me?!

raztad5842d ago

no necessarily. Watch Echocrome 2 video posted by Eddy Raja above.

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai60d ago (Edited 60d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio59d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing59d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster9259d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit59d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing59d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster9259d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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(For Southeast Asia) New Price Changes for PS5, PS5 Pro, and PlayStation Portal remote player

For Southeast Asia, new price changes.

Prices effective starting May 1st, 2026.

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BeHunted62d ago

Looks like PlayStation took a hit with Marathon and is now quietly adjusting prices worldwide to recover the losses

andy8562d ago

Lets be honest raising prices doesn't do that when no one's buying it. I imagine the profit it greater selling 10 times more at a lower price

Pergele61d ago

Whatever you say buddy, let's all wear the tinfoil hats.

IceKoldKilla61d ago (Edited 61d ago )

LMFAO Your comment alone says a lot more about you than anything else. When has one game not selling 10 million copies made a company raise the prices of their console? Then Xbox would be costing $5000 by now lol. You remind of the crazy drug addicts on the street rambling on about conspiracies. xD You sure you don't need a hug, buddy?

ChunkyMonk61d ago

One game that Sony payed $200 million for. lol
Also, you sure were quick to get triggered. Maybe your the one who needs a hug?

Eonjay61d ago

If nothing else, we should be united against the real issue here. AI and unnecessary tariffs that are effecting all gamers.

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Athlon10162d ago (Edited 62d ago )

The price increases are due to the RAM demand associated with AI and the US-Iran war. You can look to any business news website and local news to see that. Heck, even the 2026 Asus Zenbook Duo I've been eyeing has faced delays and has had a price increase of $400; that laptop has two specs. Asus is doing a staggered release with per-orders for the lower spec now and shipping in May and pre-orders for the higher spec that I'm eyeing starting in June. Basically, all computer manufactures are affected. It'll most likely start affecting smart phones too if it hasn't already. I can't remember the last time any major console maker (Nintendo, Sony, Sega, etc) increased the price of their console mid cycle outside of Microsoft just to make more profit.

S2Killinit61d ago

Its not the war. Its the RAM issue.

jznrpg61d ago

War is causing gas prices to rise. Transport of everything requires gas so the prices of those items go up as well. So it does have an impact

Athlon10161d ago (Edited 61d ago )

The blockage of the Straight of Hormuz due to the US-Iran war has affected raw components used in semi-conductor manufacturing such as bromine, aluminum, and helium. Iran had attacked the liquified natural gas (LNG) plant in Qatar which is a large producer (1/3 globally) of helium which is used in semiconductor etching. So it's the both the war and the RAM crises.

badz14962d ago

Oh no...should I get the Pro now before the price increase?

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay61d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn262d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers62d ago (Edited 62d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn261d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown62d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos62d ago (Edited 62d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay61d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay61d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac61d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger62d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300062d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde62d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood62d ago (Edited 62d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde61d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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