dont worry hes just blind he doesnt care that Super Mario Galaxy moved 8.84 million software or that Super Smash Bros Brawl sold 9.48million or that Mario Cart wii sold 22.5million which is one of their best selling games

Everytime I look at software sales, I see a Wii title among the top 10. The fact is Nintendo has multiple franchises that hold as much consumer interest as Halo. They don’t have the hardcore appeal to sell ungodly millions in a few short months, but over time they are just as successful because they appeal to a broader base of gamers.

Thanks above for sales numbers.

Yeah but Zelda is not Mario twlight princess sold good cause it was bundled my bat ok anything that's not Mario or isn't bundled is not going to sell as much there we go. Seriously nitendo games suck don't care about sales dam Mario cart sold that much there no end to nitendo that's for sure.

'Hardcore games' is just a matter of opinion, it doesn't mean anything. A game is a game. You can classify games into genres - Rpgs,Fps,TPS,etc - but what is a hardcore game? It doesn't exist, it is a term only used in this generation that means very little because it has little meaning and is used by people on the internet to make themselves feel cool.

Name a hardcore game...

"'Hardcore games' is just a matter of opinion, it doesn't mean anything. A game is a game. You can classify games into genres"

Exactly. 110% agree. Games are games. Nobody can tell another person what they feel is hardcore. I play mario platfromers more than anything yet im sure many people on here with the "hardcore" attitude dont.

Tell me a kid that plays animal crossing all day everyday or harvest moon all day everyday...is that person considered "hardcore"...because that person sure does play those kinds of games alot. Doesnt seem too casual to me.

And i doubt nintendo would keep making a franchise if it never sold.

exactly what advancements are you going on about ?
inovation means to do something new or original not keep repeating the same formula over and over and over and over again.

i wonder what next year nintendo will announce Mario or Zelda or Metroid ect wow cannot wait for another follow up, i hope when i get to 80 years of age there is another Mario or Zelda released. /s

Hey how many halo games have there been after 2generations...how many wartime FPS's >>? How many call of Cuty games or guitar hero or final fantasy games have there been?? Here i will show you -

Call of Duty
Call of Duty: Finest Hour
Call of Duty: United Offensive
Call of Duty 2
Call of Duty 2: Big Red One
Call of Duty 3
Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
Call of Duty: World at War
Call of Duty: World at War: Final Fronts
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2
Call of Duty: Black Ops

Over 2 generations >>> How many will they have after THIRTY years

Talk about a REPEATING FORMULA. At least a mario game completely changes its gameplay in each big release (however "sunshine" was boarder-line though). When though history on other generations have you seen mario gravity jumping in space >> ?

Is Blacksand's comment perfect? No. Is yours? No. Don't be a hypocrite. It's not as if your little post is void of grammatical mistakes, because it isn't. I'd find a shorter horse if I were you.

Edit: Even your second post has them. Really, you are the last person who should be pointing out minute errors on the internet.

you are clearly a fanboy, no doubt, but atleast you spout truth like what you said earlier about wii selling more with half of PS2 install base. However, the N4G group will ignore you because you do come off as fanboyish. With good reason though, Cause the Wii is sorely underrated on this site.
Sony Fanboys just spout bullcrap with no proof to back it. The most reasonable fanboys are the Nintendo and Microsoft ones, because they use facts not opinion to argue a point.
Who here actually believes for a minute that gaming can go on still be this big or bigger if Nintendo quits completely and they franchises die with them? That just wouldn't work. Everyone else thinks Graphics and Hardware more than they do innovation. Nintendo could have just did 3D and stopped with 3DS, but they added motion sensing, that cool new bark mode feature, and other stuff.
I ask you all what changed other than graphics from PS1 to PS3 (minus move that they just now doing cause of Wii) Xbox to 360? Okay now watch this:

Sega Master System to Dreamcast?
NES to Wii?

Its a reason we reached a dark age in gaming when Sega died. Sega was the only other company other than Nintendo to shake things up, and since they're gone, its now Nintendo's job. So all you supposed hardcore games don't know what you're talking about. I bet half of you think Halo is the hardest shooter ever. LOL

Try Ikaruga, Castle of Shikigami, Contra Rebirth, and Sin and Punishment. Wii gets a bad rep, but I wish there was a way to play cross consoles, cause I bet Hardcore Wii gamers can beat other Hardcore gamers,because it always happens that way when I see it.

I could go on about Why the Wii is so successful and why the other motion controls will flop, but I know half of you won't read it, and some Sony head is just going to pick apart my post "claiming" they proved me wrong or "pwned" me

@Brawler
Out of curiosity, what did Sega do that was so innovative in terms of the evolution of their consoles? What has made them so different. The way you're arguing the Wii, couldn't you say the same about Sony? Wasn't it Nintendo that shot down disc media and wanted to stick with cartridges forever? Even Microsoft pushed the limits of online gaming and showed that it could be very lucrative on a console. I think MS, Sony, and Nintendo have all innovated and brought the console world to where it is today.

If you talk of shooters being hardcore and are a true fan, forget consoles. I was never a fan of it. From the dead zone on a controller, to the lack of precision and dumbed down speed, it's superior on PC. Go take your Wii-mote or controller and play someone on a mouse and keyboard--you'll get slaughtered.

Having sold 70 million so far is truly impressive and Nintendo did sell a stupid amount of games (on some of their titles) with half the install base of the PS2. However, you're point will be less valid if, as the sales of the Wii increase, there isn't a proportional increase in the sales of their games. There is one thing people fail to realize: the sales of software is NOT directly proportional to the number of consoles on the market. It is not realistic to assume that Mario Kart Wii would have sold 40 million if the Wii had double its current install base.

Consoles sold doesn't mean a better console, tho. The Wii's initial success had more to do with an attractive price point when compared to its competitors and its "kid factor". Either way, they have definitely gained a following and will be around for a long time. Nintendo is here to stay.

I wasn't ever a Sega fan (The only console I own of theirs is the Dreamcast, and I didn't get it until well after it died) but I can now acknowledge what they did for the industry. While it was a failure, they had a CD-based addon on the Genesis well before Sony proposed the same thing for the SNES. So Sony was NOT the first one to use CDs in a console, nor were they first to use it as the primary format on their console (3DO, CD-i). But they were the first to use it successfully. If you think about it, it's no wonder Nintendo turned down their addon - Sega, Phillips, and 3DO all failed with their CDs.

Dreamcast was an important console because it was the first to have online connectivity. And Sega as a whole was important because they were the first major competitor for consoles - Nintendo had already crushed Atari.

I cant even figure out who he is replying to.