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Microsoft's Smoke and Mirrors

Miming the Forza / Kinect demonstration.

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Reibooi5812d ago (Edited 5812d ago )

Is anyone really surprised? After the glitchy Avatar Shoe incident last year I would expect MS to do nothing less.

The fact is it's pathetic to not have enough confidence in a product you expect consumers to buy and save your console for the next 4-5 years. They need to show REAL and LIVE demos not faked footage or pre recorded stuff.

The more of this people see the more they go "Well it's not gonna be worth buying if they have to fake even this simple stuff"

Shadow Flare5812d ago

well natal deserves ZERO praise then. They don't even show it live at E3, they FAKE the whole thing. It deserves ZERO praise because it obviously doesn't work. If it did they would have shown it live. Like sony does and WILL

Rumor5812d ago

Its amazing how that girl had a "twin" to do the chat with.
I smell pre recorded, staged chat

snipermk05812d ago

Lol.. damage control at its finest! :P

AtatakaiSamurai5812d ago

the number of developer studios like Lion Head and Turn10 that played along in trying to deceive the public. No shame, no sense of pride.

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Redrum0595812d ago (Edited 5812d ago )

smoke? maybe not. but mirrors yes. mirrors for looking at what we already knew, and im talking about games. same exclusives and multiplats that we already knew about for a while.

so MS show being smoke and mirrors.. no
MS show being just mirrors... yes

SillySundae5812d ago (Edited 5812d ago )

And this is the reason why I am losing faith with MS.

I would've been able to accept this if there was a disclaimer of sorts that this is a concept.

But with the way they presented it, with a man actually doing gestures, they REALLY intended to deceive us.

@StanLee 1.3.1
And that's is my point.
Why did they have to do this if its working anyway?
(and spare themselves from this)
Get it?

Also, I wish I was there at the E3 floor to say:
"Hey I saw that car demo being played on the floor."
"... Hey it's working fine"

Unfortunately I wasn't ... so I really can't tell you if it's there or not or if its working great.
All I can see is a video that shows me something that rattles my confidence in the company I supported (360 owner here)

StanLee5812d ago (Edited 5812d ago )

Almost all the games shown are playable on the show floor. Fanboys can piss off.

Reibooi5812d ago

@Stan Lee

That's the point. Most if not all of these games are there to play in real time on the show floor. Yet MS did NOT have the confidence in Kinect to show these games real and live instead opting to have a pre recorded video that those on stage mimic.

If it works SHOW it. Sony did that the very FIRST time they ever showed PS Move. MS needs to do the same.

WhittO5812d ago

Have you seen any vids from that "gameplay" yet ? awful.

Kleptic5812d ago

^^this isn't though, right?...if so, why isn't there article after article of people saying 'it actually works'?...

all that presentation did was raise more questions...why are things happening before the real person moves?...how do you work the pedals, especially standing?...etc.etc.etc...move already has big videos of up from IGN, GS, Giantbomb, etc all showing Move in action...with nothing but feedback stating 'it does what it is supposed to', allwoing everyone to make their own decisions on whether or not its just a wiimote clone...while kinect has left almost everyone with more questions, and a much more skeptical eye now that all the presentation information was blatantly canned...

even worse for me was the guy awkwardly moving around to 'look' at the car...it didn't seem to sink at all with his body movements...he was still right in front of the camera, just moving his shoulders or something to walk five feet around a ferrari on screen?...it was plain weird, and everyone seems to agree...I'll give MS credit in that this is beyond what others are doing with motion control, so its probably something very difficult to illustrate, and simply needs to be tried to understand...but MS is not letting anyone do that yet, or at least not exactly...and their explanations and demonstrations do more harm than good when they are fake, right?...

Godmars2905812d ago

I'd like to know i they've got Forza looking good why using it, why doesn't the Star Wars look nowhere close to Force Unleashed?

Microsoft Xbox 3605812d ago

It may be playable on the show floor, but does it work as advertised?

Umb5812d ago

I've lost faith in them long agao when I had to go through 2 x360. My first x360 lasted 10 minutes out of the box brand new! My second one lasted 10 months, which I did self repairs by increaing the ventilation and added additional fans for cooling and it hanged on for another 4 months before totally crapping out.

Whereas my launch 60gig PS3 is still going with no signs of any issues, my Wii is still going.

I'm not made of money and can't afford to keep replacing something that is not reliable, besides if I keep supporting a crappy product this just reinforces the idea in this case for MS that people are stupid or sheep and will blindly allow them to get away with it. This will inturn lower the standards for future products because the know they can get away with it.

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snipermk05812d ago (Edited 5812d ago )

Lol.. another damage control drone. =p

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Godmars2905812d ago

Really surprised all the focus of possible shenanigans is on Forza - 4? - and not the other driving game. The air-tricks especially where happening before the woman did anything.

ryuzu5812d ago

Well, there seems to be so much I guess different people spotted different things.

What seems strange though is given that MS decided to fake this stuff, why didn't they do a better job? The next question is, what are they concerned about?

Is it only lag, or is there something else? Is the code not ready yet to demo this live? Is the tracking system prone to drop outs, or inaccuracies? Does the system only work in conditions they couldn't guarantee in the hall?

It just seems weird to decide to fake it, and then to fake it so badly everyone can see it's faked... I mean we're not far from release - when will this be ready to show properly working to everyone.

Even the Ubi show demo didn't seem quite right in retrospect.

r.

Redrum0595812d ago

i think it was still forza3 dude. if it were forza4 dont u think he wouldv talked about a new physics engine or his new graphics engine and how everything is definitive about it. all it was is an add-on or something for forza3 with kinect integration.

Jeff2575812d ago

My big question for the driving games was how exactly was she making it drive? I got the boost part when she threw both hands forward but there was no mention of how to accelerate or brake.

Kleptic5812d ago

it wasn't forza anything other than simply a tech demo...a fake tech demo that pretty much everyone saw nearly right away...its not a 'new' game, just MS illustrating what can be done with kinect...or at least what they want us to believe can be done...

ryuzu I totally agree...How could they possibly think faking it this badly would have benefit anything?...I get the stage fright issue, where that guy probably rehearsed that 500 times over the past few months/weeks...then bombed on stage...but things need more explaining now than they did before...

if it is lag, like many media people have stated they noticed...why is it 'forward' lag haha?...its the human lagging, not the on screen hand symbol...and how do his body movements correlate into rotation around a car like that?...he was awkwardly wiggling around but mostly staying in place while the camera panned all the way around the ferrari...that demo needed a disclaimer of at least 2 minutes explaining simple things like that, and it would have gone a long way to help the perception of the public...

No doubt...this will go down as MS's single worst E3 yet I bet...sad too, because all they normally do is announce some once big PS exclusive franchise coming to 360 day and date with the PS3...and everyone says MS 'won' E3 again...

insomnium5812d ago

Great read and I'm 100% with you.

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HolyOrangeCows5812d ago (Edited 5812d ago )

Some of the conference's gameplay video was definitely prerecorded.

Hellsvacancy5812d ago

Sum, looks like it was all pre recorded shame on u MS

DelbertGrady5812d ago

Some of your comments sound pre-recorded.

Nicaragua5812d ago

Some of your comments make you sound like a bell-end.

Touche !

Pennywise5812d ago

Soda, I am sure you garnished some respect yesterday for being the only 360 troll still standing... well, and Omega. But today it is just annoying. Give it a rest.

MS's conference was a bomb. The internet is still ringing with disappointment. Only a thick headed, stubborn, brain washed child would still be trying to defend them.

Their stuff was prerecorded and the actors couldn't even keep up with the simple movements. It looked like the game were controlling the people instead of the people controlling the game.

You have fun with your remodeled disc scratching, casual box while the rest of us gamers wait for Sony to give us what we want: GAMES.

jmare5812d ago (Edited 5812d ago )

I think the word you are looking for is "all."

Also, I think it is quite the coincidence that the person they gave the kinect to was the girl's "twin" sister.

supersonicsaga5812d ago

You should bump up your Gamerscore and isn't that the LAST airbender?

Misterhbk5812d ago

I believe all the Kinect stuff was prerecorded. I noticed similar things in the Dancing game while the girl was on stage dancing, and the same when the girl was playing with skittles the tiger. I guess she was supposed to be petting him, but had her hands down for a few seconds too long and the hands appeared on the screen early. and Joy Ride...whether prerecorded or not just looks SAD! if this is the game that MS hopes to compete with Mario Kart and ModNation....its back to the drawing board

Misterhbk5812d ago

Oh and the most obvious one, at least to me, that I forgot about...when they did the whole track race. The girl was pumping the heck outta her legs which you would assume would make her run faster, while the guy was just kinda strumming along, but he still won in the end???? raised a few flags for me. Either there are simulated speeds in the game and it doesn't matter whether you just walk or actually run in place, or it was definitely prerecorded.

FiftyFourPointTwo5812d ago (Edited 5812d ago )

nevermind this post. Gun_Senshi beat me to it. :)

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai14d ago (Edited 14d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio14d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing14d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster9214d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit14d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing14d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster9214d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay16d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn217d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers17d ago (Edited 17d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn216d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown16d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos17d ago (Edited 17d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay16d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay16d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac16d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger17d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300016d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde16d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood16d ago (Edited 16d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde16d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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'The big things that we're thinking about'

In an exclusive interview with Game File, new(ish) Xbox boss Asha Sharma and Xbox chief content officer Matt Booty explain their vision for Microsoft’s gaming division

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Agent7518d ago

A good start would be to release games to go with the console. My Xbox Series X has gathered dust virtually from launch. My advice would be to ditch a next console and release games on PC, PlayStation and Switch. Another idea would be a hybrid console based on Xbox Series X tech and go the same route as Nintendo. Another idea would be to pull out of gaming altogether. Plenty of options there.

Reaper22_15d ago

Why would they pull out? They have the momentum. Sony has been getting nothing but bad news lately.