Are there any games on 360 that are HD?

Honestly, it seems most of 360's big games are below 720p. Pathetic

cause this GAME is a console exclusiv and i dont think that the PC-version would hold back the 360...

now even the exclusive Games are gimped on the 360, cause of the DVD format

Well, I honestly don't care. I still can't wait for this game.

Who cares about graphics really? MGS3 is still the best game ever and it's "sub-HD" right?

I think games on xbox aren't required to be hd. Microsoft removed this limitation some time ago. But maybe i'm wrong.

lol this Digital Foundry guy is on a 360 annihilation mission. Well i guess i'm all for spreading the truth.

LMFAO!!!

Seriously is this the next gen or what?

Damn

TGSI

But we're gaming in this generation, not last generation. Technology is supposed to take a step forward, not stay in the past.

If your argument is to hold any water, go play Splinter Cell on the original Xbox and leave this alone. The whole point about buying a PS3 or 360 is to take advantage of current HD trends in software and cinema. Why is it that we are suddenly expected to be content with a huge step backwards? People like yourself who are actually okay with this BS are what is allowing this lackadaisical behavior to propagate.

I just remembered, do you guys remember when microsoft lifted the requirement for games on 360 to be minimum 720p? It was last year I think but from then on, developers weren't required to make 360 games minimum 720p. I wonder why. And as we've seen lately.....tons of sub-hd games lol. I remember when microsoft said that, 360 fans were saying it won't change anything and that it gives devs the choice. But ps3 fans were saying its because the 360 hardware can't handle current high end games anymore in 720p. The console isn't powerful enough. Looks like YET AGAIN the ps3 fans were right. Give yourselves a round of applause

576p 720p...both look like crap.

HD and 720p should not go together. heck even 1440x900 is pushing it.

Haha, well I actually still love Chaos Theory on the original xbox. And my point was that Hideo Kojima reached perfection on last gen hardware.

Should this be allowed? Of course not. Things should always progress and not regress. Right right right right right right right right right. But it isn't a deal breaker for me cause I love the Splinter Cell franchise.

As long as the game's good, I don't see why people examine things the way done in the linked picture. It's still a pretty above average looking game. It in no way competes with GoW3 or Uncharted 2 or any of those graphical monsters but to be blunt, most ubisoft games always look a little fuzzy.

Why complain if you're having fun?

edit: By the way, I'm a firm believer that you learn something new everyday. Well thank you (and +bubbles). I now know what lackadaisical means.

I have high respects for Splinter Cell and Ubisoft. Maybe they wanted to focus more of the hardware resources on graphic or/and stability.

Xbox360 a sub-HD console

Well of course, Splinter Cell was one of the biggest reasons to own an XBOX last generation. But, for someone like myself who is looking forward to such a large increase in visual fidelity that today's gaming technology is supposed to bring, news like this is even just a bit disappointing. I fully understand that without quality gameplay, graphics are just wasted potential, but I think by now one would come to expect the best of both worlds? We have already come to witness that the Splinter Cell franchise is capable of delivering a compelling experience, but something that the first games always had were also top-of-the-line graphics. I don't believe that to be too much to ask for with Conviction, do you?

Besides, there are plenty of examples this generation where graphics have purposefully taken a backseat to gameplay (Mega Man 9, for one). In the case of Conviction, for as long as it's been in development and how much bullsh1t that the developers spewed forth over the last few years about how it's "only possible on the 360", I expect more from Ubisoft.

Do you see my point a bit more clear now? I'm glad you did take *something* away from my initial post, at least.

Dammit, I'm super mega pissed, for a couple reasons.

And here they are.

For starters, my XBox is dead again. Its been getting RRoD a few times, but then turns off and on again and works. Only now it works for about 2 minutes and then just freezes.

Any ideads anyone? Seriously, any ideas?

2nd I just payed 30 bloody dollars because I needed 300 M$ points to get Perfect Dark, only you cant buy 300 points, you have to buy 1500 for about 1/3 of a full priced game. And not they're worthless.

3rd Perfect Dark and Splinter Cell were the 2 games I was really looking forward to on XB. If I could have just made it long enough to play them I would have been fine, but I'm not buying a 4th XB just for 2 games.

God dammit, this is why I buy all my multiplats for PS, I dont care about the differences you cant even notice without side by side scrennshots. I care the damn thing works when I turn it on and its clear now to me (as it always was) that spending my investment on XB would have been a waste. You can call that trolling if you want but put yourself in my shoes. XB breaks, I only have a few games I care about I cant play. Still got Bad Company and a few recent others (only just got RE5) that I can play on PS3.

So if anyone knows about freezing and a easy fix, please let me know. No more XB, means no more Tenchu as well, and that really does piss me off.

PS
These sub HD games arent surprising. XB is trying to keep up in graphics, and compromises have to made somewhere for all those fancy effects. Seems its in resolution. There could make it 720p, and a lot more plain as well. Its a design choice. I guess the upscale chip was agood idea in the long run.

So much for that "sweetspot" though that M$ was so proud off talking about.

Yeah of course, understand completely. Especially agree with this:

"but I think by now one would come to expect the best of both worlds?"

Which is why I loved Uncharted 2 and Killzone 2 so much. Great graphics and nearly perfect gameplay (I'm one of those that loved KZ2 for the heaviness).

But I'm just not one to stress *this* much for graphics like the person in the article. Like I said, I've come to expect this from ubisoft games at this point.

I'd give you bubbles on your comment but I already gave you bubbles before. Thought that counts you know.

@ Shadow-flare:

"And as we've seen lately.....tons of sub-hd games lol. I remember when microsoft said that, 360 fans were saying it won't change anything and that it gives devs the choice. But ps3 fans were saying its because the 360 hardware can't handle current high end games anymore in 720p"

So by lowering the res and not needing the minimum of 720p, they are able to pump out more details and complexity into the games right? Does this mean that games releasing this year and in the future will follow the same trend? I wonder what res Metro 2033 is in.

@bathjy

cheapest solution for multiplats would be to get a 150usd gpu for your pc.

then get all the games at a reduced price and play them all @1080p 60fps+ thats something no console can do(for all the games, even ps3 with its 400+titles released only does 1080p in about 25games).

@below

Maybe for console owners 720p sounds like something new, however any pc gamer will tell you they were playing at resoultions above 720p as early as late 90's. Which is why 720p doesnt really amuse anyone in the PC community. Niether does anyone take it seriously.

Its something used by console companies as a marketing tool. What else would they call this gen of consoles? they need some new terms to promote their goods HD is that term. However 720 isnt anything great.

"HD and 720p should not go together"

Your obviously more up with tech than me but last time i checked 720p was hi def. (Like Uncharted 2)

Anyway i think the new Splinter Cell will be pretty sweet. Hoping it might come to PS3 at some stage.

maybe the resolution is lower to make the demo smaller?

if not then im just not going to bother getting this game, lazy devs dont get my cash, after playing god of war 3 i expect big things from my games, if they dont deliver tough bickies.

I think your 360 is on it's way out....have you tried any of the 'DIY' videos?

http://www.instructables.co...
http://www.crunchgear.com/2...

@Champ21
Upgrading bathyj's PC doesn't help him with the games he already has or with the MS points that he has just paid for

I don't see the big deal. a game either looks good or it doesn't. The number of lines of resolution dont make that big of a difference.

I'm a pretty impartial gamer, I'll play my JRPGs/ RPGs/ action titles wherever I can find them. But the demo yesterday was a juddery mess. Horrid character models and a script and dialog that came right from the toilet.

Again, this is not a 360 issue. The 360 has plenty of decent looking/ playing games. This just isn't one of them.

@Bathy - Get an X-Clamp fix from ebay for about $5, it works most of the time.

They think the difference between 921,600 (1280x720) pixels and 589,824 (1024x576) pixels is neglectible.

Because almost HALF the resolution is neglectible, lol.

I tried the demo yesterday, and I have some thoughts on it.

From the footage I'd been seeing for the past year or so, I expected this game to be a graphical powerhouse on the 360, but it wasn't really. The interrogation scene at the beginning of the demo was the visual highlight, it looked pretty darn good, but then the actual gameplay comes in (I know that the interrogation scene is playable, but I'm talking about the real gameplay that comes in thereafter) and the graphics aren't nearly as impressive in the "disarm the bomb" mission. The lighting is very good, but the geometry is just sort of plain. Texture quality seemed good enough. I noticed a TON of screen-tearing in this demo. All that said, it may not have the texture and geometry detail going on to make it the visual highlight I was looking for, but it DEFINITELY has STYLE on its side, and makes it a very visually pleasing game to behold.

All that said, I don't really care that the game didn't turn out to be a powerhouse graphical masterpiece because it definitely looks good enough, I mean it's not like it has bad graphics or anything, it's up there on a Gears of War level if you ask me, which is still very good, but MOST IMPORTANTLY, the gameplay is really fun. I've never liked any Splinter Cell game before and I had high hopes that this one would change my mind with its new emphasis on improvised solutions to the various situations he gets in, and I wasn't really disappointed. While this demo didn't really represent much in the way of those improvised solutions to getting around your mission, I just found that overall the game was more accessible and fun than the older titles in the series.

I look forward to it.

The Box is taking a beating this week.

You know Metal Gear Solid 4 is 576p, it's also the best selling exclusive on PS3 by a pretty wide margin and I think that most people, myself included, happen to think it's a pretty damn good game. Weird.

"You know Metal Gear Solid 4 is 576p"

No. It is not. Metal Gear Solid 4 is 1024 by 768p. Now, 720p refers to the height resolution. And MGS4 height resolution is 768p. We all know that 768p > 720p. Simple math.

Played the demo last night, read developers comments on 360 vs PC specs...Call BS on these guys...Looks to me like they mailed in the 360 version, difference is night and day...Unreal 2.5???...WTF...I thought we were moving up NOT down...lol...No excuse at this point...The cut scene's that don't involve Sam Fisher look like Xbox 1...Seriously...Good developers make good games...opposite is true in this case...Game should look AMAZING on PC...Microsoft needs to take a long, close look at this, something not right...

You know that ps3 also has subhd games..

Let's look at KZ2 which ps3 fanboys defend as being graphicly something amazing.

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Blurry so it can keep up 15fps+ all smoke and mirrors.

Really this is better than the 360 in any way???

Now we go to Uncharted 2

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All blur, subhd and no AA.

I know it's easy to bash one of the consoles. But why even bother talking about graphics on these 5 year old machines? Before you say ps3 is not 5years old, the graphics-chip the ps3 uses is older than 5 years.

Now go burst in tears and call me a liar. I know it will make you feel better.

yikes @ 360 and MS wtf damn 360 fans put on your hard hats : )

@ PROX1 above- uncharted2 is 720p and KZ2 supports 1080i native resolution... the human eye can not tell the difference between 720p and 1080p on a tv smaller then a 42"

uncharted2 is best looking game on console because of the work done on the graphics, not the rez.

and kz2 frame rate dips because of everything it is accomplishing such as particle effects all the chaos on screen plus the graphics all does a number on the processor. it is a technical marvel.

now if splinter cell was doing amazing things and amazing graphics technically.. then this would be acceptable, but it is not, the graphics are just decent, technically the game does nothing special. so that is where the sad part comes in i guess. it is not just about the rez, it is about the technical aspects the game is accomplishing. not that the game isnt fun it could even be the best game anyone has ever played, we are just talking about graphics, rez and power.

some people have to much time on their hands.

So you select a couple of off screen pics of Killzone 2 online. These screens "just so happen" to be when you have been shot and the screen blurs. This automatically makes the game not a graphical powerhouse? Then you show a few pics of UC2 with crappy capture. The scenes look beautiful, but Drake is blurred because he is in motion and the capture method is $hitty. No game is perfect, but you could not have picked a worse 2 games to try and downplay. If you want to talk about technical aspects. The 360's best exclusive shooter, Halo 3, generates a 2 frame buffer in sub HD resolution vs. Killzone 2 generating 8 720p buffers simultaneously. Uncharted 2 has some of the best draw distances I have ever seen and the character animations are unrivaled.

P.S. Oh did I mention that this is also some crappy site I have never heard of.

You are so full of xbox fanboy fail its not even funny, or is it just too funny?

haha. Pretty much every FPS's screen blurs and/or color bleeds when you get hit by bullets. KZ2 is not the exception to that rule. You are so full of it and you know it hahaha. You've ever been punched in the face? Get your mom to sock you one and see how your vision blurs. It must be the graphical powerhouse in your brain failing.

Uncharted2. Boy did you pick the wrong title to argue. That title's motion blur and depth of field are some of the best in the industry and noted as such by many publications. The fact that Nathan is blurry and the background is sharp is EXACTLY how your eye focuses when looking into the distance for enemies or at scenes. The fact that these shots were caught between frames is irrelevant. Try this, stick your finger right next to your eye and look at your fingertip, then focus at the computer screen in front of you and watch as you finger "magically" blurs! Oh wait, you're such an insipid fanboy, you'll even deny reality. Forget what i said hahaha .

And finally get your facts straight. When everyone can google resolutions off the internet, telling people an outright lie about kz2 or uncharted 2 being Sub-hd with no AA is just retarded. Both beyond3D and neogaf have confirmed these titles to be 1280 x 720 resolution with quincunx for the former and 2XMSAA for the latter.

MS made announcement about no longer requiring 720p minimum games. If the game benefits in performance from a reduced resolution then the devs are making that call. The system has the scaling chip to do the rest. In the case of the 360, I would take a high detailed lower res game than a low detailed high res one. Seems they found their balance of power is somewhere between 576p and 640p

I cant recall when but i think they mentioned it when they also increased the xbla game size.

Since MS dropped the requirement for all games to be a minimum of 720p for the 360 all devs haven't bothered. Instead they make a crappy res game and let the console upscale. The reason being its easier to develop but its the sole reason PS3 exclusives look far better than 360 exclusives. I wouldn't be surprised if Halo Reach was sub HD too as Halo 3 was remember.. and so was its "expansion".

It's actually only 4 framebuffers worth of data, some of which are in low resolutions like 640x360. The actual target render is 1280x720, but some transparency buffers and effects that are going to be blurry regardless are in lower resolutions to save framebuffer space, memory bandwidth and fillrate for where it's actually needed.

On topic: It is a tad disappointing that the game will not 720p native. I'm sure fans of the game will not notice or care, and this in no way prevents the game from being good.

My question is can you tell a huge difference between if it was 720p and its 576p state now? If not then heck keep it at 576p who cares if its not actual if it looks it fine by me. Yet to play this i will download it tonight.

Serious...what are you 2 guys going on about...KZ2 and UC2...lol...Gears manhandles BOTH those games in every way..

UC2 is an arcade shooter with some nice graphical moments, mostly cut scenes that have nothing to do with game play. Stealth play, what stealth play... The snow level with the " demon Yeti" has some of the worst textures out there. Did that Yeti look next gen???..LMAO... The truck driving sequence on the mountain look nice...for xbox 1... The gun play mechanic is last gen and terrible at that. Gotta love that grenade throwing idea, looks like a spaceship came on the screen, not to mention having to look up in the sky to throw with any distance...Strange drops in audio, game ending bugs...got stuck in the sandbags outside hotel level, game freezes from time to time ( okay it happened once ) helo boss battles...lol...is that next gen???...The platforming is stolen from Prince of Persia sands of time right down to the dying cinematic and music. Story borrowed every Indiana jones cliche. Still all the cut scenes on top of cut scenes break the camels back so to speak...lol...There's more things wrong with that game than is right...that's why people who actually play games bought MW2. It out sold UC2 3 to 1...The gamers have spoken...UC2 for Ma, Pa, kids and PS3 fan boys...

KZ2, where to start. CGI trailer was great, this game did not look like the CGI trailer, nowhere near that fidelity...Controls...worst FPS controls out there made worse by the worst gaming controller out there...like trying to shoot of a camel...lol...Visuals that go from good to bad in the blink of a eye, like turning on the lights...Weird loading, enter a room...load...exit said room...load...Must be a next gen thing...LMFAO...lazy level design...Shoot a helghan, his helmet comes off almost everytime...lol...Dumb, last gen textured bosses, but they did have red eyes...lol...Attempted to match Gears ( train level, factory level ) and failed...same for UC2, that's why the want to be compared to Gears...the best this gen...no doubt...

That's why I have all consoles, follow the devs, here from the horses mouth on things that matter...Will Gears3 be the next bench mark...Maybe KZ3 will be...I hope it offers more than a half naked guy with bear heads on his hands fighting 1600 ft monsters with a million cut scenes, A PS3 contribution to next gen...LOL

GDC Awards

Game of the Year
Assassin's Creed II (Ubisoft Montreal)
Batman: Arkham Asylum (Rocksteady Studios)
Demon's Souls (From Software)
Dragon Age: Origins (BioWare)

WINNER: Uncharted 2 (Naughty Dog)

Best Technology
Assassin's Creed II (Ubisoft Montreal)
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (Infinity Ward)
Killzone 2 (Guerrilla Games)
Red Faction: Guerrilla (Volition)

WINNER: Uncharted 2 (Naughty Dog)

Seems that despite you trying to truncate Uncharted & Killzone down to their basics, They were nominated, and others won. The technology is second to none, unlike the unreal engine. Batman wasn't even nominated for technology, because its just high polygon models with specular maps on everything making it look terrible like Gears.

The same pathetic way you say "WELL ITS BASICALLY JUST A SHOOTER" blah blah, applies to every single 360 game and *gasp* all games.

http://gdc.gamespot.com/sto...

This is why you just got owned.

The 360's hardware is dated, which is why 90% of its "exclusive" pc/360 titles are subhd. Can't pull off the visuals in a this-gen resolution standard of 720p and push the envelope. The sad thing, its just the unreal engine. They can't even get that working.

@ms82: High definition matters in this generation because we're on television sets 720p and above. The only exception to this gen is the Wii but with the kind of games that thing gets, it's almost understandable. This doesn't exempt the 360 though. It's a core console and should be delivering the best for the audience it's targeting. So yes, lines do count. You don't go into the industry telling your consumer base HD was already here and then decide to drop min. requirements for it so that games can 'appear' but not look better. That's a slap on the face.

@callahan:

"From the footage I'd been seeing for the past year or so, I expected this game to be a graphical powerhouse on the 360, but it wasn't really."

Who knows, they may be able to improve it a lot before release. Look at the GoW3 E3 demo. The "same" stage in that demo is so different (graphics, fps, gameplay, and direction) from the actual game. If anything, I feel that they may improve it so much it'll be a really great looking game. I'm anxious for SCC or rather anything Tom Clancy.

You do realize that the E3 demo for GOW3 was done at least 9 months before the final game right? Unlike SC:C which released it's demo 1 month before the final game. The amount of polish you can accomplish in 2 weeks before the games has to go gold for production is minimal at best.

are surprised.

It a result of the well known trade-off between polygonal detail and pixel detail faced by all 360 developers. Apparently these developers chose polygonal detail.

@1.33 totalps3fanboy
"No. It is not. Metal Gear Solid 4 is 1024 by 768p. Now, 720p refers to the height resolution. And MGS4 height resolution is 768p. We all know that 768p > 720p. Simple math."

You're right, it is 1024x768, my bad. However 1024x768 is NOT 768p. 768p is 1366x768 progresive. 720p is 1280x720 progressive or 921,6oo pixels vs 1024x768 (786,432 pixels) which is about 15% less resolution than 720p. Still "sub-hd" as you guys all define it. Simple math.

Uncharted 2 is super linear, there is 1 way to do something. Splinter Cell:Conviction there are several ways to play the mission.

Climb the train one way, Enter the building in Splinter Cell:Conviction 2 ways! Same for that ridiculous stealth stage in Uncharted 2, play real stealth in Conviction Demo to see how stealth is done.

Things like this takes some real power thats why Uncharted 2 cant do it, they'd rather spend memory on graphics while 360 spends memory on game play.

I like game play.

I have no complaints on how this game looks, it sold me on the gameplay. So far so good, until the full game. Carry on fangirls.

but i'm left speechless after reading some mindblowing damage control from the likes of cez of rage.

f$%#ing unbelievable...

"576p 720p...both look like crap.

HD and 720p should not go together. heck even 1440x900 is pushing it."

so i take it its good to do damage control once in a while?

i played the Demo today. it was great. but it looked like a blurry piece of crap.

Speaking of HD, if you're interested in Starcraft 2, check out HDStarcrafts channel at http://www.youtube.com/user...

All his vids are awesome.

@ Mr. Logic:

I wasn't aware SCC is coming out this early. I thought it'd be further down towards June. To be honest, I put my $59.99 preorder on AW before I did SCC thinking Remedy's game would come out sooner. I think I got the two release dates mixed up.