not to be biased or anything, he wasnt shaking the console on the video, he just wanted to moved it vertically to stand..Watch the video first before commenting and defending.

No big surprise here. Microsoft put out a nice, new, flashy hardware design, yet in the end it's still built by Microsoft.

Prediction: it'll take 6 months after 360 S's launch for the "slim red ring" reports to start pouring in.

Oh, and your conference sucked, Microsoft.

Now I get what people are saying. That you don't move it while it's reading. I 100% agree with that. However the fact that it still destroys discs if you do it makes me worry if it will randomly destroys discs when you don't even touch it.

If it does then it proves MS has learned nothing.

I carry my 360 in a back pack while mountain biking down Mount Kilimanjaro...

I've knocked my console over by accident when it was standing vertically before and it scracthed and made unplayable the game i was playing, just because i was carrying stuff and didn't step high enough over it.

You'd think they'd fix that, i was so angry.

Seems they're stil taking short-cuts.

Who flips their console up sidedown when its reading disks. What a MORON. He says "he had no idea that would happen." Rally? Thats like flipping your computer over downwhile its reading a disk, or anything with a tray.

Whitto, WTF. When you move your console from room to room its NOT PLUGGED IN AND ON. THIS MORON FLIPPED IT UPSIDE DOWN WHILE IT WAS ON.

Ive moved my 360 while its on and my games never got scratched. I did not ever flip it over like this guy tho.

eDIT--- AHAHHAH WHATS NEXT....DURRRR I dipped it in water and now it doesnt turn on.

PS3 only owners have the most problems with this. Wonder why? Can you guys tell me?

*Checks the site´s name*

Oh yeah. Well can´t really blame them if they are used to fvck their console while playing games.

"It only does everything", makes sense.

Now, most people don't move their console when playing. There is typically not much point in so doing. However, my tenant and I have both accidentally bumped his 360 while playing and it is in an entertainment center. It scratched his copy of Halo 3 pretty bad.

Interestingly, my 60 gig 360 CAN BE MOVED while playing a game and it doesn't have this problem. Weird. Anyway, it really is just too bad. My Wii doesn't do this and neither does my PS3.

The original 360 does this too......

And all that it takes to fix this is a couple of small pads.
Which would run the cost up of the machine by oh...roughly 5 cents (if that).

This "technology" has been around since the bloody discman..that's 1984.
Seriously disappointed that they didn't address this issue. And no, slapping a sticker on the machine is not addressing it.

this suck for anyone in earthquake prone areas ...
and i can recall having to move my playstation while playing alot so you can shove that " why would you move it " crap

they need to fix that tho

He shook it around and dropped it so what do you expect lol. Then we never even saw the disc being inserted which is suspicious. These guys are on a mission to hate on MS.

this story has been completely overrun by Sony roaches, its infested with them, there is absolutely nothing here for a PS3 only owner, yet we have an infestation of these roach like pests shooting off their mouths because they are upset the 360 is now superior to PS3 in both software AND hardware. LOL!!!

This is getting blown out of proportion. Why in the hell would you move your game system anyways while it's on, yet alone reading a disc! This may be a flaw, but is it also a flaw that my PS3 Slim makes the most annoying popping/cracking noise while it's on like every 10-20 minutes? I find that to be way more a problem for me than me being a dumbass and moving a system while reading a disc.

so much for this being improved hardware.

Desperation...you need a blade to make that scratch...Listen carefully at the beginging...lol...rather pathetic...

Never had scratch problems, of course...I don't move my consoles let alone turn them upside down when they are playing. That goes for my Wii and PS3.

:(

my forza 2 disk was owned when i moved the xbox by accident. xD

they are a plague. I have mixed feelings on this. I never move my console while im playing. so why would they do that? unless your have to disconnect some cables or something. at the same time, he barely moved it and it SCRATCHED the disk. REALLY??!?!?! why would u buy a console that has this issue?? I just dont get why people buy into the xbox brand. its incredible how the xbox fanboys defend this. I usually laugh at you guys, but now I see your fanaticism is on par with the nazis. scary stuff.....

now i notice all the "its pathetic" comments are coming from the usual sony fanboys. but after watching that video, how anyone can sit there and say that that guy did not go looking for something bad to happen is beyond me!!!! he blantantly wanted something to happen then!

that was a really cheap attempt at looking for some hit getting crap!

A "stand-up" design for a disc tray makes it more feasible to lose balance when moved. Many homes here in Hong Kong are small and they usually put their consoles below their TV's or even under an open desks. Heck my friends 360 just fell over simply because someone pulled a power cord accidentally.

Imagine that scenario with THIS updated console... that's another good game down the toilet. What if this game was rare or difficult to import? I don't mind losing my console but games are a totally different story.

As a designer, you must ALWAYS try to test different scenarios and accidents to ensure stability within your product. There is no defending this... the lack of quality control shows - a "do-away" with the tray is A MUST feature. Better yet, the default stand design should be horizontal and not vertical. It's NOT a bloody PC!

-End statement

@ redsky- of course this site is filled with fanboys, get use to it. (ps3 fan here)

@ sedski killer above- so because he did the EXPERAMENT means this would never happen to someone else? do people have ANY reasoning anymore? do yall not see the point behind the article? the problems still do exist. and if i owned a 360 i would just get use to it because MS are not fixing $***.

on topic.

but even though im a ps3 fan that dosent mean that what i say twards the 360 illogical.

i recently had my ps3 lying down, i had to stand it up because the top vent was to close to my cable box and it was suffocating and getting hot, if this were the 360 it would have scratched my disc, just saying. they also lied by saying that it is "wisper quiet" reports are saying that it is just as loud as the old one.

not hating the 360 because it is a good console, just calling out MS on their bullcrap.

@ DIGITALANALOGUE above- yeah i agree the stand up on the 360 is bad because it is light and it is also a thin rectangle strip at the bottom. the ps3 is oval which gives it proper support. but the scratching of the discs should have been fixed a long time ago.

so, if your dog knocks over your 360 when you're playing it, say goodbye to your game.

Oh my god please
It's not only a xbox 360 that rip disk like that
Wii, ps3, laptop and PCs does that if YOUR A FREAKING MORON THAT MOVE VERTICAL TO HORIZONTAL (VICE-VERSA) YOUR MACHINE WHILE A DISK IS RUNNING.

It scrap disk, cuz of the physic of spinning and a lil deviation the disk twist a lil while spinning so it scratch

THE END

This shouldn't happen.... Shoddy hardware from MS, big surprise.

My major problem with this is if somebody knocks the 360 or if you stand it on its side and it falls over from a nudge? Say goodbye to your £40 game.. Blu rays are scratch proof baby this wouldn't happen on a ps3..

I lost 2 games in the past on 360 due to the scratching and they looked exactly like this on the vid.. Never happened on any other console including Xbox 1 and PS2 which both had DVD trays.

Eeeh? How the fuck are you suppose to take it downstairs when the console is still plugged in? The 360 only scratches it if it is IN MOTION and the disc isn't in motion when the power is off. Get your shit right, fanboy.

LMAO i love how they put a sticker on the console so now if u do happen to move it there not liable lol and to all the people talkin about taikin it in the kitchen and crap stop being dumb u just saw all the guy wanted to do was stand it up what if your dog or sumn knocks it over??.. WHY DIDNT THEY FIX IT... O WAIT THEY DID THE STICKER!!!

This Guy is an idiot!!!!!!

what if i farted and it fell over LOL then what im out 50 bucks HAHAHAHA i like how the guy is like(is there really a sticker on there) lol

What if its standing up and then falls down?

didnt even have to move it.

My pc with a disc drive tray doesn't even have this problem...Ive tilted it SEVERAL times as I had a crappy video cable/video card connection problem for quite a while. I used to tilt my pc every day to unplug replug, unplug, replug...lol. weird. I heard its because they save .03 cents (really .03 cents per box) by omitting the rubber grommet that surrounds the read laser...bummer.

To be fair, not too many people move their consoles like that.

But to be cautious, sound from speakers could shake the console slightly to cause scratching.

I don't like the fact that in this day and age, a new Xbox is scratching disks. But anyone who thinks this wasn't staged is a fool. Just happens to pick it waay up while it's spinning to load Alan Wake, ensuring it would be spinning at full speed just in time for the fud taping. Come on.

No one picks up the console while it's spinning up a game, but that's still no excuse for the problem. If the console was $149 OK. But at $299 no way.

an earthquake doesn't happen while playing this sucker.

I guess playing DDR MAX on 360S is out of the question?
:|

Oh Microsoft, will you ever make a product that isn't defective garbage?

LOL Soda. Bubbles to you matey.

there's been reports of Falcons getting RROD and those are 1-2 years old, Jaspers getting RROD are rare but also a few there

Isn't it funny that the camera does NOT show the whole picture? Look, they did it on purpose, also they take the disc out of the console but the cam does NOT follow the disc, how can we tell that the console really damaged the disc?

Dudes :D it's a game console not a freaking IPod. What is real freaking funny is that there is a warning sticker on front of the 360 and he still moved it. "ALL" consoles come with warnings about moving it with a disc in the tray.

How hard is it to not move your console while its turned on?

The best design takes into account our natural tendencies. I don't know what it would cost to enable tilting the console while the disc is spinning, but it really should be done if possible.

At least the machine still works, though.

who cares?

I love how the sony fans eat up Grieversoul's comment (sigh). this barely a issue just don't move it while its loading and stuff i know you guys Just love to do your morning jogs while playing the 360 but just don't

Last gen is all about :)

some of you are missing the point. its not about moving the console around while playing, its about alittle bit of something called "Quality" something MS surely never heard of.

obviously the guy cannot read the simply instructions that were written on the front of the drive: "DO NOT MOVE CONSOLE WHILE DISK IS IN DRIVE!!!!!" That simple! Who moves there console while there is a game inside of it anyway? Unless there some dumbass who trips over the power cord...knocking the console on the ground!!! lol

if it scratches that bad then Vibration alone can probably cause some big damage over time and also means that you cant go from the horizontal to the vertical standing xbox while it's playing at all which some people might not realize when they buy this xbox without any kind of BIG warning label. IMO the point here is that nothing scratches THAT bad when it's moved that I've seen other than this and that means that vibrations through out the floor might ruin your disc over time. I hope they fix this some way or another.

As someone poignantly mentioned, Kinect will be about hopping skipping and jumping around near a 360. Having such a disc drive.... is such a bad design decision that you have to wonder how MS missed this detail. My feeling is they did it on purpose.

I think people are freaking out about this too much, it is one thing if it happens when it is just sitting their but when you move it or shake it? Not something your suppose to do anyway.

Can see how this would be problem with Kinect.

my sensors indicate this is the same bullsh't 360 before. will robinson showed a video of brand new black 360 can STILL scratch games. my analogy is to proceed with EXTREME caution DANGER!!,DANGER!! an alien wanna-be 360 is approaching i will use electrical force to hold him back SHHHHHH-KORR-ACK!!! did Dr.smith pay MS to build this unreliable machine?? they both unreliable.

lolz at soda's sugar coating damage control

though you can and might damage the bluray drive from shaking brutally.

They're not scratch proof, as I've seen them scratched up at my local Movie Trading Company, and they become useless if they are actually scratched. They're scratch resilient, and they have to be due to this fact.

The Xbox 360 is running a DVD in a disc tray with a 12x drive constantly spinning. If anything, this sort of thing is bound to happen with most products that use a tray, and most of them tell you not to move it while a disc is being read.

I had my dog run behind the TV while I was playing a game, PS3 went flying landed upside down the floor, the game didn't skip a beat and the disc didn't have a scratch on it.

go figure.

Go ahead and shake your PS3 with Uncharted 2 in it and see if it scratches. If it does let me know. It might take alot of shaking for that to happen though, so good luck. If you do manage to get Uncharted 2 to scratch, put the rest of your PS3 games in there and do the same thing. u will be doing the PSN community a HUGE favor. At the same time, you can come on here and post how PS3 scratches blurays and put the pics up too. Then your bubbles will go up from all the 360 fanboys here and you'll be the happiest N4G user alive.

The disc got scratched when he began to tilt it upright, something I do with my PS3 while the game is on all the time. It's not like there were any forceful or violent movements in this video, he was simply moving it upright, in a tame way. So to answer your question this most certainly would not and does not happen on the PS3, nor SHOULD it on the 360.

Honestly in this day and age, to have a disc tray/hardware that will instantly destroy your expensive games upon any movement of the system is unacceptable, why would anyone defend this, it's not in your best interest, as a consumer, to tell MS you're ok with it, when we all know this is completely preventable. It just drives the point home further that MS hasn't learned their lesson about cutting corners in the hardware department, why? Because kids keep shelling out mom and dads cash telling MS: "Go ahead! Fück me in the ass, I'm part of a subculture that idolizes corporations, as if they are an entity that will love me back"

It would be fine. First of all the bluray disc wouldn't be free spinning like that in the console. 2nd, the scratch coating on the bluray discs can withstand razor cuts.