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Swinnich says: "Microsoft has been hyping their solution to the Nintendo’s runaway success since E3 2009, but it seems to have lost some of what made it look appealing in the year between then and E3 2010. If the house that Gates built is comfortable with putting out an Eye Toy 2.0, then all the more power to them, but that will ultimately leave consumers disappointed."

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HolyOrangeCows5789d ago (Edited 5789d ago )

"Those “experiences” also had it together upon their reveal. Their “scope” was fully-realized and promises delivered upon"
Exactly.

And I think was a poor decision of MS to not have ANYTHING for its current userbase with Kinect (I'm sure I'm not the only one who has doubts about MS being able to get Halo/COD/Madden players to dance, exercise, or play NintenTigers). Sony will have a lot of its current userbase to buy games like SOCOM, LOTR, etc plus who it expands with. Microsoft for the most part will mostly just have who it expands with.

evrfighter5789d ago (Edited 5789d ago )

like the article name actually. nicely done.

Me I'm definitely buying something motion control. As of this moment its the wii for zelda and DK unless Sony and M$ fix the lag.

Nathaniel_Drake5789d ago

What lag for Sony, those were the games not Sony. The developers have to fix that. Sorcery proves that.

Bigpappy5789d ago (Edited 5789d ago )

It was not major, but there was lag. Go look again.

On topic. MS will be showing more at erope and japan's shows before release. This article is based mostly on speculation and rumors. M$, and at least one developer, said people can sit and use Kinect depending on the game. They also said that they can do more than 2 players.

HighTreason5789d ago

Microsoft 'says' a lot of things Bigpappy, not all of it always actually ends up being true.

Rainstorm815789d ago (Edited 5789d ago )

i guess it depends on what dev, because other devs said ms approached them saying they want the games designed for people to get off the couch. they said get off the couch at least 4 times in thier presser,

anything saying you can use it sitting is damage control after the E3 fallout.

http://www.xugogaming.com/a...

http://kotaku.com/5565777/x...

Biggest5789d ago

Hey, Bigpappy. Remember the ol' battle cry from May 2010? "Just wait for E3!" they used to say. How long do you suggest people wait for any indication of serious games and functionality for Kinect? Microsoft doesn't really go out of their way for the Japanese show. So you may be wrong about that one.

IHateYouFanboys5789d ago

@Raiinstorm81:

wanting games to be designed to be played while standing is COMPLETELY different to Kinect not being able to be used unless standing.

Kinect is aiming to get people moving around, hence wanting devs to make people do that - move around. in the hurdle game they showed, how do you suggest someone runs on the spot and then jumps the hurdles when theyre sitting down? they cant. but for games/things that just require your arms, like menu navigation etc, sitting down is fine.

and again, many microsoft employees have confirmed time and time again that you can use it while sitting down - so any sony fanboy saying otherwise is doing 'damage control'.

Rainstorm815788d ago (Edited 5788d ago )

i provided you with links, do you mind doing the same because the guys over at kotaku spoke with quite a few devs including Turn 10 who said you cant sit.

"I liked telling the Xbox 360 to pause a movie. I liked extending my hand and dragging the movie's progress bar left or right, as if I was using the Star Wars Force to fast forward and rewind. But, I asked the Microsoft people running the demo, could I drag a chair over and try this sitting down?

No.

"Sitting is something we're still calibrating for," one of them told me."

As a Gamer who owns a PS3 and 360 i have no need for damage control......As a consumer i have every reason to question if a product is worth my purchase.

IHateYouFanboys5788d ago (Edited 5788d ago )

http://twitter.com/aarongre...

Aaron Greenburg: "Yes you can sit or stand with Kinect, depends on the game or experience."

read what i said. i said that obviously a game that you have to play standing up - like bowling/tennis/running etc - would require you to stand. thats obvious. you cant play a game that requires the PSEye without a PSEye, can you? no. so why could you play a game that requires you to stand up without actually standing up?

but for things that DONT require you to stand up, you can sit down and use Kinect. give me 1 reason why Kinect would need you to stand up to navigate a menu using only your voice and hands? please, tell me why you would need to stand up for that. you dont need a PSEye to play a game that doesnt use the PSEeye, so why would you need to stand up to play a game that doesnt require you to stand up?

also, theres this video:

http://www.computerandvideo...

where he specifically says that it works while sitting down.

if thats not enough, theres this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

that shows people sitting down on lounges using Kinect to make video calls and control menus.

finally, heres Microsoft coming out in direct response to people like you saying you cant use Kinect while sitting down:

http://au.xbox360.ign.com/a...

"In response to that article, Microsoft representatives reached out to IGN to clarify, saying we definitely will be able to sit while using Kinect. Representatives said they want to provide a comfortable, enjoyable experience for users and understand that people don't want to watch a movie standing up. "

that enough for you? or do you still want to take some random sites and fanboys rumours as the truth?

Rainstorm815788d ago (Edited 5788d ago )

MS could tell you if you eat lead you will shyt gold will you believe it? i mean they are trying to sell a product here.

kotaku & ign & gametrailers are fanboy sites? i never knew..

But do you honestly expect MS themselves to come out and say oh yea and you cant sit, i didnt respond to your examples because of course you need to stand to play Kinect adventures, but to rewind and fast forward movies???

Your links prove MY point, in the first video he never said u can sit and didnt sit while doing any of the demonstrations yet he was not playing a game at all.....Yes MS said you can use VOICE on Kinect while sitting but as for motion "Sitting is something we're still calibrating for," In the video with the video chat not one person used kinect's motion control.

and in your own ign AU link..

"That's good to hear, but since we've only been able to use Kinect standing up so far it looks like Microsoft is still working on making it usable in the sitting position."

Fact of the matter is anyone with hands on experience has said you cant sit and yes you may be able to by the time it launches but as of right now. it remains to be seen.

So unless you can pull a video out of thin air showing someone playing forza while sitting........ im inclined to believe it when i see it. Kinect is cool for what it does well, as a game control device, unless casual party or work out games are your style so far Kinect leaves much to be desired for, from a core gamers perspective.

You hate fanboys yet you got a huge sample of MS Kool Aid over there.

IHateYouFanboys5788d ago

@Raiinstorm81:

lol

basically you just choose to disregard every OFFICIAL confirmation that you can use Kinect while sitting down, purely because you think that Microsft will blatantly lie about a product that in 5 months time we'll all have our hands on? epic lolz.

you wanted links, i showed you links. i showed you one video confirmation by a MS employee saying you can sit down. i showed you one text confirmation by MS that you can sit down while using kinect. i even showed you a VIDEO of people using Kinect WHILE SITTING DOWN!!!

yet you STILL say that you cant use kinect while sitting down?!?!

and yes, in the first video he clearly says 'and you can do all this while sitting down too'. in the video with the people on the couch one of them CLEARLY moves their arm up to control the menus, bringing up a news video while theyre in the chat.

deny all you want, youre the one whos making yourself look like an idiot and a fanboy.

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ryhanon5789d ago

Yeah, I think you're right.

However, MS may benefit from existing users that pick up Kinect, not for themselves, but for somebody else - girlfriends, younger siblings, children, etc... Speaking from personal experience, my ex-girlfriend never got into the 360 or PS3 but always really wanted me to pick up a Wii. Were we still seeing one another, I'd consider Kinect or Move (probably Move, given the marginally more "hardcore" leaning titles) before I'd consider the Wii.

HighTreason5789d ago (Edited 5789d ago )

Exactly, Move will sell to both hardcore and casuals. Might even sell more to the hardcore I think

Mista T5789d ago

Kinect has yet to be released so I'll make my assumption then I guess. but I really don't see games I'm interested in.

Edit: did someone really report Ron for trolling? man what a funny guy, I've read several articles today and I was surprised to see him, but he got marked for trolling two or three times. I don't know what that means, a really long suspension or (gasp) a ban. oh well, he really made me laugh today. we need more guys like him on this site. but if that was his last comment R.I.P man

Parapraxis5789d ago

I don't think the mods ban people for trolling, but if you are "offensive" like I was towards religion, you can very well end up with a 2 day ban.
=)

Mista T5789d ago (Edited 5789d ago )

it's ridiculous man, seeing all these people getting marked for trolling or being offensive or getting marked for spam even though it wasn't.

it's the internet, freedom of speech should rule. who cares if you disagree with someone, it's not like if you disagree with someone in real life you can mark them for trolling or being offensive and delete them.

JoelR5789d ago

true but you could punch them in the face.... which tends to breed a certain level of respect.
Also Forums are not public spaces and thus are exempt from "freedom of speech" rights

LeonSKennedy4Life5789d ago

Microsoft will release a motion controller soon after.

They'll have to.

gamingisnotacrime5789d ago (Edited 5789d ago )

Gears, Halo, ME, Fable, great games. So far for kinect i dont see something in the line of the games i like hence why i have zero interest in getting it. At least with move i see HR, Soccom 4, LBP 2, KZ3 and those are huge games acros different genres. lets wait and see

LeonSKennedy4Life5789d ago (Edited 5789d ago )

Exactly!

If Lionhead shows Black & White 3 with Kinect support though...

I'm in.

As it stands, 360 gamers will have to live with good titles without motion controls.

Edit: Pardon me...but did I say something wrong? I'm trying to be a gamer here. :(

evrfighter5789d ago

I don't like agreeing with Leon but even with lag I'll have to buy Kinect if Lionhead announces Black & White 3 w/Kinect support.

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio3d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing3d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster923d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit3d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing3d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster923d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay5d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn26d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn25d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown5d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay5d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay5d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac5d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger6d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster30006d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde6d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde5d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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'The big things that we're thinking about'

In an exclusive interview with Game File, new(ish) Xbox boss Asha Sharma and Xbox chief content officer Matt Booty explain their vision for Microsoft’s gaming division

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Agent757d ago

A good start would be to release games to go with the console. My Xbox Series X has gathered dust virtually from launch. My advice would be to ditch a next console and release games on PC, PlayStation and Switch. Another idea would be a hybrid console based on Xbox Series X tech and go the same route as Nintendo. Another idea would be to pull out of gaming altogether. Plenty of options there.

Reaper22_4d ago

Why would they pull out? They have the momentum. Sony has been getting nothing but bad news lately.