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The Problem with Reviewing MAG

When it comes to game reviews, there's at least one rule that should always be followed. Get the review out as quickly as possible. The sooner you've got a review out, the more likely people will read it. That's just one of the fundamentals of game reviews.

MAG breaks the rules.

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ubiquitious5947d ago

The critics have spoken. MAG is a solid B game.

One of the worst first party games in SONY history.

Double075947d ago

Have you actually played it yourself?

ubiquitious5947d ago

Gamefly.

Did you even read the article?

rdgneoz35947d ago

Most of the critics speaking are ones that played either beta or a few hours of the retail version. There's a difference in gameplay when you level up and unlock new skills / weapons, and you're able to command a squad, platoon, or being commander of the whole army. Or playing as the 3 different factions (loving S.V.E.R). I've only seen a few smart writers actually stating how problematic it is to review what will take a while to fully experience.

raztad5947d ago (Edited 5947d ago )

@ubiquit

What "critics" are you talking about? please name them.

Obviously MAG breaks the rules. Game got no SP campaign and you CANT get the full experience playing just 2 o 3 hours. Most respectable magazines are properly trying the game before to come out with a final review.

After two days, some very positive reviews are starting to pop up and MAG community is "taking its rightful place in the universe".

@ubiquit bellow

In any case IGN UK is ONE site. At least wait for IGN US and AU before to talk about IGN as a whole. No to mention there is already others critics saying otherwise.

SoapShoes5947d ago

You're the only one whining and I'm sure you missed those recent reviews that were good. Are you seriously going to be putting the final judgment on a game with only a few reviews? Not to mention it is not even close to the worst Sony first party game ever. Fyi, Socom never lit up the review boards either. Socom was mostly rated in the 8s as well, but look how popular it was and how many people played it.

People now days are retarded. Now days a game isn't good unless it's above a 9. Heck now days even games have to get tons of 10s for it to be considered a good game. In today's environment people pass up good games just because it got an 8 when an 8 qualifies as a good game.

ubiquitious5947d ago

By "critics" I mean IGN.

Or are they just a bunch of xbots?

js7265947d ago (Edited 5947d ago )

Correction: IGN UK has reviewed the game at a 7.6, but IGN (IGN US) has not reviewed the game yet. They've simply posted a first impressions article that basically states they're playing around with it and will post a review sometime down the road.

pixelsword5947d ago (Edited 5947d ago )

Oh no; xbot fans NEVER troll PS3 articles.

:)

And how is A solid "b" bad?

I recall how when 360 games get solid "b's", then that's okay (like Blue Dragon).

*rolls eyes*

-Alpha5947d ago

what I find really hypocritical is the fact that nobody had problems with the first MAG reviews when it scored an A.

But once it got a 68 and then a couple 70s people started pulling the excuse that it was too early.

The excuse is legit, but it's hypocritical for people to bash only the reviewers who scored it low and claim they wanted hits. So did the ones that rated an 80.

NOBODY got a good grasp at MAG for better or worse.

Now that the game has more time to sit around the reviews here on out should be taken more seriously.

However, it should be noted that MAG isn't the only game where the MP is reviewed partially. MANY, MANY games with MP are played through very lightly before being judged. In fact, NOBODY ever talks about balancing or problems in games like MW2 because those problems become prevalent much after.

So I do agree that there is a slight problem reviewing MAG but it should NOT be given special treatment.

pixelsword5947d ago

MAG shouldn't be given any special treatment, and everyone will have to wait for the aftershocks instead of the initial quake of reviews to get a good grasp of what's going on.

raztad5947d ago

@Alpha

You are trying too hard man.

"Slight" problem? come on. Since when is valid to review betas as a final product? that's exactly what the first batch of reviews did. A proper review of MAG requires to explore the game throughly and go beyond the training level. If you havent noticed it, MAG game modes are unlocked progressively, and any decent reviewer must experience those modes in order to come up with a reliable conclusion. No to do it is equivalent to review a RPG just playing the first two hours.

-Alpha5947d ago

I am not disagreeing with you my friend. Like I already said, NOBODY got a grasp on MAG. But NOBODY cared until the beta reviews turned sour and went south.

The fanboys are all happy with MAG when it got great reviews but once that one negative review came in they suddenly were interested in the integrity of the articles.

Want to know what's funny?

There are MAG reviews today that STILL Rate the game in the 70s. Go on, check the "pending section".

They have a hard time getting approved. The excuses have run out, and the media still is giving generally favorable but mixed reviews.

Yet, an article on MAG that links to blurry pictures of the gun stats get 5 approvals already.

Tell me something, do you not see anything wrong with this?

2Spock5946d ago

God this site is getting so old it constant double standards to make someone or something look better than it is stupid. And how can people sit here and say well blah blah blah they cant review cause of blah blah blah STFU already god d@amn. People act like little f#$king 5 year olds. MAG is getting average scores so deal with it, it is getting what it deserves so stop crying about it. It took me hour and 20 mins to hit LVl 8 to play the 256 player game of acqusition. Reviewers dont have to spend 20 hours to play a game to decide if they like it or not.

sikbeta5946d ago

"The ->[critics]<- have spoken"

.....Muahahahahahahahahaha... ..

Man, that was hilarious, a fatboy kid that can't play the game properly cuz he hold an Slice of pizza can't be called a "Critic" lol

Anyway, this something I'm saying since the beginning, MAG is huge, you need to unlock Domination, get used to the maps, to your comrades and the more important thing is you need to work with your team and now the Factions are not So Well Established, playing a bunch of hours like a Rambo wannabe don't give you the possibility of Review the Game Correctly

In a Couple of weeks, when the Players get used to the game and everything else, the Factions will make the Game more enjoyable and everyone will notice the difference

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mrv3215947d ago

The problem with reviewing it before the game launched is was the fact the servers wheren't online and they couldn't review the game.

js7265947d ago

Well, yes, that's exactly why there weren't any reviews before day one, and that even the day one reviews are not the best to go by, but even now, it's hard for most to have really spent the kind of time with this game that is required for a review. Some sites, I've personally seen it on Kotaku and IGN, have posted impressions articles, saying that reviews will be forthcoming, once they've had more time with the game. It seems that's the only way to go about this game, because it's just a different beast.

-Alpha5947d ago

I agree with you. BUT:

-MAG is not the first or last game to be reviewed partially without playing the whole think. MW2 wasn't either. It's clear reviews for MP games are written partially, so why excuse MAG only?

-Sony held an event where people played the full 256 Domination mode. Not sure if the pre-embargo reviewers were a part of it though

-MAG is getting good scores regardless

-The first two reviews gave it a solid 80. NOBODY complained about the fact that the reviews were too early. Once a 68 came into play people started whining.

My question:

Why not throw out the reviews so far all together and wait a little longer? Why are people cherry picking the good reviews to believe in and making excuses for the ones that gave it a lower score? Is it that hard to believe that MAG is a standard FPS?

ATi_Elite5947d ago

I agree. I had no faith in any review that came out were I felt that
A. they are reviewing the beta
B. I know they didn't play on a server because they are still closed
C. played for like 1 hour in the no0b area and didn't unlock anything

So many reports detail you have to play the game a while, unlock the main feature to really get a sense of the magnitude of 256 players.

I feel this isn't a 100 or a 90 but around 85 87 but still 256 players is EPIC.

NateNater5947d ago

"Now, As far as I can recall, MAG is the first only online multiplayer shooter on a console."

Nope. Ever heard of Warhawk?

"That is why, once I receive MAG, the review will not come within a few days, or maybe even within a few weeks. I'm not going to write a real review until I've felt I've had the true experience. My first impressions, however, will be posted on day one."

Now thats what I call a good reviewer. Unlike everybody else who rushes out the reviews, he takes his time with the game. I like this and will be looking forward to the review.

rdgneoz35947d ago

Not many smart reviewers actually taking time with this game to review instead of rushing BS reviews to get hits on their sites.

callahan095947d ago

Warhawk definitely had a split-screen, offline multiplayer, too. MAG is strictly online multiplayer, so the quote is correct, as far as I know. Shadowrun on the 360 was multiplayer only, but I'm not sure if it was ONLINE multiplayer only or if it had split-screen (I never played that one).

js7265947d ago

-facepalm- Totally forgot about Warhawk.

Jeff2575947d ago

SOCOM Confrontation is also an online only Mutiplayer shooter.

sulack5947d ago

Warhawk and Socom... and it think there was 1 more but i cant remember

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Sevir045947d ago

Shadow Run and Warhawk Were one of the first Multiplayer only Games released on Consoles and the former actually sucking while the latter actually blew up and now has an online community of 1million players. MAg is but the 4 game on sony's platform that is a multiplayer only.

Sony release Warhawk, Socom:Con and Zen Studios released the craptacular Punisher multiplayer shooter game only on the PSN, and MAG picks up the Tail end of that.

So far i will say that Sony is the one showing Multiplayer and totally embracing Online gaming on unparalled scale.

js7265947d ago

But don't Warhawk and Shadowrun both feature local multiplayer, as well? MAG is the first online-only shooter to be released.

Raoh5947d ago

I love the ignore feature, makes n4g a much better place

now if only i could add those damned auto play advertisements too

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MAG was one of the most ambitious shooters ever and deserves a PS5 sequel

Zipper Interactive were once one of Sony's most important studios and became a household name due to their work on the SOCOM U.S. Navy SEALs series during the PlayStation 2's heyday. Their most ambitious title was MAG. Could it make a comeback?

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yellowgerbil2296d ago

Best game ever. I had put over 1700hrs into that game before it deteriorated too far with cheaters getting out of the map and sadly decided it was time to let it die (Zipper had already been closed down by that time).

_SilverHawk_2296d ago

Amazing game. Hopefully sony makes a sequel

XisThatKid2296d ago

This is the game in modern gaming that even got me into shooters i spent literally days with this game Raven All the way. War against the the mighty D ride oh so edgy S.V.E.R.

NecrumOddBoy2296d ago

Original Battle Royale. No microtransactions. Definitely ahead of time.

XBox4eva692296d ago

It's almost as far from battle royale as you can get. o_O

frostypants2296d ago

It didn't have a BR mode.

Da12RespectA2295d ago

That wasn't a battle royale game at all.

rdgneoz32295d ago

3 teams of 32 fighting it out would be considered Battle Royaleish. If you're gonna saying teams are OK when you start doing teams of 2 or 3 or 4, then 32v32v32 should work. And on besides that, it had 128 v 128 which was insanely fun.

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Muzikguy2296d ago (Edited 2296d ago )

I personally hadn't played much of it. I did spend a lot of time in PlanetSide 2 though (somewhat like MAG). Games like these tend to get overrun by cheaters and then ruined too often.

Teflon022296d ago

MAG didn't have that issue as far as I remember. I use to love the 256 matches. That game had an amazing community. Everyone actually communicated and played together. No one B****ed at the team. Everyone understood there was so much going on that if things are going wrong. Everyone had to think of new strategies.
Fav moment was when all 3 other squads 32 took their objectives but we were struggling with ours and had one more to blow up. The other leaders were communicating asking if the 2 nearest squads should send ppl. Our leader was like Naw I got a idea. So he told us all to die and set ourselves at the nearest hills prone without being seen. So we all did and surrounded the areas.
He said everyone on his count throw your grenades. Then snipers go all out and everyone else run in. They won't be able to get everyone and if needed the snipers go in about 10 seconds after.

Everyone did that and I got to the objective and set it off. 9 of us survived and got it. felt amazing to say I got the objective, cover me in that moment. Wish it was PS4 so I could have saved that moment
It was literally the coolest moment I had in a online shooter, closest since was BF4.

Muzikguy2296d ago

@Teflon

That does indeed sound like an awesome moment. One that makes games like these memorable for sure. It does seem like MAG had a lot more cooperation than most any online shooter

Teflon022295d ago

It did because you absolutely can't get no where in it without teamwork. It also didn't have an extremely big base of players. Everyone who played really wanted to play. I really hope they bring it back and do the same thing to only have serious players get into the big matches again

UltraNova2296d ago

Wow, what a run! This game looks better than PUBG!

Muzikguy2296d ago

Watching that video you wouldn't think the game was on PS3.

Spenok2296d ago

I adored this game too. Some of my best FPS online memories on it. So freaking good.

I'd love to see another game like this come out at some point. And NOT like Planetside... M.A.G. was something special.

yellowgerbil2296d ago

Yeah problem is if it existed now adays, it would likely be riddled with xp boosts and dance moves and all that other pay garbage...
MAG and Warhawk are the only 2 online games I ever got into, and both need a PROPER sequel on PS5.
Remember the first time I got 100 kills in a match, was in a turret with a repair kit and just mowed down wave after wave on Valors map.

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PrinceOfAnger2296d ago

I had so much fun with this game

TGGJustin2296d ago

This is a game that was ahead of its time. Had it came out on PS4 it would've done much better. I put hundreds of hours into this despite the problems it had on PS3.

UnholyLight2296d ago

Really interesting as an Xbox owner at the time. This game had captured my interest as a kid but I never got a chance to play it. Being on PS4 and soon possibly PS5, I would love to see this franchise brought back to life. I imagine with the power of next gen it would be really quite fun.

From what I hear and what I remember, this game was FAR ahead of it's time. A real shame it never truly took off from my understanding.

grifter0242296d ago

I'm an xbox boy since mech warrior but got a ps3 slim for mag. If you liked halo or cod you'd have had a blast in mag. Was one of the first games you could actually do something other than shooting and still make a difference in game.

spicelicka2295d ago

PS4 needs something like it. In the multiplayer space it's far behind the Xbox, there are no quality multiplayer games on it that aren't on other consoles.

Dirtnapstor2296d ago

Yes, yes, and yes. Way ahead of it's time. Would love to see a PS5 variant of this game.

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Modern Warfare Ground War mode has MAG vibes

Erina Rose, Sausage Roll writes, "Call of Duty: Modern War introduced a new, improved, Ground War game mode this weekend that reminds us of the old PlayStation 3 classic, MAG."

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ilikestuff2421d ago (Edited 2421d ago )

I never played mag, I did play this beta however, and if mag was like this beta then (fart noises) for mag.

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TheGamez1002421d ago

Man do I miss mag and zipper.

TheSinsibleOne2421d ago

Seriously though. Nowadays this and next gen are practically begging for a new MAG.

zodiac9092421d ago

How did we go from having games like resistance 1, 2, warhawk with 30 vs 30 player battles, and M.A.G. with 128 vs 128 players, ON LAST GEN to now having 20 vs 20...such a step back.

JEECE2421d ago

Because Sony hadn't figured out how to market their exclusives yet. Plus at that time COD craze was at its peak. So "generic high school bro #7," who was the primary purchaser of FPSs at that time (or at least represented a crowd necessary to sustain a playerbase), if he even had a PS3, would have just seen a game like MAG as a "copycat of Black Ops, man."

Not to mention MAG was pretty terribly uninviting for new people after awhile, because it was more skill-based. This was great for veterans, but if you weren't willing to put in the time getting destroyed for awhile, you would never appreciate the game. The Battlefield: Bad Company and BF:3 games out during that gen were far more accessible to lower level players.

Vegamyster2421d ago

Battlefield 4 was at the start of the generation and had 64 players, to me it depends more on how the map/gameplay is utilized, i enjoyed the 20vs20 modes more in the MW Beta than the 64 player ground war mode.

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moomoo3192421d ago

It feels absolutely nothing like MAG lol. Way more battlefield vibes

xX-oldboy-Xx2420d ago

And even those are very small vibes, it still feels like COD at the end of the day.

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MAG: The Greatest Game You Never Played

Almost 10 years ago the greatest first person shooter came out and most of you probably never heard of it, never got to play it and never will.

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FiLTHY ESKiMO2540d ago

Who would the next gen version nor that Zippers gone?

_SilverHawk_2540d ago

I remember this game and it was amazing. I would like it if Sony would make another one because this game was ahead of it's time.

RememberThe3572539d ago

It was an amazing concept and it was a cool game, it was just ahead of it's time. I played the sh!t outta MAG, but the game itself played just okay. I'd love to have seen a sequel, even just a spiritual successor, especially with the next gen coming and the way cloud computing has advanced a game like that nowadays would be awesome.

Elwenil2539d ago

It may have been amazing if you played for SVER, but if you played for Raven or Valor, it was an unbalanced mess. I had some fun with it, but the player count was an illusion at best and false advertising at it's worst. The map and faction balance was so ridiculously skewed you knew who was going to win as soon as you saw what team you were against. It definitely had some interesting ideas, but was far from an amazing experience in my opinion. I would have much rather Zipper have made another SOCOM game rather than MAG.

darthv722539d ago

that game would make for a great battle royale release. So many players all at once... it was ahead of its time for a console shooter.

TheGamez1002540d ago

Was such an underrated game. One of my most favorite fps of last gen. So unfortunate zipper was closed down. Imagine if it was a success and thered be a 2nd game by now.....

TekoIie2540d ago (Edited 2540d ago )

I can think of many better games that I've yet to play...

"Almost 10 years ago the greatest first person shooter came out"

HAH. So is Planetside 2 now the best FPS ever? Because it does everything MAG can and does it far better. I'm afraid that MAG is basically your standard FPS but uses scale as it's selling point. The vast majority of shooters that focus on smaller scale matches have gameplay leaps and bounds better than MAG so it is definitely not the greatest FPS.

I know many people are going to try and refute this by telling me to look at the three factions but MAG has literally no character. The game is call 'Massive. Action. Game' for gods sake which is a contender for 'The Worst Title a Game Could Have' award. I've never been a fan of Zipper but I hear great things about them from their PS2 days. However, with MP gaining popularity in the generation that followed I think it says a lot that they couldn't keep up with the competition.

Knushwood Butt2540d ago

'HAH. So is Planetside 2 now the best FPS ever? Because it does everything MAG can and does it far better.'.

It was released years later.

Was there anything offering what MAG did when MAG was released?

TekoIie2540d ago

"Was there anything offering what MAG did when MAG was released?"

Yes, Planetside 1.

Knushwood Butt2540d ago

Fair enough.

Can't say I've played it, but I enjoyed MAG for a while.

FantasticBoss2539d ago

MAG was one of the very few games trying to do scale like it did, but I think it missed the mark. Wish it could have had a sequel though as they may have been able to iterate on it to create something pretty neat.

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Profchaos2538d ago

Sony had a awesome approach to online in the PS2 days with SOCOM co op that had games working together to achieve a tactical goal they pioneered voice chat on the PS2 for SOCOM but as they steamrolled ahead it was clear team Deathmatch would take over in popularity which shifted zippers approach so all their experience amounted for not much when designing online in the PS3 era.
It still was a decent game but couldn't stand out compared to cod which had millions of players consistently

yellowgerbil2540d ago

Loved mag had over 1700hrs into it across many accounts, remember my first 100 kill sabotage game, was insane

BLow2539d ago

Yes, so do I and not that game they released on PS3. I'm talking the one Zipper did and not Slant Six. At least Slant Six tried to do the series justice once they fixed the issues.

The one Zipper did didn't feel like Socom to me. It felt more like Ghost Recon to be honest. I absolutely loved the voice commands and I figured they would be even better on next gen hardware. They didn't even bother doing anything.

Maybe, I just wanted it more grounded and not so techy if that makes sense. I just wanted to go into jungles or missions just using my wits and patience and not have to use a bunch of gadgets. I wanted to be able to give orders with my voice to squad members. Yeah, they can at least have earpieces lol.

It's hard to explain but I know the old school Socom players know what I'm saying. Socom just had a certain feeling and the new game didn't feel that way. Slant Six yes. Zipper no...

We can only hope but if they bring it back they have to do it right. If not don't bother and just make something new. I rather have the memories I had with Socom be mostly positive than negative. Unless you pull a God of War, don't bother lol.

I've already said too much but that goes to show how much I loved Socom. Especially 1 and 2.....

Deathdeliverer2539d ago (Edited 2539d ago )

Game was simply ahead of its time. If mag came out now with improved graphics people would be blown away. Back then people whined about the graphics even though it had players literally everywhere. It was several great games in one. Battlefield, Ghost Recon, and Call of duty.

Hungryalpaca2539d ago

What exactly was it ahead of its time in? Player count? Planetside released in 2003 and and played count per match was over 300.

xkvcq2538d ago (Edited 2538d ago )

The BETA for MAG was one of my fondest gaming moments. I was highly anticipating the start of the beta servers but I had school that day. I had started downloading it that morning as soon as it was available and just when it finished downloading I found out school was cancelled, last minute, because of weather. BEST. SNOW DAY. EVER. I played the beta all day, continuing to put off my homework :P

TekoIie2538d ago (Edited 2538d ago )

Well have I got news for you pal! Planetside 2 has been available for nearly 4 years on the PS4 and longer on PC and people still aren't blown away. Maybe the novelty of scale is actually overrated and people don't care as much about it which is why MAG failed when multiplayer shooters were at peak popularity during it's lifetime?

If you were blown away by 256 players in 2010 why would you not have been blown away by 1000 roughly 2-3 years later?

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