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IDG: Microsoft Kinect Hands On: We're Missing the Point

IDG says: After putting Microsoft's Kinect motion-sensing camera for the Xbox 360 through its paces, I've come away a true believer--that it isn't for me, it's for my wife.

i rule5800d ago

this is for my wife and kids. I will get it my daughters has already named the tiger cub in that animal game.

UnwanteDreamz5799d ago

From what I can tell Kinect, Move, and Wii appeal to the casuals and kids.

My wife and kids would take any of them. Probably call them by the wrong names too.

Mista T5799d ago (Edited 5799d ago )

I see more core games for Move from those 3, thats why I'm getting it

@Turin- I'm not getting Kinect, it's a waste of money. I'm not gonna yell at my tv to watch a video or movie, a controller is much more convenient

darthv725799d ago

yeah...i could see mista t gettin his move on.

Turin5799d ago (Edited 5799d ago )

Mista T, I thought you were referring to Kinect. Just as well you edited your post.

It does look like Sony are going to push core games on Move more than I expected. I am still going to wait awhile to see if the games show up before committing myself to paying for one. But it does look more promising after seeing their conference.

@Mister T, can't argue with that. Sounds pretty sound logic to me. Maybe someone should tell Microsoft though.

WhittO5799d ago

not really, I'm a casual and I'm still buying Move.

Killzone 3, Heavy Rain, Socom all show that Move will still have the killer games to play and not just the crap casual 1s.
Although even the more casual games would be good since they are so accurate and would actually require skill to play.

Megaton5799d ago

Move will likely see use in many more core games than Kinect and Wii. Hell, Wii is probably used in more core games than Kinect ever will be.

According to some of the stuff I was watching on G4 yesterday, Killzone 3 is already running on Move on the E3 floor.

WhittO5799d ago

^^ lol I meant to say I'm a Hardcore gamer not Casual.

Alcon Caper5799d ago

hmm, the writer didn't try dance central? i think that'd be something to try

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velaxun5799d ago

I was actually shocked at the amount of core games that Sony showed with Move support. I was dreading E3 cuz I thought MS and Sony both would have a buttload of stupid gimmicks to go with their controllers.

frjoethesecond5799d ago

Good to know I simply wont need this. I thought the 360 was a hardcore console but there you go.

BabyTownFrolics5799d ago (Edited 5799d ago )

it had better appeal to somebody

at frjoethesecond above:

there is no such thing as a purely hardcore console anymore, each system has games that appeal to the casual gamer and both Move and Kinect are only going to make that fact even truer. Though it is also true that Movie seems to be trying to satisfy both the casual and hardcore gamer and because of that I see Move as the better choice, if you have a choice. That is not to say that folks wont buy kinect, some will, and with the install base of the 360 being very healthy, some may just be enough.

dorkyfresh115799d ago (Edited 5799d ago )

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.Kinect showed nothing that the PSEye can't do. Kinect might be able to go above and beyond, however, everything they demonstrated isn't beyond PSEye's capabilities. add 'Move' and your options and experiences become 5 fold. M$ has the money to shove Kinect into homes, but that doesn't mean it will amount to much in the long run. if M$ wants Kinect to be relevant and successful then they better bring games that are genuine. unfortunately, aside from the dancing game, Kinect's "games" are pretty much just shovelware for now.

AtatakaiSamurai5799d ago

Correction. Showed nothing that the Eye toy can't do.

dorkyfresh115799d ago

forgive my nativity but is there a major difference? are you insinuating that Kinect didn't show anything that even OLDER tech than the PSEye can't do? just wondering...

wages of sin5799d ago (Edited 5799d ago )

Where is the technical data that shows that the technology in Kinect is nothing more than, and can be done by, the PSEye.

If anything the Move is a Wii clone much, much more so than Kinect is to the eye.

@bviperz,
What proof do you have of that? The Wii started off going for the casual marktet. That isn't the case with Microsoft. Your argument is a moot complaint based on nothing. MS knows the core audience wants "our" games, and we'll get them. They are just bringing in more people, it is a busineess afterall. They can use it for core games as well, just give it time.

@dorkyfresh11,
So in other words, you don't have proof of initial claims.
You say that you want proof that it can do more, okay I have several examples. For starters can the PSEye do facial and voice recognition/control?
Does the PSEye have the ability to track (with the motorized head)a player. Or does it have the ability to do skeletal mapping and tracking. What they showed and what we've seen on the videos of gameplay; and from peoople actually on the floor playing it, proves otherwise. The real issue is that the so called "hardcore" gamers and fanboys, don't realize that or want it to fail just because it's Microsoft.

dorkyfresh115799d ago

i'll agree that the Move is basically an evolved Wiimote and i have no problem with that. however, most sites tout about how much tighter and reactive the Move is over the other 2 motion control peripherals.

thing with Kinect is that, yes, it might be an evolved PSEye and it might be able to do MORE from a technical standpoint....but they haven't SHOWN it to do more. they've shown how accurate the Move is compared to the Wiimote....but Kinect hasn't shown off anything that the PSEye can't do or already hasn't done. you can talk all day about how much more powerful Kinect is than PSeye, but if you don't SHOW it then no one will believe you.

you want proof that Kinect can't do anymore than the PSeye? well......we want proof that Kinect CAN do more than the PSeye :P

Cajun Chicken5799d ago

Everything so far is static on a framed screen or on rails. It's another Eyetoy, admit it people. It cannot do realtime 3D without it scrolling forwards or staying still.

This however would have been REVOLUTIONARY in the arcade.

R0me5799d ago

I bet people who will see the Kinect advertise never heard of PSEye before, most ppl out there dont have the knowledge. They see it and they want it.
They even buy it if they have no use for it, because the advertisement makes them think they need it.

dorkyfresh115799d ago (Edited 5799d ago )

R0me, unfortunately, you're right. the PSeye wasn't very popular, but then again Sony wasn't advertising it as the 2nd coming of the PS3 (that's the Slim). M$, however, put tons more emphasis on Kinect than they did with 360S. M$ knows how to use their money to get their products known, but what they SHOULD be doing is using that money to make more quality products and invest in better business tactics.

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bviperz5799d ago

(I've been saying this over and over) If Kinect is successful, hardcore gaming on the 360 will be secondary, if that. Look at the Wii.

AtatakaiSamurai5799d ago

... you catch on quick. That's the whole point of MS doing this.

Odin7775799d ago

Yeah I'm not liking the direction Microsoft is heading. And it worries me even more that they didn't even show any new xbox exclusive core games...Well at least they've still got Halo, Gears, Fable and the multiplats.

GarandShooter5799d ago

Microsoft seems to be having an identity crisis.

Xbox360 used to be synonymous with hardcore online gaming. It seems that MS wants to shed that perception, and this has been going on quite some time with the addition of non gaming apps, avatars, etc. The previous mantra 'It's all about the games' seems to have been silenced.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm all about increased functionality and completely understand a company wanting to increase its marketshare and demographic, but MS at times seems to be a ship without a rudder. Perhaps we are seeing but a few pieces of the puzzle, only glimpses of a greater vision, and as more pieces are put in place it will all come together and make gaming sense.

I just hope that as they move along their journey, they don't forget or neglect their core audience, the gamers that have made the 360 and XBL the success they are today.

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio4d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing4d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster924d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit4d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing4d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster924d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay6d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn26d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn26d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown6d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay6d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay6d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac5d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger6d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster30006d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde6d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde5d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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'The big things that we're thinking about'

In an exclusive interview with Game File, new(ish) Xbox boss Asha Sharma and Xbox chief content officer Matt Booty explain their vision for Microsoft’s gaming division

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Agent757d ago

A good start would be to release games to go with the console. My Xbox Series X has gathered dust virtually from launch. My advice would be to ditch a next console and release games on PC, PlayStation and Switch. Another idea would be a hybrid console based on Xbox Series X tech and go the same route as Nintendo. Another idea would be to pull out of gaming altogether. Plenty of options there.

Reaper22_5d ago

Why would they pull out? They have the momentum. Sony has been getting nothing but bad news lately.