Your being cynical, your first of all assuming that the game will be worse than l4d, second, your assuming the game is the same as l4d, and third, your assuming they suck as a dev team.

"Your being cynical, your first of all assuming that the game will be worse than l4d, second, your assuming the game is the same as l4d"

I'm not comparing the 2 games in terms of quality, but if you only own a PC or 360 would you really pick The Grinder or Valve's L4D franchise? The only reason I was ever interested in the Grinder is because HVS was making a game from the ground up for the Wii, but now they will loose development time on the Wii version while working on the PC/PS360 versions which wont outclass L4D on their respective platforms, I will try it out on the PC though to see what they come up with before I even consider supporting them.

"your assuming they suck as a dev team."
Their not what you would call AAA developers, but they don't suck. Their taking what they do have and stretching it across 4 different platforms.

HVS been slipping from the list of developers I respect, they sold out their original idea of a fighter based in history to 'Tournament of Legends', and now they are abandoning the Wii owners who gave them their support for the Conduit.

"your assuming they suck as a dev team."

I don't think anyone is assuming anything about HVS, as they have a large number of published games that we can look to as a gauge of their worth as a dev team.

It just so happens that playing those games is like chewing tinfoil.

they are going to loose sales of Multiplat owners,
then they will say core games don't sell well on the wii
then i will ignore HVS.

thats what i predict anyway. I don't see myself getting it for the Wii if ist offered on the PC. Hell I don't even think I'll get it on the PC when L4D 1 & 2 are available.

but I don't know about them making those suggestions, but you're right, there really isn't any point in getting it for Wii if you have a gaming pc.

...relationship with Sega. Besides that, recently they contracted the engine that Ghostbusters used which would more than likely hinder their profability instead of using their own engine, but I don't think they would have done this without the backing of a publisher...

We'll have to wait and see, i will most likely get the wii version because the controls are awesome, but their tenative release date suggests that they might implement motion controls withe the other consoles.
Ill keep and open mind, cant wait.

Well put.

I bought TCon day one, so I want to support HVS, and they showed a lot of potential with that title. But they have yet to truly nail a game, and they're a small developer that has GOT to be stretching themselves VERY thin to make Grinder (and it looks like one game is already a casualty of this). Indy83 (a fellow HVS/TCon fan) over at IGN makes a good point:

"I know the quantum 3's assets can easily be transferred to the quantum 4 (their ps3/360 engine). But still, where did they get this money, when they couldnt even make the conduit without re-using the same 2 normal maps on every surface because they were so strapped on people?"

Where, indeed?

... I've noticed a tendency in your posts to condescend to people you disagree with.

After about 100 people saying the wii is for soccer moms and kids here I decided I'd have fun too.

There's a difference between us. I'm a d!ck here,\ in the wii section to people who come rag on it. Your recent posts in the wii section (which I remember from a couple days ago) are about how 2 games keep you from trading in the system, how nintendo abandoned you or something, and IIRC hoping wii games would fail.

I don't go in Halo threads and mock them though I have an xbox and hate the game. I don't go in UC2 threads and mock them though I have a ps3 and I hate UC2. I never talk about how most HD gamers I see at the store are nasal teenagers. I pick on people who come here and say really stupid crap that ruins the section.

But you know what I really hate? The fact that I could say something completely true and technical about a HD system *neutrally* and the specs involved and the problems programming for it or how they honestly compare to PCs and it's still considered a flame. Every time I tried this I had morons jump down my throat. I think I gave up the first week, I got a lot of bubbles explaining how a ray tracer worked once but that was platform neutral. What do you want me to do? Discuss with people who don't recognize proven facts about cpu speed or power or programming or sales numbers? This is more fun.

I'm actually nice to specific people I don't always agree with. But there's no reason to be helpful to most people who don't stay in the wii section. I understand that posting UC2 sucks in a ps3 thread is trolling and flamebait. If someone comes here and doesn't extend the same courtesy I'm going to enjoy myself as I write this paper.

Know what I don't argue about? Cars. I know nothing about cars. So I don't talk about it. Now if someone here wants to talk about programming or computers and says something that is completely wrong I should let the echo chamber devolve a little more?

So what happened here was about 3 months hearing that there are no good wii games from people who don't own wiis. This thread happens and a lot of people start saying the grinder is going to blow apart left 4 dead. Beyond the absurdity of comparing L4D to a High voltage title do you see why I'm a jerk in this thread? Can you imagine that perspective change? I get hammered saying there are good wii games for 3 months. This thread gave me an amazing setup to mock them. What did you expect?

The wii is for soccer moms and kiddies...

OH SNAP WII GAME COMING TO PS3

...Wii have a L4d type game, soooo, this is one of the few and rare times that I don't mind an exclusive becoming multiplat...

Edit: And let me add that, PS3 owners would do a great deal of justice for themselves by writing in to HV and suggest/demand mod support and even KB/M support. HV loves the gaming community as they have noted in the interview...

I would normally totaly agree with you right now, but i was chatting with one of the HVS employees, and apprently, each version of the game may contain exclusive system content. So who knows.

I think this is how studios work from what I learned talking to someone here...

You start with an iphone game. It pays for the dev kit and eating. If you make enough you get a DS dev kit too and that earns a little more money. You keep making smaller games till you get a wii dev kit.

You have that wii dev kit. It pays for itself and you keep making more games and paying the bills. One day you make a good wii title that's not great but also not dumbed down or gimped and get an ok chunk of cash. A big publisher signed with you for the game and now they're your friend.

You take that money and you buy a ps3 or xbox engine. Now you can take the big risks. They can destroy studios like factor 5 or the wipeout hd people with the dev costs but if you make a popular HD game you are RICH. Even if you just hype it right it can sell like crazy, but if you make an actually good game it everyone buys it. It's the ultimate gamble except bankruptcy negates your losses. You fail? Go back to the iphone dev kit and work your way back up - bankruptcy erases the loss.

You make a popular game? Now you are rich. You have won.

I'm getting an iphone dev kit =D

To be fair HVS didn't take this path. They did licensed games to wii to ps3/360. It's only marginally more shameful.

......WTF, are you a dev or something?
Anyway, I find it funny how us Wii owners "don't support third games", yet HD dev are going back to the iphone (or face bankruptcy) left and right.

The funny thing is I knew HVS would take this step. They (as indie devs) expected monster sales (they even went as far as expecting GotY status for The Conduit) from an extremely low budget game, perhaps they (much like sega) blame the Wii audience for their low budget game not breaking a million.

RE4 broke a million because it was NOT low budget. Anyone saying HVS's The Conduit was a big budget game, is only making excuses. 7_7

ha, no, I have a cs degree but I got carpal tunnel. I'm doing a memo now and my wrists hurt like hell =( I could work full time programming but I'd cripple myself quick. I'm on an ergonomic keyboard now and I have 5 pages of a memo left so wtf who cares?

I'm getting an iphone kit though. You can make iphone games on xcode then try them on jailbroken iphones/ipods. Then once you have the game finished you pay just a lil for the dev kit. I can't work programming 40+ hours a week but a little ipod/iphone game for my gf won't kill me.

If you have diabetes or any other medical problem that relates to carpal tunnel stay the he!1 away from programming.

the grinder was not designed for less powerful consoles the concept could be put on any system fool and its coming out 2011 so they have plenty of time to update the graphics and gameplay.

" the developers must be freeking desperate to make it multiplatorm"

so your saying that developers that make multiplatform games are desperate right?

-_-

This needed to be a wii exclusive. They sold out! [AGREE]

Unless it gets 9/10 or above across the board, i won't be buying.[Agree]

They can shove their grinder where the sun don't shine![Agree]

Its probably crap anyway.[looks awesome for a wii game quality would have to be upped ten fold for a open market multi plat]

It will absolutely suck on any platform other than wii.[Agree]
If we be honest, compared to the 'big' fps on the ps3 o 360, the Grinder will be totally underwhelming,[Agree]
because its designed for a console far less powerful [Disagreed]
um wtf no man lost some points here plenty of games ps3 and 360 people want from the wii badly. thats like saying sonic the hedgehog 2 sux on 360 because it was designed for a console less powerful. by your logic.
. Plus the controls will be superior on the wii.

Its a Wii game, the developers must be freeking desperate to make it multiplatorm,
maybe they are just being stupid. lol the wii is the onlyreason why hvs has a name today. maybe they got ahead of their selves only time and some reviews and hands on will tell

it simply won't compete or compare against most of the fps's on the HD consoles.[Agree]

Idiots

i'm sorry.. but that was funny. q:

And what "reaction" would this be? I basically said I knew they would take this step. So what "reaction" is there to be amused by?
Then again, you always use to reply to posts without really reading them. So I shouldn't act like this is something new for you. 7_7

Or maybe enhanced O.o well, what i find cool, is if the quantum 3 engine is able to push good look graphics on the HD consoles, and the best wii graphics around, then HVS truly has a million dollor engine. They should licence it, i would bet a lot of devs would use it.

My point is how much tribute they wanted to give towards the Wii.
Just sayin.

Its not like their still blowing off the wii audience. Ill probably get the PC version, maybe the wii too if its good enough. But i dont see why people are so upset about HVS, there still delivering more quality to the wii than any other 3rd party. and plus, they need money to survive. this should be looked at as a good thing.
Oh and btw, you people should all abandon square enix too based on your logic, because making FFXIII go mulit was such a crime >_>

Its release is in 2011, so there will be more work to it i guess.

And most likely the PS3 and 360 will get the PC port.

I'm not so sure. It could be a good sign that they're casting a wide net. Yes, the HD versions will cost them some more money, but if they're basically porting the Wii version to Quantum 4, it's not like they have to start from scratch for the new versions. Then they could sell 300,000 copies across each of the three platforms and get close to a million seller...

...if they're lucky. Because by the time they launch Grinder, they'll be competing with IW's next COD. And you don't compete with the big boys by releasing a game that turns you into a hybrid human/wall creature each time you play online.

The real bad sign is what this has meant for Gladiator A.D. Because that game no longer exists. What stands in its place is unrecognizable from the game they said they were releasing. As a Wii exclusive, that's what I'm ticked off by the most. Apparently they want Wii owners to help fund Grinder by having us buy a fighting game that is a HUGE downgrade from what they promised. And that ain't happening. Not from me.