Koei's Jarik Sikat blames Unreal Engine 3 (UE3) for the difficulty with Fatal Inertia on PS3, and he suggests that many other high-profile UE3-based games (pointing to Silicon Knights' Too Human in particular) have been delayed for the same reason.
In response, Mark Rein (VP of Epic Games) defends UE3 and cites Rainbow Six Vegas as an example that UE3 is not the problem: "The bottom line is that making great games is hard work, ... There is no magic cure-all that completely hides the complexity of making world-class high-performance games on complex computing systems..."
"Our engine is not a launch-title technology. If you want to make launch titles you take your previous-gen engine and upgrade. If you want to make stunning true next-gen games like Gears of War and Unreal Tournament 3 (which people who license our engine generally often aspire to) you have to accept that it takes time to learn the intricacies of the systems."
Midway's Steven Allison agrees with Epic and says that Midway has not experienced any exceptional difficulty with making Stranglehold, a UE3-based game.
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Gears of War's creator has spoken out against the trend of turning established franchises into live services, urging developers to focus on single-player experiences.
Too bad he didn't have this opinion when he chased trends with Lawbreakers. Or when he chased trends with Radical Heights.
He learned from the mistake or he wouldn’t be advocating for more single player experiences. I find this refreshing in a world where we often see people so stubborn that they tend to double down on a mistake which results in making things even worse. Seriously, good for him!
@Popsicle
Oh for sure, better late than never. And better to somewhat own up to your mistakes, rather than just blaming your release window, or advertising partners, or gamers lol.
@Popsicle
Of course we will never know his intentions, but it's hard to believe he is just a naive agent that is learning from his mistakes.
He could have done one himself after Gears of War but he did Lawbreakers…look how that turned out.
Jawbreakers would have been a better name! Heck, I might just go and trademark that right now.
You're missing the point. His studio's short lifespan is what *inspired* him to make this comment in the first place.
Oh I know the point...I'm just stating the obvious and how stupid he was in the beginning to jump on a trend he had no real experience in. A first person hero shooter with heavy GaaS elements is a lot different than the multiplayer in Gears of War.
He'd have been better creating something like Gears of War again, a great single player story and a good online mode.
-"A first person hero shooter with heavy GaaS elements is a lot different than the multiplayer in Gears of War."
I mean... you're kinda muddying terms when Gears has always had a strong multiplayer component. Even if I grant you that, Cliffy B started cementing himself at Epic with Unreal Tournament, which was among the earliest shooter series to have "proto-GaaS elements" (downloadable maps, cosmetics, special editions that bundle stuff together). Lawbreakers and Radical Heights (were it finished) weren't major career shifts to him like they would be for, say, Fumito Ueda.
Regardless of that, it's still kinda useless to state the obvious when CliffyB himself made his comments with the benefit of hindsight already.
Look, these a-hole publishers can do this, in fact I want them to, so they can f*ck around and find out and fail hard scaring away everyone else from doing this live service push.
This industry is run by some of the dumbest corporate pieces of sh*t I’ve ever seen. They spend stupid amount of money with literally nothing that stands out from games from the previous generation (look at Arkham Knight to the $200 mill Suicide Squad comparison vids), you’re overpaying devs, and you focus on games as a service to milk consumers that a lot of them grew up off traditional games. We’re not idiots, we sniff this sh*t out and won’t touch it.
So, what’s your answer to not getting a ROI? Raise game prices and double down on GaaS so you can suck your consumers dry. That model only works for some games and even then how in hell do you expect it to work with multiple games!? They’re ruining the damn hobby with this corporate greed.
Cut back on dev budgets, cut back on how much your staff is getting paid, until sales for games bring in a profit. That’s the answer and make some games that feel like there’s passion behind them, not some cookie cut up game that feels like the entire existence behind it is to offer as little as it can with repetitive bullsh*t and selling off all this content throughout its life. It’s gross.
Games do bring in a profit, it's the greed that is killing the industry. Here is a fact, live service games overall make more, significantly more money than single player games
What you should be asking is executives not wanting continuous growth or firing them. Saying devs should be fired when those who are fitting the bills and setting unrealistic expectations would make things worse. What do y9u think would happen if they released say, 30 single player games and over half of them fail? You are going after the wrong crowd.
About time he learned. I guess he finally stopped blaming everyone else and took accountability for his mistakes and realized that people really don't care that much for trends or live service.
A new rumor suggests that the Gears of War Trilogy Collection is real, with it launching on the PS5 day one with Xbox and PC.
Yeah, I can totally see that happening. My only doubt is if they are going to announce that at the same time as the Hallo Collection or if they will try to distance both announcements to try to ease the pain
This same insider was correct about Forza Horizon 5. So this might be true. But I heard rumors are the Halo:MCC is the next big one to be announced. We'll see I guess
They should announce dedicated showcase for all Playstation ports, it would be less painful for their fanbase.
Anyway thank you Team Xbox and Phil i will support the games.
I see them being in the same year but halo coming alongside ns2 and if e day is early next year gears collection could come at Christmas time
NOOOOOOOOOOOO screamed an obscured observer from across the room the street.
Well I’ll check it out DAY 1 🤣 I hope the do a good job porting it and don’t have issues like MCC did when it first launched on s/x🤷🏿
Ease the pain? Pain for who? Lol. More games on more platforms is a gamer friendly approach. Locking games behind hardware is archaic and lame... Let's not turn into corporate stooges.
I remember talking about this with someone on the forums and they made some good points. Like what exactly are these old games doing at the moment? They pushed the hardware and did everything they needed to do for that platform at the time. Now in MS case even their new games are gonna be day and date but if we're taking about old games. Those games are just sitting their not doing anything anymore. When you port the old stuff to another console, that game has life again and move few more units and a new audience.
As I said Xbox is different because their stuff is inching closer and closer to be day and date. Though both Xbox and PS have old games that are just sitting around when they could have new audiences and breathe new life into the older exclusives.
Just imagine how well collections of older Nintendo games would sell on pc, xbox and playstation...
I honestly don't expect Nintendo to gain much from releasing their games on 3rd party consoles. People are conditioned to buy Nintendo games on Nintendo hardware. Once that changes, Nintendo will probably lose out on revenue as people pass on their underpowered console to wait for their game to release on a superior console. Tons of people only have a Switch for exclusives, and those exclusives sell better than most games on the other platforms and Nintendo is able to pocket the bulk of that revenue since it is their game on their console.
Not very considering rom packs have been eaily accessible for years now it's only really GameCube and above you need to pick and choose because the game size is fairly large and the Wii IMO didn't emulate well considering the motion controls.
So as incredible as they are I doubt they would sell unless they are overhauling them somehow but then again I wouldn't want to see them overhauled but that's just me I still play the NES version of Mario 3 over the SNES all stars version as a example because I think it looks better.
The Series X/S backwards compatibility to their old classics was one of the last few selling points for those consoles.
Exactly I also hope we get a fable collection since fable 2 never came to Pc
I hope we also get gears of war 4 on Pc too since only gears 5 is on steam along with tactics
Revenue same as always Microsoft don't care about community it's reputation and they've never been worried about losing loyal customers if you recall the Kinect era they abandoned the hardcore entirely to pursue the hardcore gamers grandma
"Where's the goalposts gonna go now?"
"It's just old games sitting around doing nothing! Might as well get money from it and a new audience you can use to potentially make it exclusive again for next gen for them to be enticed to jump ship!"
~New goalpost
"Eventually Sony will likely be forced to do the same"
Is that you begging for games that you once bashed in the past? Too funny, things must be dry in your land.
"aren’t selling as much as Xbox - and the answer will be that they are on less platforms."
No they won't because Xbox doesn't announce sales numbers at all. So how would they compare these sales? What idiotic logic. These shareholders going to pull numbers out their backside?!
Why doesn't he just use the one account. How many N4G tabs does he have open with different accounts?
Why do you need goalposts? More gamers will get to play games. Phil said it few days ago again no game has any red line around it. Seriously man it's gaming and your choice of plastic box makes no difference
It's 2025 enjoy gaming on any platform. We should be celebrating how the Biggest gaming publisher is allowing their games to be played on all platforms but how can we get that when some people feel the need to take victory laps
Well hate to say we told you so. But we called this happening as soon as we saw these big purchases and falling sales, but, a whole slew of people said this would NEVER happen. Goalpost keep moving too as if it's some weird flex.
TBH, Forza, the Indiana Jones game, the next Elder Scrolls, and I hope Fable will make it over. I'm excited about those.
I don't think MS going the Sega route would be a bad thing. Nintendo and Sony are making good hardware. There's no reason to not make profit off of that.
But the goalposts moving is in reference to people who constantly approve and post disingenuous stories that they scream are true.
For instance, "you can build a comparable PC to a PS pro for $700," conveniently leaving off the OS. Or, "Sony delisted HD2 in 170 countries" when in reality, it was 170 regions of which SteamDB lists as having over 3000 regions.
Chevalier
What is this with we. Yes most of us saw this coming and all I am saying is it's a great thing for gamers on all platforms. We should be celebrating the fact amazing games will be available to all of us instead of taking some victory lap because of a plastic box
"What is this with we. Yes most of us saw this coming and all I am saying is it's a great thing for gamers on all platforms. We should be celebrating the fact amazing games will be available to all of us instead of taking some victory lap because of a plastic box"
Cool and it should be celebrated. But this idiotic narrative is that it was done for us as consumers needs to die.
Lots of idiots trying to reframe this when they literally argued that this would NEVER happen when we said yes it will because Gamepass isn't profitable and sales losses all round and add in lower hardware sales and it was obvious
@isarai: “ Where's the goalposts gonna go now? 😀🫳🍿”
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The goal post is going home crawl into the shower open the flow and start crying while rocking back and forward i obscured by the darkness of the room.
I haven't played any oif these games either. Will buy and go through the campgains for sure. They a co-op correct? Hope so
They're amazing. If you ever played Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine then you already have an idea how they play.
As the long-rumored Gears of War Collection looks like it may finally materialize on Xbox, the timing could not be better as Gears 6 and movie news swirls.
(Insert “It should be multi platform if Microsoft investors wants more money” JK here)
All jokes aside congratulations to all the gears fans it will be a blast I remember having fun on the first one on my 360 elite till got RROD and quit Xbox all together but that’s a story for another day.
Congratulations 🎊 🍾 🎉 🎈 🎉 🙏
I'm excited for this just aslong is on the pc also cause I don't have the newest xbox console.
I am starting to believe that Epic is a tad guilty of under supporting their selling of the Unreal 3 engine to other companies. I mean how many games use that engine and honestly none have yet to really come close to a Gears of War level of quality. It's just odd that it would be so drastically different for so many.
As for Rein.... In response, Mark Rein (VP of Epic Games) defends UE3 and cites Rainbow Six Vegas as an example that UE3 is not the problem. Well I would counter that with companies like Ubisoft are large development studio's who have a ton of assets to throw at a game like R6 so they could more easily deal with a broken engine than say a Koei or a Silicon Knights. Those smaller publishers are much more reliant on the engine being perfectly suited for them than needing to be modified to work right, etc.
Anyway...the legal implications against Epic seem to be growing.
and others aren't. I have to wonder if different versions of the Engine were released to different publishers.
Silicon Knights said that the UE3 they received was incomplete. I'm betting on this as the cause of all the problems.
There really is a difference in the quality of Epics use of the UE3 as compared to other publishers. Kinda makes you wonder if their version of the Engine is more refined.
Since they made it, wouldn't they be better at working with it?
I mean like they'd be better at the coding and stuff, to make the game look that much better?
I'm not a dev, but that makes sense to me.
""Many other games using the Unreal Engine 3 have been delayed including Stranglehold, BioShock, Lost Odyssey, Mass Effect, Rainbow Six: Vegas for the Playstation 3, Turok, Frame City Killer, and Brothers in Arms: Hell's Highway""
is the statement correct?? lost odyssey and mass effect for ps3???
lol that would be hilarious
since Silicon Knights have had Too Human in development, I wouldn't be surprised if they got an early build of the engine. I believe they are using their own engine now (correct me if I'm wrong). Delay means more money. Being a smaller developer, it will hit their pockets hard, especially if they had to rebuild the game from scratch using another engine.