if the E3 05 was a 10 the E3 07 is about a 4.

not
even
close.

still a great looking game though.

this is my opinion only.
if yours is different........great !

DIFFERENT STROKES FOR DIFFERENT FOLKES !!!

tell me about it ArduousAndy !

w/ the ammount of stuff going on and how good it looks this is UNBELIEVABLE.
has anyone even thought about MULTIPLAYER!!!!!OMG!!!!!!
40s anyone?

@nice cuppa
you are a sure bitter lately.

why does ours matter to you
you`ve been in the ps3 section all day.
spewing negativity.
don`t let our joy be your pain. gamer.

@satanas
i know i hope it`ll be good to.
that`ll just top this great great news off.
hopefully we`ll hear something soon.

@AZN sniper.
I know i`m sooooo excited, i hope we hear more about MP soon!

Why does it say the year is 2006 on the target render when it was

at E3 2005?

i think it was all scripted and the guy had to be in places and do things at certain times to make it work.

i'm suspicious !

if you disagree then man up and tell me why !

PLEASE NOTE I HOPE THIS GAME DELIVERS ON ALL FRONTS AS I WOULD LOVE A GREAT GAME LIKE THIS IN THE FUTURE AND THIS WOULD DRIVE THE COMPETITION TO IMPROVE !

THIS LOOKS GOOD TOO.

http://www.gametrailers.com...

this game will set the bar for future games! i cant wait for what sony has plans 10 years down the road and beyond!

I really think it can go either way. I mean, depending on how you look at it some points in the game look the same or very close. It also doesn't help that there are 2 different trailers here, so it makes it harder to compare them. but overall im pleased. you guys have to remember this is only pre alpha too.

They still have 8 months to go before release, I'm pretty sure it's going to match the trailer. The facial animations are better than the original trailer, the physics and weight of the charactors looks real good. All they really need to do is polish it up and it can match the trailer. I can't wait

gameplay footage for CGI, it's no wonder we're getting such large debates over this game. It's awesome that Guerrilla Games pulled through though. If this is what the game looks and plays this extraordinary in pre-alpha status, imagine what the final product will be like...

"Just how close does the finished product come to the target render?"

this isnt the finished product. period.

I don't think it would have looked this good without the pressure from the pre-rendered trailer of yore. Perhaps it would have, but it sure was a great big incentive to calm the waves. Bravo. This is a good looking game and i would like to play the hell out of it.

explosion, if the e3 2007 can have the same explosion, then it will be much better than e3 2005, it think that's the differences.

If you look at the in game and the E3 05 target render, the in-game has a lot more going on in terms of effects such as dust flying and particles in the air, lighting, etc. Also as I have challenged fools such as "Also Known As", find me where Sony said that the E3 05 trailer was in game? As I recall the media began to spread that news and the only thing I saw Sony do wrong is not come forward early enough to say that they had never said that.
I think they surpassed the trailer on many levels, but the detractors that are here are just sour because they knew this day would come. Fact of the matter KZ2 shows that if you put the effort into the PS3 results will be attained, not to mention that all the R&D from this game will be shared with other developers and enhanced over time.
We are not even out of the PS3's first year and we are seeing this? I am an easy going guy that likes video games as much as the next guy, and I never go onto the 360 section to talk S#!t, but I know that today they have knots in their stomachs because they know that Sony is doing what they do best, and that is dominate.
I hate to say it but this is why I have had a PS3 from day one, Sony delivers and does it well, and the fact of the matter is that MS has failed last generation and they have more to prove than Sony. They need to prove that the 360 will not be replaced 3 years down the line because of languishing market share, that they can survive their lousy hardware problems, and have the staying power to EARN exclusives because they have a technologically superior machine not because they payed a S#!t load of cash. A year early and all they have to show for this is Gears? and the 360 fanatics have the nerve to call PS owners out? Such twisted logic, its almost laughable.
All the haters had this universe in there mind where Sony rolled over and died and MS was free to pimp crappy hardware to their customers, but today they got a rude awakening. The 360 trolls are here, I was checking out the Halo news just for fun and they are there posting, trying to hold on to the last visages of their pride but their absence in the Sony section today shows that deep in their hearts they had to know that this day was upon them.
As I said earlier today, kudos to everyone who owned a PS3 from day one, welcome to the new converts, and to all the former haters, I look forward to seeing you in here under your new account name acting as if you were always a Sony supporter. I will dish out the bubbles for all my fellow PS3 owners and I hope to get the same love from you all. Add me on my PSN name is TASHITO, see you online.

I wonder if that foot in your mouth taste good H8TERS.

All this pre-pre-alpha talk is complete bull-sht. Who ever heard of pre-pre-alpha anyway. This kind of lingo is just covering their asses. I firmly believe this is what the finished product will look like, especially if the game is releasing next year.

To give credit where credit is due. The animations look slick. The graphics are not on par with the target, but that bar was set unrealistically high. The game lighting is darker than the render, and you cannot deny that there is a serious lack of color in this demo at least. The explosions are seriously lacking...Even lost planet wowed me more with the explosions than seen here.

As far as game play, there is nothing here that gears of war doesn't have as much as it pains me to say. Stop and Pop all the way it appears, but with out chain-saws. The only saving grace for this game will be the size of the individual levels, which will probably be expansive.

This game will not compel me to slap down the serious money for a PSIII. I am honestly more excited about halo 3 at this point simply for game play and storyline. Call me what you will, but I am simply unimpressed.

I think it looks pretty damn close. I mean, look at the character, n the lighting. It doesn't look as good as E305 trailer, but it looks pretty damn close. I don't know if guerilla will be able to make KZ2 look as good as the trailer, but it will come close. MY opinion.

damn close actually besides the smoke and some of the particle effects and things...but this video is hard because sometimes I don't know which one I am supposed to be looking at...which is a good thing

This is pre-alpha, they're only going to get closer. I can't wait to get my hands on this.

for a game with no real release date. I say its about 80% close. But they still have plenty of time to work on it. I say the final version will be 90% to video maybe a small amount more. It will never be 100%.

Now that we see what it looks likes lets see if its got appeal.

Lets see if its got substance and not just pizazz.

Too Bad you gotta WAIT NEXT YEAR!!

"This is Waiting"

Go back to playing RFOM ya SONY CHEERLEADERS!!

hahahahahahahahaa!!!

I think it's worth mentioning that Killzone may have not ended up looking quite so hot if media and 360 owners hadn't laughed like we did back then.All justified of course because it was a lie.

A 200 team probably wasn't the plan frankly when they started the sequel and neither was a budget of 20 mil.I'd imagine that a lot of all the lovely detail we are seeing from K2 now has been partly at least down to because of this extra focus and determination to prove something.Conditions like these seemed to have been ideal in creating this great looker.Does that mean a 200 strong team is needed because i can see that maybe being a problem business wise.I wonder how much better all games on any platform would look using this method of recources.Just a thought and it's not to take away from whats been achieved so far with K2.

Decided i'm going to get a PS3 eventually because although in truth K2 is never going to be as great as the trailer,it's still darn nice.

Gears has better textures but iv'e never been that impressed graphically by just textures alone.K2 doesn't seem to have quite the clarity but dishes out generous amounts of polygons and action that makes for a more stimulating game visually if you ask me.

All this from my Wiimote.

why all the negative comments. If this game was multiplatform all of you would be talkin about how this is the next step or how it will look better on this platform or wateva. Guerilla has done a fine job while they didnt match the trailer exactly they did a fine job and came unrealistically close. I expected them to change the visual direction so it wouldnt look to obvious when they didnt meet the trailer but they pretty much followed the CGI trailer direction and their gameplay held up. Held up quite well in fact. This game is already visually impressive all that remains is will it play as impressive. I mean xbox have their halo why not let sony have their killzone, just because killzone looks better that is no need to be jealous. If its a great game when it comes out you will get to play it either you buy a ps3 or am sure you know at least 1 person with 1. Whether your an xbox fan or a sony fan lets hope that it does because this could be the one game to unite us all. lol

PS3 exclusives even though they are first party are starting to look more impressive than msoft exclusives maybe i need a recap of the exclusives they have over sony. But having played warhawk and waiting to play lair, uncharted, ratchet and clank, heavenly sword, little big planet, haze, mgs4, final fantasy 3, and so many others the ps3 titles are holding up

To the untrained eye they both have the same splendor. They actually do look very much alike, I'm just struck with amazement on how well Guerilla games did.

Killzone 2 is going to sell PS3s like Halo did for the Xbox for sure.

for a game that isn't done yet it looks almost perfect to the target render and even better in many aspects. Especially the environment with so much going on compared to e3 05....

the only con i could come up with killzone e3 o7 was the explosions, they need to be better when the game releases...everything else was perfect

killzone2 in e3 05 was mainly focused with explosions, but in killzone 2 e3 07 it was focused totally with the gunfire and atmosphere. In this way it far surpased e3 05 with the sheer scale of everything, and the explosions don't matter cause they can be amped up before actually releasing the game.

Totally breath taking........................ ..................but did anyone else think that the guy who looked like rico sounded really annoying when he talked on the drop ship thingy? (LOL)

watch the HD version on Gametrailers and just sit back. Its quite amazing what they've managed to achieve graphically with this game.

well then let's close the book on KZ2
and wait until it's release in 2008 . . . the graphics may change to be better or maybe worse . .if they said it's just a pre pre pre alpha . . .anything can change in the final result . . .
well just have 2 wait and see . . . .

The Killzone2 team did a nice job and the game looks great even if it doesn’t match the CGI 100%. The thing I wonder about is, will it take all PS3 games 20 million to look this good?

Its a completely different time of day, theres also alot you can't make out in that video, h/d or not.

The Colours are also quite rich, which you wouldnt see, as i'm sorry to say, even the h/d trailers are darker then the actual game.

You also cannot really compare the e3 05 trailer properly due to it being in the daytime!!

This is a night level, with diff weather fx.

Once they start showing daytime stuff, then you'll know, and besides 8months is along time.

The blood fx was the best i've seen by far. Real Liquid. woo hoo

sony said,"do what you got to do.""have it done when you think it's ready.""show us when you think the world(read:360 fanboy)are ready to see footage of your game.""you need help?""we got you covered with any resources you need.""hire as many as you need."

and that's how it went.and this is how how it will end up:

E3 game of the show:KILLZONE 2
Best E3 presentation articles in the magazines:SONY

caligamer and those above who stuck with sony and playstation,who bought ps3 not just for current games but future games,for the ones saving up for the next round of playstation,give yourself a round of applause.

that's what a market leader does:THEY LEAD THE WAY.just when you think you know what's going on,you flip the script on them.sony did that.guerilla did that.

microsoft thought by having the ability to add parts like it was the sega genesis(loved that system),that it would match ps3.they failed.they recreated 360 with the elite.they failed.ps3 still outguns 360 with more features built in.they did not see every future TV having hdmi and 1080p support.

microsoft made a camera.but sony went and created eye of judgement.microsoft didn't see that coming.

microsoft made viva pinata.but didn't see LITTLE BIG PLANET coming.

microsoft made xbox live.but didn't see HOME coming.every 360 fanboy thought sony would copy xbox live.sony said,"hell no!""that's last gen text.""why do that for NEXT GEN?"

microsoft went with dvd-9.sony went with BLURAY for games and movies.

KILLZONE represents what sony always does:THEY SHOOT FOR THE STARS.what good would it be to just play it safe?bikers and skaterboarders would still be doing what i used to do over 2 decades ago.but people like tony hawk took risks.and now they do stuff i would never do.sony may risk it all,but the rewards are astronomical.you win some,you lose some.but without taking that risk,you go nowhere.and that's microsoft.

the BIG BUTTON controller is too little,too late.and doesn't INNOVATE.it adds nothing new to gaming.no leap forward.NO RISK.

thank you guerilla and sony.you didn't go for status quo.you went for it.and i applaud you for it.great job.to all the haters,YOU GOT OWNED TODAY.and that includes sleeper cell agents like feral and kewlkat.and bladestar is trying his best to hate,but the black beast has got a hold of him.let it eat you blade.let it eat you.it's okay to be consumed by the beast.

carry on playstation fans.

i really dont realise why people say it didnt match it, duh, but it looks just as good or better, especially the weathering, and reactions, please stop with the COD4 and crysis sh1t, this early trailer already is making both of them look like old news, stop bringing them up

and of course the game can and will look even better with 8 months, so please give up the false talk

But in comparison, the new vid looks very grey

I do not think the main action is CGI, but if you look at the intro sequence when they are coming into land, the background is almost certainly realtime footage over a CGI backdrop.

But theat makes no odds, It just a good use of available techniques

But wait theres more

Does it for me, meets my requirements.

It comes no way near, disagree all you like because you know deep down it does not come close to the target render, compare thr stills if you are still not convinced.

Before I start I just want to state that I think this game look f***ing awesome, and far exceeded all expectations I had when I saw the E3 05 trailer, I was expecting to be let down majorly, and I was wrong.

And for anyone that has only seen this trailer, please go watch this video before making a judgement:

http://www.gametrailers.com...

Simply amazing.

But now, onto the criticisms... matching up the trailers. I know there is still a long time in development yet, but comparing what they were aiming for (05) and what they have achieved (07), it falls down in 2 areas.

Firstly, the color pallet. I know it is a dim and dingy warzone, and it won't be pretty and colorful, but it looks quite washed out to me. Not dark and grimy, but pale and drained. They need to get a lot more color depth in the game, I think it could do wonders for the general appearance. Keep the dark and dingy feel, but put a bit a bit more life into it!

Secondly, in my opinion, the particle effects need quite a bit of work. The bit at the beginning where the transporter got destroyed, was quite disappointing compared to how well they have done with everything else. The fire and smoke effects aren't fantastic, and the look worse when you match them up against the target render. Key points to look for are the first explosion, and the helghast with the chain gun being blown up.

Facial animation could do with some work, but general animations of the models and ragdoll physics look great. One thing that I don't like the look of with CoD4 is that the player seams to float along. This makes it much easier to see whats goin on and for aiming, but it really puts me off, the view that we have seen in this trailer seams to bob, duck and weave like a real human, makes you feel like your actually in control. I cannot wait to see the multiplayer component of this game. Imagine the size of the maps and amount of players from RFOM, in these stunning graphics. Makes ya think don't it? I was extremly impressed with the enviroments displayed, so detailed and extremly busy, looks like you could have so much fun in like a team deathmatch scenario. In fact I would go so far to say that the environments are one area where the 07 trailer actually exceeds the 05 trailer.

I don't see why people are putting this game down, must be something to do with extreme fanboyism. Yes, it may not match the trailer perfectly, but the trailer is completely pre-rendered. They have done a damn good job, and this is a damn fine game, and they deserve nothing but respect.

guerilla good job

http://www.n4g.com/M/8/Imag...

Guerrilla and sony did awesome with this!

Can't wait for this one.....Give me back my Bubbles you Fanboy bastards!!

It seems that SONY is the talk of n4g.com

There are alot of XBOTS gone missing all of the sudden...HAHAHHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHA HA

2.1.8

When the Halo Beatdown begins.

This game will be the ultimate FPS and only on the ps3

The killzone 2 game equals the trailer, destroys any potential competition and keep in mind this code is pre alpha it will look even better as we see it from now until 2008.

Sony fanboys are pathetic! KZ2 doesn't look like the target renders, the texture quality isn't even in the same ballpark. Call me when it gets close to Gears of War or GRAW2 then we can talk. Crappy flames, crappy textures, no where near CG graphics.

It is missing that CG glow of the 05 trailer, but the 07 video has surpassed the massiveness when it comes to overall quality. The Enviroment are more detailed and there is so much more going on in the 07 video then in the 05 trailer. Yeah, Ill admit that some of the textures and even colors look a little bland, but IMO if they had kept with the smaller scale of battle from the 05 trailer they would have surpassed the trailer by now. AS is in the Pre-alpha stage it looks really close with more happening on-screen now than in 05. What they need to fix is some textures and effects the fire being one of them, but all in all I am very excited about this game.

Sony really does need another mainline shooter franchise. They pretty much gave up after the PS3 generation, and I'm really surprised they haven't tried at another high-profile, singleplayer-centric shooter; even if it weren't Killzone or Resistance.

I miss Killzone while I can see why they still do Horizon has some really good things but I do think that Horizon is overrated imo.

Or how about studios focus on projects that they feel passionate about, and not be forced to make something they have little interest in. It shows in the final product.

It’s still got potential for the modern era. The DNA is all there. The install base is there. The interest is there. The time is now.

Killzone 2 and 3 were farkin brilliant and way better than halo

Too bad they've abandoned em smh, then theres sony barely even acknowledging what us fans want. Every time they sale a certain high amount it get like that with them smh

Because Killzone games are awesome, that's the reason.

New ip after 3'rd horizon please 🙏

Give it to Bungie. The Helghast are awesome enemies and Bungie could make something really cool

not enough interest to keep it alive

I’m beating a dead horse here… but Resisitance FOM gun lay out was so fun, multiplayer was one of my top favorite experiences. Insomniac nailed it and I would love a remaster and maybe a redo with Reisistance 2. They listens to players who were wanting a Halo killer and it kind of lost its character from the first.

Warhawk, if they had just remade the first one not Starhawk which offered nice things like the build and battle.. but Warhawk was the best arcade shooter I ever played. Back when you didn’t have battle passes and you actually had to get certain amount of kills or ribbons to unlock different paint skins on the Warhawks and armor for your player.. Look at the success of Helldivers 2, it’s a fun game and it reminds me of Warhawk in a way. I’ve been wanting a remake or sequel since the beginning of the ps4 gen.. it’s hurts to have hope nowadays. Even with the demise of the studios Sony has a steady fan base.

Killzone game after Killzone 2 play style would be nice

Motorstorm would be epic with the visual upgrade, maybe this game would be a harder sell with the genre being not as popular nowadays..

Resistance franchise, Motorstorm and Dirt 2 which was fun as heck. Add Dead Space 2 as well.

I quickly looked and only saw the words PS5 Remaster and a picture of Fall of Mans logo

Ahhhh shit, well maybe one day

Resistance 1-3 remastered with online

Kill zone 1-3 remastered with online

God of war PS3 games and PSP games collection

Infamous 1-2 with all dlc please we need this. It’s such an underrated franchise and so much potential. In this age of super hero media craze Sony should utilize infamous

White knight chronicles 1-2

Warhawk and starhawk

Motorstorm series

MGS4

Easy money would be to remake Resistance and Killzone series, rather than just a remaster. And PS5 desperately needs some couch co-op shooters so this would scratch that itch.

Infamous 1+2 and KZ 2+3

Deus Ex Human Revolution

GTA IV needs one.
Still stuck on PS3 and 360.

PS3 ended up been a beast of a console, slow out of the gate, picked up steam, smashed through the finish line. The 1st PS3 slim is still one of my favourite consoles. So solid, great games, by the time GTA5 and the last of us had come out it was a clear winner for me

Nice to see that they included Pupetteer in this list.

"PS3 may not have been the strongest generation"

Meanwhile...just looking at exclusives alone and not even third party titles

Uncharted was born
Demon's Souls was born
Metal Gear Solid 4
God of War 3
The Last of Us was born
Little Big Planet was born
Warhawk
Killzone 2 and 3
Infamous was born
Resistance was born
Motorstorm was born
Gran Turismo
Heavy Rain
Journey
Shadow of the Colossus returned paving the way for the remake in the PS4 generation
PS Plus was born

Sorry bud, but the PS3 generation was amazing and featured the greatest console comeback in history.

That said, I'd love it if Warhawk returned or Metal Gear Solid 4. It needs to not be shackled to the PS3 generation anymore. A Killzone 2 remake would be insane with modern graphics and that art direction.

I really miss this gen of gaming. It felt like the last truly "great" era for videogames before the modern approach really took hold.

The PS3 was such a glorious console. The UI, the games, the free online...just incredible.

Add Mag to that list.

I would pay good money for a Warhawk remake. Socom too. The last Socom game just didn’t do it justice. Folklore could use a remaster or remake as well.
Several other titles I would like to remade with the amount of visual fidelity the current gen has over the past consoles it could help articulate the games that we’ve loved growing up. I would love even some ps2 titles to remade.. Dark Cloud from ps2, Legacy of Kain series but don’t know what will come of it sense it was bought by Embracer group and all there layoffs.

This strategy is exactly what helped ruin Xbox. Sony more than Microsoft know when to let a franchise go and that is important to keep things fresh. The old games are there if you want to play them.

Resistance series and Killzone 2 & 3 remasters/remakes. Make it happen. They will print money.

FF13 is top of this list for me. No matter your opinion on it, it being the only numbered offline FF out of all 16 not to be on new consoles is odd. GTA IV would be great too

The only reason my PS3 is still connected is because of the Resistance, Heavenly Sword, Motorstorm games that I still love to play. I am for remaking or remastering them.

Would absolutely love a remastered collection of the resistance games

Resistance 1-3 and Killzone 1-3 too. Folklore and 3 Dot Heroes are underrated gems.

Why remaster games that ps5 players can't access when you can remaster a 4 year old game like tlou2 that was already patched with ps5 improvements

Would love a remake of the first Resistance game and also Tools of Destruction.

A gem of a gen, imo! So much IP to pluck.

Infamous 1&2 will sadly always be ignored by Sony, not even a ps4 remaster the whole gen, smh but uncharted, horizon, even days gone had next gen upgrades sheesh 🤦🏽 mane even tho Sony is still doing pretty good in the console business they are a lil big headed lol, I never played the resistance series but it would of been dope to see those games updated as well, we fans get lil surprises here n there but things we really are into having and being vocal about gets passed over like a mf 🤣😩

Remasters are a waste of time and developer resources. Real Devs make new games.

God I would live a Killzone or Resistance collection. Really hoping for a new one in either franchise down the line, loved both series.

I’d say new sequels instead.

Got be resistance /prototype as well

How much prefer the killzone universe to that of Horizon's.

Killzone again pls 🥺

Gratz Guerilla, amazing Studio and engine, love Decima!

I was never a huge fan of Killzone, but thoroughly enjoy Horizon. Guerrilla are superb developer and easily up there with the best of the best.

Need a killzone 2 remake from the ground up.

One of the most creative studios out. I hope they keep it up.

Great studio, loved the Killzone series, I wish they would do a remake of the first three games. Horizon is a real step up and truly put Guerrilla Games on the map.

Too bad I never got a chance to play Shellshock: Nam’67 would have loved to try that game out back in the days to see what were their beginnings.

Bring back killzone (maybe in 3rd person perspective)

It would fantastic to see what they could do in Killzone after the lessons learned through Horizon.

Or heck, give us even a short linear FPS from the people who designed Cauldron THETA in the Burning Shores expansion. Even just flying into it (after gliding around and finding its opening amongst the lava and Sunwings perched around it, with other bigger machines just along the path toward it) was an incredible experience.

Great work until now. Keep on this path

Hope they get the opportunity to create a new IP this gen as well.

Forbidden West is awesome, It’s pretty damn big compared to Zero Dawn and it takes a little while to get your skills up and get the equipment you need to fully explore the game (not going to spoil it) but once you do those things and start fighting the big ass machines it really is amazing. Some cool side quests to where you hold the fate of peoples lives by your choice and the cauldrons look amazing. Lots of skills , combos, special moves and add ons for your weapons so you can approach fights many ways. Looking forward to the name game but I wonder how/if Silas will be a part of it or not ? Sad he’s gone.

Killzone games weren’t the best shooters but damn did they look purty!!!!

Killzone 2 remade with the multiplayer

20 years of mid-tier games and they are trending down.

I'm hyped for whenever Horizon 3 releases but Killzone 1 needs a remake BAD and 2 & 3 need remasters. Criminal those games are stuck on PS3.

Hold up

Horizon: Zero Dawn sold 24.3 million
The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild sold 29.81 million

With the way journalists have been consistently saying BotW overshadowed Horizon you’d think the gap between an entry in a new IP and a longrunning one would be bigger Even if you want to include however much the Wii U version of BotW did, both series still did impressive numbers

I never want to hear that Horizon is an overlooked franchise ever again

i really loved the atmosphere and idea of killzone. i hope they revisit it at some point because it always had so much potential.

Bring Back Killzone please or at least a KZ2 remake with MP.