considering the nonsense that was published yesterday on IGN any reviews/comments/editorials/po dcasts/interviews I see coming from them might as well be from oxmonline.com

sounds like you're looking for some kind of approval/validation #1 and a handful of MS fans here to agree with you. Should've kept that old dorky looking Bill Gates avatar you had for years instead of posting with a new one, trying to sound "cool". It never goes away.

Deal with it boy.

I love when people actually let the person know they reported them, It's like a cry for attention.

I don't understand. PS3 fanboys consistently say things like:

1."God of War 3 is better than Bayonetta" without even having played God of War 3 yet.

2."GT5 beats Forza 3" without even having played GT5 yet.

3. "Killzone 2 destroys Halo 3" when both are different types of FPSs(Realistic/Futeristic) that are BEYOND COMPARISON.

Whats the difference between that and what Greg Miller said yesterday? I'd like a logical answer instead of mindless disagrees please. Try to act like human beings for once.

@Disagrees- This is the reason why I think N4G should require a LOGICAL rebuttle to go with every disagree. 10 disagrees and not ONE person has answered my question yet. By not responding ur only proving me right...you know it, I know it, everyone here knows it, and the mods know it. Thank you.

Was it more or did they diss the game more than praise it?
imo deserves 9.2

"I love when people actually let the person know they reported them, It's like a cry for attention. "

I love it when people like you have nothing constructive or meaningful to say, its like you cry for attention.

OT: I wont watch the video, I've lost all respect for IGN because of their recent "articles", *cough*flaimbait*cough*

All i saw was some washed up losers trying to justify their full of s**t articles that were published a few days back.

That Being Said Mass Effect 2 is a great game (9.2/10)nothing more, nothing less than that.

deadreckoning666

so true. We can only say PS3 games > Other games but not the Opposite

n.1 law on N4G.

I guess Aquanox is a fanboy aswell because he agrees with IGN.

lames

Gotta say I'm loving playing ME2 on my PC. I also loved playing and completeing UC2. They are 2 great games. What's all the fighting about? Who really cares what Greg Miller thinks.

Loading times seem to be much quicker on PC.
Also, I noticed the scanning footage in the vid was really slow. If that's the scanning on 360 it really is slow. It's much faster on PC which is why it wasn't a problem for me.

Not too keen on these guys. They don't seem to give proper level headed opinions for people who should be professional. Maybe that's just me expecting too much.

@1.6

I've never said any of those things, but I can answer your question about how it's different for Greg Miller. He's being paid by a website that definitely does not want to be known as biased. Professional attitude is something that has become very rare, and something that used to be quite strong with IGN.

You are asking why it's different for some random ps3 fanboys to claim a certain game is better, and say it as if it is fact. First off, their opinion isn't important and won't be read by 500k+ people, and second, they aren't getting paid to do a job. Greg spit in the face of everyone that believes UC2 is a better game, in their opinion. Unless he is purposefully trying to alienate readers, he should be held accountable and reprimanded for blatantly trying to start a "flame-war" with immature comments. That's what it all boils down to: Immaturity. The ps3 fanboys are immature for crying about the .1 difference in scores, but Greg does the same thing, yet he is doing it as his job, so his level of immaturity is greater.

Also, the quotes and comparisons you give, while I don't like that people say them as fact either (either way, 360 or ps3 being better), are at least comparing games that are relatively similar. UC2 and ME2 only share ONE thing, and that's TPS combat, and even that doesn't feel anywhere close to the same. The games should not have been compared.

If Greg, or IGN, didn't like people whining about the .1 difference in scores, they should have had the professional attitude to ignore them, because most of those comments, let's be realistic, are made by children between the ages of 13-19, with more overreacting hormones than sense. Even in his article, he said the staff had a good laugh reading the comments from both sides; ps3 fanboys crying about bias and bs, and 360 fanboys claiming ME2 invalidates UC2. They should have left it there. That's where the controversy lies: learn to accept criticism if you want to be a journalist/writer.

I dont care if ME2 is better than U2 or not... Well I do care, because it means it is an AWESOME GAME because U2 is an AWESOME game, and I need to play it, but the problem with IGN article is the use of cheap flamebait tactics to attract attention.

They're better off without you anyway.

Also we're shocked cause we've never heard that before.

Do you really think they care, they're probably laughing as they count the hits, from the same fanboys who said that a few weeks ago, all while planning 1 or 2 pro-sony articles next week and you along with the rest of the ps3 fanbase who read gave them hits today will be right back giving hits tommorrow. Yeah, yeah, go ahead say I'm wrong, just like I'm wrong for saying all the ps3 extremists dont buy 360/PC games on PC like they say the do. lmfao so transparent, I love n4g.

JOY

@deadreckoning:

What you think PS3 fanboys say or think is pretty skewed. So a few random fanboys spew things and suddenly that's how they all think?

Not to mention, a journalist should really not be saying things similar to what "fanboys" say. Journalists should be far more non-biased. You really shouldn't believe that its okay for a journalist to act like a fanboy. The people that read these articles come from different opinions, and that should be considered when writing an article if you want to be taken seriously.

Mass Effect 2 deserves all the praise it's getting & THAT has nothing to do with UC2 or the PS3.

WELL DONE BIOWARE !!!

@1.17

"Mass Effect 2 deserves all the praise it's getting & THAT has nothing to do with UC2 or the PS3.

WELL DONE BIOWARE !!!"

I can agree with that, and anyone that's sensible to the situation would just leave it at that. The problem is, IGN didn't leave it at that.

"ME2 is a great game."

"UC2 is a great game."

Those are two separate quotes (made up), and other than a "favorite games" list, there is no reason to connect the two quotes in the same discussion (other than this one, I guess =P ), unless trying to start something silly, or join in on it.

@1.8- I'm not sure you read your own comment lol, you have 17 comments total and 2 of them have been deleted by mods but I'm sure those were constructive and meaningful right?

They are both games so they are comparable. If it is a movie to a game, I can understand but you can compare a videogame to a videogame validly anytime. Whether it's Halo 3 to Killzone 2 or White Knight to Infamous, you can compare them.

IGN has decided that they prefer Mass Effect 2 over Uncharted 2; why care? They're both obviously fantastic games. It's also obvious each does something better than the other. Trying to call two games of this caliber better than the other boils down to personal preference.

So let me see if I understand.

The moment IGN gave MGS4 a 10 and Uncharted 2 a 9.6 they became Gods, everyone here was only anticipating their reviews and so on... until, 2010 came, with non triple A games that received low scores and now they can go to hell.

But hey, we always have Gamespot which was pretty though on PS3 at first (according to the boys here) but now is in the hunt of PS3 fanboys and guess what. Now they're the ones to be believed.

Come on guys, the games are just NOT good enough and ME2 does deserve a higher score than WKS, HR and MAG.

You guys need to deal with the fact that being a PS3 exclusive doesn't mean you need to bend the rules to pretend it's a Triple A. It's the other way around actually.

that you x360 fans are supporting IGN's fanboy and unprofessional attitude. If it was the other way around i will still call them out. Even though i don't always agree with their scores i have always respected them because they use to be professional. Now they have gone to the dogs. Even if they give GOW3 a 10 i will not trust them because of what they have become.

ME2 is easily one of the best SP games I have ever played. Uncharted 2 was great but I liked it for its multiplayer more so than the SP. Mass effect has no multiplayer at all.

U2 SP is great but I found it a little corny story wise. Most of the time you fight the same enemies and the game is EXACTLY the same each time you play it(even though its great). But I think taht it makes it much more accessible then ME2.

ME2 can be so different every time you play it and even you smallest decisions have an effect. There is no other game that makes you care as much about even the smallest decisions. Considering that decisions carry over from ME1 to 2 to 3 you really have a unique experience. This is something taht no game really has and I can see any implementing nearly as good any time soon.

U2 is not hugely original but it combines a 3rd person shooter with adventure/climbing and DOES IT GREAT(3rdPS and platforming). It combines a great SP with great multiplayer(I played alot today).

ME2 has no multiplayer but The way that they involve the players and hold them accountable for their actions in the SP is something that I dont think has ever been do so well. It has an amazing amount of replay value and the time and imagination that has gone into this trilogy is insane. I may even play ME1 again as I lost my old save and I dont like the default consequences taht bioware chose for the beginning of ME2. ME2 has proven to me that VIDEOGAMES HAVE MORE POTENTIAL THAN ANY OTHER MEDIA IN REGARDS TO EVOKING EMPATHY/EMOTIONS AND GETTING THE USER INVOLVED IN THE STORY.

You dont just control the person named shepard you controll WHAT TYPE OF PERSON HE IS.

Both are VERY different games and ARE THE BEST OF THE BEST. If you really have the choice Id tell you to GET BOTH.

EDIT-- in regards to the review who gave it a 7.5 and said it had "annoying decisions" and "lack of Drive." Well I liked choosing what happens for once instead of watching. ALSO, I HAVE NEVER WANTED TO KILL ANY ENEMIES IN ANY GAME AS MUCH AS I WANTED TO KILL THE COLLECTORS IN ME2. That mission me and Shepard went crazy on them and did what we needed to do for humanity and ourselves. We dont obey anyone and we dont have to follow any orders.

I agree with you there is nothing different, but that's the problem. When respected publications like IGN start spewing fanboy propaganda it turns into a whole new ball game. Ps3 fanboys feel betrayed right now, since ign shouldn't be getting involved and "siding" the 360 fanboys. It gives the 360 fanboys a chance to look rational by saying how they agree and ps3 fanboys are overreacting, but how do you think 360 fanboys would react if IGN made an article called "Infamous is much better than Halo 360 fanboys. Deal with it."

To be honest the piece didn't make any sense anyway because the whole thing centred on mass effect(an rpg) making you feel more like you play the role of the character than uncharted 2, which is why it sounded fanboyish.

Note to PS3 Fanboys that have overrun this site:

You didn't lose respect for IGN because of a "flamebait" article.
You "lost respect" because they refused to stroke your PS3 ego and the perpetuate the myth that the PS3 blows the 360 out of the water. It is as simple as that. You are children, and can't handle anything that doesn't agree with your limited viewpoint.

How many of you screaming and bleating have played both games? How many? Almost none. And of those who did. Who thinks ME2 is better? Who thinks UC2 is better? This is an opinion people. Opinions can be different. The article that has everyone's panties in a wad was a response to comments from fanboys. Fanboys like those that infest and ruin this site's comments sections. It was not flamebait so much as just a "STFU fanboys, and deal with the fact that a 360 game can outclass a PS3 game." Deal with it. Play your PS3 and enjoy it. But don't pretend you are not a fanboy.

Edit: But why do I even try? Arguing with those with blind devotion to a cause and a lack of logic or critical thinking is pointless and really causes my to question me own sanity.

You think fanboy comments are terrible unless IGN makes one? Yes fanboys are bad and you should dislike fanboyism from any source, including IGN. The article should have said "Why I believe Mass Effect 2 is better than Uncharted 2". No one would have had a problem with it. It's his opinion. I didn't care for how he basically thought it was better because it was an rpg btw, but I wouldn't have minded if he hadn't been fanboyish about it. Pick your battles more carefully, this was entirely IGN's fault.

I fully agree with the IGN crew. Mass Effect 2 is one of the best games of all time. The gameplay, story, characters, and graphics are all top notch. It is one of those rare gems that only come around once in a while, and I wonder how Bioware will be able to top it with Mass Effect 3.

"Even if they give GOW3 a 10 i will not trust them because of what they have become"

LOL Without playing the game you already know it's a 10? Ok

EDIT :
Sorry, my bad, it's a PS3 exclusive, what was I thinking? They should all score 10/10.
I think Sony should be the only one reviewing their exclusives from now on

to play Mass Effect 2, I think it's going to be stellar.

On that note, I don't care to get involved in which is superior since it's an opinion issue and I haven't played both yet, but I get really confused when people like Aqua claim "at this point the boys said this, now it's this? lol"...I have no clue what people mean when they say things like that. I don't recall anything of the sorts on this site. I think the issue with it is that people like him see one fanboy say something, then another say another thing, and he thinks "fanboys" as a whole are contradicting themselves, completely neglecting the fact that separate people said separate comments. People like that have issues with scope and there's something lacking in their memory or perception of what they read...screws are loose.

Look dude, I have no clue what you're talking about but I'm guessing you're lumping in a collective "boys" as some conglomerate of common thought here. There are a few fanboys here I've seen from both sides that have similar stances, but there are PLENTY of "gamers" (you should try it, it's more fun) that are disqualified from your comments. Therefore, your issue is with maybe 5% of the populace here when you think you're calling out millions of people. You're on a lost cause in this witch hunt of yours, or whatever you're doing.

Edit: also at DeadReckoning...We're waiting on your admission of guilt regarding your farce, you know, the way you hate on PS3 (don't tell me the fanboys, you hate on the console, we've all seen it, don't make me pull out quotes of yours again to which you don't respond anyways)...and ALWAYS show total affection for 360, but then state "but I'm a PS3 only owner"...BS we've called you out numerous times and get no response. You're either the dumbest consumer ever (you meant to buy a 360 and accidentally left with a PS3 and are too dumb to return or sell it?) or you're just a lying weasel who won't fess up to a scam. What is it, friend?

If these two games were even similar i would agree that this comparison makes sense. But they are not not even the same genre of game blow it out your a$$ and get a grip of the real world.

i'm off to compare which one I think is better curry or haircuts.

"The moment IGN gave MGS4 a 10 and Uncharted 2 a 9.6 they became Gods, everyone here was only anticipating their reviews and so on... until, 2010 came, with non triple A games that received low scores and now they can go to hell."

Very consistent with what happens on a daily bases. Don't forget some basement review site(never heard of) will give a PS3 game a 10 and they become gods as well. All the sudden they are more credible. You see, it all loops around again and again.

@1.20 "If it is a movie to a game, I can understand"

You mean like this article
http://www.n4g.com/ps3/News...

no reviewer has the right to praise one game at the expense of another.
Im sure even Naughty Dog went "wtf?" at seeing the comparison to ME2.

That act alone PROVES 1000% that Uncharted 2 left ALOT of butthurt fanboys in it's wake. Especially those at IGN.

IGN Editors =/= everyone

quite the opposite...

If scores really makes a game better, then MGS4 kicks all the 360 exclusive's ass!(it got a 10)

**"I love when people actually let the person know they reported them, It's like a cry for attention. "

I love it when people like you have nothing constructive or meaningful to say, its like you cry for attention.**

Lol.

You just did that same thing. Hell I just did it to you. lol.

It seems that 99% of the people on this site only have opinions on other peoples opinions and none of their own.

And you can also be sure tht 80% of people commenting on a game have never played it.

I completed it yesterday, and Mass Effect 2 deserves a 9.6, no question. But there is no reason to say that Uncharted 2 or other games are not worthy of their great scores too.

4 disagrees and not a single iota of rebuttal, logic or sensible discussion on ANYthing I said...Wow, this just gets better. I took some time off from here, now I remember why.

I'm starting to think I'll take the friends I've made here, keep in touch with them, and leave this site to the vultures, there is no longer any source of news or civil and mature discussion. It's bubble-popping gangwars about consoles and d(ck measuring, and that conspiracy that had me lose bubbles a few weeks ago is just the icing on the cake for my argument right now (you few know who you are, you never replied because you know I'm right, I guess)...

Uncharted 2 is the best GAME ever!!!!!!!
There fixed!!
Just beat mass effect 2 yesturday, gonna play it again some of my crew died! :(

i replayed 1 part cause space milf died that was not cool so jacob had to die we will miss ya buddy.

You guys are all wrong!

Vampire Rain

Greatest game in gaming history...

EDIT: Oh ET! Now I have to revise my list! ET now that's a game! They need to re-release it in an HD remake! ;)

wrong ET the video game was so good it destroyed the industry nothing will ever beat its epicness.

Vampire Rain LOL that was a horrible game

Next month ME2 ps3.
I wonder why they don't call TPS.

@Myze- Ur right, he is stating opinion as fact. I still appreciate that he actually fought back at the fanboys though. IGNs probably laughing at how many comments this is getting right now.

"Why do they have to justify two scores of two different games just because fanboys argued it out In there comment section."

Because they CAN, because their HUMAN, and because it gives them HITS. Direct your hate to the fanboys who do this EVERYDAY on N4G as opposed to Greg Miller's seldom outbursts.

There are great games that are not on the system you own! I don't own a Wii but that doesn't mean I don't wish I could play Mario Galaxy, New Mario Wii, etc. etc. But I can play both the games relevant to this discussion and I will. Oh it is great not to be a fanboy.