hand/palm controller with trigger and joystick for Natal ???

.MS showed THIS http://www.youtube.com/watc... and said THAT's what natal is capable of.

since they have "too many" games for Natal, I think it's reasonable to expect we don't just get a bunch of dart, bowling, swatting balls or bugs, throwing paint on a wall type games and have THOSE games shown in the vid

the vid showed Natal has HD looking games for Fighting, Racing, Soccer (real time used for FIFA and PRO EVO), real time skate boarding and high end voice recognition abilities ALL in current gen HD graphics.

now, let's see if THAT's what they show at E3. My guess is, it ain't happening. They'll bring out hanna montana on stage acting like she's having "too much fun!" playing yet another version of richochet and ms will be deemed teh winner! prove me wrong at e3 ms, prove me wrong.

HL3 will debut on PC way before it debuts on consoles.

You don't know what Natal can do LOL STFU. All the previewers as of late say Nothing about the older concerns Natal seems vastly improved. Did you even read and understand his post? Microsoft said the will be a Natal attachment for more traditional games for Natal(like Wii and Move sub controllers) back around last E3.

I know what the human body can do though. Here and idea, hold you arm out for 45 minutes see how steady you are then. Plus try and write by sticking a pen to your arm, and now try it again with your fingers see which is better.

If I know nothing about what Natal can do, how come you do? Maybe you interpreted the results differently... I see it as it is, or slightly more pessimistically.. you on the other hand sugar coats it.

Yeah I understand that but there are videos of actual Natal footage that could be used. The promotional video is nothing but concept there is no actual Natal in that video so really it's not the first time you saw it. I'm not denying Natals potenial (although the vid is aiming waaay high) i'm just sick of seeing that vid pop up.

I like how in that burnout demo, people are just able to switch on the fly.

ok thanks ill put them up now :)