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Apple: We Lost The Platforms War To Microsoft

Since the Dinosaurs era there’s been fierce rivalry between long time competitors, Microsoft and Apple. History has taught us a big lesson about the platform wars and how they’ve evolved during the years. In a recent interview with “All Things Digital”, Steve Jobs, Co-Founder of Apple, discussed his point of view on this so called “Platforms War”. Journalist Walter S. Mossberg asked Jobs if he though that Apple was a player against Micrososft and new comers like Google and Facebook , Jobs replied:

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alaa5841d ago

Nothing's wrong with admitting you've lost a battle. Or, in their case, the war!

IdleLeeSiuLung5841d ago

Admitting is the first step towards fixing the problem!

LukaX235841d ago

The war? I'm not going to stand here defending Apple but I think that's taking it a bit too far. Keep in mind, both companies started out and became successful without gaming.

thewhoopimen5840d ago

The computer platform war if you look at it carefully from a tech standpoint is looking less like a war and more like a battle these days with mobile products taking a larger and larger share of computing and internet bandwidth. Apple may have lost the OS battle, but with their market cap higher than even Microsoft's now... I hardly think they are losing THE war.

IdleLeeSiuLung5840d ago (Edited 5840d ago )

It's true that Apple has a larger market share than MS, but keep in mind that just a few years ago they were a $50 billion company i.e. a fifth of MS.

The reason it is so high is not because of it's existing business, it is the POTENTIAL for future business. With anything like that it can become much bigger or it can disappear in an instant.

Almost everything about MS is more desirable on the balance sheet, the only thing missing is real killer growth that Apple has and is hingent on one executive that looks like he might die soon.

MS is a stable company, unlikely to move anywhere in the near future, up nor down. The market cap is probably closer to it's true value. It's value has steadily declined and then bottomed out since the anti-trust lawsuits started... they were successful in killing growth.

With that said, I would rather bet on a growing company than a stable company. Your money ain't going to grow with a stable company and worse Steve Balmer seems like an idiot.

Alcon Caper5841d ago

But they won the pretentious hipster war. Grats, Apple!

XxZxX5841d ago

6/10 people i know bought mac because it's cool and want to be better than the rest. 4/10 of them has no idea what are they doing and just want to follow the cool crowd. 5/10 knows they are buying a overpriced device but they're okay with it. 2/10 think it's a cheaper than PC.

hobokiller5840d ago

If you add it up, you know 17/10 that bought a Mac.

XxZxX5840d ago

Hobokiller, I presumed you failed your math and statistic class, because I never stated they are all mutually exclusive. Do you even know what is mutually exclusive. *facepalm*

thewhoopimen5840d ago

And some of you still think that lower price still means better value after buying into hardware failures like the 360 instead of ponying an extra $100-200 for a ps3. To each their own.

HxCGamer5841d ago

to be fair, if ur recording ur better off with a mac then with crappy pc asio drivers. so macs are sometimes needed

sofocado5841d ago

I don't think you know what are you talking about. I have a recording studio and I use a PC with asio driver, I use my Rosetta 800 with the xfire wire driver from apoggee, I do not have any problem. I know other studios that are using PT HD with PC with no problem. Mac are overprice but they are good. If a pc user know how to it setup there is no need for a Mac.

Rhythmattic5841d ago (Edited 5841d ago )

Just as there is 360/PS3 haters , there is PC/Mac brethren....

Whether its overpriced, pretentious, non conforming, only the case looks good, whatever, I can tell you, having worked selling,supporting equipment to professional recording studios, Macs are a dream.

Believe it or not, Deny it or not, when you have a studio ring up with an issue , where time is money, there is no better platform than Mac. Most the time problems can be fixed on the phone,Due to the macs ecosystem (hardware/Os) ,

BTW, the x-fire card is the only win supported product. everything else from apogee is Mac only.

Hey, each to their own, but I can tell you, me and 99% of all my pro customers use mac.

And as for price, sure, build a PC at half the price, but whats it worth in 4 years ?

As for gaming, we all know thats a different story altogether.

XxZxX5840d ago

"And as for price, sure, build a PC at half the price, but whats it worth in 4 years ?"

same thing will happen to a Mac as new faster processor and video card replaced it. If you buy a 4 years old Mac that has the same price 4 years ago, You are getting rip off.

As for studio wise, I would agree if you hand select a hardware and OS together, it is easy to do your support. I have seen studios bought only specific brand and type of PC to make support easier. There are two camps in studios for choosing Mac vs PC, some just use both. but If you know what you are doing, I think PC does not lose out to Mac at all.

You know Mac is just 5-7% of whole OS market, but go to the Starbuck, sit there and look. You would see Mac dominate at least 70% of the Starbuck table. Why is that??

Kurylo3d5840d ago (Edited 5840d ago )

cause pc people have lives outside of starbucks. Pc people also dont need to show off to a crowd of strangers their new mac laptop. Cause most pc people have a pc laptop for 600 dollars that can run crysis on very high... that mac laptop doesnt have a graphics card lol.

thewhoopimen5840d ago

Yeah I game 100% of the time. That's why I bought a computer in the first place /s

Seriously, does a graphics card really factor in when you need to sync your iphone to your mac or music on your iPod? Mac may only have 11% (btw it's 11%) of the PC market, but Apple ain't sweating with 70-80% of the music player market and 15-20% of the total cell phone market.

Like I said, the hate for a platform that does a great job for what you pay for... makes absolutely no sense. Did Apple come and rip your bum hole a new one Kuryo3D or xxyzx? What's the point of arguing pricing when you don't even need one?

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halojunkie5841d ago (Edited 5841d ago )

great article, hope it gets approved.

SOAD5841d ago

You slowly went from being a PS3 fan to a troll.

jordenkotor5841d ago

I love both. I love my iPod touch, and my iTunes. But I love my Windows PC as well. As long as they both keep releasing wonderful intriguing products, I'm with both of them

SpLinT5841d ago

nonsense! you must pick one and stick with them!

duplissi5841d ago

apple: overpriced constricting and proprietary but well made devices see: ipad....

microsoft: often late to the game with devices and features: see zune and windows 7, windows phone 7. spotty reliability: see xbox 360 and most versions of windows before win 7. but they do however strike gold every now and then and make highly compelling products: windows 7, xbox live, and the latest zune

while i dont particularly like either company ill probably go with microsoft's stuff over apple's stuff simply because apple is sooo freakin overpriced (zune hd 16 gb 179.99! ipod touch 8gb 199.99!) - perfect example....

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai30d ago (Edited 30d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio30d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing30d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster9230d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit30d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing30d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster9230d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay32d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn233d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers33d ago (Edited 33d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn232d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown32d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos33d ago (Edited 33d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay32d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay32d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac32d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger33d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300032d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde32d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood32d ago (Edited 32d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde32d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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'The big things that we're thinking about'

In an exclusive interview with Game File, new(ish) Xbox boss Asha Sharma and Xbox chief content officer Matt Booty explain their vision for Microsoft’s gaming division

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Agent7534d ago

A good start would be to release games to go with the console. My Xbox Series X has gathered dust virtually from launch. My advice would be to ditch a next console and release games on PC, PlayStation and Switch. Another idea would be a hybrid console based on Xbox Series X tech and go the same route as Nintendo. Another idea would be to pull out of gaming altogether. Plenty of options there.

Reaper22_31d ago

Why would they pull out? They have the momentum. Sony has been getting nothing but bad news lately.