Everyone knows that the majority of people using the Wii are not core users/hardcore gamers. They are casual gamers and young kids more than anything. I worked a short spell in a game shop and the majority of Wii sales were to aged 40 and upwards for either their young kids or themselves for party games.

Also you pretty much said that you grew tired of motion control. I just think that as revolutionary as it is, its something that should be for the future.

The biggest difference between the Wii motion control, the Move and Natal is that Nintendo designed their console with that function from the start, MS and Sony are adding it to their list of devices which past experience dictates, is never a good thing.

"Neither Sony nor Microsoft if forcing it on anyone.Every single PS3 sold will still be bundled with a controller but not all will be bundled with the Move and the same goes for Microsoft."

That in itself is forcing it on new users.

Im not saying that taking technological leaps is a bad thing but you also have to understand that the lightbulb, computers, automobile, TV's hell the fridge-freezer took years before the technology was effective. I agree its a trial and error situation but gaming unlike the above mentioned is at its pinnacle. How much has TV's changed, how much has the light bulb changed, how much has the car changed? The answer is simple, very little and very gradual over a very long period of time!

I am up for change too but you have to learn to walk before you can run.

Ummmmm.... I'm a gamer and I have asked for it. Sorry you feel this way but your feelings are not indicative of the entire gaming population. I have kids and they love the PS3 and Xbox 360. They also love the Wii and find that the motion controls are great for them and they make some family games a blast. To that I ask Sony and MS to bring it on and let me have some of that same fun with my kids using their consoles.

Until the day an MS or Sony rep stops by my house and forces me to buy their motion controls at gun point, I am going to have to respectfully disagree with your sentiments here. I want motion controls as it offers another level of games to my systems. If you don't that's fine but don't say the "gamers" don't want it. Some of us actually do.

My point exactly Hill Billy. Zero, when did you become the voice for all gamers? Just because you don't want it does not mean that others feel the same way. I want it, and i am a gamer. If done right, i will snap up Move and Natal in a heartbeat.

How can Sony making a Move special bundle be "forcing it on gamers" when there will be cheaper bundles out there that don't include the Move?Will Sony put a gun to your head forcing you to buy the way more expensive Move bundle over the cheaper non Move equipped bundle?

The difference between Wii and PS3 move motion control is huge just from a technical standpoint. Yes nintendo created the console with motion control in mind but that doesnt take away from the fact that it is a limited form of motion control. The control isnt really good for anything but pointing (for example an FPS) because the system has no idea where the controller is and only to a certain degree what moves it does. As a result most games on the wii are controlled by making gestures. You swing your hand in a direction and that will again trigger something in the game.

This is not what the move is about. The move is basically like an extension of your arm in to the game. Since the system always knows exactly where the controller is in the room and can track every motion you do, the motion that are reflected on screen will be exactly the same as you do with your own hand. That is leaps and bounds over what the wii allows you to do. Its the next generation of motion control. It allows for new experiences not possible on the wii or anywhere else for that matter.

I think when the wii was announced alot of gamers were very excited about the idea of motion control. However they ended up not liking it because it didnt allow them to do what they thought they would do. Many people was imagining for example a sword game where it was just like swingning a sword in real life. However that kind of experiences just wasnt possible on the wii. Thats why people are hating on motion controls now, because it didnt deliver on the wii. One thing is for sure though. The tech will deliver on the PS3. The only question that remains is, will the games deliver. Wether or not PS3 was designed or not with motion control in mind doesnt matter at all. Why would it matter? Obviously it was designed with it in mind because of the PS-eye but really, the only thing that matters is what kind of software they create for it.

I never said I was, its called intelligent debate and opinionated discussion. Some gamers have asked for it have they but a majority haven't.

E3 last year.. MS unveiled Natal, Sony in reaction to that felt that they had to speed up their unveiling, both fact. Where did you see the memo that said please bring me motion control because every gamer wants it? Before that it wasn't even thought of on the Xbox or PS3 and was specific to the Wii.

I dont disagree that some gamers want it but its not something that we specifically picked up the phone and said "give us motion control"

It would seem that you want motion control but you also don't speak for all the gamers in the world. I commend you for putting blind faith in two products that haven't even been released, also two products that you haven't tried.

Has it really been done right? Speeded up development cycle and cut corners because of costs.. What about the games? Most motion control games are very short and repetitive.

Did you not read the full article? I did state areas where motion control would work well or did you miss that part.

As the old saying goes, if its not broke don't try and fix it ;)