but the Playstation3s architecture is way different than a PC.

With that said games are always developed first on PC then put on their respective dev kits.

With 360s architecture being very similar to the PC development is quick and easy. Shorter development time and less money to get good results.(especially with the XNA tools) Practical for third parties bc 360 has the highest install base. For maximization of profits.

For PS3 the dev time is longer bc of its architecture and more expensive bc of expensive dev kits plus it has the smaller user base which minimizes profits.

To code games from the ground up for PS3 isn't practical for third parties. Maximize investment to minimize profits. The games industry is a business after all. And business is about making money.

The headline is kind of misleading, in my opinion. He's a lot less accusatory in the actual quote, and you can't really argue with what he says. The power is there, but third parties have to learn it, and they're not putting forth the effort necessary so far(Guerrilla Games, Ninja Theory, Insomniac, Naughty Dog, Epic, Free Radical, Polyphony Digital, and such are proving that the results can be achieved). Is the effort required too much for the potential gain? Perhaps, at this stage of the game. But he points out the potential ramifications of that - the system will not sell, and the game, being on a more expensive platform and looking worse, likely won't recoup costs.

what jack says is kinda true, if the port is crappy it isnt going to sell, who would buy a port that sucks, so what can sony do besides give them tools and help them, which they do

At first, i thought Jack was some corny dude at Sony because he

he's so awesome. ive gained lots of respect for Jack after the Sony Press Conference. He's comedic while professional at the same time. He's down to earth and not just some MONEY MONEY MONEY dude and talks like how a normal person should talk. Listen to all the MS executives, talking like robots boasting the 360 24/7.

COP OUT.

How about you develop the technology and tools to help developers? That would be more help than slamming them.

That is all fony and fony fanyboys do is whine all the time. fony is lucky to have them port it over after making a HUGE mistake that is the ps3. I would rather have options than none at all. With the original ps2 and xbox, xbox was more powerful but got crappy ports of ps2 versions so get over it man.

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Sorry about this guys, this is live from E3 on a mobile phone showing killzone 2 being played by the developer!!!!!

i agree with Jack, you can't control somebody just encourage, help, assit them. the best way you can. Sony come on,put the money down show these useless monkies what PS3 can IMPEL.

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OK THERE SAYIN HE BLAMES THIRD PARTIES. HE SAID MULTIPLE TIMES HE DOSNT WANT 2 DISCOURAGE. I KNOW HOW MEDIA CAN TAKE THINGS OUT OF PROPORTION. SO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY ON HERE REALIZES THAT

Jack Trettons words saying so you think that the first party should pick up the slack when the first partys are already doing a good job and have no problems with the PS3 so this journalist is just dumb he already made it clear that he dislikes on what the 3rd partys doing! and the journalist is not even listening and saying so the first party is lacking to and what kind of journalist is not even paying attention to a SCEA VIP in what hes saying!.

Really, the title for this is misleading.

right blame the devs, despite a weak GPU, add the fact that you chose to make your architecture inefficient, the dev tools you offer are a joke, when compared to micro's, therefore it takes going into hiding for 2 yrs of dev time and 30 mil to get a shooter thats on the same level as most nex gen shooters its only hyped as a big sigh of relief that it wasn't 2D by all the sony kids, forget the fact that it falls well shy of the CG trailer. what do they expect from other devs?=

JOY

but it has been said that fight night is better on that stupid xbox

or jack you could do it old skool nintendo style by putting a gun on third party developers heads

companies now pay alot to dev a game - so the less time - less money spent to make a huge profit thats what works for now - look at the 360

but once the PS3 sales start stacking and the 360 sales come to a stop which will be around 14million - their gonna have no chose to work hard for the PS3 and ull see the exculsives all come back to PS3

jokes on ur lol ur a idiot honestly..PS3 is more powerful then the 360..90% of the games coming from 1st party dev cant be done on a 360 - i wonder y that is lol go buy a PS3 and then see for urself and dont worry it wont break on u like ur 360 did on u

remember the problem the first Xbox had. Last console out and got crappy ports. It happens. So this means Sony has to step it up first party wise. 90% of the games I play are multi-plat games. If I see the 360 version is better i will get it, and I don't care why it is better.

We can go on and on about money and dev ease. In the end these guys want to make money. Who the heck is going to spend $20 mill on a 360 version, and $20 mill on a PS3 version. They will spend the most time on the plat that will make them the money and port to the other. It happened to xbox1, and it will happen to the PS3. Once Sony gets their dev support up, user base up, and tie ratio up they will be okay. It will be tuff for 3rd party dev though. In the end those guys have families to feed and bills to pay and they don't give a sh8t about fanboys. If they sale games then they could care less how they sold it. EA is the best example of this.

I agree 110% with jack. It does sound like the journalist twisted up a little. But this is correct they do port some bad games. Whoever said Ubisoft was right too. They seem to just hand things over and put anything out if they can.

I can't even think straight right now because of how disappointed I am with PSN. We get all of these great trailers and hear about all the great Sony exclusive games being played at E3, and we get Nucleus? WTF? How the hell can we not get ONE demo?

Excuse my irrelevance, but I feel I have to say it somewhere. This is BS. And IMO, Nucleus sucks.

This guys a loon! The PS3 is to blame and so are you for hiding the hidden power of the Cell! LOL
Jack go back to playing your Second Life ripoff.

Sony has been providing some amazing tools, tools that 1st and 2nd party developers traditionally only had access to. It's up to them to work hard and meet our expectations, and Sony's great showing at E3 is definitely going to push 3rd parties to do so.

“But if a game doesn’t showcase our technology, I don’t know that is going to help either of us.”

Third parties will hurt themself too..

Am gonna play a little devils advocate. Yeah Sony can't control third party support and the lack of games that comes to the PS3, but they need to come up with better third party Dev tools that allow faster access to the power of the consoles they put out there. All first party titles shown at this E3 were F'n amazing and so were some third party ones. But for those third party titles that did look great they admitted as well as the developer for said game that they worked together to achieve those results. Sony needs to allow more access to their better more accessible dev tools and stop being so selective about it.

All in All I know Sony wants to put out the best looking games for their systems but they need to realize that some of their best selling games have come from 3rd party developers so allowing them to have access to the better Dev tools from the start will only help them in the long run.

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@DJ

True, Sometimes it does come down to how much a developer is willing to put into a game that will determine just how great the end result will be. But lets get real for a sec, I believe that the PS3 is the far more powerful machine out there this generation but by the same token You and I and many others out there are not investing 20+ million on any of these games. The end result of all this like any other industry is to make MONEY!! and thats Why products like the Wii and the 360 have been doing great in the sales charts. The Wii tech wise is over 7 years old + a fairly new control scheme so it is fairly cheap to develop for (in relative terms). The 360 is a powerful machine and it's a mix of something new with something old built into the box.
the PS3 is a completely new machine all together, the parts that are in the machine have never been used for gaming and that has caused the problems that it has right now. It is very expensive to produce product for the PS3. a game that cost $20 mill on a 360 to produce might cost 30, 40, 50 mill on a PS3 if produced from the ground up.
and the other benefit that the development for the 360 has over the PS3 is that once the 360 build is done you pretty much have a PC game as well (with some tweaks here and there). So development cost are not that high when you develop for the 360 cause in the end you get 2 products for the price of 1. While in the long term I am gonna agree with you that some developers need to suck it up and work for their money, but Sony needs to realize that these companies are not gonna flip a huge bill just to make them happy, so in the end they need to come up with some of the best 3rd party tools to make that transition easier and less expensive cause in this world Money speaks louder then any words or actions that are spoken and seen.

@Funkytown

You speak the truth. While graphics and movies and all the other feature all these console keep shoving in our faces are not necessary they are always good to have and in the end that is what has made gaming what it is today. But at the same time I still find myself plugging in my old NES so I can play Mario 3. or Double dragon if only for a couple of hours. Why? cause that is what made gaming so great before all the DVD playback and CD playback and online play and whatever else these products promise us.
So yeah all we should want in the end is to be able to play great games and in some way most of the older gamers like ourselves have lost sight of that and so have most of these gaming companies. But we only have ourselves to blame. We always demand more from these companies and when they try and fail we are always the first ones to point fingers, but like you said all that should matter is the games, but just like I was telling DJ I invested $600 on a new PS3 so I would want the companies out there to make a game that works great on my system if they want my money. So I guess that makes me a hypocrite, but hey I'm only human.

...that will INSURE such a trend will continue. Nice going, Jack-ass Tretton. This is why HAZE will only be a TIMED exclusive for the PS3, and will end up being better on the 360 and PC, with the extra dev time. Isn't that what you Sony fangirls always say? :o

Developing a PS3 game is quite an expensive undertaking, especially with each dev kit costing $30,000 (which is ridiculous) so developers must be able to cut costs wherever possible.

Since the PP3 install base is very low at this point it is not entirely economically feasible to make a better PS3 version of a cross platform game.

Why should EA spend the money to get those 60fps out of the PS3 hardware for madden 2008 when they will not sell enough copies to account for that added cost? Keep in mind that just because the PS3 had "five million" PS3s sold that they will not sell five million copies of even hit games, such as Madden; the sell through rate of each game goes up considerably the bigger the system install base.

Even if he doesn't explicitly state it, it is the 3rd parties' laziness which results in subpar PS3 versions - not like The Darkness, Oblivion, DiRT, R6 Vegas where the PS3 version is better, but like the rest.

Sony's first party is completely unrivaled right now. They have the most impressive lineup of games ever seen. Graphically and technically unstoppable.

Now Sony can share the tools with 3rd party devs and they can create better games with PS3 as the lead platform, which many will continue to do. It seems it was PS3's architecture, and the easiness of porting from PS3->360 which won this fight. Sorry 360, your time as the lead console, even with more market share, is up.
EA's Madden 09 is meant to be PS3 lead.

EDIT: I mean PS3 is the lead platform, not Madden is a system seller.
Also, the GPU is obviously not underpowered (in response to above) when Sony has Killzone 2 pre-alpha beating everything right up there with R&C, Uncharted, Heavenly Sword and Lair. The top 5 best (and probably beyond) looking games we've seen are 1st party PS3 games. And they're technical marvels - draw distance, animations, same detail at both macro and micro levels etc etc. And people keep saying it's only possible on PS3. I think for sure after E3 even the hardest Xbots will have to accept PS3 is superior, and there IS a difference when the hardware is utilised, even at ~40% like Uncharted.

And the scary thing is, these, apart from KZ2, will all be out before PS3 is one year old.

it comes down to if you are good or if you are not good at programming.

sony,nintendo and microsoft can't hold your hand for 6 years.most of the big companies KNEW about what ps3 was going to have inside.they should have been with sony from the start learning about how to program in parallel.they shouldn't have expected to continue to program games the same way for the next 20 years.

programs used to be in basic,assembly,open gl and so on.things change.and all for single processors.now it's multiple processors.if you don't change and keep learning,stick with it,you get left behind.we see who are getting left behind.sony provided the technology,they left it open to use pc programming norms,they came out with PS EDGE and are giving it away for free.

if they don't understand after all this handholding,that's their fault.sometimes things aren't easy.sometimes it's hard.

they don't have to push extreme graphics games.look at little big planet.you mean to tell me the little companies can't make a game to look like that?it's still 3D.sony would except those games as long as it shows innovation.what would a sonic or mario game be like with LBP type graphics?there aren't 40 players onscreen.if you can't make a certain game,do something else you can handle.or ASK FOR HELP.

it only makes the developer look bad and sony look bad.he's right.

when sonys first party titles start to get more and more impressive, 3rd party devs will catch up with the quality that sony pumps out, it's just taking them time and now it's time for them to stop getting lazy and make the game all it can be

For the fanboys spreading false info; all credible reviews clearly stated that the 360 version is superior. This is a bussiness. If a company makes a system so hard to develop for than games look better on other systems with less effort, that is SONY's problem. PS1 was easier to program than Saturn and they won. I guess it's their time to lose. The system is more expensive and games look better on 360. This is Sony's problem, not Unisoft's. Grow up!

ubisoft

If you like PS3, good for you. But don't make up stuff. Most games look better on 360 (incluiding R6V), and more people are buying 360 (even if it breaks). This is SONY coming up wth more excuses, and you know it. You were the morons that paid $600 for a system without games. Now sit and wait for 08.

The port is only as good as the console profitability allows you to do.

I find it very hard to believe anything he says.

He is blaming the devs, but the devs blame sony for bad support and awkward hardware.

Shame Chewbacca never tore off his arms.

Jack Trenton speaks, he is the ONLY guy in the whole of Sony Entertainment that speaks any sense imo, he is logical, honest thats the impression I get.

I used to look up to Peter Moore when he spoke but of late with whats been going on I am very discouraged in listening to Microsoft and especially Peter Moore to be very honest.

I am no fanboy and I just say what I feel and its good to see that there is someone at Sony that can talk sense.

The PS3 is complex from what some of the developers have said but the third party titles that have looked poorer is just down to the fact that the CELL's architecture is very different to other processors out there.

I wont start going into the graphics side of things because EPIC have been able to pull off Unreal Tournament 3 extremely well on the PS3 so I wont go on about the GPU etc in the PS3 compared to the 360's...EPIC have shown anything is possible but I think they have more time and money to perhaps deliver better goods especially fresh new games rather than old titles and ports at that.

I say either look at the first party titles and or 3rd party exclusives and look at games coming out next year I am sure by then developers would have a much better understanding of the PS3's architecture to make games look just as good as the 360's and I am very much looking forward to the rumble coming back to the PS3 pads as well.

Blame everyone else but themselves. Next there going to blame the custumers for Sony's exploding batteries.

sony's 1st party titles(20%) are awesome but it would be nice if 3rd parties helped em a little

this headline title sucks. Thats not what this article is about. He says that sony should help the developer get the most out of the ps3. He says that its the devs responsiblity to make a great game. buts its sony's responsibility to get the dev the tools to make the best game possible. That headline title makes him look like a blame shifting ass.
FIX IT!

“The message I want to send is, we can’t control what the third parties do,” he explained. “We want to encourage them as much as possible, we want to support them as much as possible…to your point, we want to give them the tools."

On the one hand i sympathize with J.T. as it appears some multiplatform titles appear to be the same or better on the 360.However, before you can make any assumptions as to why that may be you have to look at the design philosophies of MS and Sony.It's apparent to me that MS designed the 360 with the developer in mind.While not completely ignoring leading edge tech, i.e multi-procs and advanced GPU,MS have still designed a console for the current market.Sony, obviously had different design criteria, because a cell processor,however powerful, is not current tech.Now, if you design a system that may or may not be,in advance of the competition,but is undeniably an unusual design,you can't really suggest people are not putting in the effort.After all, MS realise its the games s/w that drives console sales and NOT the otherway round as Sony's design philosophy seems to suggest.At E3 we have seen Killzone 2,apparently(i'm still a little skeptical about some aspects of the demo)show the true capabilities of PS3.There's no doubt the PS3 has potential, but why should devs that have good skills in the current and useable tech,have to expend a great deal of effort to gain very little if anything in results. I wouldn't do it just,because Sony decided they wanted to follow an alternative path to most other people.Bottom line is, you can force a horse to water, but you can't make it drink!

No you sony Fanboys Know how Dreamcast fans felt when sony applied dirty bussiness tactics and dreamcast could'nt get no third party love.
Karma is a muthafuka ain't it?

Now Live with it and stop b1tching.

For 95% developers out there, creating video games is BUSINESS, NOT PASSION! Sony can't expect from devs to spend 2-3 years creating and optimizing software for PS3 especially when there's a small install base. Developers are trying to make money from creating games, not to please fanboys.

My point is: PS3 is maybe more powerful then other competitors, but so was the SEGA Saturn and just look what happened to it - so many SPUs, so little time ;)

Blame comes with the Territory! Sony still Rocks! can I get a Bubble FTW?!

Give every game 3 1/2 years, is that what sony wants? B/C that's the only way a sony game is going to look and play as good as an Xbox 360 game.

Yeah and this is the guy who said that exclusive games aren't important.

Actually the processor inside the flogbox sucks bad.

IF that isnt bad enough, unless your running the unreal engine, you struggle.

Don't Forget, the PS3 version of DIRT and UT3(NO UT FOR 360 THIS YEAR)

Runs better and looks better then the 360 versions and is identical to the PC Version(High end)

The 360's Bandwidth has been eaten by Gears, Your Graphics will get no better.
Xbox360 was a rush job, and sucks hard. Rings of Death,lmao.

And still you ppl buy it.

I'll tell you a quick fact about the 360 version of Lost Planet. IT used 3cores and Used every bit of bandwidth. How do i know this, The Devs spoke out on this awhile back,lmao.

KILLZONE 2 FOR THE WIN BABY

Now that Jim Ryan is gone just need to remove Herman Hulst from his position! And maybe give Shuhei the position he deserved.

This gen hasn't been the best for games, last gen consoles are still out there and now there's been talk of the PS6 and Xbox Two for a year or so. Many games this gen will be ported to next gen and the cycle will continue. The re-release of the Neo Geo AES+, games on cartridge for £70 ($95), gaming is going back in time. Gaming has gone pricing mad with the high cost of games, consoles and controllers. The men and women at the top are clueless.

It’s always interesting to hear behind-the-scenes stories like this, especially involving veterans like Shuhei Yoshida and leadership figures like Jim Ryan. That said, there are usually multiple sides to decisions at that level. It could be less about not “listening” and more about differences in long-term vision for PlayStation. Yoshida played a huge role in shaping the brand, so whatever the reason, his impact is undeniable.

If true, and I'm inclined to believe it is, it goes to show that Sony lost their way when they became more western/didn't respect the PlayStation origin story. Andrew House and Jack Tretton did great work, but they also didn't try to fundamentally change the PlayStation DNA. Ryan oversaw the death of Japan Studio and a live service direction.

I already figured this, good lord imagine if Shuhei took over instead, would've been a platinum era 😩

I miss the first three generations of PlayStation. The way they turned PS3 around, we knew they meant business. We were all worried for a bit there around launch. Eventually from 2008 they started shifting slowly. But since Yoshida was fired, it's never been the same. Still enjoy my PS5 daily. I got a backlog dating back to PS2 lol So I'm fine but new games aren't as appealing anymore.

It seems like we were thrown on to the worst timeline possible where everything is too expensive and the wrong people were put in positions that makes the world a shitty place. We could have had Shu as the head of PS but we got the shitty alternative. Same goes for everyone in power around the world. Doesn’t matter the company or country the majority of us got the shitty picks and the world is declining like never before. I do think PS can come out of this because of their studios, talent and IP but they need someone more in touch with gamers leading things like Shu was. They’re still the best place for console gaming imo but it could be much better than it is especially without the massive live service failures. The rest of the world I have a lot less hope for right now. Hopefully the pendulum swings back towards the good ole days but I’m preparing for the worst.

There goes illuminati distraction story

So now there's certifiable proof that Ryan was in fact "fired", as opposed to when it was first announced that he "retired", in order to save face.

There's another guy who recently "retired" as CEO of another large gaming company, after doing a dismantling job as lead for well over a decade.

seems legit, the business man, fires the one who has ideas to move the business forward.

Jim Ryan is the reason why we are entering year 6 since the PS5 launch and many of us don't feel like the PS5 has gotten started as yet.

I hope going forward, we will see a return to form.