That's not the point, it's that people keep listing these as exclusives when they're not. Remove them and, as noted, the 360's line up significantly shrinks because PS3 owners aren't listing multiplatform games like The Agency or Final Fantasy XIV as exclusives. They don't have to.

Final Fantasy XIII on Blu-ray is a PS3 exclusive is what it basically boils down to, it's not really exclusive, but you can twist it to make it sound like it is.

or maybe did you know think the article came from A PC GAMER???

all i saw was a pc gamer tired of most people acting like these games only exist for (insert console name here)

Cold the only one who seems to be bitter here is you.. Why do you boil so much when someone lists ME2 or Splinter Cell as a multi-plat game? I didn't play ME2 on a 360 (awesome game btw), so stop whining and generalizing the PS3 crowd as the ones who are bitter.... Seriously 8800 GT card can play all those games with better resolution so why the hell should I buy a 360 lol?

So when Ubisoft come out and say "Conviction EXCLUSIVELY for 360/PC", I guess they dont know what they are talking about, right ? All the devs are wrong. The truth is on N4G right.

Every dev that makes a game for 360/PC says "exclusively for 360 and PC".

By the way why when yo talk about the "console wars" why doesnt anybody ever mention the PC ?

Why is it that its ALWAYS about 360 and PC ? Simply because the PC isnt competing with consoles. I'm not even sure you can call it a console. The Iphone plays games but it sure isnt a console.

A 360/PC game, on consoles is exclusive to the 360.Period.

And like I said, I know its not the fact thats a PC/360 game. Its the fact that PS3 loyalist out there simply cant stand the fact that there's fun outside of the PS3.

@darkeyes: yeah I know I know, you all got incredible PC rigs. Yet buy all your multiplats on the PS3.

@below: Thats what I'm saying. The devs who actually make the game dont have a clue what they are saying or doing. I mean they are only the ones who are making the game. Only N4G members know the truth. /sarcasm

And that's exactly why meaningless marketing terms are nonsense.

We never had "exclusive games" on multiple platforms before this gen, so why now?

Oh, that's right. Marketing "exclusively on 360 and PC" makes no sense.

Uh oh, the people who love to claim multiplats as exclusives won't like this news.

But that doesn't change the fact that you still have to either buy a PC with Vista/XP/7 or a X360 to play them.

What's your point sack_boi?

When they talk about these being exclusive they are saying "console exclusive" meaning not on the PS3. You can play these on a PC but it does in fact require Windows and you all bought Windows.

Since i don't need a 360 to play these games their not exclusives & that the point...

My Mid-High Laptop can handle these games easily.

Edit:

*Sigh* at disagrees, butt-hurt much?

Once again for those confused on what an exclusive is read this. It's a little dated but you get the idea.

http://n4g.com/up/16238/Blo...

Sackboi and Jason 360. Are you implying that MS is still getting a cut of games like SC conviction that are released on windows? As in they get a share in the PC profits?

Also what about someone who plays games on their Sony Viao... It's a (Insert word here) point...

Edit: seems that 360 fans want things that PS3 fans can't have is why they always say something is exclusive when it's really just console exclusive. I have a high end gaming rig. Add me on steam if you want proof. Same name as on here just like PSN. I buy many games on PC because it's A. Cheaper B. Better quality and C. I upgraded my PC with the money I got for selling my 360 so I might as well use it for "360 console exclusives" right?

Edit: Cold my link goes over the definition of "Exclusive" and one of those covers your statement above. Please enjoy.

"Windows and you all bought Windows. "

i didn't... get it for free cus of my university.

but regardless, the majority of ppl own windows anyway cus thats the most popular op system.

Who cares if you need windows to play it? Its not like MS gets money unless they publish it.

It's simple. Who cares about exclusives? The fanboys (whose consoles only play "AAA exclusives"). So to those fanboys I'm saying "you still have to buy a PC or a X360 to play these game".

When did you ever hear a developer use the term "console exclusive"? Also, Windows is not the only operating system capable of running these games.

Exclusive means ONLY, i dont need an article 2 tell me that, guess sum people need remindin

Although I have a 360, I realize I don't need it to play a lot of the so-called "360 exclusives".

All I would need is a slightly updated video card on my PC...well, and a desire to game on PC (which I've never had).

Just face it, if you don't need to have an xbox360 to play an "exclusive" game then you really can't call it "exclusive" to teh 360 now can you?

you sound very bitter.

You are the only one looking at this through a Console War point of view. Cause each of those games listed are on multiple platforms...and that is just the truth.

That this article will get deleted by some 360 fanboy who'll report it just like one article some time in November last year where he talked about MS loyalty's (WINDOWS game logo), 360/PC games are not 360 exclusives. 360 guys are delusional (like we don't know) and..... Well, i don't remember. Do you guys still remember that article?

If it is on both the 360/PC, the exclusivity of the game still stands, a Microsoft based platform is required in order to play it. Therefore, Microsoft is still getting your cash, be it from buying an Xbox 360, a copy of Vista/7 or when you buy the laptop with either Vista/7 installed.

When it comes to games as such as The Agency, being on the PC too, Microsoft still ends up indirectly earning your money again.

You thought it would have sunk into you by now...

I got Windows 7 free with my laptop are they still getting my money Xeoset?

This is so sad.

It comes down to this, you can either say they are Console exclusives or Multi-platform...none are TRUE exclusives.

@Xeoset

If my pc is a sony pc or have sony hardware in it at all does that now make it so Sony inderectly profited from my purchase since i am using it too game. Just for the hell of it too i guess i should tell you just about every new PC you buy comes with windows for free.

Some of those games aren't confirmed for 2010.

Flipmode, they are getting money from Windows 7 being on your laptop.

oh look theres a shiny round-a-bout. lets play on that and go round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round.

me i'd rather not, I would rather enjoy all the great games coming out, and there are many, console exclusive, platform exclusive and multi-platform.

When developers say that game A is exclusively for 360/PC it means that you can buy it for both platforms wich makes game A MULTIplatform. "Console exclusive" or not, at the end of the day game A will always be MULTIplatform, even though some silly fanboys will try to deny it because apparently it makes them sleep better at night.

@Flipmode
Are you serious? You do realise that the OS' price is included in the amount you paid for your laptop/PC right?

Microsoft gets paid each time a laptop/PC (with Windows equiped obviously) is sold in the market.

it looks like everyone forgot about this
http://www.n4g.com/xbox360/...
so its basically confirmed as a timed exclusive

The Agency and DC Universe
yes those are multiplats but sony ownes both so no chance in hell to come out to the 360

Final Fantasy XIV
a multiplat that may end up on the 360

Mass Effect
already a multiplat
may end up on the PS3

get over it fanboys

"Who cares if you need windows to play it? Its not like MS gets money unless they publish it. "

You're right, but they got you to buy a PC with Windows in it. Which is like selling twenty copies of Halo. And guess what, then you start using Facebook, Twitter, MSN... you might even purchase Office, a microsft mouse/ keyboard....

So all you haters saying "I don't need a X360 to play this...", well Microsoft doesn't care, they'll still get your money one way or the other.

So just enjoy your games and STHU.

"You're right, but they got you to buy a PC with Windows in it. Which is like selling twenty copies of Halo."

How? Does MS get the money from HP or Dell for their Hardware? What about Sony Viaos? a 2000$ laptop and a windows basic copy worth 50$ wholesale.... So thats maybe 800$ profit to sony and 40$ to MS for a PC to play all the "360 console exclusives" without ever having to give MS another dime.... Sounds good to me. if 40$ in profit is all I ever give MS so I can play all their "Console exclusives" I am happy.

"And guess what, then you start using Facebook, Twitter, MSN... you might even purchase Office, a microsft mouse/ keyboard...."

Or maybe not a MS mouse or keyboard considering there re much better mouses out there for gaming like logitechs or something else...

"So all you hates saying "I don't need a X360 to play this...", well Microsoft doesn't care, they'll still get your money one way or the other."

No they don't. Or a fraction of what they would had a supported the 360 further then I did and been nickle and dimed to death...

"So just enjoy your games and STHU."

Will do =D

A lot of 360 fans seem to be avoiding the "What if I buy a Sony PC that comes with basic windows" argument... Who are you supporting then? And who are you supporting more? I'll be the first to admit I had mine built with my roommate. Wasn't hard and works great but for those that can't build their own where is their allegiance then eh?

@ Below. I didn't. That was my point. I didn't build a "Sony PC" but others can't build their own so if they buy a sony PC who are they supporting?.. Maybe I was confusing in my writing. Sorry... I'm sure you could use plenty of sony parts though. i.e. Monitor, speakers or otherwise to make your set sony centric if you wanted...

Ho do you build a Sony PC? 0_o

EDIT :
What's the point? A rational human being would take that $2000 and build the best PC that amount can afford, be it Intel, AMD or whatever.

Jinxstar every time a person buys a PC packaged with Windows the total cost of the PC includes the cost of Windows. Why do you think they bundle so much software in the deals? If you were to buy just a PC with no software the price of the PC is much cheaper. It doesn't matter if you buy Windows separate or in a deal somebody is paying MS for the operating system. You can buy a Sony VAIO, Toshiba, or a Dell hardware but the OS is Windows and you paid for it. It's just like the 360, third party hardware running on a MS operating system. PC is third party hardware running on a MS operating system. FACT is you are going to buy a MS product if you want to play these games. That's how MS benefits from PC gaming.

I know some of you will say you will just pirate Windows.

So you'd rather spend $2000 on a laptop than buy a X360? That's true dedication, fight the good fight console-warrior. \0/

1. List Multiplats
2. List exclusives
3. ????
4. Profit!

"So when Ubisoft come out and say "Conviction EXCLUSIVELY for 360/PC", I guess they dont know what they are talking about, right ? All the devs are wrong. The truth is on N4G right."

Sorry but that is all marketing talk and nothing more, When MS pays to have something you know they will make you sure you know about it and rub it in to PS3 only owners face as much as possible.

Back to the whole PC/360 exclusivity thing, the argument is not if x and y PS3 fanboy owns a capable gaming PC or not. Its just a fact that you do not need to own a 360 to play SCC. If i turned around and proclaimed SCC as a PC exclusive im sure plenty of 360 owners would have something to say about that.

EDIT: You guys above who are using the "hurr hurr well you have to use windows" line are really reaching beyond desperation.

Sure MS own windows but then again windows is not part of MS gaming division, believe it or not, most PC users are not gamers and buy windows for many other reasons and the way you make it sound as if you buy windows to play a 360 exclusive sounds so stupid, your acting as if we have a PC running with no OS and then suddenly decide to buy windows in order to play SCC.

Lets go by your logic then and say everytime you buy an album from an artist owned by sony music or see a movie by sony pictures...you are therefore directly funding uncharted 3. see how stupid that sounds.Very very sad

Jason 360.

Let me break it down a little bit.

"Jinxstar every time a person buys a PC packaged with Windows the total cost of the PC includes the cost of Windows."

Yes and Dell/ HP/ Sony or whoever buy it all wholesale or they have a "deal" with MS and get it all discounted and shipped all inclusive. MS isn't making a killing off this like they do from people who buy "Windows 7 home premium" at best buy. It's like papa johns only buys chickens from one person so they have a deal and get it discounted and such... So I was being generous when I said "MS makes 40$ off every version sold" when someone buys from a place like dell... If thats all MS ever makes from it then so be it.

"Why do you think they package so much software in the deals? If you were to buy just a PC with no software the price of the PC is much cheaper."

Not really. If you built it yourself it would be cheaper and windows would be pricey(I got my copy from a friends company who have a deal to put windows on all their computers. So I really didn't pay a dime) but where they get you a lot of the time is 24 hour customer support. 2 year warranties and all that extra tacked on stuff.

"It doesn't matter if you buy Windows separate or in a deal somebody is paying MS for the operating system."

Yeah at wholesale discount prices.

"You can buy a Sony VAIO, Toshiba, or a Dell hardware but the OS is Windows and you paid for it."

Yes

"It's just like the 360"

Not at all like the 360 in anyway

"third party hardware running on a MS operating system."

This is basically the opposite of the scenario above. MS buys from a company wholesale and puts their Os on another companies hardware and sells it for inflated prices to make a profit. Thats why they push so hard for games like Alan wake to be 360 exclusive. Then they chrage for live. Expensive hard drives (Which probably cost them 3$ a piece wholesale) Controller battery packs, WiFi(Once again probably 3$ a piece to make parts and labor) so yeah...

"PC is third party hardware running on a MS operating system."

Ok.

"FACT is you are going to buy a MS product if you want to play these games. That's how MS benefits from PC gaming."

I didn't buy any. Linux can run a lot of windows based games and MS's profit gain from Windows vs 360 as far as gaming goes is so insignificant it's not even worth mentioning... If they charge dell 40$ a OS per PC (Probably acurate) and they charge 90$ for a wifi adapter , 50$ a year for live and 100$ for a hrd drive on top of their whole sale console where do you think they are making their money. Especially considering that most PC owners don't even play games. At least games beyond that of Facebook Farmville and bejewelled.

"I know some of you will say you will just pirate Windows. "

Some will. I don't care personally.

Really though. I'm not supporting MS as a games company though as it is. Most PC owners aren't... That is the main point. and if I were to buy a viao and MS were to make 40$ off of that and Sony made 800$ off that in profit... Who am I supporting more?

@liela

The options are far more expansive though. Laptops are portable and do a great deal more then a console. Much more multipurpose. So for a gamer on the go that needs a lot more then just a dedicated gaming rig... yeah... Most def worth it imo... Especially if they like the best versions of games from a graphics stand point PC is the way to go.

Especially because that piece of hardware would come standard with many things like WiFi and a good size hard drive...

@ below... This will not end. My point is getting missed by minor discrepancies. People are missing the point entirely and I'm done. You guys want to nit pick every little thing because you don't want to see whats plain as day right in front of you thats fine. Nit pick away and sleep better tonight. I'm out.

Christ, how can people not see this?

Sony does not get £800 for each Vaio sold. Sony pays ATi/Nvidia/Intel/etc for the components, builds the model in their own factories, puts their name on it and then sells it off to other distribution companies. From there, PC World and co. bump the prices up massively.

Sony don't see that much when it comes to the PC/Laptop market because it is neither pure profit nor a big seller. After the exploding battery incidents, masses of DRM distribution and such it's a wonder if anyone buys their computer components.

On the other hand, MSFT sell Windows packages to distributers at a lower cost, who then present it as a free incentive to buy the laptop/PC. Not only that, but MSFT offer the chance for Mac/Linux users to dual boot Windows on their systems, which requires them to buy it at full price in order to play all Games for Windows games.

There's a reason why MSFT boss the software realm and have made all manufacturers, bar Apple, dependent upon them.

There is a world, that is not called Xbox 360.

Stop with this ridiculous fanboyism, you call people fanboys and say, just play your Playstation and stop flaming games for the 360.
But you are not better, you are the perfect example of the word 'contradiction'.

Touch your own nose before trying to finger in some others, you are a sad excuse for a person.
Calling people names, tell them to mind their own buisness, but not even think about, that your ignorance is what people makes do otherwise.

"the constant OBSESSION PS3 gamers have with PC/360 games"
The only thing more pathetic is your obsession with "PSTREE FANBOIS!!"
Clearly, you can't enter an article without crying over PSTREE FANBOIS or talking in the terms of the console warz. Grow up already.
BTW, you can't call unreleased games "AAA", fanboy.

Good article.

I don't see PS3 fans putting The Agency and DC Universe online on their lists. Unlike 360 fans who CONSTANTLY place ME2 and SCC on their exclusives list.

Why some guys here are acting like you buy windows only to play games?

Finally, for all of you jumping on Cold 2000, if you weren't so ignorant he wouldn't have to put in his point of view. You replying calling him the fanboy is just meta-hypocrisy; look at what YOU start and then see why he calls you all out.

Fcuk, no wonder everybody hates the PS3 camp: "Lulz, MSFT!!1!" -> "U S4Y WHA BOUT SONY?!!1, FCKING FANBOY!!!". Tit-for-tat.

EDIT: @raztad.

You would need Windows in order to play these games. Obviously not the only function of the operating systems, but this is a gaming site discussing games. When I say discussing, I mean 8itching.

EDIT2: Aw God, Saaking made it. See you later logic.

Actually, this was written from a PC gamer's point of view. If you notice, FFXIV, DC Universe Online and The Agency are games that people keep claiming as being exclusive to the PS3, just like SC:C and ME2.

This is 100% about the continued disregard towards PC gamers when companies begin focusing on console sales.

Personally, I own all but the Wii, so it's unlikely that I'll ever miss out on a game, but I do hate the focus taken away from PC games, even going so far as to have timed delays to milk the console sales or using some of the worst thought of DRM alongside a timed delay.

What I find hilarious is that someone can claim this is a PS3 fluff article complaining about the quality games the 360 has when 3 of the 5 games listed are PC & PS3 only.

@Leila

Wait what? You realize that a 2000 dollar laptop can do a lot more than just play games right? IF i were to buy a 2000 dollar laptop, I would probably be using it for the next 10 years or so.

edit:

@Van-essa

I'm not missing the point at all. If we were only talking about games, then yeah I would probably get a 360, but hell, laptops can do 1000X more than any console could, so yes, I agree with him, I would also get a laptop.

You're missing the point. Those games listed aren't X360 exclusives since you can play them on another platform, we all agree on that. But if you were to only own a PS3 and you wanted to play those games, what would you do?
Jinx for instance, from what I read, would rather buy a $2000 Sony PC than a X360 to play those games.

EDIT: at least tell me what you disagree about lol

couldn't the same argument be said that since Sony helped create the DVD and gets a % of each sale, that ANY 360 game or Windows DVD game is "supporting" Sony?

@Jinxstar, -Why so worried over how many nickels microsoft gets? Is it more important to you to not support micro at all or are just trying to say anything to downplay micro's dual strategy of 360/PC gaming?:

"MS isn't making a killing off this like they do from people who buy "Windows 7 home premium" at best buy."

-Then you go on to only further show that your motivation really doesn't have much to do with being a real PC game fan and everything to do with your hatred for 360:

"No they don't. Or a fraction of what they would had a supported the 360 further then I did and been nickle and dimed to death..."

-lol So what? That's bias talking right there, every company "tries" to nickle and dime the consumer...SMART consumers only buy what they want/value= don't feel nickel and dimed. So basicly what you're saying is you're choosing the lesser of 2 evils(supporting micro through pc windows OS sales or through 360 sales, lol and people wonder why micro's pockets are so deep, even those who hate them support them)....Congratulations Sir and micro STILL thanks you for your support either way. lol, THATS THE WHOLE POINT YOU HAVE TO SUPPORT MICRO IF YOU WANT THESE PC/360 GAMES BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE OFFERS A REASONABLE ALTERNATIVE.....buying a Windows PC whether intentional or not supports Microsofts Windows Gaming platform, thus further cementing their stranglehold on the PC OS gaming industry. Which is exactly WHY micro has a dual strategy in the first place, sure buying a 360 which in theory would lead to you perhaps buying more software(games) would lead to MORE money in the future but no matter how you look at it buying Windows PC's is still putting cash in Microsofts pockets too, if sony had an established competing OS in the PC market you bet your ass they would be releasing games on both ps3 and vaio's, along with whatever pc manufacturer's they could partner with. It's like saying AT&T don't make money unless you use their service with an iPhone, lmfao, no they just make more usually off iPhone customers because the plans/packages usually cost much more upfront for an iPhone than the budget model phones, either way if you use AT&T service, just like if you buy a PC with Windows OS, microsoft gets paid, what's even better in microsoft's case is they still make a nice profit whether you ever buy a Windows game or not. Its unfortunate that microsoft enjoys such dominance in the PC OS market, if there were other legitimate alternatives offered by companies like say sony then you could honestly say "I'm going to get this on PC, because I don't want to support microsoft." For now you're just picking your poison when you play Windows games. It may be a bitter pill for you to swallow but its the truth, wash it down with a shot of "nobody cares just play the damm game" and you'll forget all about micro's cut. lmfao

JOY

I'm a PC gamer and I do get a little pissed when a game on the PC is released for one console and that console manufacture says it's an exclusive. I get mad because that is not the definition of exclusive. I can careless about the console war because the games I play CAN'T be done on a console.

I'm old school and a exclusive means only playable on one system. If two systems can play it then it's a multiplat period. To be honest as a Pc gamer I steer away from multiplats because they for the most part don't take advantage of a systems unique features. I don't buy games because a TV commercial says it's the hot item right now I buy games that take advantage of the special hardware inside my rig and offer a quality experience.

ME2 SC:c AGENCy FFXIV are good games but where compromised and gimped in production because the developers were thinking about two systems instead of one. So I wont be playing neither one of theses titles because they offer me the PC gamer nothing new or special for my PC.
Now Battlefield Bad Company 2 is an exception. It was made separate from the console version from the start. Dice did things to take advantage of the PC hardware and what PC gamers like hence the fact that the PC version will have more players on a map than the console version and other features as well.

IMO if a system doesn't have a healthy steady release of SYSTEM only exclusives then what is the purpose of the hardware when you can play the game on any system. I mean Sony and Microsoft at times seem to have wasted millions of dollars on hardware because most games are multiplats. Sony has of late made some KILLLER exclusives but Microsoft has no clue and it just basically taking games that were headed to the PC (ALAN Wake) or multiplat (SC:C) and wasting money paying the developer for a timed exclusive instead of just making a game studio and cranking out real exclusives for the 360 like Sony has done for the PS3.

Oh well this is why I game on the PC because anybody can make games for it without all the politics. Loose one developer and 5 more rise up to take that developers place.

Bottom line: SYSTEM Exclusives are the best games and the reason you bought your system.

He said that Splinter Cell is not confirmed on the PS3 and 4 people disagreed???? People now diagree with facts??? Its possible its coming to Ps3 but not confirmed... damn fanboys are NUTS!!