I need to get more than 10 hours in to claim something like that, but it does seem believable.

FALLOUT 3 or Oblivion for this gen.

lmao @ "best RPG ever made"

You know they aren't gamers.

i agree it might be great, but it is not the best ever made. this gen there haven't been to many RPG's, jsut cuz this game came and has hype doesn't make it the lol. there are many RPG's out there that ppl rather play is all im saying. People have to ask themselves if they are going to be talking about ME2 10 -20 years from noe the FF series, chrono trigger, DQ etc.

...that's FF7. Try again.

That being said....

If White Knight wasn't around the corner, I would def get this on PC. Simply curious.

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they got paid by MS to say that

I don't count ME2 or ME as a RPG at all..It's more TPS then anything.

I'd much rather have gotten it for PS3 instead of PC but i dont wanna wait that long...could be like 10 years before it lands on PS3 finally lol.

I actually hope they make that movie they've been speculating about ... it would be almost like a Star Wars type movie ... a lot of work would have to be put into it, but the adaptation definitely has infinite potential.

I still can't believe people think ME2 is a RPG.

" The issue mass effect had is that the rpg aspects, classes, stats, gear, party really didn't matter because you could do whatever you wanted and succeed. That isn't the RPG experience. The RPG experience consists of formula based combat and success. That means there has to be hard counters, the items, and the stats you have must be important in order to garner success.

WoW is a great example of what makes an RPG an RPG and being able to f*cking fail if you're a sack of potatoes not understanding the basics and formula of combat. You need to achieve specifics, tailor your party, and your character to succeed during encounters. I'm talking pre-burning crusade endgame raids where the game actually requires something of players. Whether that is correct party composition, resistances, talents, gear, and strategies.

Mass Effect has levels, stats, and gear however combat isn't dictated by whether or not your stats are delegated out in a manner consistent with a specific class role. You could take all of the same class and succeed. Combat was instead simply you showed up and unless you quit playing you'd win. It didn't help the "AI" is the possibly the worst ever either. This auto-scailing sh*t also makes for games where everything is forgiving of f*cking retarded ass decisions and choices whether with your party, character stats, or strategies you use. Mass effect is like the burger king of RPG's. The "have it your way" RPG for people that don't like RPG's. They enjoy it because you don't have to know anything of the game to succeed. You can allocate points, gear, and part composition however you want.

RPG games are entirely about formulas and success via mathematical understanding with some luck thrown in via random factors. This casual approach where all of that is going to the way side so anyone who put money down can succeed defeats what a lot of gamers enjoyed about the genre.

Mass Effect is hailed as the only "rpg" a lot of gamers that don't like rpgs like because beyond the outward appearance on the UI and what Bioware said it's not one. Hur dur you play a role, levels, and items. EVERY game has that sh*t but only when that sh*t determines the outcome of success can it be truly called an RPG. A lot of "action" rpgs are really piss f*cking poor rpg's as well and that is exactly what mass effect is."

If you actually think ME2 is a RPG, read this first, and then defend it.

I'm interested. I might have to pick it up (for $20), but I hated ME1. Should I have played it first?

Mass Effect 2 is the greatest Western RPG ever made.

Planescape: Torment anyone?

It´s a hell of a game though,go Tali!

its the 2nd best rpg ever made the 1st would go to kotor1 FACT!!!!

Western RPG's have come a long way, and J-Rpg's went into a strong decline ever since this generation began.

I havent finished Mass effect 2 yet, but it do is shaping up to be one of the best rpg's i ever played.
I rank it among the experiences i had with Xenogears, Suikoden 2, FF7, FF6, Chrono Trigger and Secret of Mana.

When i finish Mass effect 2, theres a good chance il say Mass effect 2 tops them all.
Especially since Mass effect 2 is way more complex and good looking then the games i mentioned, and also got way stronger gameplay elements.

Honestly tell me that Mass Effect is better than these:

1. FFVII
2. Earthbound
3. Chrono Trigger
4. Xenogears
5. Suikoden
6. Diablo II
7. KOTOR
8. FFIV

If Mass Effect 2 had the remembrance of these games, then I would consider it one of the greatest, but it's simply an above average game. This is coming from a guy who has played well over 200 RPGs his entire life.

for an Xbox console that is......let's not get carried away here. what's happening here again is that some fanboy nut is fixated on the concept of MS / Xbox 360 = The World. lol, how pathetic.

But if it is more of the same as Mass Effect, then it is not gonna be the greatest RPG of all time for me.

I guess I am one of the few that really didn't care too much for the Mass Effect, I mean I could see it was well made, but definitely not my cup of tea. I'd actually say BioWare's Dragon Age Origins is much better than Mass Effect.

But as I always say, to each their own opinion.

it burns your black heart to the core to hear that a rival console has the best RPG ever. The spin and lies you come out with to make yourself feel better is hilarious. Keep it up. Mass effect 2 owns you and PS3, so keep crying.

Im about 8 hours in and so far it feels like the best western RPG I EVER PLAYED. It has the best and most interesting characters I have ever seen in a game also.

given that the first game had more rpg elements in it then this one i would like to know what that makes the first one. this one has only a few things that you can turely upgrade and make your own. me2 went down in the rpg scale to bring up the shooter scale wich is a let down. i like the way me2 plays but rpg elements in me1 are way better

"It got:
Character Development - Check.
Equipment - Check
Leveling - check
Item shops and towns - check
Manageable party - check
more then 20 hours of gameplay - check
Lots of dialog - check
Weapon/ship upgrades - check
Sidequests - check
Items and pets - check "

This list is a joke right?

Character Development? Oh ya, I forgot. Only RPGs have character development. FAIL

Equipment? You mean the armor and stuff I would equip in Resident Evil 5? In SOCOM? ME2's armor system is so bare. Taking away the armor skill tree was idiotic. Not to mention at least the weapons in games like MW2, RE5, SOCOM, Metal Gear Online had way way way more customization options than ME2.

Leveling? Every game has leveling up nowadays. Is MW2's online a RPG now? Bad Company 2 a RPG now? Dante's Inferno, a RPG? Metal Gear Online, a RPG?

Manageable party? Ghost Recon, SOCOM 1-3, Arma 2, etc.. all those tactical shooters are RPGs? Republic COmmando is a RPG now?

Item Shops and towns....Ok....Ratchet and Clank. Item Shops and towns.

More than 20 hours of gameplay? Ok this is just stupid. Far Cry 2's single player took me over 40 hours. Is Far Cry 2 a RPG?

Lots of Dialogue? Probably the most detailed RPG element in ME2. Yet, Heavy Rain can offer the same dialogue and choices....so is Heavy Rain a RPG?

Items and Pets? You mean like the items I used in RE5 or other games? In metal gear online?

pets? You mean the sentry gun in ME2? One class? Not to mention an Engineer in Team Fortress 2 has more "pets"

Sidequests? Confirmed. Prototype and inFamous are RPGs.

Weapon Upgrades? Army of Two, Ratchet and Clank, RE5, Dead Space etc.. Those are all RPGs.

This isn't a RPG. ME2 is a very good game. But it isn't an action game. It is an action game with more depth than say Gears of War. Unlike Gears of War, it has some mild RPG elements thrown in, and some squad tactics involved. That is what ME2 is. An action game with mild RPG elements.

Now, I read your post saying you played all these RPGs, yet you didn't name the PC platform. So that means you haven't played Fallout 2? Baldur's Gate 2? Diablo 2? World of Warcraft? Everquest? EVE Online? Planescape Torment? Those are true WRPG classics. Not Mass Effect.

And to whoever mentioned Diablo 2 as not being a RPG...how is Diablo 2 not a RPG? Have you even played Diablo 2?

"What you've discribed there sir
IS a JRPG.
If you look at most, if not All Western RPG You'll see that MAss Effect IS a WRPG, saying otherwise would be like saying
Fallout 3 isn't an RPG
Oblivion, Morrowind , Diablo 2 ,Even dragon age is completable with character builds best suited for 'your personal experience' as opposed to What stat best suits your character to beat 'x' foe.

To make my rant atad bit shorter, I think everything you just said is utterly retarded."

Fallout 3, Oblivion are action RPGs.

Diablo 2 is a point and click RPG

Dragon Age isn't a RPG? Don't talk about the terrible console port. The PC port is how you should play it.

I seriously don't understand the stupid coming out of you. Are you saying that you can beat a game like Dragon Age by choosing the class that is best suited for your personal experience? You mean choosing the class that you are best with? What the hell? Don't you do that in every game? Like play with the weapon you are most effective with?

Seriously, you are speaking stupid.

tell me how it ranks up in the top with some of the best rpg's. doesn't rpg stand for role playing game meaning that you have control over almost anything you want on your charector. in me2 you have very small thing you can control you have like four thing to upgrade in term of your powers and then you can paint your suit and change it a littel. your gun upgrades are really lame you find a upgrade and have the choice to either put it on or leave it off and you only have a few from what i can tell. i have played for about 6 to 7 hours and have not found the rpg elements to be that great. i like the game in terms of controls and presentation, but they wanted to make it more like a shooter and that is what they did. still a good game, me3 better have way more rpg elements in it

love the game
bought it for my pc but it is hardly the greatest rpg
it's barely an rpg
its still a 9 and above

It seems popular to debate what's a "true" RPG lately. I wasted enough time on this topic from RPG purists/ elitists with Demon's Souls, so count me out of this one. It was amusing in many ways to me because I've been playing RPGs since the mid-80s and am actual quite familiar with the genre. In fact, RPGs and adventure games have actually always been my favorite genres, and Chrono Trigger is my all-time favorite game, which cost me around $90 on SNES back in the day.

Anyway, regardless of whether a game meets one's definition of a a "true" RPG, these recent RPG hybrid games like Demon's Souls, Borderlands, and now Mass Effect 2 happen to be among the very best games on the market. Have fun in this circular, endless debate while I'm just enjoying these superb games.

But in alot of ways reminds me of Deus Ex: The Invisible Wars, which was also a great game (that flew well under the radar).

Being as old a gamer as I am, you start to find games that have just been 'reformatted' or 'updated' for the new generation of kids. Like Dead Space - It's really Doom dressed in 'new skin'. Not to take away from the game but these good games aren't really all that 'new'.

There is no best rpg. Saying that there is, is like saying that there is a best movie or best song. Everyone has there own opinion.

The Mass Effect Franchise is my favorite RPG of this Gen. I am currently about 10 hours into the game, and there are moments in the game where i am like "Ah ya MAN!!!" because i transfered over my character, and the decisions you made in the first come up when you are not expecting it in ME2.

Awesome game. Thanks Bioware.

Sorry, this title goes to either Chrono Trigger or FF7...You know, games that were actually RPGs!!!!

God this generation is ignorant!

Baldur's Gate II is better. But ME2 is top 10.