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MS: 360 can match PS3's 3D capabilities

Microsoft has claimed that there's nothing PS3 can do in terms of 3D that the Xbox 360 can't emulate.

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HarryM5805d ago ShowReplies(13)
Otheros005805d ago (Edited 5805d ago )

Just like the 360 can do true 1080p and not upscaled 1080p.
And the 360's hdmi 1.2 can be updated to 1.4 to do 3d. /s

Edit: Avatar the game is not doing true 3d. Using avatar as an example of a 3d game is flawed and using it as an example your console can do 3d is flaw.

Gamerbee5805d ago

They challenge 3D...but what about graphics???

God of War 3
Uncharted 2
Killzone 2......or 3D??\

Put yo $ where your mouth is MS>

P1NKY5805d ago

Now unless the new Xbox 360 Slim has a HDMI 1.3 or 1.4 port then the Xbox cannot do True 3D. You need at least HDMI 1.3 to transmit True HD 3D. HDMI 1.2 does not have enough bandwidth.

There's no doubt in my mind that the Xbox can do 3D. But it will not be the same standard as on PS3. Simply because of the outdated HDMI 1.2 in the Xbox.

There's an article on N4G thats only a few days old which explains it in full.

The disagrees come flooding in. *sigh*

mcnablejr5805d ago

Your on n4g.
*whisper* 90% of members are ps3 fantards,

Now this is how you get disagrees.

360 ftw !

fr0sty5805d ago (Edited 5805d ago )

Put your money where your mouth is Microsoft... where are the 3D games? Let's think about 3D on the 360 for a bit...

The Xbox 360 can't even hold one 1080p frame in it's 10MB frame buffer (tiling can allow native 1080p, but very limited which is why there are only a couple native 1080p 360 games, and they're pretty simple games). So even 3D at 720p is impossible on 360 without even taking into account the fact that HDMI 1.2 has half the bandwidth needed to output 3D visuals (not the low res, low frame rate crap that was in avatar, but real HD 3D at 60fps or higher). PS3 does have to downscale to hit 3D in many instances, but 360 would have to downscale even more due to it's smaller frame buffer. If some are complaining about the graphics hit ps3 games take in 3d mode (which according to our guys at e3 was mostly negligible while in motion), imagine how they're going to be feeling about 360 games having to take an even larger hit. But, alas, HDMI 1.4 was defined as the 3D standard that almost all of these new 3DTV's are requiring in order to take in a 3D input at all. PS3's HDMI 1.3 was allowed to be upgraded to 1.4's 3D feature because 1.3 and 1.4 both have the same bandwidth, but 1.2 having only half of the bandwidth of 1.3 and 1.4 was left out. So, unless Microsoft releases a new Xbox 360 with a HDMI 1.3 or 1.4 port on it, it'll take a TV specially designed to accept 3D over HDMI 1.2 to get HD 3DTV working on Xbox 360. And even then it'll be restricted in resolution and at 60 frames per second max (30fps per eye), whereas PS3 can do up to 720p 3D at 120fps.

IHateYouFanboys5804d ago

blah blah blah - youre forgetting the fact that the PS3 only has a couple of native 1080p games too, and theyre all pretty simple games too.

3D in 720p is also virtually impossible on the PS3, because it require 60fps and 2 separate 720p images to be processed - and when most games struggle to maintain 30fps in 720p 2D mode, thats just not gonna happen. Killzone 3 in 3D is well below 720p, same with every other 3D title apart from Super Stardust, which is the equivalent of a 2D shooter.

Brewski0075805d ago

Thats well and good but the key word here is "emulate" . Games from third-party developers that are 3D will most likely be ported onto the 360 from the ps3 since Sony is pushing the 3D feature a hell of a lot more than Microsoft.

edhe5805d ago

Sony has more to gain - tv sales.

Once they've done 3d they'll think up something else to sell you another TV with.

MS, imo, has the right idea - it's not for 99% of the market. Once 3d is acceptable in the house [ie no glasses] then it can come, imo anyway.

Serg5805d ago (Edited 5805d ago )

I'd rather go without glasses as well and it looks like we will get there sooner than we think, but I won't go into Pachter mode on this one.

edhe5803d ago

It's fine, you don't have to actually be right.

It's not hard to predict most of the market. Just stay informed off actual good blogs & sites, not trash.

Death24945805d ago (Edited 5805d ago )

with your assessment. I'm actually looking into buying Sony's Bravia 52HX909 (240hz,Full LED,3D,Bravia Engine3) that releases next month. I, personally, won't be picking the set up until early next year. I've heard countless people tell me Stardust HD 3D is one of the most satisfying 3d content you can purchase at the moment. This should be in line with the release of Killzone3.

People: "Well 3d is just way too expensive right now anyway" ...(cough) Morgan Webb
3D isn't as expensive as you think-
link
http://www.amazon.com/Mitsu...

ChozenWoan5805d ago

60" 3Dtv for less than $1,000 = SWEET!!!

Too be honest I'm glad Sony is pushing technology forward. Otherwise we would be still gaming on small sub HDTvs with Wii type graphics for all. With wired controller, headsets, and no K/M support for our consoles.

Sony is Pushing 3D media the same way MS is pushing controller-less gaming. Both of them have to start somewhere, so there is no point in waiting till it's mainstream... cause otherwise they will never be mainstream. If everyone waited for DSL/Cable internet to become mainstream, then we would all still be using dialup.

Anyway, I can't wait for 4k HDTvs to hit the market. GT5 in 4k has got to be mind blowingly beautiful.

loslonelyman5805d ago

I just bought the 60 inch C9 series Mitsubishi 3D ready for 700.00 at an HHGregg grand opening. I have a badass 46 LCD, but DLP's have insane black levels.Glad i had the cash to jump on the deal.

ALFAxD_CENTAURO5805d ago (Edited 5805d ago )

I thought MS said Xbox 360 can match the same performance as PS3 in terms of Graphics and Processing.

They only talking about 3D, and not performance.

Besides, they need to bring HDMI 1.3 or 1.4 to make a solid Native 3D, because with that HDMI 1.2 the bandwidth it is less than the half from 1.3.

asyouburn5805d ago

would be the patent sony likely has on the tech the ps3 uses

Nihilism5805d ago (Edited 5805d ago )

LOL, You think sony owns 3d....how sad for you.

Sony has no patent on any 3D technology, they are simply using it. Stereoscopic 3D has been around for 30 years...

EDIT:

LOL apparently it has been around much much longer than 30 years and hence why no one has a patent on it.

"Many 3D displays use this method to convey images. It was first invented by Sir Charles Wheatstone in 1838"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

@ "Sony's innovation" comments

http://www.nvidia.com/objec...

@ Below

What part of "Sony doesn't have any patent on 3D technology" do you not understand.

@ Nix

The technique is called stereoscopic 3D, and Sony have no patent on it. No one owns 3D.

nix5805d ago

he said "tech". which means the technique on how you implement 3D.

asyouburn5805d ago (Edited 5805d ago )

but since the ps3 is the first console to utilize it (only played with shutter glasses on pc personally, correct me if i'm wrong) but i figured sony would do something to protect it from the competition to use it as a selling point for the ps3
EDIT no fanboy here, man. i work hard and buy whatever games suit my fancy. its all business. why wouldnt sony want to try to patent something in and around the way ps3 uses 3d so they can keep it?

Nihilism5805d ago (Edited 5805d ago )

Actually nintendo holds the patent on the rumble it was on gameboy colour and N64 well before playstation.

As you can see Sony does not innovate, but rather recycle old Nintendo tech or other universal tech that had been done before.

But what am I doing preaching to the fanboys...you believe every word of what Sony tells you...

@artsaber

I'm making an idiotic argument. Very well, I'd like for you to state which PROPRIETRY technology sony is using to implement 3D...whats that you say they are using the industry standard STEREOSCOPTIC 3D?

Case closed: Sony owns no patent on any 3D technology, and their implementation is exactly the same as all previous methods.

I know it's easier for you to believe Sony has revolutionised gaming at every turn, but they have not brought anything new to gaming this generation or any generation prior...blu ray is evolution not revolution, and there was competing HD format at the start of this gen...so it would have been done without them.

I repeat: Which propriety technology is Sony using to implement 3D?

UnwanteDreamz5805d ago (Edited 5805d ago )

dchalfont

You are a pseudo-intellectual. The word you are looking for is PROPRIETARY.

Death24945805d ago (Edited 5805d ago )

Nintendo did not, or has ever owned a patent to rumble technology. Immersion was the company that filed a lawsuit against Sony during last generation. That's why in the beginning of the ps3's life cycle, rumble was omitted from the controller. You might want to check your facts before you start rambling about nonsense.

Nihilism5805d ago (Edited 5805d ago )

Your just a straight up moron, lol

Since when has gaming been an intellectual debate?

This is not an intellectual discussion, this is common sense vs. blind fanboyism, and we know which category you fit into, so if you could stand to the left with all the other deluded fools who believe that Sony are "True innovators!"... Sony are more sheep than M.S and that says a lot...

If you feel your internet comments are of intellectual qualities then you must live a very sheltered and pathetic life. Best of luck to you in the real world, I will pitty you the day you and your kind wake up from your deluded dream.

@Death2494

Really, then would you care to explain why all Nintendo remotes still have rumble packs to this day?

Hmm...

Maybe you should check your facts before you spout nonsense ;)

hoops5805d ago

Sony like Apple INVENTS EVERYTHING even if its old technology!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mcnablejr5805d ago

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EVERYONE ELSE - 0

Heisenberg5805d ago

in·tel·lect
The faculty of reasoning and understanding objectively.

Intellect is required to debate any topic effectively smart ass.

Pseudo-intellectual -
someone who engages in false intellectualism or is intellectually dishonest. The term is often, though not always, used to describe one who regularly critiques the work of professionals, while lacking the requisite background knowledge and experience to have an informed opinion.

Understand now?

CoxMulder5805d ago

Man oh man..

Calling people a moron for thinking Sony invented 3D, while claiming Nintendo invented "Rumble"?!

Once again you prove not only to be one of the biggest douches on this site, but also a misinformed "moron" yourself...

"Rumble" as you call it is actually a simple example of something we call "Force feedback" which is a form of "Haptic technology/perception".

Force feedback has been around since the early eighties, LONG before the gameboy color.

And since you like Wiki links so much, here's one for you..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

"The steering wheel also featured the first ever use of force feedback in an arcade driving game, creating resistance in the wheel to simulate a real road surface and shaking the wheel violently when the player hit a car or drove off the road."

That was 1986.. Published by Sega.

"Maybe you should check your facts before you spout nonsense ;)"

Maybe you should, indeed...

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artsaber5805d ago (Edited 5805d ago )

Sony can patent their way in which 3D is applied on consoles. The same way Immersion could patent their method of "rumble" in a controller.

Edit: @dchalfont - You've made some decent arguments in the past, but you are chosing to be an idiot on this one. Your closet hate for Sony is clouding your judgement on the patent process. If Sony decides to be FIRST in implementing 3D, chances are they've found the easiest and best way to do it. That doesn't stop Microsoft or Nintendo for having 3D in their console, they just can't copy and paste Sony's patented method of doing so, PLAIN and SIMPLE. This is not rocket science dude. Microsoft and Nintendo are welcome to create their own secondary ways of implementing 3D, as long as they do not violate any existing patents or use them without purchasing rights, etc.

See Bluray and why using MPEG4 was difficult, it is also why Microsoft continues to REFUSE to use Bluray. They made Sony buy the rights to use the tech, so if Microsoft buys Bluray licenses, they are in part buying some of their OWN tech back from Sony (and others) at a premium price. It is the ultimate "egg on face". Any decent tech is usually a bundle of pre-developed tech that has been proven. That is what Bluray is, 3D tech will be probably no different. The only question here is the methods and legal usage thereof of 3D tech and how it is implemented.

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai13d ago (Edited 13d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio13d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing13d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster9213d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit13d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing13d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster9213d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay15d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn216d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers15d ago (Edited 15d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn215d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown15d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos15d ago (Edited 15d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay15d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay15d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac15d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger15d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300015d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde15d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood15d ago (Edited 15d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde15d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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'The big things that we're thinking about'

In an exclusive interview with Game File, new(ish) Xbox boss Asha Sharma and Xbox chief content officer Matt Booty explain their vision for Microsoft’s gaming division

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Agent7517d ago

A good start would be to release games to go with the console. My Xbox Series X has gathered dust virtually from launch. My advice would be to ditch a next console and release games on PC, PlayStation and Switch. Another idea would be a hybrid console based on Xbox Series X tech and go the same route as Nintendo. Another idea would be to pull out of gaming altogether. Plenty of options there.

Reaper22_14d ago

Why would they pull out? They have the momentum. Sony has been getting nothing but bad news lately.