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Why Microsoft will inevitably lose the console war.

thiskid writes: "We've all seen in recent news how Sony now have a game developer portfolio 3 times larger, and arguably stronger than Microsoft's, what does this mean for the future of gaming?"

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FangBlade5905d ago (Edited 5905d ago )

1st party devs are the key to success and Sony knows it.
Microsoft will learn it too, eventually.

FishCake9T45905d ago

IMO Its too late for Sony. NPD numbers just keep showing how the XBOX sales are still beating Sony. If the PS3 released at the same time as the XBOX, with a lower price tag and a better marketing scheme the console war would be much closer. "Next gen starts when we say i does". Obviously not. Sony only have themselves to blame.

cereal_killa5904d ago

So your saying that NDP = the World........amirite. The only place that M$ is clearly doing better is in the US and besides the UK region its the only area that are keeping the 360 selling, Japan is clearly a dead area for M$ and what ever is sold more in the US has been countered in Japan, also Sony has clearly said they are having supply issues in the NA region for the last couple months maybe it's an "excuse" but I doubt it several people in these threads have stated that they are sold out in several areas but it doesn't mean that they're completely sold out everywhere in the US. One thing you are right in is that M$ had a 1 year head start but they also released a faulty system that they knew of just to get those 1 year sales maybe if M$ took there time and fixed the RROD before release they probably would have not sold as much as they did now, Many people I know have purchased newer systems for the reason that there older system might break again and do not want to be with out being able to play video games. But who really knows what will or might have happen if things wend differently.

DJexs5904d ago

If Microsoft wants to win they need to lower the price of the elite and some of their accessories. Ps3 needs to develop a better game library like the ps2 had(has) and keep the price as low as possible.

wouldn't be funny if these 2 companies where fixing the price to screw us over lol a little paroniod thought for yall.

presto7175904d ago (Edited 5904d ago )

Some people might not want to hear it but its true. Their hardware sucks monkey *****. As such, they will fail. They were definitely not thinking long term. Bitter pill to swallow....

@DJex, what do you mean by "better game library". I mean yes we should always demand better games, but you make it sound as if they are struggling game-wise at present.

Godmars2905904d ago

The apparent answer to that is that MS, Greenberg especially, will do everything to keep it alive. Exploit it to sell product while caring jack about quality.

Shadow Flare5904d ago

Greenberg. The guy who said blu-ray absence is key to 360 outselling PS3. And the lack of modern hardware was key to wii's price for it to outsell ps3 and 360. Hell, screw progress. Right guys? As long as it's about sales right?

Sony says no

maniacmayhem5904d ago

I disagree, I think 3rd party is super essential.

3rd party makes up more than 90% of the bulk for consoles. MS knows this and it's probably the reason why they got rid of a lot of their 1st party devs.

It didn't make sense to spend $$$$ on a lot of 1st party devs for hit or miss titles.

Also 1st party alone cannot save your console, just take a look at Dreamcast. All of their 3rd party support bailed on them and they had to bow out the console game.

Danteh5904d ago

It's obvious that SOny will eventually win the console war. Everything is like a PS2 "deja vu":
High starting price, loads of criticism, weak initial game lineup.... and then bam, awesome exclusive after awesome exclusive, best game collection and variety by far, numerous first party studios, Slim + lower price, and of course, God of War III and Gran Turismo 5

Seeing that although they started a year later they are already catching up (and 7 years left for the cicle) and that Sony dominates all the world except USA (here in Spain there's just no contest between PS3 and 360, you buy a PS3 or you just can't play FIFA or MW2 with friends) it's clear.

Neo6045904d ago

Xbox owners would buy 4 xbox after rrod, they would buy any crap from MS.

Cold 20005904d ago (Edited 5904d ago )

"Why Sony will inevitably loose the console war"

You guys would have been crying about how biased the media is and how much evetryone hates Sony.

The thread would have been full of tears, OVERFLOWING with tears, curses and a massive meltdown.

Why dont we get the same reaction when from when it concerns the 360 ? Where all the whiny, oversensitive 360 fanboys :)

BTW, Sony will inevitably lose the console war. 4 years later and still behind the 360 lol.

Cold 20005904d ago (Edited 5904d ago )

"It's obvious that SOny will eventually win the console war. Everything is like a PS2 "deja vu":"

There is no "deja vu" this gen.

Most 3rd party support like PS2 ? Nope.

PS2 in last position 3 years and a half later like PS3 today ? Nope.

PS2 came out after the Gamecube and Xbox like the PS3 came out after the 360 ? Nope.

PS3 outselling competitors almost 5:1 in hardware sales like PS2 at the same period in its liftime ? Nope. Not even outselling the 360 2:1 let alone the Wii.

PS3 has the biggest market (USA) on a lockdown like PS2 at the same period in its liftime ? Nope.

PS3 as profitable as PS2 at the same period after launch ? Nope.

PS3 in 1st position way ahead of Nintendo in Japan its hometurf like the PS2 at the same period in its lifetime ? Nope.

Huge mainstream games like Final Fantasy, GTA, Resident Evil etc exclusive to the PS3 like they were last gen on the PS2 ? Nope.

Wii sold less than than Nintendo's previous console like the GC with the 64 ? Nope.

This gen is whole different ball game.

Godmars2905904d ago

Yeah, take a look at Sega as a 1st party dev had then, compare it to what Sony has now. If you actually look you'll see that MS is a closer comparison to Sega than Sony is. That with Sony it sets its own benchmarks where MS needs 3rd parties to do it for them.

I mean, there was a reason Turn Ten kept calling Forza 3 the new definitive racer and had to mention GT every time.

Smkt5904d ago

bah.. i don't agree.. it's the third party games that make or break the console.. Xb1 died due of lack of third party support.. for each xb1 game there were like 10 better 3rd party games on ps2..

It's not the same with exclusives.. lets say Sony puts out 7-8 exclusives this year.. and ms does around 4-5.. that's just 3 more games for the ps3 that year..

ps3's got great exclusives.. but do they SELL as much as multi-plat games? no they don't.
http://vgchartz.com/worldto...
UC2 was goty09.. and its not even in the top 10.

Oner5904d ago (Edited 5904d ago )

Jason360 said ~

"Right now, Sony is losing."

Click this ~ http://www.entertonement.co...

Press play (if needed)

Then come back here and click this ~ http://www.entertonement.co...

And press play again (if needed)

Then come back and read the below

You seem to be missing one little fact that you just can't seem to wrap your tiny immature brain around ~

SONY = PSP, PS2 & PS3

Nintendo = Wii & DS

Microsoft = ONLY 360

Sony & Ninty are neck & neck for 1st while MS are last. And losing more ground every minute of every day. Sorry you can't deal with that truth.

And before you say it (or anyone else) YES the PS3 is last (I can admit that without issue or "crying like some here because it is truthful). But just in case anyone hasn't noticed (or cared to admit) the PS3 has been outselling the 360 for quite some time now and is gaining on the 360 by the tune of only about 5 Million behind...Not bad for an always more expensive (until recently, and still in some respects) against 2 competitors (with said cheaper price points) while fighting a "format" war" all at the same time PLUS being at a 1 - 1.5 year deficit (depending on location) to MS.

Yep! Not bad....not bad at all ;)

JasonPC360PS3Wii5904d ago (Edited 5904d ago )

Right now, the PS3 is losing.

BTW Microsoft is Xbox 360 and Windows, and Windows is a billion served http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Wi...

The PS3 is still losing. Hell the PSP is losing to DS, infact the PlayStation brand hasn't won anything since the PS2. Xbox is still in 2nd but at least it didn't go from first to dead last.

Below LOL assets = no money in the bank.

Oner5904d ago (Edited 5904d ago )

I see your reading comprehension is just as terrible because I already addressed that. BUT since you really want to be technical (and bring in other topics separate from "Gaming") then how's this suit ya? Sony's total assets are over 225 BILLION while MS is about 70 or so...so um again ~ Sorry to be the bearer of bad (though still factual) news but you are still quite a bit misinformed!

Edit: Assets still show who the bigger company really is! You can't downplay that one! Though you will inevitably try...

Godmars2905904d ago

Xbox1 failed because the only game that gave it any definition was Halo whereas the PS1 and PS2 had multiple 1st and 3rd party franchises to create and build on. That's why MS bought into FF, MGS and GTA for the 360, yet still because of Halo their console is still better known for FPSs.

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What Would Kratos Do5905d ago

Someone can only win if the terms of victory have been clearly defined.

Is victory achieved by :-
1. market share.
2. market share vs last gens market share.
3. total consoles sold.
4. most money made. (or least money lost)
5. most critically acclaimed games.
6. most games sold.
etc.

Tony-A5905d ago

Microsoft does have to realize that taking over the gaming industry didn't come with only money.

Sony has a vision
Nintendo has a vision
Microsoft has money

That's about it. Buying exclusivity obviously hasn't stopped the PS3. The PS3 now has the most critically acclaimed exclusive without spending billions. Sony just bought Media Molocule with their money.... MS bought MW2 DLC a month early....

That's not enough, Micro. Take it from the two companies who have had dynasties before. Take it from the two that have experience. What do they have?

Amazing first party studios/exclusives.

RememberThe3575904d ago (Edited 5904d ago )

Yeah cuz we'd definitely see games like GoW, Killzone, Resistence, Heavy Rain, Syphon Filter, and Twisted Metal from Nintendo, right?

presto717: Sony is indeed a much bigger company but MS prints money. It's not even fair comparing their net incomes.

But I'll do it anyway :)
Microsoft: $17billion
Sony: -$1billion

Even though Sony makes more money and is a much bigger company, they also have much more overhead than Microsoft. It is much more expensive to run a business based on hardware manufacturing than software development.

presto7175904d ago

Total assets of course.

Sony: $230.5 billion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

MS: $77.8 billion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

Hmm. You would think MS was richer considering how much they throw away on DLC, timed-exclusives, misleading ads,etc. Translation: FULL OF FAIL.

fox025904d ago (Edited 5904d ago )

SONY
Market Value 38 bil
Profits Rank:116
Market Value rank: 255
Profit Margin = -3.6%
Profits = $-2.295450228 bil

http://finapps.forbes.com/f...

MICROSOFT
Market Value 257 bil
Profits Rank: 8
Market Value:6
Profit Margin = 27.7%
Profits = $16.258 bil

http://finapps.forbes.com/f...

Couldn't find BigN

EDIT:
LMAO at people disagree with facts. They're not going to change because you disagree.

RememberThe3575904d ago (Edited 5904d ago )

The market value difference is directly attributed to how many shares both companies have on the market. Microsoft has over 8x as many shares on the market as Sony. The Market value is not the total value of the company is simply share x are price.

In this case:
Sony shares are going for $37.61 and they have 1 billion shares out there which puts their market value at around $38 billion.

Microsfot has shares going for 29.29 and has 8.77 billion shares which puts their market value at around $257 billion.

But the profits are the telling numbers. Microsoft blows Sony out of the water what it comes to purely making money.

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Hellsvacancy5905d ago (Edited 5905d ago )

Sony is just full of win, more and more people r startin 2 notice it

RememberThe3575904d ago (Edited 5904d ago )

Everything they did in the past that was laughed at, they meant to do. The entire time they have been moving themselves into a position where they can grow again. SCE knows what they are doing, and they knew what they were doing. They took a hit then to make money latter and it is going to work.

While the media and the newly empowered MS fanboys took pot shot after pot shot at them they kept it coming. They mean it when they say they have a ten year plan. This is just the tip of the iceberg.

presto717: knowing the fanboy mind state, they'll act like the sh*t isn't even there and just keep going about their day with sh*t all over their faces.

presto7175904d ago

Before they used to say that ps3 had no games. Haha. Look at the 360's 2009 lineup.

I wonder how it must feel now that sony is taking a dump on all those people's faces.

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Final Fantasy X 25th Anniversary Website Launches With New Nomura Artwork and Merchandise

Square Enix launches Final Fantasy X 25th anniversary site, revealing new Nomura art, books, music releases, and merchandise.

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-Foxtrot16d ago

Look I know VIII has its issues and all that but how on earth can the do big anniversary events with new artwork and merchandise for VII, IX and X yet VIII got sweet f*** all.

They could have given it something during its 25th anniversary yet all it got was a single Happy Anniversary post on their social media.

solideagle16d ago

they should know that we are OG fans of VIII as it sold truckload as well. not as much as VII or X. I personally didn't like IX but X and VI are my personal fav.

Shadow Hearts 2 covenant is another game I love. I hope one day someone can make remake, I would be delighted

Relientk7716d ago

Final Fantasy VIII is great and you are always the first to defend it in the comments

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15 Years Ago, Mortal Kombat (2011) Saved Gaming’s Biggest Fighting Franchise

A brutal reset, a smarter story, and a return to what made it great—Mortal Kombat (2011) revived the series.

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italiangamer25d ago

"Gaming’s Biggest Fighting Franchise"

Press X to (seriously) doubt.

DarXyde22d ago

Underrated comment. I used to hate that game so much that any time my siblings asked me to play it, I just picked Hom and shut myself down mid-match.

Soy23d ago

And then MK1 killed it again.

DivineHand12523d ago (Edited 23d ago )

15 years went by so fast. I remember playing through the story mode at launch.

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PlayStation legend Shuhei Yoshida says Jim Ryan fired him because he didn't listen to him

Why did Sony push Shuhei Yoshida out of his role leading PlayStation's first-party games? He'd overseen some huge successes. Well, apparently, he didn't listen.

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Relientk7724d ago

Yeah I can see that for sure. Shuhei Yoshida should have been in charge not Jim Ryan.

Cacabunga24d ago

It should be free highway for him now.. but Sony are too stupid to see this, especially that moron Hulst

S2Killinit24d ago (Edited 24d ago )

Wtf why all that anger. PlayStation is dominating on every level. Besides I think there is a little more to hiring a CEO than just who is available. Its not like its a athlete your team wants to buy.

neutralgamer199223d ago

S2Killinit

live service failures, chasing trends, closing studios. yes dominating

Cacabunga23d ago

Sony is Dominating because competition is not existing. Compared to previous gens this is the poorest in terms of software offerings.

Last gen we got Uncharted 4 Lost Legacy and TLOU2 from ND alone.

This is so far a remasters gen, with no competition to lift up the quality

1nsomniac23d ago (Edited 23d ago )

..."PlayStation is dominating on every level"....

...Really???

PlayStation are soon heading into a new generation in the not to distant future. They currently have the worst customer satisfaction they've ever sustained as a company. The company is heading for a huge crash while at the same time they'll need to be planning how they are going to try and win back that favour and the build up to their new releases.

Yes financially they're winning but they're going to have to ride out this complete public corporate disaster. No one has faith in the company or the product anymore. They've damaged their public image so much this generation. Greed can kill anyone.

medman23d ago

Hulst is a disaster......

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blacktiger23d ago

He would've done the same thing and fire Jim Ryan and Shuhei would be the villain. Why?
Because Elite creates the narrative and distraction for gamers, users and citizens.

Outside_ofthe_Box24d ago

More confirmation that Jim Ryan is the culprit for what has happened to Sony. Hulst needs to go too. What sucks is that a lot of the good top heads at Sony are no longer there. I wish that guys that were forced out prematurely by Dumbo Jimbo like Shuhei and Layden came back.

robtion23d ago

Yep. Yoshida was responsible for bringing one of the best games of this generation to playstation (Stellar Blade). He is an actual gamer and is in touch with what gamers want (creative, fun games, not GaaS and agenda pushing). He also seems like a genuinely nice guy if you watch some interviews. Of course they got rid of him.

darthv7224d ago

Makes you wonder if MS even thought about hiring him after Phil and Sarah were leaving. He certainly couldn't make their situation any worse.

Agent7524d ago

Microflop. After Windows XP and Xbox 360, it all went floppy.

S2Killinit24d ago

Floppy 😆
No pun intended

badz14924d ago

Yoshida for President! Jim Ryan was and always be a hack! Sony should get Shu back

Lightning7724d ago

All the gamer/consumer lead heads are gone across PS and Xbox. shuhei gone phil's gone (questionable) but gone. The future of gaming is somewhat uncertain across the board.

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