Does this guy ever STFU with his bullsh*t?

he bases this on what? nothing..

Take2/R* own financial reports go against this.

seriously hope i see this guy at e3 so i can tell him what i think of him to his face.

This should be marked as RUMOR since it is FAR from confirmed bloodmask

Well its nice to know Rockstar is on Sony`s side. Because if it was gonna be exclusive to ps3 then it shows Rockstar may favor sony over MS. Figure to since they been working with each other for a lot long then MS. I think tho MS could of taken a different approach and got a better outcome out of all of it.

I'm not heard much of Pachter, why does everyone seem to hate him so much?

Wow. Microsoft knows PS3 has the best games. Anyways:

Agent > GTA IV

Good Bye.

Good thing it was used for gta iv dlc like exclusivtivity than red dead redemption exclusivtivity knowing rdr is bigger in scale than liberty city :D. If it was used for rdr then microsoft would of made alot of ppl upset.

The money was a LOAN against FUTURE INCOME so that ROCKSTAR had FUNDS TO USE towards development. It was not an extra payment. Basically. Microsoft just fronted them a large portion of profits in good faith.

it was a LOT of money regardless how much it was.....you have to be a complete idiot to think MS didnt fork over BIG bucks for the game....how much we dont really know...
the bucks they spent for it should have been put into developing new IP for 1st party franchise game

LOL

MS SAYS......meeeeeee tooooooooo

yeah yeah, i know its good for their customers but just think what could of been done with that money in terms of studio building or studio upkeep. Even if you think its not worth MS building for this gen.....what about next gen.. Say if sony next console gets released first or at the same time....I doubt you could rely on 3rd parties to make exclusives like they did this gen...The 360 may turn out to be a ps3 lite....obviously minus the real exclusives

Microsoft-50 or 75 million for timed exclusive for 1 year = wasted money
Sony - They get it for the ps3 without spending a cent i think,

Us well we paid for it of course.

Redemtion looks like its going to be a Winner.MS did the Right thing.All Future games are made on Both systems now .Win Win

jump... and you say...

How high?

This guy is a BS Maker model 2020

Idk about this one if true wow that's sad hey ms it's sad enough you 50mil but 75mil that's one expensive hoe.

Do you guys not understand loans?

and that $75M transforned into whAt is now called AGENT. thanks microsoft, i played GTA4 (did not purchased the DLCs) and will soon get that new exclusive. i heart you hehe.

They spent all that to hurt the PS3 but the PS3 is still here!!! ;-D

+ GTA 4 was ok. I didn't buy the DLC tho. If game companies are going to make me wait for DLC or for a Game that Micro$oft get first then they are 'NOT' getting my money.

+ I am not to keen on 'TheHipHopPachterShow' !!! ;-D

75M for taking away exclusivity + 50M for TIMED DLC

125 AMAZING MILLION DOLLAR for Agent!!! WOooooooooo

So that means they paid more than that for FFXiii and Metal Gear

SONY wins

btw Patcher must have not heard but

AGENT= R*'s MMO

lmfao fail on Microsoft's part. PS3 got GTAIV and Agent. I'm a happy man!

everyone would had been buying a ps3 just for that game

Said that LA Noir (or was it Agent) is Multiplatform now

Where we don't care about are fans or about 1st party games, we just like spending are money on pointless things. Like 3rd party bundles and 3rd party games and oh yes are best "3rd Party DLC".

Yeah all that money could go to fixing the 360 to stop RROD or any other problems or making XBL much better (Maybe then Halo 2 wouldn't get turn off).

How much money do you need to spend if you will create a new XBOX 360 or PS3 game?

It really depends how many employees do you plan to hire and if its a RTS, Platform, FPS, or RPG game.

Media Molecule = 40+ employees
Infinity Ward = 70 employees
Guerrilla Games = 130 employees
Bungie = 168 employees
Insomniac Games = 198 employees
EA DICE = 200 employees
Level 5 = 210 employees
Valve Corporation = 225 employees
Bioware = 500 employees
Take-Two Interactive = 2,002 employees
Square Enix = 2,952 employees

So you need a game tester, game/graphics developer, programmer, software engineer, etc.

Salary range from $25K - 150K a year.

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Computation

Lets use an average of $100K salary per employee. And 100 employee in your team. Creating a new IP game for platform or fps genre.

$100,000 x 100 employees = $10 million/year (actually game testers had cheap salary so total employees can go up to 120)

10 million x 3 years to develop = 30 million
30 million + 5 million advertisement expenses = 35 million (in 3 years)

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Now how much did microsoft paid for Grand Theft Auto to be multiplat? Maybe 50 million or 75 million.

Not worth it in my opinion. You can produce 2 - 3 games out of that money you've spent. It is easy to create games for the XBOX 360 compared it to the PS3 development time so games that you create can go down to either 2 to 2.5 yrs.

what a waste on mone. microsoft making all the mistakes this round

a deal like this being made is a no brainer. ms doesn't care about games, it was a middle finger to sony, just like ff13.

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Hmm I dunno say 6.5 million copies of GTA IV sold for xbox 360. Let's say 10% so they get $6 per game they sell, that's $39 million. Now say they sold 3 million DLC and get $2 per game, now that's 6 million. So they made 45 million off GTA IV. Now remember some sales are hardware as well as the game. The lifetime look at the loss on the GTA IV experiment on the gain of people buying your system. It's more than just this game.

GTA4 has a playstation Home Feel.
With cellphone chatting and bowling alleys it seems GTA4 was supposed to be a co-op game. its no wonder gta4 starts to feel stripped down to bare bones and chopped up into 2 dlc episodes.

Wow i had no idea about that, so GTAIV was almost the first gta game exclusive to the ps, becasue i remember the first two available on pc and psx, then gtaiii was released and became famous on ps2 then released on xbox the same story with vice city and san andreas, so this is new for me

regardless of if patcher is right or wrong ms did pay way to much on gta with paying for it to be released the same day as the ps3 version, the exclusive content and they paid for pretty much all of the marketing. they could of made alot but since they had such a deep hole to get out of i'm sure sony made more on gta4.

... wow.

To all the people that say M$ is not holding back gaming....please read that. Now don't get me wrong maybe its not 75mil, but for GTA to not be PS3 exclusive, I'd bet my ass its that damn high! And for what? A freakin 7.75GB piece of sh*t?(Copy protection takes up 2GB I believe)
I won't rant anymore, because Agent will be what GTA wasn't, heck even red dead will be, just to note this fact, had Take Two said no, console sales would have been WAY different right about now.

GTA IV best game this gen imo and Rockstar should have charged M$ a whole lot more. I hope GTA V is PS3 exclusive but I highly doubt it.

How much did Final Fantasy XIII cost to go multiplatform? Don't know if they'll be buying XIV, so that won't see 360 for a couple years.

You have to wonder what GTA IV would have been like using the full 25-50gb..

Well think about the big picture. According to VGChartz, It sold more on the x360 than the PS3 by a full million copies. If the rumor was correct it was also to help fund the 2 DLC episodes. Which I'm sure wouldn't have been made if it was just a PS3 exclusive.
Thanks to that, people (including me) were able to hold off spending $500 for a ps3 to play this game. Which im sure was a huge blow for PS3 and which is why there have been so many variations of the PS3 system. And now they were forced to scrap large pieces of the ps3 to make it more affordable. Now the playing field is even but in terms of consoles sold x360 is still on top of that.
Also, think about it, thats 7.78 million copies that wouldn't have been there if it was kept as a ps3 exclusive. So thats $75 mil well spent imo. And think of all the games that sell under a million copies. Sequels are green lighted if they even sell 500,000 copies. And success is equivalent to selling over 1,000,000 copies.

people say microsoft wasted their money but at the time grand theft auto iv was the biggest gaming achievement and most popular game in history.

Nearly every one who has owned a console in the recent years has played a grand theft auto game and loved it, so this was an incredibly clever and worth while deal that microsoft had to make and if they hadnt made this deal i dont think the xbox 360 would be the lead running console it is today.

in fact, most game budgets are anywhere from $10-$20 million dollars max. and that's still for a solid, AAA budgeted title.

there are special circumstances, like with MGS4 and Killzone 2, where the developers are spending most of that budget on researching and developing an engine and techniques that will be shared across studios, but most game development budgets are reasonable.

$75 million dollars could have been 5-6 new, original IPs for the Xbox 360. instead, Microsoft devoted that money to getting GTAIV exclusivity, and while the game is still a great game, it isn't the best in the series, which, most sequels seem to be when done right.

it saddens me that Microsoft didn't use that money to open up two or three more development studios, and set them to work on some new 360 exclusives.

Sony has 30 (THIRTY!) development studios working on exclusive titles for the PS3.

Microsoft, in comparison, has roughly 8 (EIGHT!) development studios working on exclusive titles for the Xbox 360.

most of the other exclusives coming to the 360 are 3rd party (Splinter Cell, Mass Effect, Gears of War, etc), but since Microsoft does NOT own the IPs those studios produce, they could easily go to the PS3.

the question you have to ask is, is Crackdown, Fable, and Halo enough to keep you supporting the 360, if/when Splinter Cell, Gears of War, and Mass Effect go to the PS3?

some of the BEST games on the PS3 are exclusives. and that means unavailable ANYWHERE ELSE.

is Resistance, Ratchet, Motorstorm, Uncharted, GoW, Gran Turismo, The Last Guardian, Heavy Rain, Little Big Planet, Killzone 2, and so many more enough to keep you supporting the PS3? the PS3 is STILL getting multi-plats like GTAIV, but it's also getting games that are really pushing the hardware, and even the industry (just LOOK at LBP2; that game really is a game changer title. an industry changer). even with Metal Gear Rising and FFXIII coming to the 360 also, the PS3 has MORE THAN ENOUGH to keep people coming back for more.

the 360's scope is...limited at best, and that's wholly due to Microsoft's insistence on not forming more 1st and 2nd party studios. Sony made this very same mistake with the PS1, but rectified it with the PS2, and now that's paying dividends with the PS3.

it's called business. you kiddies will understand one day

all those xbox live fees. micro should have started a new dev team or paid for first party exclusives

This is funny and sad at the same time.

Unless it was coming from the mouth of Rockstar themselves, this so called "Grand Wizard Of Foresight" is bullshiting for the attention and ratings. Notice this guy uses words "I've heard" and "I’m sure this is right" to pull the magical number of $75 million. Unless Patchers gives me a legitmate citation, his words are nothing but rumors to me.

Sony can get exclusive rights to GTA V. It's really annoying thinking how much stuff they must have cut from GTA IV in order to make it fit on a DVD. (I mean in terms of side-missions and such.)

If they want to make a dumbed-down version for the 360, so be it, but I want a full GTA experience for the next game. That means ambulance and fire missions, and base jumping straight out of the box.

You guys think $75 mil is actually a lot of money to Microsoft. It's not.

That's the beast Microsoft is! I'm glad to have invested in a company that is able to afford things like this. Ultimately bringing us games and content ahead of the pack as well as the magnificent Xbox Live, which the PSN aspires to one day be like.. (Premium service will happen otherwise it will never compete, Sony will probs announce at E3).

Thanks Microsoft for funding AGENT ...

=)

.... this sounds plausable.;... ms is kidof that way when it comes to "cool" games .. like a little kid always wanting things for itself ... but 75 million sounds a bit toooo much anywho who cares .. it came out for bolth systems ... so go play games and quit bitching

What a waste of money they could have used that money to fix the xbox360.

Not on bettering services, but bribes to have a multi-platform release.

It's not like GTA SA didn't make the jump to Xbox, so why MS decided it would be worth spending that money to get it sooner is just greedy.

Now that we've all played it, we could call it a bad decision because the game left many with a not so nice taste in their mouths. However, at the time, if GTAIV was PS3 exclusive it would have been a huge downside for Microsoft.

is the 360 here to compete or just hold off the ps3 from domination. which is it

I hear non-asshole companies saved $50 million.

The game was and still is awesome. MS paid for it, big deal. Sony had a chance to make it an exclusive, yet they did not. It might have been a mistake to do so, Sony did not have the console base to make Rockstar a profit.

Wonder what will happen with the next GTA? PS3 exclusive? Nope...Not in this day and age, where every game that's supposed to be multiplat is from day one.

That's okay, we have RDR now that game already owns GTA IV.

The winner in this is Rockstar. Extra money from Microsoft to go multiplat, and end up with the biggest selling game in history at that time. Score!

Microsoft payed THAT much to break GTA IV from being exlusive with PS3.. I am really surprised to be honest. Those guys must be really desperate to win the console war lol

This is the true hangaway for the N4PS3G users; reading those comments are so ridiculous, I cant believe some of you believe them.

Hahaha.