I think they would sell alot better if they were 399. No wireless, extra slots and 40 gb less...just cut it down 50 more bucks and they would sell pretty well.

pretty weird.. 20 gig resurfacing

I actually bought a 20 gb at launch and I am thoroughly impressed with it. You get all the main features of the 60GB for less; however, when the price difference was 100 dollars between the 60 and 20GB, it was a better deal. The 20 does not come with memory card readers (SD, micro) but those readers only cost a few bucks. It only comes with a 20 gb HD, but most people I know just upgraded to whatever they wanted. In addition, I already had a wireless bridge for consoles, so I did not need the wireless card that the 60GB comes with. My 20 works great, and can technically do anything the 60 GB does.

not bad price but compared to 60gig it's just 50 dollars off lol. The 20gig should be $199.99 a hundred dollars per 10 gig, lol

The 20GB has the hardware chip for backwards compatibility, just like the 60GB. I play ps2 and ps1 games on it all the time. In addition, the 20GB has the full HD experience. It has a blu-ray player, along with the HDMI output. The only differences are the ones aforementioned in my last post.

The 20G is back!!.... Who needs Wi-Fi-hi-wire anyway?!

All these changes with the PS3 makes me think Sony is a little worried. Why change it so much when they are finally selling, just keep the price down and reap the benefits. Just my opinion and I love my 60 gig.

Yeah, I hear what you are saying, but the 20GB did initially debut at launch. In a sense, it is not really a change. Nonetheless, I doubt the 20GB is back permanently.

There is no point at even purchasing the 20GB model PS3. For 50$ more you get alot more out of the 60GB model ,for what its worth. 20GB should priced at 399$, but that just my opinion.

I guess there were some in the supply chain that surfaced. I remember reading somewhere that there were still some out there somewhere. I don't think that $50 less than the 60 gig is all that compelling of a price point, but it is still a pretty good deal when you really look at it.

That's overpriced. Ebgames sells 60gb models with 4 or 5 Blu-ray movies for 499.

that's a nice price for what you get with a ps3.

a nobrainer

Now that Jim Ryan is gone just need to remove Herman Hulst from his position! And maybe give Shuhei the position he deserved.

This gen hasn't been the best for games, last gen consoles are still out there and now there's been talk of the PS6 and Xbox Two for a year or so. Many games this gen will be ported to next gen and the cycle will continue. The re-release of the Neo Geo AES+, games on cartridge for £70 ($95), gaming is going back in time. Gaming has gone pricing mad with the high cost of games, consoles and controllers. The men and women at the top are clueless.

It’s always interesting to hear behind-the-scenes stories like this, especially involving veterans like Shuhei Yoshida and leadership figures like Jim Ryan. That said, there are usually multiple sides to decisions at that level. It could be less about not “listening” and more about differences in long-term vision for PlayStation. Yoshida played a huge role in shaping the brand, so whatever the reason, his impact is undeniable.

If true, and I'm inclined to believe it is, it goes to show that Sony lost their way when they became more western/didn't respect the PlayStation origin story. Andrew House and Jack Tretton did great work, but they also didn't try to fundamentally change the PlayStation DNA. Ryan oversaw the death of Japan Studio and a live service direction.

I already figured this, good lord imagine if Shuhei took over instead, would've been a platinum era 😩

I miss the first three generations of PlayStation. The way they turned PS3 around, we knew they meant business. We were all worried for a bit there around launch. Eventually from 2008 they started shifting slowly. But since Yoshida was fired, it's never been the same. Still enjoy my PS5 daily. I got a backlog dating back to PS2 lol So I'm fine but new games aren't as appealing anymore.

It seems like we were thrown on to the worst timeline possible where everything is too expensive and the wrong people were put in positions that makes the world a shitty place. We could have had Shu as the head of PS but we got the shitty alternative. Same goes for everyone in power around the world. Doesn’t matter the company or country the majority of us got the shitty picks and the world is declining like never before. I do think PS can come out of this because of their studios, talent and IP but they need someone more in touch with gamers leading things like Shu was. They’re still the best place for console gaming imo but it could be much better than it is especially without the massive live service failures. The rest of the world I have a lot less hope for right now. Hopefully the pendulum swings back towards the good ole days but I’m preparing for the worst.

There goes illuminati distraction story

So now there's certifiable proof that Ryan was in fact "fired", as opposed to when it was first announced that he "retired", in order to save face.

There's another guy who recently "retired" as CEO of another large gaming company, after doing a dismantling job as lead for well over a decade.

seems legit, the business man, fires the one who has ideas to move the business forward.

Jim Ryan is the reason why we are entering year 6 since the PS5 launch and many of us don't feel like the PS5 has gotten started as yet.

I hope going forward, we will see a return to form.