So wait a minute, first they talk all that stuff about not needing a controller, and xbots hate on move for having a controller then they are going to make you use a controller...wtf
I guess they listend to sony after all.

Surely this defeats the purpose of Kinect using controllers? maybe its because Kinect only works with 2 players?

lol this defeats it's sole selling line (you are the controller) kinect is a fail

Agree if this will work.

Disagree if this will not work.

Edit: @ElPresador - Dubya may sound dumb, but he's actually a very intelligent man. You, on the other hand, could use an English course or two.

It's kinda early for Microsoft to pull the plug but that's better than pulling it too late.

Wow, people on here seem to think that all kinect games will use controllers, Come on people, they are saying that it CAN support a controller but that does not mean all games will use one.

Jesus Christ people on this sight are more retarded then George Dubya Bush.

-_-

*sips coffee

thought your body was the controller?

So much for controller-less gaming... :rolls eyes:

This defeats the purpose of what they were advertising. This is a Epic fail microsoft you touted games without a controller now you are planning to add controllers yup you failed and also contradicted yourself. Now you look stupid.

LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOO

You are the controller...

for now lol.

Okay Microsoft I give up. I have given up trying to figure out what you are trying to do . I don't know who you are trying to sell this thing to, who you are trying to compete with,why you are hiding the price if its so cost effective, what is with these strange games you are trying to push on us like boats you control by jumping and moving back and forth and cars you accelarate by pushing with your HANDS. And now your are here telling us that to play controller less gaming you are going to need a controller? Why in the hell would I play shooters or anything shifting around the room with a normal controller in my hand, when I can just USE the controller?! Microsoft tell me the truth. You people are smoking crack,right? You can tell me. I'm you friend.

Okay. Kinect is fucking retarded, guys. We all get that. But you need to stop downvoting comments just because they say something that isn't bad about Kinect. You should not vote on comments based on your opinion of the news. If N4G is going to remain a good source for news, the community needs to learn the definitions of "agree" and "disagree" and what they're supposed to be used for.

No controlled needed.

Well.. okay, we will ask developers to use kinect and controller.

So microsoft changes his mind AGAIN. They do not trust their own revolutionary hardware...

I don't know why everyone is so suprised anyway. This is just Microsoft's usual MO. They hype, tell half truths and say anything to make you purchase their products and when the real truth comes out they and ever other person who pretend not to see it start with the excuses. Microsoft didn't lie about the Kinect but told a half truth. This is why they didn't mention this little controller fact during their conference. Not only would saying 'you still need the controller' make them look stupid and contradictory, it would put them closer to what the Move and the Wii are and not exactly as new age. I agrre this doesn't sink the Kinect into utter failure just yet but it adds to the ever growing list of what the Kinect can't do.

yes a slogan , a concept almost but it didnt stop factions of the media giving NATAL tech of the year awards and whatnot. Didn't stop factions of the media saying Kinect was the tech of E3. C'mon man. You reap what you sow. MS should just get this crap out of the way from now, early in kinects lifecycle, and add a dedicated controller or forever be limited.

figured as much, but sony still has an edge with sixaxis on the same options

also i expect wii/move like controllers coming to kinect as well..

WTF,adding controllers defeat the purpose,Kinect was only suppose to be controller free,thats what Kinect is all about... If MS does that.their just making @sses of them selves..

It has to do either A or B. If it does both the fanboys freak out.

Black/white logic on N4G. What else is new?

I wonder when the mods will get off their assess and start a mass-ban of these asshats that are ruining N4G.

The damn thing still allows you to use your body as the controller. This is just an added feature that was announced before Natal was even shown at E3'10.

All hardcore games require a controller. Isn't this kinda ironic however? you may have to spend an extra 30-50 bucks to get some sort of controller on top of kinect.

This is great news. I wans't going to get Kinect after Microsoft's terrible E3, but if this statement is true I definately will. I never reall had an interest in totally controller free gaming but 'kinect + controller is another story'. I think this will add a lot to games. For instance you could be playing something like Ghost Recon with a controller but issue commands to your squad mates using gesture and voice. This is the route Kinect should go down, not this dancing and catching red balls bullshit.

what about patents,sony has the camera and controller scheme patented to the hilt be it coding or hardware,that strikes me as a problem straight away,then you have a device that doesn,t do what it said.playing as the controller? thats got to be a sue able case in america

Dam people first you are we want more core games.
Now we get a comment about how kinect can be used with a controller and people are crying about how kinect is all about controller free gaming please make up a mind and stay with it. Controller free gaming is for your mom and dad grandparents and other casual people.

I can't see hardcore gamers grabbing this at the rumored $150 price tag just to add a bit of motion controls to their hardcore games.

I knew this controller wouldn't work well for games like fps games since walking in place would be dumb.

I'm not sure if MS knows what it wants from this thing. They want a piece of the casual pie but they gotta show some games that will make a casual gamer wanna plunk down the cash needed for this, over looking the wii. MS have their work cut out for them, so does sony.

From what i've seen, i like the Move controller more simply because its way more practical for the games id play, although im not getting either controller unless a must have game makes good use of it.

I really don't see any of these new controllers selling by the masses.

Not to nit pick but why would you buy a kinect if your gonna need a controller for games anyway seems pointless better off saving the money and buying another game really. the ppl that are saying this is good think about it really your buying some hardware that lets you play controller free with casual games you wont want to play anyway then when u want to play halo or geow3 you will need a controller anyway makes no friggin sense whats the kinect going to be used for if the input is from the controller the camera looking at you will be doing nothing.

That's good to know, I guess.

are you morons or what?, he's saying thet kinect can work hand in hand with traditional controllers...THE XBOX 360 TRADITIONAL CONTROLLER, you don't need to buy a new one, just the controller that comes with the console.

Fu@"#$ ps3 retards

Microsoft has marketed Kinect to the casuals as being controller free, thats their big selling point to the casuals, you are the controller.
The Sony loyalists ate this up because they figured it would not work very well with hardcore games which brings the SDF alot of joy for some reason. Anyway they chose to ignore the many articles that were saying that MS did NOT want to do away with the controller completely and that in fact they would have hybrid games for the hardcore users.
Fast forward to today, Kinect WILL indeed have Kinect-ONLY games for the casuals, hence the 'you are the controller tagline.' Kinect will however be useable as an optional extra for controller based games.
The SDF in their infinite wisdom(read ignorance) cannot come up with a clever way to make this seem like a bad thing so they are going to scream FAIL FAIL FAIL, THEY SAID IT WOULD BE CONTROLLER FREE AND NOW THEY DO NOT HAVE FAITH IN THEIR OWN PRODUCT BLA BLA BLA.
Is Kinect controller free? 15 launching CASUAL games that DO NOT REQUIRE a controller seem to think so.
Will I be able to use Kinect with my controller to play hardcore games like Ghost Recon in future? Yes.
Is this a BAD thing? No, its awesome, but SDF has to do its job, part of which includes ignoring a fact that makes Kinect a great device and then pretending this fact did not always exist when they cannot ignore it anymore.
Bottomline, Kinect has controller free games, something the Sony boys made fun of, Kinect will have hybrid games, something the Sony boys can't find fault in but will come up with SDF logic to try and ridicule.
Yikes! Talk about great wall of text!

- with controller we get to move forward and backwards without physically moving our entire bodies or tilting
- with controller we can make some simple moves (interactions with objects) and nav menus MUCH easier and faster skipping the terrible voice recognition
- with controller we can get vibration feedback and tilt feedback AND deeper control when including motion tracking

This is the best of both worlds IF there's a dedicated bi-manual controller like two Hilcrest Labs controllers, one for each hand, with thumbsticks and extra buttons. Consider adding speakers and what not (ripping the feature from Nintendo).

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This is want happens when poeple jump the gun and start down playing something before they know the full details. all this name calling, finger pointing,bigger than yours, faster then yours is a joke, when no one knows want these things can do before these new toys are put on the market and even then you still don't know wants coming down the pike, wait and see and be ready to blown away on all systems, this is what we all have been waiting for in home fun and it is going to get better as time goes on. Something for everyone.

Doesn't this defeat the promoted purpose of Kinect? "You are the controller"

Tell me again how the multiplatform strategy was supposed to fix everything. Look at your results and compare them to Nintendo, which keeps thriving with exclusives. Your loyal fans are gone. And let’s not forget the pile of IPs you purchased only to let them rot.

The worst thing is this is down from last years numbers/expectations which was down from the previous years numbers/expectations. You think about how long “down” has been a consistent part of the communication and you realize those subscriptions are what’s holding that boat together. The price cut of gamespass is still a price raise in a string of price raises. They are trying to use players to offset the missing revenue. Now call of duty is out of gamespass, which is literally WHY they bought the company. To draw people to the subscription. They realized they missed a boatload of money and that wasn’t sustainable. Now you pay for it like you would have if they never bought the company… so why buy the company? Mind you those billions still need to be paid back. Yeah it gives you a chance to say we make the biggest FPS… but the internal conversations must be brutal at high level on topics that really matter. Like revenue. Profitability. And ROI for the shopping spree.

Is this like the 10th quarter in a row they're down 33% on hardware how is that even mathematically possible. You would think their mediocrity would Plateau

Helix will be expensive but it's still a day one for me.

Oh, my days...
So Nadella meets with the US president multiple times to ensure AI regulations are minimal if any at all, donates to the inauguration and ballroom, and his boy not only won't regulate AI as farmers lose land and billionaires/corporations buy up farmland to build data centers...but because he's insane and compromised, he starts a war on behalf of a rogue colonial zionist state and [further] destabilizes the Middle East, restricting component access and helium supply.

Now the head of Xbox is saying the hardware pricing "could impact" next generation hardware pricing? Asha,...your boss at a minimum played a direct role in this. What are we even talking about?

Yea because a $3 trillion company can’t absorb the majority of the cost to keep the product lower for consumers.

Expensive… oh no, here comes another flop.

Could? Strange how prices rise for virtually everything we buy, yet when things settle down, prices don't come down. This has been happening in the UK probably before I was born. With that, how much is a next gen console going to cost? Look at the price of the PlayStation 5 Pro, which has been a flop for Sony. On that note, we don't need the next consoles for another 5 years.

I guarantee if people just stopped buying this kinda stuff all together. This would all be sorted within 2 weeks and everything would be back to normal.

We seen the exact same thing through the COVID period. Companies just jumped on the bandwagon realising that they can get away with charging far more under false pretences and fear mongering.

Consumers now have this fear of "you know what, I only live once. I'm going to spend all this money I earned through my hard work" Or "I only live once I'm going to take a loan out and enjoy my time here".

Silicone Valley spends literally billions of dollars researching how much they can push society to the limits to increase spending. You can research it yourself. There's published written documentation about it. Have a look for yourself into their group research into subscription programs to see how evil they are and why it's such a giant focus of current civilization. Its the very essence of corporate capitalism.

Just delay all new consoles. I could easily go another 5 years with my base PS5.

could? it's already affecting current gen pricing.

It is greed. Apple are selling at the same price, while Microsoft Surface increases 500$ per unit. Karma will tell.