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Microsoft Responds To 360 Red Dot Claims

NowGamer: Microsoft has responded to claims that the latest iteration of the Xbox 360 is prone to overheating, resulting in the so-called 'red dot of death'...

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Hellsvacancy5821d ago

"Today we are confident we are shipping a high quality product"

Oh so MS knew it wasnt a high quality product b4, so y did all the fanboys say it was

Shadow Flare5821d ago

cos they converse like this, "baa baa baa"

Dude4205821d ago

What's funny is that there are no reports of massive failure yet, but when one video is shown you all act like flies (fanboys) on a pile of crap (articles).

sikbeta5821d ago

Wait, that's the way you handle this... saying something like that doesn't FIX the current problems...

OSU_Gamer5821d ago

@sikbeta

You are assuming that there is a current problem...and that's based on 2 articles posted on N4G.

GWAVE5821d ago

Microsoft was confident they were shipping a "high-quality product" when they launched the original 360.

In other words, they are fully aware they're slapping a new case on the same ol' crappy hardware.

-Alpha5821d ago (Edited 5821d ago )

It's like you guys LIKE seeing MS fail.

Youtube videos= accurate representation of how the 360S is doing?

Come on guys, use some common sense. An N4G article shows a random Youtube video of a 360S failing and you guys act as if this means RRoD has returned bigger and badder than ever. It's like finding a fly in your soup and assuming all soups have flies in them, or are likely to have flies in them.

NO console in the history of gaming was NOT prone to some form of failure. And to expect MS to have made some perfect console is asinine. You guys act as if overheating should have been non-existent. We have very limited information as to if this is widespread, if it's a problem with design, etc. yet you all gladly jump the ship.

I'm not saying that you are WRONG, just saying that you guys are way too quick to judge when you have such little information available. A healthy dose of skepticism and patience isn't a bad thing to have.

sikbeta5821d ago

@OSU_Gamer

You are Right, it is premature to talk about a general problem, we need to establish a time period in which we can see if this "problems" are frequent or just isolated...

OSU_Gamer5821d ago

You also have to think about how hated the 360 is on this website.
Any problem or even potential problem is amplified by 1000 here.

Legosz5821d ago

I agree alphamale, however the other PS3 fanboys don't as you can see you already have 7 disagrees. I myself only have a PS3 but I am not going to praise it and bash the 360, especially after these reports of random youtube videos. Like seriously, just goes to show how fucking stupid some users are.

Dee_915821d ago

that fixed the problem..

Dee_915821d ago (Edited 5821d ago )

if i bought a $300 game system id expect no problems from it within the first months .
i dont bash the 360
but im not gonna praise a system that died on more that 40% of its buyers(including me) srry but thats how I see it

I mean my ps3 fat stop playing blu rays right after my warranty was up im just as pissed at that as i am at my xbox keep on freezing

I know all systems have faults but when one is KNOWN for it of course its gonna get more attention

Biggest5821d ago

If the 360S was on the market for a few months I would not be very worried about a few isolated cases. Unless the YouTube guys were breaking their systems on purpose, there might be a problem on the horizon.

Lawliet5821d ago (Edited 5821d ago )

Some of you here might want to read the article first before commenting like you know what it is about. How could any of you here trying to defend something which Microsoft admittedly said the brick is prone to happen is beyond me..

So the E3 free Xbox360 were just gifts for genie pig's test? No.. Microsoft you didn't...

cmrbe5821d ago

In a way you have shed light on one of my main issue with x360 fans. As soon as people bring up PROD they imidiately go on the offensive and attack those that are critical.They make up all sorts of excuses for MS that sometimes i wonder if they actually do work for MS.

In a way they want to cover up MS faults and thats is a huge issue with me.

No one can argue that the x360 is a piece of sh1t hardware wise and yet x360 fans just like it take it because they love MS.

If the PS3 had half the x360 failure rate. PS fans would have taken Sony to court a thousand times over and would have forced Sony to fix the actual problem like was the case last gen with the PS2.

Heck, Sony is being sued over the removal of the OS feature which most people don't use and i am all for those that are suing Sony.

Gamers weather they are PS3 or x360 or wii gamers must understand that they are they reason why the console gaming industry exist. Don't take crap. Especailly unjustifiable crap like PROD or removing features you already paid for.

AAACE55821d ago

The thing I don't get is, it's like people want the console to fail! They wish the Xbox brand never existed! I don't understand why people hate it so much. It's not like they are forcing you to buy it. You are free to make your own choices. If you don't like it... don't even think about it and it won't bother you! Stuff i'm not interested in, I look right past it like it doesn't exist.

OSU_Gamer5821d ago (Edited 5821d ago )

No one expects you to praise MS for the shitty failure rate of the old 360's. At the same time, don't start bashing the new 360 becuase 2 N4G!?!?! articles talk about their console failing.

@AAACE

That's what fanboys do. I have both a 360 and a PS3, and I like them both, but I am constantly defending the 360 from fanboys who's only goal is to hate the 360.

Dee_915821d ago

@OSU gamer i didnt say praise the failure rate.. anywho
i was at gamestop the other day asking the chick that work there about the new xbox and she say some of the same things the 2 articles on n4g is saying..( overheating and freezing etc) so just because there are only 2 articles about it on n4g dont mean it only happened to 2 people

and generalizing anybody that say anything negative about the 360 as a ps3fanboy makes you a xboxfanboy
if somebody say something negative about ps3 or xbox ( besides little things like the way it "looks"etc) i wouldnt consider them a fanboy

in this case this is a pretty major issue because people thought it would be fixed

SPARTANVI5820d ago

How can you post from that bubble bath? ;)

Anyhow, I agree. And for the hell of it, I'm giving you even MORE bubbles.

Whitefox7895820d ago (Edited 5820d ago )

I can only think of the negatively towards Microsoft is because of anyone who was an early adopter of the PS3 or even a Wii console would get persecuted for it saying well you probably know....

I remember in high school in the year 07 I told someone I knew I had a 60 gb PS3 after saying the obvious he made an interesting comment saying about why would I need 60 gb of data for a console. You can probably already assume what I'm thinking right now :D.

BTW nice amount of bubbles man.

kunit22c5820d ago

I keep my PS3 on 24-7, just add me and you'll see
Sono421
and I have not had a SINGLE problem with my PS3, but if I did this with a 360 it would be dead in like a week, now if your wondering why I keep it on its because I have my mic charge while I sleep and I just don't turn it off. Well actually I do turn it off when I move it from place to place but thats it, and maybe if someone else turns it off for some reason.

cool cole5820d ago

You're right, if I found a fly in my soup, it wouldn't be fair to think all the soups have flies in them, but it is fair to not trust that restaurant anymore. Catch my drift?

kunit22c5820d ago

how can someone disagree with my story? Its what I do...

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deafwing5821d ago (Edited 5821d ago )

What about yesterday, or the day before, or the day of your E3 Conference when you handed it out to several lucky individuals?

Arnon5821d ago

I always wonder if you guys are just trying to find some form of issue. When they say 'today', they don't mean literally on June 24th 2010. They're talking about since the console launched.

Menech5821d ago (Edited 5821d ago )

I find it funny how the PS3 fanboy elite are the first commenting in a 360 thread that doesn't concern them what so ever...

First off there have been 2 reports of 360's breaking, that's right a massive 2!!!! there are currently about lets say a million of them released?

Do you honestly believe in the first week of release of the PS3 not a single console broke for any number of reasons ill use accidental damage or terrible shipping?

If you believe that a few PS3's didn't break in the first week your quite possibly the biggest moron on the planet.

The new 360 is a total redesign the chances of it suffering from the same problem as the old 360 is low to say the least.

I can personally bet my life that the 2 360's that died in the reports weren't down to the RRoD. Do you honestly believe they could of wrapped the motherboard that much through heat in such a short space of time?

The RRoD is a problem caused over time anyone with an IQ above 4 can tell you that. It's caused by the motherboard wrapping little by little.

Clearly 2 new 360's have died but if anyone seriously believes it's down to the RRoD (or red dot) then your quite possibly earths biggest moron.

Misterhbk5821d ago

there are obviously more than 2 reports. Do you REALLY think microsoft would respond if it was simply 2 reports? Do you think everyone who has an issue rushes online to post a youtube video about it? No, they either run to the video game store or run to the phone to call MS.

Prototype5821d ago

It was the same garbage back in 2006-2008 with all the PS3 hate articles; now its 2010 and the 360 fanbase acts like the PS3 fanbase is full of hate - last time I checked it was the 360 who started all this nonsense first.

OT

If MS is "confident" they sent a good system then why wait till now to say something and not when it was first introduced - sounds like damage control to me.

edgeofblade5821d ago (Edited 5821d ago )

Here's what scares... and worries me:

I honestly believe there are PS3 fans out there that are so hardcore that they will go out and buy a 360... perhaps thinking that this is a great chance to finally adopt 360... but the idea creeps into their mind that they can stress test their 360 and see if it fails.

It's a win-win for them. The 360 fails: they get their 15 seconds of internet fame and a free replacement from Microsoft. The 360 doesn't fail: they have a 360.

@Prototype, above: So, an eye for an eye, and everyone's blind. Considering the tone of this console war, "everyone blind" sounds exactly the way it is.

jerethdagryphon5821d ago

the actaul fault behind the rrod is not caused over time rather it is down to the expansion contraction rates of leadless solder and the innate weakness in ball solder joints.

having seen several brand new 360s rrod out of seal boxes freash off a truck from microsoft for events.

in short the lead in solder altered the melt point

robep35821d ago

....lets see having watched videos of it dvd tray looks really CHEAP AND NASTY,they also have heat problems or they would have an internal power supply and the new easy change Hard Drive well you still have to buy what MS sells you LOL.
You will need to change the hard drive as MS wont use Blu-ray because they wont admit they got that wrong!! and they want to push digital downloads.
So lets see if they improve on the 30%+ failure rate this time?

MWong5820d ago (Edited 5820d ago )

No offense can you honestly say that. I myself have both a 360(Elite) & PS3(60Gb) console, so I'm not taking any sides ... wont get a Wii don't like the games they have. I wont be buying a 360S or PS3 Slim. I mean there have been complaints about the disc scratching. Also complaints about M$ using a tray instead of a slot. The 360S is not some total redesign, guess that wasn't part of the redesign. The PS3 Slim sure as hell wasn't a total redesign. I mean how can you call a total redesign adding a new cover and making the console a little smaller a total redesign. This article doesn't even address anything.

One more thing people were getting RRoD's within days after launch and some still have the RRoD even after sending the unit in for servicing.

I think everybody needs to just take a step back and just say that both M$ & $ony have put out crap. And nobody is beyong reproach. Just because something's new doesn't mean it wont have problems.

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R2D25821d ago

Hates MS with a passion - how some one can have some much hate towards a company is beyond me.

I wonder what N4G would look like if MS dropped out of the console bizz. PS3 vs Wii : )

sikbeta5821d ago

Pffft... like if xbox-fanboys don't hate the PS3, hell, they hate all Sony Corp Related, they didn't went to watch the 3 Spiderman Movies cos were made by Sony Picture Entertainment (SPE) and they never will, they don't like Walkmans and they Broke every CD they had when they realize Sony developed this tech with Philips...

/JK...

R2D25821d ago (Edited 5821d ago )

But on N4G the hate for MS is more evident than the hate for Sony.

GWAVE,GODMARS,HELLVENGENY,BAT HY J.DARKRIDE66, SHADOW FLARE,MORGANFELL,Ghost of Sparta,Obama,Saaking and his 10 accounts - make sure that they make it a point to troll every 360 article.

edgeofblade5821d ago (Edited 5821d ago )

@Sikbeta: I dislike Sony because of shit they pulled, like David Manning the fake movie reviewer... that's some horribly unethical crap. But when I was shopping for a TV earlier this year, I spent plenty of time in a Sony store at a mall. Ultimately, I didn't buy them, but I did my due diligence and gave them a fair shot. Unfortunately, the model I wanted was way to expensive and I could get a better model from Samsung with fewer bullshit bullet-point features.

My point is, every time I give Sony a chance to prove themselves, they or their fans do something that reminds me why I disliked them in the first place.

@Hell: "i hate MS as a company": Then, you are 100% full of bullshit to support just about any other company in the game industry, save maybe Nintendo.

darx5821d ago

the way I see it is you are not a true gamer. That's what it boils down to.

dredgewalker5821d ago

I hate MS but I don't want them to go away. Having no competition will make the gaming industry stagnant.

Biggest5821d ago

Do you not see the irony in your comment, edgeofblade? You feel that you have every right to dislike Sony, but people who dislike Microsoft are full of shit unless they hate every "gaming" company. Microsoft has been just as unethical, if not moreso, as Sony. Microsoft has stolen, monopolized, cheated, and lied to their consumers. They've been caught doing all of them and found a way to buy themselves out of the trouble. Your 3 year warranty is an example. It's fine that you dislike Sony. No skin off my back. But try not to use such a crappy reasoning.

SaberEdge5820d ago

No, you completely missed his point. His point was it's stupid to hate Microsoft if you don't also hate Sony. They are both companies that have made some mistakes. Sony is no less guilty than Microsoft is.

Personally, I don't hate either company. Both companies have put out some great products and done a lot for the world, but they have also made some errors along the way.

And don't even give me that crap about Microsoft. Half of that is made up BS, the other half is partially true, but Sony is just as guilty. The root-kit fiasco, that fake movie reviewer, stupid proprietary formats like memory stick that do nothing but hurt the industry, exploding batteries....believe me, Sony is as guilty as anybody.

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avengers19785821d ago

So because MS comes out and says this is a quaility product, and it doesn't fail, that goes under proof that everyone else is wrong. And sony fanboys are sheep... You cannot take the word of the people making or selling the product. Once again I'm not saying that the New 360/s has problems, but Never take the word of someone tring to sell you something... It's generally a good rule of thumb for buying anything.

Be Honest how many 360 owners are the ones buying the 360/S. Ima say most of them, I don't think it is attracking new consumers.

mac_sparrow5821d ago

never ask a barber if you need a haircut

iamhigh15821d ago

I think most of all 360 fanboys is blinded that's why they keep defending a product that will eventually break down on them. Microsoft will never do anything about the issue, if you guys don't complain..Lets face it the old RROD's was killing millions of 360 this past few years..Nothing is new or different about the new slim 360, the design is still the same..I bet more video is going to pop out on youtube and articles..I can't wait for more 360 fanboys to jump out like an idiot pretending in their own little world that there is nothing wrong still..lol..

na2ru15821d ago

Lets wait after a couple hundred thousand 360S or 1-2 months and let the stats do the talking.

Imalwaysright5821d ago

What are you doing? Logic and common sense are NOT allowed on N4g!!!

vhero5821d ago

They said the same about the original Xbox so nothing new really... They didn't deny the dot either..

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Dread5821d ago (Edited 5821d ago )

wow you sony fanboys simply want ms to fail period.

you hang on to this to make your case!

get a life. You, as gamers, should all hope that this system is better built. But alas, you are fanboys first and gamers second.

is it possible that we give the slim a chance before we start judging?
I know you dont want to because you are all bitter that MS has taken such a big chunk of the gaming market you had last gen. But come on, at the end, with strong competition we all win. Stop the hate, and lets enjoy gaming as we used to back in the day, without turning everything into a gamer war.

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commodore645820d ago (Edited 5820d ago )

@ nightmare.

lol... since when is the ps3 a success?
The ps3 has posted losses of $5 billion for Sony!

I find your comment quite telling.
It seems the Sony fanboys have been gnashing their teeth and frothing at the mouth in anger for SO long, that anything... anything at all anti MS MUST be shouted from the mountaintops.

It's disturbing to think that Sony fanboys think there is somehow a 'fanboy debt' that needs to be repaid with 'revenge trolling'.
For all those who belong in that category, I can advise you that you are wasting your life, in that regard.

With regard to the lack of PS3 success, we must acknowledge that Sony has desperately underpriced its hardware to try and get more marketshare, thereby accumulating this astounding $5 billion loss.
Yet, despite this strategic underpricing, it still remains in third place this generation.

I, for one, would NOT call that 'Ps3 success'.

JayD-1K5819d ago

it's funny how things change. i remember all the, POS3 comments and the pro MS and 360 articles. about how MS did it right and Sony blew it! now you have the 360 fans crying foul, and how she should all just get along.

Did that sound PS Fanboish enough?

all i really want to know is, why wasn't the PS3 given the same leeway every body is asking for the "new" 360?

pixelsword5821d ago

@ Alpha-Male22:

I do like the fly analogy, and do agree for the most part; but as having a relative and a friend that are both professional chefs, one thing I've learned from them is that if there was a fly or two found in a bowl of soup, the soup from the same pot is just as usable if the fly came from the pot... and if they were added later, even if it wasn't of the pot, it's happening because of the environment of the restaurant.

What I mean is this:

- even if these failures are low now, they may be representative of all slims down the line because they are cut from the same cloth, so to speak. So, even if you don't have a failure right now, your slim may still have the same quality of the one that failed (just like the soup: even if you don't have a fly in yours, if your bowl is from the same bowl, you still have the "taint of the fly" and your bowl is just as bad even though it is not apparent).

- that while even if these failures may have come out by a test or even "staged" to fail, these problems can still be exploited... not because the quality is bad per se, but because the overall quality from the factory isn't up to par, and the factory's lax attitude or poor work performance is to blame although the product in terms of engineering is fine (bad environment, good product in theory, but the execution of making the product is poor, so it can fail).

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blazBlue5821d ago (Edited 5821d ago )

Guess they weren't confident before.

They have no concept of how to create reliable hardware. They should give up while they still can. I'm sick of their empty promises.

I also love how 360 fanboys are saying this site is run by PS3 fanboys. Yes, just ignore what happened years ago where it was the other way around. I don't hate Microsoft entirely but their inability to make a reliable product baffles me.

And may I ask *why* would someone purposely break a console just to start some controversy? Does that make any logical sense? Please answer.

SaberEdge5820d ago

It was never the other way around, you liar. There was never a time this site was overrun with 360 fanboys the way it is now with PS3 fanboys. Not even close.

I have been coming to this site since nearly the beginning and what you are saying never happened. 360 fans have always been the minority, or at best there numbers equaled the PS3 fanboys.

blazBlue5820d ago

"It was never the other way around, you liar. There was never a time this site was overrun with 360 fanboys the way it is now with PS3 fanboys. Not even close."

So basically I imagined that 360 fanboys were saying that the PS3 had no games and it was a bluray player? That the 360 was a true console? Every time there was some doom and gloom article about the PS3 failing, almost every 360 fanboy was there to make fun of PS3 fans?

360 fanboys are just as bad as the PS3 fanboys they cry about. You reap what you sow.

Disagree as much as you want but it won't change the truth.

Pistolero5820d ago (Edited 5820d ago )

show us.... go find those articles filled with 360 fanboys flaming the ps3....i'm sure you can find some articles where a few 360 fanboys were hating on the ps3...but then again you can also find articles from when the 360 barely came out and ps3 fanboys were talking crap about it and hating on it...so it went both ways back then....but it was never like it is now with hordes of ps3 fanboys trolling nearly every 360 article....360 fans never did that.

edit- you know what?...I decided to post some links to old articles from around the time the ps3 came out and other older stories to see if what you guys always say is true...
http://n4g.com/news/15392/p...
http://n4g.com/news/177000/...
http://n4g.com/news/11825/g...
http://n4g.com/news/40808/n...
http://n4g.com/news/12904/r...
http://n4g.com/news/41357/h...
http://n4g.com/news/11830/i...

...so where in any of those articles is this massive trolling by 360 fanboys that you guys keep saying happened and justifies all the trolling you do now?
...also if you don't like the random stories I pulled up you are free to pick your own articles from back then....but i guarantee none of them will bakc up your claims that 360 fanboys once supposedly dominated this site and trolled all the ps3 articles.

JayD-1K5819d ago

here let me help you,
1. go to the search bar
2. type in PS3 fails
3. hit enter
4. just star about page 10 and just work your way to the end. it ends at 24!

just check the comments and enjoy! no PS/Sony hate going on their is it?

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DevastationEve5821d ago (Edited 5821d ago )

Articles such as these help keep the weak-minded fanboys at war.

When your console messes up within the first 30 days of buying it, take it back to Walmart/Best Buy/Amazon/etc. After that you have the manufacturer's warranty, up until 1 year on damn near 99% of electronics. These are not hand assembled machines; they are machine assembled and will always carry a defect ratio no matter what. For the sake of market saturation and meeting consumer demand EVERY ELECTRONIC IS ALWAYS A POTENTIAL FAILURE.

It's the modern industrial way of mass producing goods and services. Machines do work for us and in turn we sell ourselves/minds out as labor to corporations in order to work like machines, following charts and graphs. No emotion, all money. It's just how it is people!

Ironically, man should never have trusted any machine in the first place. Or any other "system", like counting.

MNicholas5821d ago

Microsoft said:

"This console is the culmination of years of continuous innovation in design, testing and learning."

Let's break it down. What exactly do the following mean and what's the relevance?

Continuous innovation in "Design." A black shiny console with touch sensitive buttons, extra USB ports and built in Wifi?

Continuous innovation in "Testing." Wow, they actually test them now?

Continuous innovation in "Learning." What the frick is this and what does it have to do with video games?

Bloodraid5820d ago

"We couldn't be more proud of the consoles we are building now, as well as the new Xbox 360. This console is the culmination of years of continuous innovation in design, testing and learning. Today we are confident we are shipping a high quality product."

I'm not one to be a fanboy but I am going to call this quote out on it's bullshit. There is no way they spent years innovating, testing and learning. If they had, then the issue with the disc scratching wouldn't be an issue anymore.

KaBaW5820d ago

Of course 'those' fanboys are the first ones here..
Whatta surprise. This site is so predictable and ridiculous.

X-Alchemist5820d ago

Why is everyone on this site always attacking MS for the sake of it?
It's pathetic petty behavior

Heisenberg5820d ago

That's a generic company line. All they said is they're proud of every console they've made. Whether the red dot of death thing is a real problem or just an anomaly, or fake altogether, that was in no way, a response to it, that was avoiding it altogether. Address the issue or don't respond at all, if they are of the position that it's not a real issue, than say that, but this response gives the consumer zero reassurance.

lve2playbball5820d ago

I traded in my 4 yr old original xbox (with some games) and only ended up paying $60 for the new "Xbox S"...I can't really see how it would have any overheating issues. The exhaust window helps quite a bit. It gets no warmer than my PS3 slim. I'm sure a few here and there will break (rrod or otherwise) but I think this newer style is much better. I still HATE the freaking power brick. My ps3 = no power brick. One other thing that pisses me off is that it didn't ship with an HDMI cable. I have plenty, but cmon, no hdmi cable MS?

-PINNER-5820d ago

I just want to say that I have never owned an XBOX. I'm 31 years old and their games and especially their hardware have never appealed to me. I have plenty of friends who have went through multiple 360's and a few friends who have had their PS3's brick. I have nothing against XBOX. It just doesn't appeal to me.

It's not the fact that there has only been one case of this happening thats drawing all of the attention. We may never hear of this again, time will tell. The problem is that, like it or not, the XBOX 360 has a terrible reputation for hardware malfunctions. Overheating and disc scratching to name the more prominent. And in the first week that it has been unveiled, we have seen discs scratched and a bricked system. If you cannot see why this is getting so much deserved attention, you lack an education and the ability to reason.

Raz5820d ago

Microsoft never actually denies the Red Dot...nor do they actually answer the question. Go back and look at the question and answer again - I find that verrry interesting.

sid4gamerfreak5820d ago

wow 2 articles claiming the so called "xbox 360 s rdod" and you people believe it. There r probably more than 50 articles saying otherwise but you people ignore those articles.

Like ALpha Male said, you guys are way too quick to judge with such little info. Sure, this could be a big MS fail, but this COULD be. Lets wait and see and if more articles outlining the specific conditions the 360 S was in, then we can confidently say that this is a big MS fail.

sid4gamerfreak5820d ago

to all those ppl saying MS failed with its previous consoles, history may not repeat itself, who knows?

Funny that, People WHO HAVE THE 360 S arent complaining but people who DONT have the 360 S and see a faulty utube video immediately see this as a fail.

Consoldtobots5820d ago

"The thing I don't get is, it's like people want the console to fail! They wish the Xbox brand never existed! I don't understand why people hate it so much. It's not like they are forcing you to buy it. You are free to make your own choices. If you don't like it... don't even think about it and it won't bother you! Stuff i'm not interested in, I look right past it like it doesn't exist."

I think it's called a noob coming onto a playground and picking a fight with the top dog, stupid move whichever way you cut it. The playstation brand has MANY millions of loyal followers and to come out bashing it and them at the beginning of this generation just shows how arrogant and assinine MS and it's fanboys have been. No matter who DOESN'T like it PLAYSTATION NATION is much much larger than the xbox demographic. That's why it feels like your console is hated. Next time they should focus on fairplay and good competition instead of all the shady crap they pulled this gen. Nobody likes a poor sport.

el zorro5820d ago

Sony has done as much or more shady crap as anyone. Smoke and mirrors bullsh@t trailers, ridiculous claims about their console, taking away features. The only thing Microsoft messed up on was the reliability of the console in the early days (something Sony messed up on last generation, albeit not to quit the same degree).

Also, if the playstation nation is so much larger then why aren't they buying the damn consoles? The PS3 after almost 4 years is still behind the 360 in total sales.

No, the only thing is that PS3 fanboys are more rabid and would rather spend their time evangelizing for the console they worship than actually playing games. Wii fans and 360 fans seem to be more about just enjoying the games.

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GhostOfSparta785821d ago

They could've fooled me, not... Its sad that people spend their hard earned money on faulty hardware. Loyal gamers should not keep paying for M$ mistakes.

Omega45821d ago

Gotta feel sorry for all those PS fanboys who really believe that the 360 S is faulty.

Anything to put xbox down *sigh*

Deathracer5821d ago

Shhhhh your going to wake them

8thnightvolley5821d ago (Edited 5821d ago )

hahaha nice one .. thou its too late they are already here.

Sanzee5821d ago

It's N4G, of course their here. It's a PS3 dominant website. That's neither an insult nor a compliment, it just simply is.

Deathracer5821d ago (Edited 5821d ago )

Sad but true, cant win as a PS3 fanboy either. I own a PS3 but if I don't praise everything Sony or want to buy everything they put on the market, I'm an Xbox fanboy. I guess its just the fact that I own an Xbox makes me a "Xbot", don't even have to play it and still be considered a Xbot. What the shit is that lol

EDIT: @NecrumSlavery - That may be true, I don't really have a problem with any type of fanboy. What I have a problem with is not being able to voice my opinion on something I own (PS3) without getting flagged for trolling unless I praise it. Just stupid.

NecrumSlavery5821d ago

A nonbiased new site has more gamers who love PS3 games than 360, and it's a PS3 Fanboy site. I would go as far as to say more dedicated gamers just like the PS3 better. Half of the 360 community is under 16, and most don't even know this site existed.

NecrumSlavery5821d ago (Edited 5821d ago )

I hear you man. Best way to express your views here is to do it while walking on egg shells. I lose an gain bubbles all the time. You could be Switzerland like Alphamale22, or just honest in a non offensive way. But there aren't as many trolls here anymore. So voice up. But if you talk bad about the playstation Oddworld games before Xbox ruined them, your friggin D-U-N done.

greatjimbo785821d ago

I suggest you take a look back through the comments on this page. See how they are written, then come back and tell me which console has the lower aged demographic.

HolyOrangeCows5821d ago

I'll bet Omega doesn't ask for the carfax.

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LtSkittles5821d ago

Are you kidding me? It was one guy, and we had one person claim, "oh Sony must've paid him to do that."

redDevil875821d ago (Edited 5821d ago )

Gotta feel sorry for you that you believe everything MS says. The old 360s were faulty, can you really blame people for not trusting what MS says?

@Dorwrath

Don't trust any company, i don't. Some companies are certainly more trustworthy then others, but at the end of the day they always want to make themselves look good. I take everything with a pinch of salt.

Dorwrath5821d ago

But my PS3 is a faulty piece of garbage so should I trust what Sony says. I trust neither, both are out to rake in your money.

Inside_out5821d ago (Edited 5821d ago )

M$ has hit a home run this year. Have you seen the pre-orders for the new 360 and Kinect? Nobody is even talking about the Sony Move other than it's a blatant rip off of the Wii. Wait till Nintendo posts a price for the 3Ds. Every M$ thread has PS3 guys crying about how bad they have it with Sony. Sony...we have nothing to say or play.

Keep the M$ posts coming...lol No wonder Sony is not even top 10 in pre-orders. M$ is killing them this year.

Whats wrong with Sony???...since E3, they have shut down. Other than all the damage control for Twisted metal game...nothing. Somethings wrong at Sony. Shareholders must be freaking out. 3D tv not relevant for 2-3 years. Move best games coming in 2011. LBP2, car sim, so-com?...what does Sony have coming out this year? Ported Wii games on PS3? It used to be " Only on PS3 " now's its we have them too...lol...wait for GDC I guess.

DMason5821d ago (Edited 5821d ago )

I agree with you there. Mine took a crap on me too after only 2 years. Both companies are leaving gamers behind. They're call chasing the casual crowd now.

DevastationEve5821d ago

A common fanboy mistake is to take the small sample and apply it to the whole. Microsoft took a $1 billion in losses for warranty claims having to do with red ring errors and warranty replacements, but in the end it didn't actually cost them anywhere near that. Plus there will be those bogus claims made by guys who like to abuse warranties and customer service reps.

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Neko_Mega5821d ago

Tell that to the 55% fail rate or the fact Game Info. even talk about it.

Sorry you fail.

Garnett5821d ago (Edited 5821d ago )

55% of the launch consoles, which is around 3 million. Thats not as bad as the PS2's which was way worse.

greatjimbo785821d ago (Edited 5821d ago )

The PS2 failure rate was not in anyway near that amount. You've just made yourself look foolish. Why lie?

Neko_Mega5820d ago

You do know that number is for only US right? And PS2 had problems, but you fail to point out so did Sega Dreamcast and Xbox (The 1st one).

Unlike PS2 the 360 hasn't stop RROD or as what it is called for the new 360 Red Dot Of Death.

PS2 only really had like maybe 2 years of bad systems, now if you brought it use, then that was not Sony's problem as much as it was yours.

Keep in mind even Yahoo has done a report about the 360's fail rate and if you haven't heard. Microsoft owns Yahoo now.

SaberEdge5820d ago

I agree with you, greatjimbo78, there is no reason to think the PS2 failure rate was ever nearly that high. I had two PS2s die on me, but I still don't think it was anywhere close to that.

That said, you should have corrected Neko_Mega as well, because claiming 55% of 360s failed is completely erroneous. That was based on one erroneous poll and many people have explained why it would give a skewed result. I'm not going to go into all that, but suffice to say that it's completely erroneous.

I should also point out to the PS3 fanboys that like to pull out that number that that same poll also found the PS3 to have a failure rate well outside the accepted rates of failure for an electronics device. They can't simply choose to believe part of the polls results and ignore the other parts.

More accurate numbers released by repair centers placed the failure rate around 15-30% in the early days of the console. Hardware failures then dropped off to a huge degree with later chipsets.

Neko_Mega5819d ago

Oh? Their is many sites and places that done test on how high the 360's fail rate is and it as all been over 50%.

Keep in mind, like I said Yahoo News (Which is own by Microsoft) has even posted their info about the 360's fail rate, keep in mind most of them didn't have to do with the RROD.

Another thing is you better think before saying some is a fanboy, I been threw five 360's and all do to poor hardware.

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bjornbear5821d ago

if it ever happens to you.

When I see a YLOD video, I get shivers considering it could happen to me, but then I consider the probability (which is quite high considering older consoles) and its not half as bad as that of the fat 360.

No gamer should be faced with that problem, even if the company takes care of it for free. Once it happens there's a mistrust between the consumer and the company.

As an actual owner, you should be more vocal against this crap, not try to sugar coat it.

I HATE it that my PS3 could just die because its not as stable as the PS2 / PS1, and I don't deny that it happens and its wrong, and Sony should at least do what MS does with free fixes and shippings

but fine, enjoy lala land (for now....)

garos825821d ago

mmm i can feel your rage brother, i would be pissed off too if i didnt own a ps3.

ps good call about sony shareholders, im sure you own plenty of shares with sony so sell sell sell, then you might afford a blatant ps eye rip off

The_Perverted_Ninja5821d ago

Yeah gotta feel sorry for those losers that come on here and post crap they don't even believe just in hopes of making others feel as angry inside as they are.... Which is not like you at all right?

saint_john_paul_ii5821d ago

it looks like someone forgot what the forecast looked like since from 2006-2008.

lets just say, that forecast converted to ps3 fanboys after their eyes were opened in 2009...

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WrAiTh Sp3cTr35821d ago (Edited 5821d ago )

I actually find it more pathetic someone would try to make their 360 red ring or red dot...w/e they're calling it now.

Edit: Disagrees? The spitefulness is rather tasty, lol.

8thnightvolley5821d ago (Edited 5821d ago )

they replyed a sales pitch.. loool.. gotta love these guys.. i bet they didnt even read the question.

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai32d ago (Edited 32d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio32d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing32d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster9232d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit32d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing32d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster9232d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay34d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn234d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers34d ago (Edited 34d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn234d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown34d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos34d ago (Edited 34d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay34d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay34d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac33d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger34d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300034d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde34d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood34d ago (Edited 34d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde33d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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'The big things that we're thinking about'

In an exclusive interview with Game File, new(ish) Xbox boss Asha Sharma and Xbox chief content officer Matt Booty explain their vision for Microsoft’s gaming division

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Agent7535d ago

A good start would be to release games to go with the console. My Xbox Series X has gathered dust virtually from launch. My advice would be to ditch a next console and release games on PC, PlayStation and Switch. Another idea would be a hybrid console based on Xbox Series X tech and go the same route as Nintendo. Another idea would be to pull out of gaming altogether. Plenty of options there.

Reaper22_33d ago

Why would they pull out? They have the momentum. Sony has been getting nothing but bad news lately.