"I've spoken to the SOCOM team and they've had troubles because the motion control people sometimes really kick the ass of the DualShock people. It's unfair," he says. "They're having balancing issues and stuff..."

This is what worries me, you're basically forced to use a peripheral or risk being severely gimped.

great article df...

I'm only interested in the core gaming applications of both Move and Natal and so far only Move has shown anything of value. E3 will hopefully give a closer look into both and show which if any is going to truly add anything special to gaming.

Even when E3 does come around most of us won't have been able to actually play using these devices which i think is 100% needed in order to have any kind of opinion whatsoever. Lets all go ask Jonathan Ross to compare them for us ;P

Sony just show more of that horror game in the move montage cause that looks pretty damn good.

Now that we know the tech is here.
Now lets talk about costs natal is going probably to be 80+ euro or something not the 50 pachattack predicted. When pach attack said it would cost 50 i thought yeah i can buy natal just for fun like doing party games when friends or over. But now with the rumor its going to be 80+ the software really need to convince me to buy it.

With move you need ps eye that cost like 40 euro now on internetshops just looked it up for holland. Then you only have the camera now you need the stick part predict to cost like 40~60 euro. Predict a 100 euro or so camera+stick+nun chuck bundle. And dont forget that microsoft can still release a same sort of motion controller like sony to be even at the equipment level.

But the best thing of move is that most multiplat titles can implement it right not all use the spu as good. But the existing exclusives dont know about their implementation of move because of the one spu it uses.

Still if the software support both motion controllers it will succeed somehow. I can see move get a lot of conventional games support while natal needs new and unconventional game genres(simulated Touchscreen RTS,etc) from the specs we know right now.

the ball is in microsoft's court and nintendo's court.don't for a minute think sony is just going to show GDC tech demos at E3.but let's look at the key points:

1.move fighter had "gesture based controls."wasn't 1:1.makes haters out to be liers on latancy.

2.move only requires 2MB of memory.meaning ps3 can still have killzone2 and uncharted2 graphics and still have Move controls.wii will still be sub-hd and natal won't have motion and killzone2 level graphics.Move can also be added to any ps3 game up to this date that released.natal can't do that either.

3.wii doesn't have a camera.natal won't have a controller.meaning:ps3 will be doing augmented reality where any item can be placed on Move's controller.

4.wii and 360 won't be doing next gen 3D like ps3.and with Move controls,it trumps what they are doing for future games.

5.Move could theoretically be used on interactive movies downloaded from the PS Store or bluray discs.again,something natal could do but be limited.wii won't do it at all.

6.ANY third party wii game can be brought over to ps3 and made BETTER.sound BETTER,look BETTER and control BETTER.

7.not only can full body tracking be done on ps3,but with ps3,you still will have Move in your hands to have full control.and not casual,shallow controls as you can't pick up fingers with the cameras microsoft are using.

8.with Move,you can be seen in pitch black darkness.can you be seen by natal in pitch black conditions?

9.voice controls can be done on pseye.we have seen it used in singstar.and sony is bringing all their tech over to the SDK for developers to use.another natal cancellation.

10.sony's first party developers have been trumping microsoft's developers and nintendo's this gen.LBP is a better mario game that always changes,MNR is a cart game that always changes.and sony's other games are getting so many awards in just 2 years,that they are leaving the competition in the dust.

name a game nintendo has won awards in recently?name a microsoft game that has garnered awards recently?that's right!sony is smoking them.and will do so again with Last Guardian and GT5.

the winning combination is clear as day.sony can outdo the wiimote with the right developers and they can outdo natal on accuracy and use of buttons on Move and with 3D incoming.

and for those worried about calibrating your game before playing it,watch this guy ***calibrate his game on PS2***:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

I DON'T see the problem here either.

WOW @ the cavalcade of fanboys.

Wasn't Digital Foundry supposed to be biased against Sony products, but now you are considering their words gospel? Funny thing is all you PS fans are really defending the possibility of more and more shovelware in your console, because that is the focus of this new controller. To be a WiiHD, nothing more.

Natal is the same stuff, just a camera with no purpose other than to bring grandpas and soccer moms to the couch.

Shows both pros and cons of the Move, keep in mind the Move is'nt complete. So much more room to increase and build on everything. I also noted that turning with the Move is much quicker than analog sticks, thus a quicker reaction for a quicker kill. However, not all will be better with the Move as their skills would be better with the DS.

If your looking for the bad, youll find it. If your looking for the good youll find it. Everything is in this article.

isnt it gorgeous how we treat animals.

That’s Zuckermans famous pig.

Move controller was extremely accurate great times back then

That definitely would have been the absolute worst time for stick drift to happen...

I always wanted a true to life surgery simulator for PSVR1. I always knew those Move controllers were precise AF under the proper conditions.

Move was a very accurate device under good conditions. Dr Marks even wanted to open it up for hobbyists and developers to extract more data to do more things. I even seen him use it for space, astronaut like simulations.

Sony always had the tech. They just needed the software to go with it. PS Move limit was not having an analog stick. Which it seems the PS5 controller made up for that.

I would like to see them use PS VR 2 for surgery or something with that eye tracking built in.

At least it wasn’t used for a mini-sub

It failed because motion controls can’t beat traditional controls. I’ll admit the tech has come ways since then but I will always choose a controller over a wand.

It was just a terrible controller. It was so crap that Sony refused to waste any more time or money fixing it. Despite me loving PSVR, the move controllers were the biggest let down of the generation. Always felt like they were a generation behind. Even for the ps3 days.

As a stand alone it failed. But it worked well for VR. But I'm glad to see the end of them with PSVR2.

It failed because it wasn't good and didn't have games. Even the wii was a trend and people are over controllers like that for games.

Little early to call Playstation VR a success too. Like other VR platforms it's a niche product and it's easily the worst VR headset, it's cheap so that helps.

It actually didn't fail or was a failure. It sold around 15 million before VR even showed up and had many games to play. Who knows how many more millions of the device were sold for PSVR. Especially when two are required for more immersive hands on gaming like Iron Man or Blood and Truth.

Dr Marks created Move as for some experiences but he knew that the Eyetoy and PS Move weren't core experiences for everybody like the Dual Shock controller. He's said that many times in interviews. It wasn't to take over regular couch controller gaming.

PS Move not only had titles for casuals to play for motion gaming on PS3, you could also play core games like Killzone and Resistance. Unlike its competitors, Wii and Kinect.

Unlike its competitors, PS Move continues to live on and be sold for VR. Wii motion gaming is pretty much dead. And Kinect itself is dead. All those casuals that propped up those other devices, went off to play on their cellphones. Basically making them a fad that didn't last. PS Move continues to be used and works on PS5 and can continue to be used for the life of PS5 for those using PSVR 1. That's 3 generations that PS Move will have been used.

Maybe the writer needs to make an article on why the Wiimote and Kinect are dead and can't be used on Switch or Series S/X. While PS Move continues to exist.

PS Move was the best form of motion gaming of the last, last generation. Wiimote and Kinect were technically far worse than the PS Move. Only Wiimotion Plus could compare and it was too little too late, with only one or two marquee titles proving the 'Plus' being a worthwhile upgrade.

While there weren't enough PS Move games, at least there were some true 'core games' that supported it, from KillZone 3 to Resident Evil 5. Something that Microsoft's 'casual motion system' could not offer, and most Nintendo Wii games didn't offer traditional controller support, whereas PS3 games almost always had a DualShock 3 option.

I'm a big fan of light gun shooters, and both Wiimote and PS Move ushered back in this genre, something the Kinect couldn't do as well. If you think the PS Move "sucked", then go back and play the light gun shooters on it, something not available on 360, Switch, PS4, XBO, XBSX, PS5.

After the PS Move, we did get one light gun system for consoles, the PDP Mars, and I can assure you, the tech inside that thing is truly unreliable junk.

So to sum it up, the last, last generation had three different motion control styles:
Microsoft - went straight stupid with Kinect, and was overall the least reliable worst experience.
Nintendo - all games supported Wiimote, but this was often to its detriment, not enough games supported traditional controls.
Sony - didn't have a ton of PS Move games, but the overall library supported traditional controls (this is overall the best outcome).

Only ever bought a couple Move-only games like Sorcery and the Fight, but I’ve gone ape over PSVR! I’ll always choose the sticks over the controller given the choice for VR. Big fan now.

Nintendo had better marketing and seemed like the real thing.

Xbox and playstation seemed like imitation.

Well,

The "failure" has a controller for the PSVR and soon the PS5 VR.

For all the Wii's success, where is the Wiimote? And Kinect, yeah MS literally took away any functions on the xbox one with updates.

move had some great games and was an awesome "peripheral". if you played wonderbook or resistance then you would probably agree with me.

Failed because there wasn't enough games or "arcade classics" that used the Move. Still use it to play Time Crisis and HOTD from time to time

Wouldn't say failed given its second life as a PSVR option

I had one and beyond the initial “wow this is cool” hour after unboxing it, it basically sat in a cupboard gathering dust.

It wasn’t that fun or revolutionary really when we already had the wiimote, Kinect was more interesting from a technology standpoint but ultimately, the only good motion games were on Wii - not Xbox or PS.

The move was Sony attempt to cash in on the wii craze. Hell, the last article about the move that actually generated a lot of heat on here was over 4,000 days ago. Nobody talks about this, VR, or the vita until someone shames it.. then all the defenders come out the woodworks.

It is basically only peripheral being used for 3 generations,.. So how is it a fail,.. ?? Still being used for Beat Saber, BoxVR,... I heard it was really hard to get. Article is just shit.

Another one of Sony's demented ideas like PS Home and the PSP Go.

I think the problem that Sony faced with the PS move was the PR marketing mess they created around the thing.
1) if it was aimed toward casual well there was nothing casual about setting understanding what you would need to play a game (some require only the camera, others 1 move and some 2 moves)
2) If it was aimed at a more core audience then sorry but the game library was quite small or non-existant.
3) Wonderbook

If Sony would have communicated better and support better the Move I think it would have fared a lot better
My personal favorite game is Tiger wood PGa 11, because the Psmove really makes the game shine.

wait, it failed?

for me it failed because it never went down in price and only a handful of games appealed to me on it
mainly no more heroes and the resident evil cronicles games

It wasn't useful until VR came along but it hindered VR due to its lack of analogue stick. Fortunately psvr2 isn't just using old hardware because of the excess amount of stock available

Failed? What spanned 3 generations and still being sold. Tidy little profit for Sony if you ask me.
Shouldn't this conversation be kinect failed?

The move controller was and still is great for FPS games, I used them alot with killzone 3, socom 4 and MAG. The deadzone aiming was very very competitive, just as good as mouse and keyboard if set up right. It was comfortable to use too in conjunction with the separate analog move controller in the other hand. Imo it has been under utilised and could still be used today in most shooters.

The reason the MOVE failed is obvious. Motion gaming is for casual gamers and Nintendo did an incredible and much better job marketing to them. At the time where casuals were all in gaming on the phone, the Wii brought them to consoles. However, Playstation is a core gamer machine just like XBOX and as the article stated the cost to enter for casual gamers was not only a barrier but even the look of them (heard people say MOVE looks like a sex toy). All these peripheral things fail because most core gamers are not into these things like Home, 3D Gaming, Move, Kinect, and yes I'm saying it, VR. Core gamers support is the consistent life of gaming.

The casual gamer may stick around for a little bit like the Wii because of the fad and hype for non-core gamers but those folks eventually move on to something else. VR was to be that next thing but it has not caught on as big as the Wii with casual gamers. To its credit it has caught on more with some core gamers but as a VR owner, its losing a lot of steam.

If Sony wants to do the smart thing, MOVE on from VR because it will not be supported by most gaming companies that make games for core gamers who don't want to be wearing goggles for hours. Casuals will not be spending the huge investment of a PS5 for them to play PSVR.

I went to a conference in Seattle right when the Moves were announced that was dedicated specifically to showcasing them. We went out for drinks with some of the execs that were there and we specifically asked them, "why are there no thumbsticks on these things!?" They told us that they didn't want to create a controller with multiple movement inputs because it would confuse people. I told them that that very decision is what's going to doom the controller. And sure enough, even with the Navigation controller, they couldn't create enough software to justify any hype around it.

My own opinion is that it just wasn’t that appealing, the dildo controllers and the lack of worth while games kept it back.

Lack of an analog stick on it in my opinion.