looks interesting

I am glad you guys love the article. I went to a lot fo work to get this...lol

a lot of websites are blocked at my work, but I cant wait to go home and check it out. The PS3 is looking better and better as we get close to launch. Its going to be awesome. Wait for them to show Warhawk, i bet thats going to drop some jaws cuz its gonna be sweet.

Mom today was the best day of my life. Let me tell you why? It started off slow very. Three & a half courtiers in the game and we’re both tide seven. It’s the middle of the forth courtier and it’s our ball we get stop on the 10 yard line. Now all game I haven’t received one catch MOM so it’s first down on the 10 yard line. And like that boom I’m wide open pass thrown to me, I get hit and do a 360 and almost cough up the game, till my friend picked the ball up and turned it in for the Touchdown. But it wasn't over yet because who ever scored the next touchdown won. So the very next play we kicked the ball off to there station. And all that’s in my mind at this time is to redeem my self from the fumble that almost cost us the game. People say I was running faster then ever and had this look on my face of DETERMINATION, as soon as, the ball touches his hands all you heard was Smack!!! I couldn't believe it. FUMBLE!!!! I got up so fast, rushed to the football, picked it up, and ran it in for the WIN... Wii Won Mom, Wii Won.

i was debating whether or not to respond to this article. i just KNEW that swarms console-war-comments were gonna flood the feedback. so far so good. its refreshing to see such civil discussion going on in a news thread. we should keep it this way. PS3>360? PS3<360? naw. they're BOTH good.

oh, and i'm glad someone posted the interview. i'd read it a short while ago but never posted it. glad to finally hear something positive about the PS3. can't wait to see this new technology being used on future renditions of MGS, God of War, Res Evil, GT etc.

currently I ahve posted on PS3land.com the videos for the GI. Here in about 3 hours I will have the 720p HD videos up for all of you to drool at.

After all it seems that the RSX could do a graet job of supporting development tools. With the Unreal engine, Pixelux and now this. Good job.

After all it seems that the RSX could do a graet job of supporting development tools. With the Unreal engine, Pixelux and now this. Good job.

Yeah the RSX matched up with the Cell allow for this to work I guess. He said that the only reason they brought the technology to platforms is because the PS3 is the only thing that can handle it.

There must be something Sony isn't telling us about the SPU's and RSX. I can't wait until TGS when they unvail the final specs on the RSX.

By the way, did you guys read the interview with Pixelux over at PS3land.com???

Also, just think, those videos that you get to watch are just the basic demos. Wait until you put this into a major game with complex scenes.!!!!

Could someone please tell me what is so impressive. Those videos barely look last gen. What is so impressive about them? If this earns bragging rights for the PS3 i don't want to see how the real games look. These vides are tech demos, not in game footage so they can do allot more detail than a real shot yet still lack any kind of wow factor.

is this the amazing power of the emotion chip at work?

yay PS2!

http://ps3forums.com/viewto...
chech dat out
u wil c some interesting interview
http://ps3forums.com/viewto...
we might c PS3 to be in 1 gig of ram rather than 512mb

PS3 is the most pwerful hardware
i like this qoute
PS3Land: In relation to #8, to what extent will the global illumination go on the PS3 hardware? Would something like a high end PC or perhaps the Xbox 360 run GI?

I can say that the PS3 is the very attractive to us, because it is the most powerful hardware that the target audience for our game is likely to own.

These kind of lighting effects typically take 10-30 minutes per frame in CG films (and that's without ray-traced shadows and reflections) so seeing this effect in realtime is staggering for me. I deal with 3D graphics every day, so trust me, it's a big leap.

The SPEs are extremely powerful are basically what make the PS3 the most powerful hardware (along with the RSX shader capabilities, whatever they happen to be). I'm glad that yet another technology developer has spent the time to reaffirm this information to the general public.

For those new to this kind of technology, click to this link. You'll see that without global illumination technology, scenes look unnatural (just like your typical videogame). Though usage of it is very math intensive and time-consuming, the results are definitely worth it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

If Fantasy Lab manages to improve this technology even more and enhance it for the SPEs, PS3 games that utilize this are going to amaze everyone.

"I think our combination of subdivision surfaces with displacement mapping is unique. It lets us render very complex geometry in a realistic way from any viewpoint. Computer graphics is about creating an illusion. If you see an object up close and it is obvious that it is rendered with normal-mapped polygons then you lose the illusion. Thereafter the viewer knows that the object is just some normal-mapped polygons and it no longer seems as real."

.......That's just awesome news, just no 'normal-mapping/bump-offset-ma pping' for the first time. Damn I knew true next-gen will start with PS3 alone. Thanks for going for it guys.

Thanks for breaking it down DJ, i was lost for a minute

Every company has its own way of doing lighing, shadows, physics, ect. Each company will boast out how there way is the best. When games are released using differenct techs, engines, and physics...then we can see which works the best. This isn't the only way to do global lighting folks.

PS3Land: In relation to #8, to what extent will the global illumination go on the PS3 hardware? Would something like a high end PC or perhaps the Xbox 360 run GI?

I can say that the PS3 is the very attractive to us, because it is the most powerful hardware that the target audience for our game is likely to own.

He asked could it run on a high end computer and 360. lol....the most powerful system for your target audience? lol....This is funny stuff. That was your prime oportunity to say NO it can't be run on a high end computer or 360. Or yes it can. Answer the question...lol...then you throw in...ps3 is the most powerful system for our target audience...whats that? Why not say ps3 is the most powerful system PERIOD? Why throw in the disclaimer? For our target audience. Well we know that high end pc's and 360's are for high end gamers. So whats your target audience for the ps3? lol.... Developers who develope for the 360 have no problem saying that the 360 is the most powerful system for games on the market. Why can't a dev for ps3 say the same thing? Why they throw in disclaimers? Hmmmmm...

I just want to hear Ps3 developers say the ps3 is best for games. They should if they believe it. There is nothing wrong with having supreme confindence in the console you develope games for. I want to hear that. It lets me know that there will be great games for the ps3. But every chance they get to say it they throw curve ball statements.

Nvidia....." I think the blu ray was a great move"....

GI.....I think the ps3 is the most powerful system for our target audience.

Whats with the ducking of questions? Nvidia what does blu ray have to do with you as a graphics card of choice for the ps3? Talk about how your RSX is better than the 360's GPU. ATI wasn't shy about producing numbers and comparing specs and saying clearly that the 360's GPU will outperform the ps3's GPU. Thats confidence. Sony fans need that. They are being asked to spend 600 dollars. Show some confidence in your product. Sure you can say sony and its devs don't need to boast. But they do. Core fans with money will spend the 600 with no problem But many need something besides name brand recognition for 600 dollars. Just my thoughts that stem from this article.

You are sick man. Please go get some help.

Do you need someone to talk to. Its just a form of entertainment, don't let it get to you man.

I know there are some great games on its way,but man did the first generation games suck.I was almost tempted to sale my 360. I belive the PS3 lunch games are better then the 360 lunch games, but that just my opinion. So when i do get my PS3 an it turn out to be this complete failure like you say it is, well so be it. Its my money in im going to spend it the way chose to.

i told u ppl real deal need some help
man that guy is 26 yrs old n he cry like b1tch
oh yeh by the way congratz real deal 1000 comments
24/7 30 sec u refresh d website ur a complete Retard who need mental hospital

I forgive you. I won't stoop to your level. I'm simply saying as a prospective ps3 buyer I want to hear developers say what 360 developers have been saying. Say the ps3 will have superior games. 360 developers have no problem saying the 360 is a much better platform for games. Thats all. I want so desperately to hear something good about the ps3. I want to want one. lol....lol....lol
I would hope any game that comes out a year after the 360's games to be better. If ps3 games aren't better than year old games then thats just bad. I would assume they would be. But in the same token, 360's games thusfar have been Good, to Great, to Outstanding. With a few mediocre games thrown in for good measure. If the ps3 is as powerful as some of yall say, then their launch games should not only be better than year old 360 games but they should be better than the next wave of games coming out in the same time period. Keep in mind, the ps3 was announced at the same time as the 360. E3 2005. Keep in mind they were both suppose to launch within a couple months of eachother. So delaying the ps3 only gives the devs more time to get the launch games ready. So yeah, if the launch games don't blow people away. Ps3 will get bashed in the media. Thats just the way it is. No body is going to say, oh well, it is the first gen games. Give it time. lol....NO. They have had time. No excuses. Lets all be witnesses to the power of the cell. lol....lol....lol

Dev's need to make money but also need to keep their REPS. Lieing about PS3's power would be foolish. Never mind [ghostface] he sounds like street trash and [superam]a flippin game troll, what kind of idiots hunt people down because of their opinion have nothing in common. I'v been reading and these idiots have became rabbid fanatics.

You are 100% right. I knew this I just wanted sony fans to come to that conclusion on their own. lol....But they can't think that deep into it. The reason why ATI, Microsoft, Carmack, Lee, and many others say consistantly the same things about the 360 outperforming the ps3 is because its true. If the ps3 out performs the 360 all their reputations would be tarnished. They know this and feel confident enough to still proclaim it. On the other hand Nvidia, GI, and other devs will not say the ps3 will out perform the 360 because that would make them look stupid when the games don't live up to the hype. So they only thing Nvidia will say is....Well it was a master stroke to have blu ray. lol...that has nothing to do with graphics. lol....and then you get GI avoiding the question all together. lol.... Its so obvious that they don't want to lie and put their reps on the line. lol.... Good point Redmond Boyzz. Some of these Sony fanatics just don't get it. I can't wait for the ps3 to launch...lol...lol

It's you that needs to check in an mental hospital. What kind of fool day after day has hunted people down. You and Karibu, The truth, Superam, have an actual hit list, for people that don't agree with you. It's a forum move on and stop reading "The Real Deals" post if you hate them. And you call other people crazzy. lol

I don't understand those side by side pics, one looks clean and the other sandy, is the on that's sand looking reflecting the sand? and by judging the clean troll it don't look metalic and should'nt be reflecting in the first place. lol games like Forza2 and Test drive do enough reflecting real time. I wonder if cheifs visor will the only thing in H3 that will have that complex of real time prossesing

It has to do with light physics. In real life, if you have a white table and place a bright red paper on that table, you'll notice that the color of the paper affects the color of the immediate area of the table (shades of red appear on the white surface). This is called radiosity (or indirect bouncing of light).

Radiosity is VERY VERY computationally expensive, and even high-end animation studios cheat their way around it in order to save time and money. I specialize in 3D graphics/animation, so this example applies. I had a scene that rendered within 10 minutes without radiosity. With radiosity, I spent 87 hours waiting for a 720p frame to finish (with ray-traced shadows and reflections). But the difference in image quality is definitely worth it. Videogame graphics vs. High-end CG graphics. What you're seeing with this technology is that the light cast by the sun is illuminating the sand and the character, but the light doesn't just stop at the first surface it hits. Some of it gets absorbed, while some of it bounces off into a different direction...hits something else, loses more strength, repeat. That's why the character's skin has a sandy tint to it. They simply exxagerated the effect so that customers can see the immediate results.

BTW R.D., taking the word of John Carmack, ATI, and Microsoft 1st and 2nd party developers (who have absolutely no PS3 development experience) about how superior the 360 is performance-wise is pretty foolhardy. It's like asking a plumber for professional advice on Network Servers.

PS3's specs isn't a secret DJ. Any pro can take what sony has presented and do a real world comparisson. Those guys are experts in games and developement and have been leading the video game industry for years. Its not one or two people. Its many developers. There is more disc space with the blu ray. OK. We know this. But less ram that can be allocated for graphics and textures. Ok, we know that. The 360 has more flexible general purpose power than the ps3. Ok, we know that. And the ps3 has more floating point processing power. Ok, we know that. So now its about the devs and the games they can make. Both systems can do physics either using Havoc or Ageia physics. There is advantages to floating point processing and there is advantages to more general purpose processing. There is advantages of having more memory bandwith with the 360 and there is advantages of having more disc space with the blu ray. We can go back and forth. But the games will be the deciding factor. And I wish both consoles well.

Microsoft and its developers know what Sony has to offer and Sony knows what Microsoft has to offer. They do this for a living. They both won't say anything that they don't feel confident about. They both know anything they say will be annalized and examined. So I listen carefully to what Sony and Microsoft say. I read between the lines cause they both can be tricky in their wording. And the both make sure what they say can be backed. I'm just waiting for sony to say..."the ps3 will outperform the 360 with games." Or even Nvidia or first party devs for sony. Anyone from sony's side. If you believe in your product let us know. But instead they say things we already know. Ps3 has the advantage of having the hard drive in every unit so games can use it to cache. Ok...360 games do that too. If it doesn't see a hard drive is connected. It won't use it to cache. But if it detects it...it uses it. Then sony or its devs will say stuff like...blu ray holds more data for games. Okay...we know this. But will it make the games better is what I want to know. Yeah, it will have bigger and better hd cutscenes I would suppose...but the games. I mean...Oblivion is a 200 hour game. And Enchanted Arm is a 50 hour game. Thats about all most gamers need. Me, I like 15 hour games. I actually like beating games. I don't like playing a game for months and never beating it. lol.... Most gamers i would assume get massive enjoyment from beating a game. A movie is 2 hours of entertainment for 20 dollars. So a game for 60 dollars should realistically be at least 6 hours of entertainment to get full value. And if its also online multiplayer that extends the experience by many hours.

Specs don't tell the entire story. The SPEs can outperform the best GPUs on certain tasks, despite clocking in a smaller amount of flops. Like I said, no one but Sony, nVidia, and PS3 developers know what the final RSX is, and only they know what the PS3 is capable of. The 360 is worthless with branch prediction (and can't even look up branch hints like in Cell), and yet its games have AI. Still think Specs tell the full picture?
They simply give a nice approximation. BTW, i'm amazed that after all the links and posts you still post wrong information about the PS3 AND 360. The 360's system bandwidth is 16 Gb/s. The PS3's system bandwidth is 35 Gb/s. Get that straight, especially since you're so mouthy about spreading the truth. You might as well live up to your words.

The Ed-ram is not part of system bandwidth; it is frame buffer bandwidth since that's the only thing that it's capable of, and not perfectly well either since frames at 720p need to be chopped up and tiled in order to fit in the 10 Mb of Ed-Ram. The SPEs can compute General Purpose code as well (90% as well as G5 processors clocked at the same speed. And the Power Processors in the 360 are simply in-order G5s with enhanced VMX cores). And about 80% of execution time on the CPU (for games) is spent on floating-point intensive data such as physics, graphics, and particles. PS3 excels at this, 360...nowhere near as much. The 360 however will run your word documents hella fast .

Xbox 360 has 278.4 GB/s of memory system bandwidth. The PS3 has less than one-fifth of Xbox 360's (48 GB/s) of total memory system bandwidth.

http://xbox360.ign.com/arti...

Bandwidth
The PS3 has 22.4 GB/s of GDDR3 bandwidth and 25.6 GB/s of RDRAM bandwidth for a total system bandwidth of 48 GB/s.

The Xbox 360 has 22.4 GB/s of GDDR3 bandwidth and a 256 GB/s of EDRAM bandwidth for a total of 278.4 GB/s total system bandwidth.

http://xbox360.ign.com/arti...

The PS3 uses Z and color compression to try to compensate for the lack of memory bandwidth. The problem with Z and color compression is that the compression breaks down quickly when rendering complex next-generation 3D scenes.

HDR, alpha-blending, and anti-aliasing require even more memory bandwidth. This is why Xbox 360 has 256 GB/s bandwidth reserved just for the frame buffer. This allows the Xbox 360 GPU to do Z testing, HDR, and alpha blended color rendering with 4X MSAA at full rate and still have the entire main bus bandwidth of 22.4 GB/s left over for textures and vertices.

Believe some guy named DJ who claims to know about the 360 and post numbers with no links...or the professionals at IGN, Microsoft, and ATI....I think I will believe the pro's dude. Sorry if that offends you. I don't mean to. But I do have a choice on who I believe. Right? Sure you...DJ...can say that the number are lies. But If I were to have an educated guess. I would assume that a fanboy would lie about numbers than the people who made the consoles. Especially since MS and ATI have to be held accountable for the numbers they produce. No one knows or cares about what DJ thinks. I'm not being mean either. No one would care what I think either. Thats why I post facts from the pro's. Sure you disagree. They aren't favorable for your system of choice. I can understand you not wanting to see the truth for what it is. So lets not get into this all over again. I believe the pro's. Not DJ when it comes to numbers. OK? No offense. Just being honest. You could be some kid playing on the computer. You could be a grown man. I don't know. And I don't care. But don't expect people to believe you with no links to support your number comparissons. I'm just being real with you.

The PS3 does have the additional 7 DSPs on the Cell to add more floating point ops for graphics rendering, but the Xbox 360's three general purpose cores with custom D3D and dot product instructions are more customized for true graphics related calculations.

The Xbox 360 processor was designed to give game developers the power that they actually need, in an easy to use form. The Cell processor has impressive streaming floating-point power that is of limited use for games.

The majority of game code is a mixture of integer, floating-point, and vector math, with lots of branches and random memory accesses. This code is best handled by a general purpose CPU with a cache, branch predictor, and vector unit.

The Cell's seven DSPs (what Sony calls SPEs) have no cache, no direct access to memory, no branch predictor, and a different instruction set from the PS3's main CPU. They are not designed for or efficient at general purpose computing. DSPs are not appropriate for game programming.

http://xbox360.ign.com/arti...

I'm still going to say...it will be decided with the games. Come this Christmas what console will have the most impressive games. Fans will go to there local EB games, Game Crazy, Walmart and see the games and play the games side by side and only then will any of these number comparissons mean anything. It all begins and ends with the games.

Can't mods do something to The Real Deal??
It's getting hella annoying him spreading all that BS.

I'm sorry if my links bother you. I'm only posting facts and if it rubs you the wrong way. Move on. lol...I wouldn't have posted any of it if DJ hadn't lied about numbers with no links. I posted numbers and facts...WITH LINKS to counter his mis information. Get it? Got it? Good. Now lets move on. I made my point. With me the TRUTH will always prevail. And if it ruffles a few feathers...well, thats not my problem. I just don't want people actually taking fanboys words as facts. I post from what the Pro's say. Not fanboys.

You're not posting facts. DJ have already proven you wrong... so has MANY OTHER PEOPLE TOO!!
Biggest problem is, you don't understand what you copy&paste, and you don't even consider possibility of them being false if they are from MS or ATI.

DJ hadn't say anything what would have given you right post that all BS again. You brought the BS, DJ corrected it.

You see, you can't copy&paste stuff if you don't have even slightes hunch what it's about.
You just make yourself idiot in eyes of others and there isn't even so little man in you that you could say you were wrong.

May Allah be with you.

I agree with Karibu, The REAL DEAL is starting to anoy with his stupid post and biased comments. I really think this guy needs proffesional help, cause he takes games too seriusly. He spend most of his time here. Posting biased comments only he believes. If you post something about him he ripost saying he FORGIVE US FOR BEING STUPIDS!!. He talks about religion and use it to prevent people who doesnt agree with his comments. ITS UP TO US. If you dont like it spam it. Im getting tired of this guy and his 100 comments per news. Im tired of his arrogance. Im tired of hearing this a$$hole he is a video gamer, and a future PS3 owner. Im tired of his 6 360, 6 plasma tv,and his harem. Im tired that when a good article about the PS3 is posted this guy started with his biased comments, and then said he is a gamer and he knows bulls#3t about the PS3. IM TIRED OF THE REAL DEAL!!. If you are a PS FAN IGNORE THIS INCREDIBLE A$$HOLE OF A MAN. AS THIS MORON SAID: "GET IT? GOT IT? GOOD LOL. And Real Deal I dont want your forgiveness so Shut THE FK!!!!

1st of all were not here to read ur facts Real deal ppl come here to Read n post a comment not write a Facts u get dat

you said u always prevail of course u wil all u do go n search a facts or article dat mks ps3 SUCKS dude nobody cares about ur facts bro so beat it
30 sec u refresh this site 24/7 damn 1000 comments those numbers damn.... GeT a Life

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don't listen to the fony kids. keep doing what you are doing. i love tha way u always have links to support everything u say unlike dj and others. they are just mad cause u state facts that make their ps3 look like crap. i haven't heard u once say the ps3 is crap. good work. we appreciate what u do even if sony fans don't. they have sony 2 blame 4 that. kudos. u r the real deal.

Real Deal has been quoting IGN.com's Xbox page, which contains a document that Microsoft released to counter the PS3's specs at E3 05. He conveniently left out the most important information on that page.
http://xbox360.ign.com/arti...
" It's 3:30 pm on Friday, May 20, the last day of E3. The fine PR folks from Microsoft, who invited us to their headquarters a week before E3 to show us their system, their specs, and the grand design behind their powerful new Xbox 360, have just sent us an urgent notice to update our specs with new information. Earlier in the day, we were sent a comparative analysis of the Xbox 360's power vs. the PlayStation 3's power.

We decided to put this Microsoft-provided information up undigested. Thus, enclosed is a Microsoft-made comparitive analysis. We have not altered, added, or tinkered with the data. We have not interpreted the specs. We have cut and pasted this information from the email into our site and formatted it. Make of it what you will, but be clear we know Microsoft has clearly slanted this info, and we're not endorsing it, just printing their version. There is a difference."

Even IGN.com says that the information has been slanted by Microsoft. They simply pasted what Microsoft released, and do not endorse it or agree with it in any way. Now that IGN is obviously out of the picture, that cuts the RealDeal's reputable sources down to just ATI and Microsoft, both of whom would never admit that the 360 is inferior in any way.

real deal, the only comparison anybody is ever gonna need is between 'Gran Turismo 4' and 'Forza'. GT4 being running on emotion without any dedicated GPU while Forza running on a much faster CPU and a dedicated GPU, and GT4 still leading much ahead even upto 700 cars count. You can see if you account for any hardware specialities, it doesn't matter Sony. They are hardware vendors so they know every twists and turns of it. They can produce the same effects from a few 100 MHz that other companies might need GHzs to accomplish. god of war, colossus and the same running quality of burnout revenge on both xbox and ps2 are indicative of that. THE VERY SAME CAN BE SAID ABOUT PS3 VS 360, but you know this time PS3 leads, as devs have spoken themselves !

lol...thats hilarious. I'm the only guy on here who don't call people names. I'm the only guy on here who posts links to support everything I say. you can call my links biased...you can call them lies. But they are links and they do support what I say. All of you are fanboys. As am I. We all have opinions...as do I. But what I do that you guys don't. Is support what I say with links. you don't have to like the links. But they come from the pros. Not a fanboy telling us what he thinks of the numbers but yet has no clue on what the numbers mean. lol.... Of course you have a problem with Microsoft stating what many developers have already said. The 360 is better for games. Does that make you mad? Does that bother you. Do you think to yourself..." OMG, it can't be true...sony is the best...No way...MS is lying...Carmack is lying....everyone is lying.....its impossible....no way can it be true....real deal stop it...stop posting your FACTS with links to BACK. It can't be true. Its not possible. NOOOOOOOOO MS sucks. Thats all you guys do. I don't bash the ps3. I don't say it sucks. Now if you get that impression from the numbers. Thats on you. But I don't say that...YOu guys are all guilty of bashing the 360. Not with facts...but your own made up concepts of the truth. lol....I would have no problem if you posted facts from Nvidia claiming the ps3 is more powerful than the 360. I would love that. I would have no problem with you posting facts from SONY saying the cell is more powerful than the tri core of the 360. I would welcome that. I would much much much rather that then DJ making numbers up with no links. lol.... So once again. I forgive any of you who has called me a name. And i only bring God into when you guy call me names. I'm not going to ever stoop to you guys level of name calling. I love God too much. And if that offends you. I'm sorry. Lets keep it informative and stop with the bashing. I am a prospective ps3 owner. I have the right to question Sony on its moves and decisions. If you don't like it. Don't comment on my posts. And LuvforSony...thanks. I do it for the majority of people looking for all sides and information. You can read the links and get informed and decide who and what to believe.

But it won't happen because they already know. They just keep repeating themselves with....well it was a master stroke to have the blu ray...lol...are you serious....sony is really hoping for their companies sake that blu ray is adopted as a formatt. So much so they put it in there console and hope people buy the ps3 to also play their blu ray movies. lol...."WE WANT GAMES"...."WE WANT THE BEST NEXT GEN GAMES"....Thank you Microsoft for delivering. 50 titles in 7 months that all got GOOD, GREAT, AND OUTSTANDING RATINGS from the number one gaming site...IGN...Even though they have a tendancy to give games lower rating than other sites...they gave NCAA a 7.5 and every other site gave it 8's and 9's...So they are definatly not biased towards MS...

I just haven't read what you are saying. I have heard...blu ray is a master stroke from Nvidia...lol....blu ray is a formatt...is has absolutely nothing to do with graphics or next gen gameplay...lol....and the other comment was the ps3 is the most powerful platform for our target audience...lol...what in the world is that? lol...then you look at the tech demos and it looks like a shrek wanna be game...what target audience is that? lol....Why not just say the ps3 is more powerful....why throw in the target audience part....oh, i know...to cover you azz so no one points out...dude you said...but your games don't look nearly as good as Gears of War, or Halo 3. Be bold...don't cover your butt with a comment about target audience...Carmack clearly stated that the 360 is better for games. He didn't say its better for my games...he didn't say its better for games for my target audience...he said plain and simple like many other devs have said. 360 is better for games. If you want me to start posting links again and quoting developers...I can. Just give me the word...otherwise let it go dude....We will all know soon enough. Like I have said. All this don't matter. When the ps3 launches we can compare the launch games to the current next gen games from MS. Then the truth will be told and clear.

We already know that most people are going to compare PS3 launch titles to 2nd-gen 360 titles. Gears of War looks pretty good from the screenshots I've seen. You have two games that you're looking forward to (you mention Gears of War and Halo), and we have...i dunno, 20 or 30 that we're excited about? There's nothing wrong with that. Looks like everybody wins.

he dont need to list them we dont wanna make you feel bad

there's no 100% guarentee that they're going to be Spectacular, but I'm anxiously looking forward to see how the end results turn out.

Motorstorm
Warhawk
Resistance:Fall of Man
Heavenly Sword
Eye of Judgement
Stranglehold (also on 360)
Medal of Honor (also on 360)
Sonic (on the 360 as well)
Brothers in Arms: Hell's Highway (also on 360)
Assassin's Creed (only confirmed for PS3)
Grand Theft Auto 4 (360 title as well)
Final Fantasy 13
Final Fantasy Versus 13
Metal Gear Solid 4
Untitled Naughty Dog IP (it's still nameless)
Ratchet and Clank
Devil May Cry 4 (small preview at TGS 2005)
Vision GT
Resident Evil 5 (on 360 too)
Army of Two
Heavy Rain
War-devil
LAIR
Eight Days
Getaway
Killzone 3 (Killzone 2 is on PSP)

Yeah, that's 26 PS3 games that I'm excited about. Which reminds me, Burnout was already insane on the PS2. Can imagine what it'll be like on the PS3? o_o' Probably keep dying from staring at the visuals too long =P.

so, 19 of them are only on Playstation 3. At least we get to share those seven. BTW, Ubisoft has only announced Assassin's Creed for the PS3. I know, many people have been claiming it's coming to the 360 (at least that's what they hope, and rightfully so 'cause it's awesome). But until the day Ubisoft officially announces it as a multiplatform game, it's an exclusive title.

No DJ. We have more than 2 games we are looking foward to. See its comments like that, that make me do this. These are the games we are looking foward to THIS YEAR DJ. lol...this isn't counting 2007. lol...

Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell Double Agent

Dead Rising

Madden NFL 07

Ninety-Nine Nights

Saints Row

WWE SmackDown! vs. RAW

Gears of War

Call of Duty 3

Tony Hawk's Project 8

Test Drive Unlimited

Just Cause

NHL 07

Need for Speed Carbon

Kane & Lynch: Dead Men

The Godfather

NBA 2K7

Superman Returns: The Videogame

Fuzion Frenzy 2

NHL 2K7

Frontlines: Fuel of War

NBA Live 07

TimeShift

Fable 2

Resident Evil 5

Marvel: Ultimate Alliance

Half-Life 2: Episode Two

Enchanted Arms

Winning Eleven: Pro Evolution Soccer

Mass Effect

FIFA Soccer 07

Dead or Alive Xtreme 2

Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas

Samurai Warriors 2

Bomberman: Act Zero Action

Rayman Raving Rabbids

Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07

Forza Motorsport 2

World Series of Poker: Tournament of Champions

Sonic the Hedgehog

Spider-Man 3

Star Trek: Legacy

Brothers In Arms Hell's Highway

Blue Dragon

Huxley

F.E.A.R.

Bullet Witch

Two Worlds

DIRT: Colin McRae Off-Road

Lost Planet

Clive Barker's Jericho

LEGO Star Wars II:

Medal of Honor: Airborne

Viva Pinata

Army of Two

Turok

Crackdown

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles

Phantasy Star Universe

Virtua Tennis 3

Pimp My Ride

Def Jam 3

The Lord of the Rings, The White Council

Too Human

Tenchu 360

Lumines Live! Puzzle

Kingdom Under Fire: Circle of Doom

Mobile Ops: The One Year War

Golden Axe

Texas Hold 'Em Casino

Eragon

Shutokou Battle X

Alan Wake

Marvel MMORPG

The Darkness

Elveon

Alone in the Dark

Battlestations:

BioShock

Stranglehold

Lost Odyssey

Shadowrun

GTR GT

Indiana Jones

Overlord

Haze

APB Modern

Cabela's Alaskan Adventure Hunting

Return to Castle Wolfenstein

Pirates of the Caribbean 3

Vampire's Rain

Transformers

Armored Core 4

Blitz: The League Football

Dance Dance Revolution Universe

Magna Carta 2

Fear & Respect

Dark Sector

College Hoops 2K7
Killing Day

Robotron: 2084

King of Fighters: Maximum Impact 360

Grand Raid Offroad

Every Party Party

F.E.A.R. 2

Cabela's African Safari

Sega Rally Revo Rally

Way of the Samurai Online

FlatOut

and one of them, Killing Day, was only announced as a PS3 title at E3 '05. Unless you have proof that it's also on the 360. I'm glad you were excited enough about the Xbox Live Arcade titles to put them on that list as well. Says a lot about Microsoft's online service.

This year for the 360...sometimes it gets overwhelming. If I missed some...forgive me. Did I get Saints Row or Ninety Nine Nights? I have played both for free and they both blow away the games from launch. Microsoft just keeps out doing themselves. I can't wait to play the next wave of next gen games. Oh, I forgot Heavy Rain and
War-devil. But they arn't confirmed for this year..I don't think.

Xbox live arcade is exciting. I check it every day for new content to download. Its great...And at gamespot.com all the titles I mention are confirmed as coming to the 360. I only mention the ones coming out soon. You see even though some of them will be ported to the ps3. You never know. Many have been getting cancelled as of late. Don't be surprised if you see more 360 games to be ported to the ps3 get cancelled for the ps3. Its a new trend. with at most only 2 or 3 million ps3's sold by the end of the year...its just not economical for game companys to make games on the ps3 when the 360 will have 10 million at the rate its going by the same time. Its all about money...and MS has the market share right now. And the easiest system to develope for and its not as expensive to make games for the 360 as it is for the ps3. Its all good.

besides Endless Saga has been cancelled for the PS3? I didn't know one incident counted as a trend. Sony intends to sell 4 million PS3's by the end of the year.

i see you are still living in your dream world

The microsoft didn't sell one xbox in japan how sad.

It's a good read that puts everything into perspective with numerous quotes from game developers.
http://www.gwn.com/articles...

They said that before they pushed back their blu ray drive to october and before the coninual low yields of the cell. But its cool. Its always good to shoot high...It will never post on this site again if they sell 4 million by the end of the year. I just don't see them producing that many with the problems they have been having. I give sony a 50 percent chance of pushing the launch back. But they may keep with it. It should be interesting. And I'm interested to see the games that will launch with the ps3. people will wait if there aren't any system sellers. Resistance looks to be a decent fps but its not being hyped as a system seller. And its still not confirmed for launch...Right now its just Sonic and Full auto. I'm sure there will be more. But how many?

5 million 360's sold the fastest. as of June. Every quarter the sales have gone up. Quarter 4...2005 1.3 million. Quarter 1...2006 1.7 million Quarter 2....2006 1.8 million sold. The momentum is building and thats without Gears of War, Mass Effect, Saints Row, fable 2, Forza 2 and more still coming this year. You would think the sales would be going down the closer we get to the ps3 launch for those playing the wait and see game. But people aren't waiting. Every quarter the sales have went up. WOW. So we can expect.... 2 plus million every quarter now that there isn't a a supply problem. 2 quarters left with BIG games to drop and Christmas. 10 million easy. lol....

For the 360 to only hit 8 million that would mean that the sales would have to drop to 1.5 million every quarter from July to December 31st. lol....Thats with Gears of War and other system sellers on the way...lol....Even if sales stay the same with the big titles to come...the 360 would hit 9 million. That would mean no spike in sales with the exclusive titles and Christmas bundles. lol...What ever MS ships. Will sell. And they plan on shipping 10 to 12 million by the end of the year. Sony plans on shipping 4 million but they will experience what MS did first hand. When you launch worldwide its easier said then done. No way can they get 4 million consoles delievered. lol.....

lol....12 is what ms wants to sell...lol...they shoot high...just like sony wants to sell 4 million. I believe it will be 10 million 360's and 2 million ps3's. 3 million MAX if things go well. I just don't see 3 million in the cards for the ps3.

LOL!! when xbox came in town i was like oh sh*t it`s better than ps2 cuz graphics were a little polished.But later we all know what happend.So,let`s give up comparing both machines now eh..by November when both will be avaible,then experts will do that just like last generation..and i keep saying this Tokya Game Show is the come back for Sony..wait and see

Has Heavy Rain been confirmed as a 360 title? I personally loved Indigo Prophecy, and so will probably buy darn near anything Quantic Dreams makes on faith alone. Although I'll be getting it for PS, they really need to move as many units as possible. IP's sales, sadly, sucked :(.

lol u are all talking as if the ps3 is on shop shelves already. we have no idea what the ps3 games will look like just some gameplay videos.

we have no idea how many ps3 will sell. xbox360 has had it easy for the past 8-9 months with no competition whatsoever and they still can't outsell the ps2.

ps3 will sell very well in japan and europe like the ps consoles have the last 2 generations.
x360 has sold very well in USA and reasonably well in europe but nothing spectacular. japan was a complete failure hehe.

i dont want x360 or ps3 to fail as it will only be bad for the customer in the end. competition is good for all. it brings prices down, makes the publishers and every1 involved work that bit harder to succeed.

If ps3 fails i dont wanna know what'll happen. M$ will hike up the prices and try to corner off the market like they have done with their software business. Then you'll see the ugly side of M$ fazing out all competition just so it doesnt have to work that hard.

As consumers we should be routing for both sides to succeed. If one fails we will see what happens when there is no competition.

my point is it`s useless arguing now..c u november and some of u are gonna cry for a second time again lol! u take this issua too serious as if it was ur dad`s business hahahaha

You said....

we have no idea how many ps3 will sell. xbox360 has had it easy for the past 8-9 months with no competition whatsoever and they still can't outsell the ps2.

You lie like many other sony fans....the 400 dollar 360 easily outsold the 135 dollar ps2...lol....

Total number of Xbox 360s sold:

Total: 5 million units (as of the end of June 2006)
Quarterly Data
Q4 2005, 1.5 million units
Q1 2006, 1.7 million units
Q2 2006, 1.8 million units

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

PlayStation 2 hardware didn't fare as well, dropping from 2.5 million units at this time last year to 1 million units. Software for PS2 dropped from 35 million to 33 million units.

http://ps3.ign.com/articles...

is it me or does the real deal allways advertise his 360? u must love it to bits, i bet u bill gates gave u a hand job. this is about fantasy labs and theur new software for the ps3 and look where it went off to ps3 comapring against the 360.

remeber wheat happened in the motorstrom trailer over 1000 usless comments.

I was commenting on a lie that was told by Seafort. Caps lock, Reading is fundamental.

PS2 dropped from 35 million to 33 million software units sold. lol...lol....lol

So that means on the average a typical SONY Fanboy buys 3 games a year. lol.... Are you serious? For the past 2 years sony fanboys have only bought 3 games a year. No wonder why Gods of War and Grand Tourismo 4 didn't sell well. What are sony fan boys doing with their 103 million consoles? lol....

Are casual gamers. Now the big question. Will Casual gamers spend 600 dollars when they only buy 3 games a year or less. Will they spend 3 times the amount on a console than they did last gen. With most consumers buyting the ps2 when the price was 200 and under. We will see. We will see. lol

That doesn't Show what the PS2 sold. Give me a link that the 360 sold more than the PS2.

That doesn't Show what the PS2 sold. Give me a link that the 360 sold more than the PS2.

Read the links. The ps2 sold 1 million in the last quarter. The 360 sold 1.8 million in the last quarter. lol....And If you read the link it says that ps2 sales have been dropping. Thats why they did the price drop to 135. And even with the price drop it still only squeezed out 1 million consoles in 3 months. lol....lol....lol Which I think is still good but you can't compare it to the 360 which sold double and with 3 times the cost damn near. lol....Just don't compare. And not only are sales falling for the 135 dollar ps2...but sony fans aren't even buying games as a WHOLE. 3 games a year for the past two years. Thats horrible.

Sony cited continued research and development costs in efforts to meet the goal of six million PS3 units shipped by March 31, 2007.

That means their goal is to ship 1.2 million ps3's a month. Thats their goal. So they hope to have 2 million ps3's sold by the end of this year according to their newly released numbers. So like I said...360 will have 10 million sold by the end of the year and ps3 might have 2 million if things go well. lol....
http://ps3.ign.com/articles...

Resistance: Fall of Man
Warhawk
MotorStorm
Formula One 06
Ridge Racer 7
Bladestorm
Fatal Inertia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

Full Auto
Sonic the Hedgehog
Marvel: Ultimate Alliance
Call of Duty 3
Stranglehold

Sony still has the total video games market share at about 50-60%. Its the xbox console that has to do the catching up not the playstation.

selling 5 million consoles now is nothing considering there was no other new console out at the time and still isnt.

Once Nintendo Wii and Sony PS3 are released i expect the X360 quarterly sales to drop considerable. Thats when the real test will come for the x360 console. Trying to compete with not 1 but 2 new consoles on the market.

I don't have an x360 yet and i wont buy one until there is games worth a purchase. Atm the only games that peek my interest are gears of war and mass effect. Mass effect is not out till 2007 so i have time yet.
The rest i can get for PC or i'm not bothered about them.
I will be getting Wii at launch tho so wont be without a new console.
The PS3 is too expensive atm. Sony cant sell a games console with alterior motives i.e. blu-ray format. it just doesnt work.
I do see them succeeding tho. They have the support from developers so i dont see why they shouldnt.

Only seven SPEs are active; the eighth is redundant, to improve yield. If one of the eight has a manufacturing defect, it is disabled without rendering the entire unit defective. Additionally, one of the seven active SPEs is reserved for use by the system's OS, leaving six SPEs directly available to applications.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

You said.......Once Nintendo Wii and Sony PS3 are released i expect the X360 quarterly sales to drop considerable. Thats when the real test will come for the x360 console. Trying to compete with not 1 but 2 new consoles on the market.

See, I think that there are 24 million xbox owners waiting to get there hands on the new 360. I think whatever MS ships will sell easily. I think that with the ps3 being 600 with very little must have games to launch with....and over 150 xbox 360 games out at the same time....I think sales will continue to go up. If the ps3 was the same price as the 360 then I could see it being more competitive...but with the ps3 shortages likely to come and the 360 must have titles to be out this holiday....lol...Things look real lovely for Microsoft this holiday season and beyond. We shall see though....But I believe the worst MS could do is sell 24 million. With the 360 core being the same price as the xbox was when it launched. Its an easy transition for budget gamers. And I'm sure MS has bundles coming with possible price drops...

Can tell you how many SONY only friends they have that now want a 360. I have about 8 friends that only bought the ps2 that either already picked up a 360 or plan to get one soon. So you take into account the 24 million that will get the 360 from the original xbox owners. Then all those guys that have a friend or two that only bought sony but now want a 360. lol.....It should be interesting.

PS3 doesn't have the developer support of the 360 either because of the vast costs of developing for PS3, coupled with developers having to provide their own servers for online play (MS provides free connection to their huge Live servers for online 360 play).

We now see games being cancelled and developers having problems getting multi-platform games to run properly on PS3 development units.

All these Sony fanboy's are doing a lot of wishful thinking and hoping. All they do is talk sh*t people can have the facts and it won't make a bit of a difference. These are the same loony Sony fanboy's that were probly attacking people for saying the PS3 was going to be delayed. It's you "DJ", "Karibu", "gametime", "cap lock", that spead this BS lies to comfort you're selfs for the purchase you're going to make. It was bad enough for Sony that Microsoft got their system out months ahead of time, including for the holiday season. That is hard to fight against. If MS has a year for their Xbox360 to pick up market share before the PS3 is launched, Microsoft has won this battle without question. Too bad it is too late now for Sony to cut their losses and swap in the DVD format and support blu-ray add-ons in the future.

The 360 has SOLD 5 million as of June. 1.8 million sold the last quarter compared to Sony ps2's one million sold. lol....The links clearly state SOLD. Not shipped. Nice try but people can read buddy. No one believes what DJ says. They read the links for themselves and come to the obvious conclusion.
The 360 is 3 times the cost of the ps2 and is outselling the ps2 by 2x. lol....all 3 links confirm what I have stated. Two of the links say SOLD 5 million. SOLD a record setting 1.8 million in the last quarter. lol....

http://ps3.ign.com/articles...

http://www.gameshout.com/ne...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

"The game division's greatest loss spawns from the charges associated with the start-up of the next-gen PlayStation 3. Sony cited continued research and development costs in efforts to meet the goal of six million PS3 units shipped by March 31, 2007. Sony also said it plans to continue to support and ship PS2s, with a goal of 10-11 million PS2 units shipping during the same period."

So, the PS2 is doing great! Thanks for the link dude. With such high development costs for the PS3 during this transitional period, it makes sense for the profit in their games division to go down.

that game sites aren't always 'professional' and screw up a LOT. Microsoft's official statement is "5 million shipped", as shown here.
http://news.digitaltrends.c...
"As part of its fourth quarter financial filings, Microsoft Corporation claims it shipped 1.8 million Xbox 360 gaming systems during the quarter, bringing the total number of Xbox 360 units shipped to over 5 million.

At the beginning of its fiscal 2006 year, Microsoft said it hoped to ship between 4.5 and 5.5 million Xbox 360 systems during the year, and the company was on target with a total of 5 million units shipped: 1.5 million units during the product's second-quarter launch, 1.7 million during the third quarter, and 1.8 million to wrap up the year.

Microsoft has also said that it hopes have moved 10 million Xbox 360 consoles by the time Sony's Playstation 3 gaming system begins shipping in November 2006."

You don't understand the video game market buddy. The reason why the first to 10 million wins...is because when a developer hears....10 million consoles sold......you can see the dollar signs in their eyes. Then you get developers choosing to make more games for the bigger install base because its more profitable. Then with that comes more consumers. You see, games sell consoles. The more games that people want to play, the more consoles are sold. 10 million is the magic number for developers. Developers make games. Games sell consoles. Ps2 sold 40 million copies of GTA games. Thats a prime example of games selling systems. With less exclusive titles and a video game console thats 200 dollars more than its competition....it becomes clear. Most sony ps2 owners bought the ps2 when it was under 200 dollars. 200 dollars is the difference between the ps3 and the 360. lol.... And 3rd party games that consumers want to play is coming to both consoles. And as it seems....they are ported from the 360 to the ps3. lol.... Interesting indeed.

5 million sold as of the end of June. 6 months to go and no more shortages. Yes. Why not be happy for the 360? Why downplay it? lol.... If the ps3 meets its goal of 6 million sold by the end of March...I will be happy for them. I won't find a link that says shipped and get all upset about it. Good for sony to sell that much if they can reach that goal. Thats 1.2 million a month. Thats 2 million by the end of the year. Thats if everything goes according to sonys plan. Good luck. lol....lol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

http://www.gameshout.com/ne...

You suddenly changed your argument since it fell apart. Now it's "ten million software units sold" instead of hardware units? I already disproved you in the hardware arena. Come on, give it up. Less exclusive titles than the 360? There's 208 PS3 game developers right now, and a lot of those are producing titles with secretive names.

http://www.ps3portal.com/so...

First of all...I gave two links. One from wik and the other from MS. I gave two links supporting the 5 million sold.

Secondly I never said software. I said the first system to 10 million consoles sold has the advantage with developers. Its dollar signs in their eyes. Which leads to developers choosing the console with the bigger base firstly due to profit margins. Which means more games for that system. Games sell consoles. More games equals the continue lead that the system has obtained. Read DJ. You are dissappointing me. You are normally a little sharper than this. Even though you tend to be misinformed. lol.....

Now he believes an encyclopedia is lying. lol.....Ok..you have lost all cred now. Before they update WIK...there verify the info as facts. They research it and at the bottom of the document they list their sources for their facts. Lol.... YOu have lost it bud...

good job with presenting facts to combat the spreading of lies by sony fanboys. you come through again. dj and other sony fanboys obiously have trouble handling the truth. complete denial even when u present clear facts with multiple links. kudos real deal.

I do what I do. I just want people to know the truth. If the truth benefits MS. So be it. If the truth benefits SONY. So be it. Just as long as the Truth Prevails. Its really that simple.

I'm bout to go play basketball at the gym. Remember. No bashing of me verbally. But if you choose to bash me when my back is turned. I forgive you in advance.

heres the high end pc vs 360 http://www.gamespot.com/fea...

heres the mid low pc vs 360 http://www.gamespot.com/fea...
damn mid low pc is even better than 360 omg lol
developers said it can only be done on 360 n pc lol wuteva i beat the developers got paid by saying that

U idiot. u jus proved that a 400 dollar 360 has better graphics than a mid level 2000 dollar PC. And that a 4000 dollar cutting edge PC with the 7900 graphics card is slightly better than a 400 dollar xbox 360. hahahahahahahahahah thanks for the link. Now I feel even betta about my purchase of my 360. and i only paid 300. hahahahahahahahahah the 7900 graphics card is 600 alone. hahahahahahahahaha thanx dude. and by the way. u would expect the slight differences in sharpness due to the different displays. the pc comparisson is using a computer monitor and the 360 version is using a television. hahahahahahha and it still looked better than the mid level and low level pc's. hahahahahahahah that is interesting. a 4000 dolla pc wit dvi connector to a lcd monitor looks only slightly betta than a 400 dolla 360 wit componant cables to a televison. hahahahahahahahha now thats a good value. thanx for the screen shot comparissons. hahahahahahahahah

lol! what truth? Non of u in here is buying me a console so i really think ur wasting ur time with ur facts lol! keep them to ya self .u ,me or any other in here has played the ps3 before so please ur comments just don`t help or if how many ps fans have converted ?sorry to be rude

Mid range video card alone is 200 dollars. And the comparisson isn't exact when the computer is connected to a lcd monitor with dvi connector and the 360 is connected to a TV with componant connector. High end video card starts at 400 and goes up to 650. Thats just the video card. And also the game in reference is a port from pc to 360. Even with all those variables its till not a big difference from high end pc to 360 and with mid range and low end the 360 out performs them both. Games like Gears of war are made specifically for the 360. Prey, Oblivion, and quake 4 are ports. You will always loose a little in a port.

Comes out with a dvi connector or hdmi connector...the games will look notibly sharper. But until then. dvi computer high end graphics card will look a tad sharper than 360 using componant cables. you loose a bit of the detail in the cables you use.Its just the way it is. If you have a dvd player with dvi connector do the test yourself. I have. Dvi looks noticably sharper then componant. Just like with the ps3. With it using hdmi if the 360 doesn't have hdmi or dvi....it would be logical to assume the images will looks more crisp. But with that Microsoft has said it will be making a dvi connector at least. I hope so.

i got much propz for you always schooliN these PS fanboys with the truth over there lies & false info.i think alot of us know that the 360 has proven its self to many times over and alot of us 360 fans did to.

GET OF HIS N***

i'm a dev for ps3 game cant say what but it sucks big time 360 is much better to work on etc.....

DJ wake up dude

ALL info on the web should be read with A BUCKET OF SALT be it 360 or ps3 news ..

the proof will be here in november ,, people preper for the disapointment of the decade cos thats what the ps3 is gona be ..

fact!!!!!

now ,, laterrrr i got work to do

Thanks. Sony fans bash anything thats not complimentary toward their system of choice. They take facts as false if it means the facts don't benefit their system. The truth of the matter is. Many people are getting the 360. Many people are waiting to see. And many people plan on getting a ps3. But the truth will be told in November. When the undecided can see for themselves which system is best for them. I can't wait. I can hear all the excuses now....its first gen games. lol....All that don't matter to the average consumer. And if the games are anything less than stunning the reviewers will show no mercy with the price being so high. lol....

And Real Deal bashes anything better than the 360.

I don't care who win the next gen race. I will own both system any ways. Im not riding anybody nu** to do it.

Thats how I feel.

The people who review ps3 games will hold them to a higher standard. They will expect the games to reflect a 200 dollar price difference. Especially 3rd party games. Its just the way it is when you cost 200 more. People expect more. And if the games are worse or the same as 360 games. Ps3 will get bashed for being more expensive but yet offers no value as far as games. We will see. I'm excited to see how it all pans out.

for this technology being used on the ps3 games. The PS3 is looking better and better as it gets close to launch. I cant wait to see what Sony has in store for us in their first party games lineup. Awesome games, cant wait for my HD movies also. True next Gen, Nov. 17th.

i cant wait too because when the PS3 drops there will be alot of competetion to face from the 360 and all of its games and ecspecialy the 2nd batch of games and low price to the Wii and its low price for a revolutionary way to play games.

Have already launched...lol....Now if you are talking about next gen movies in a console...lol...it will begin before Nov 17th. It will begin when the HD dvd add on launches for the 360 and included in bundles. Next gen hd games have been available for 7 months now. Ps3 is a little late to the party. lol

EternalE, I think more competion will come from the Wii, than the 360. 360 hasnt really offered anything so far, just a little prettier graphics. When the hardcore techie and gamers go to buy a system, I think they will see no problem in paying 200 extra. You get a built in HD player, consumers dont really like add ons and the launch games look SWEET. Wait till people get a load of PS3 games at TGS, its gonna be sweet. As from the recent trailers provided, the games are comming along really nicely.

In your humble opinion .... what makes console Next Gen????

Get a life kid, I mean damn, if Sony/MS will win the race your life will lose a meaning. It appears you live for this site and wars, everytime I come here I see your multiple posts spreading some MS lies. I'm not goin through all your bias, but let me give you a little food for your last 2 posts.

1: Kid, you must compare it to the $500 PS3, so it makes just a $100 difference. If somebody can afford to fork out $400 for a console, so he can surely afford to fork out $500.

2: Sorry kid, but if the movie studios decide to include HDCP, the next gen movies start Nov 17th in a console. You got an USB addon and this means you are screwed. With Sony at least we can decide, if we wanna just play, we take the $500 version, if we wanna watch movies and play we go for the $600 version.

Now kid try to do something positive with your life, cause the way it is now, it's just sad.

123: I see you're still protecting the PS3 like it's you're child somebodies talking about, day after day we see you post personal attacts on people that don't agree with you now tell me what sounds or looks worse. lol ((((#122))))i know you didn't ask me what makes games next-gen but i will, next-gen games are simply! games that are more capable than the generation before it, it don't matter what it is, next gen can be anything from graphics to co-op with pal from the other side of the planet. It's mostly personal opinion. lol