This personally does not sound good for me. But it has changed my stance in buying it first ill have to try it out somewhere be4 i get my hands on it that is if i want it. I wanna see them take full advantage of the hardware in the 360 and natal that is possible and combine them together to a AAA game that i will enjoy for a long time.

ur takin it to another level lol yeah i agree consumers dont care they just see a new gadget that will make their gaming experience more fun, better.. but people into all this stuff always scrutinize new things to the outmost like to say they eat diget it and crap it

I think so...

Flop.

Floptal.

It seems that by removing the original cpu counterpart inside natal, they can actually provide updates for natal that can reduce the latency issues.

http://www.popsci.com/gadge...

Natal works off of artificial intelligence that has the recordings of trillions of positions of the users body, natal then works almost like a search engine, determining what each part of the body is doing and finding the most accurate position for the full body.

It's as if a mother is trying to teach a child what a hand is by pointing at it and repeating 'hand' over and over.

By removing the chip, they can provide updates for natal when they create faster algorithms and when they have a substantial increase in the database of possible user positions.

not only that, it also reduces the cost of the attachment.

At the same time, the hit only effects the console's cpu, which is never working at 100% anyways, and the gpu which does most of the graphics for the 360 wont be touched. All that might happen is less overhead for AI or physics. Also, if a game is utilizing subtle actions, like only hand gestures, then the processing hit will become reduced.

We also don't know if it's a flat 15% over 1 - 4 players, or if there's a bigger hit if you have more then 1 player.

So when we plug in the Natal thingy if a game is on you should see the frame rate half?

Kinda silly trying to make something that needs a PC power to run it properly on a limited power system. MS really don't think ahead much.

I wanted one of these but I will see what it performs like when my vidoe store mate gets one for free lol.

Ok hang on just 2 seconds didn't MS say they where making a beefy version of the xbox a little while back?

Why not just market it for the newer more powerfull system? Or did MS pull that idea???

having trouble picking up people with dark skin because it was for a wile and if they cant fix that
they are fu*ked

It'll go one of two ways:

1) It's expensive, meaning nobody will buy it because of the 3-figure RRP and fail

- OR -

2) It'll be cheaper, sub-$50 (with a game) but rely a bit on the 360 to work.

All in all, I'm fine with the second option, I've played too many games this generation that boasted they were "Pushing the console to its limits" only to be an absolute letdown. Some of my favourite games have been those that, by all other standards, look a bit naff. Look at COD: 4 - hardly award winning graphics (And MW2 wasn't much better), or even Left 4 dead, it still looks like HL2 (a 5 and a bit year old game!), but its so much fun to play. Portal is another example of an absolute gem this generation had and, once again, its graphics were nothing to write home about, everyone was more amazed by the gameplay and the story (none of which rely heavily on the CPU - portal "physics" are relatively trivial to do).
Now I'm not saying it's ideal, but if it was a choice between those two scenarios, 2 is by far the best one. Besides, the vast majority of titles for Natal are going to be fairly new genres anyway (hopefully), so does it really really matter?

It's a fair question.. But all we can do is speculate until we actually see the tech in it's final state and what the dev's have been working on.

At least MS debunked some of this stuff before the anti-MS propaganda machine got into full swing.. It went quickly up to %33 and I'm sure if they left it out there unanswered it would of spiralled to %56 and then well.. just like some other thing that happened.. Funny it also started at %33, maybe the half-wit creating these lies doesn't know another percentage?

The real question is what games for the 360 have been high-end? Everything on the 360 looks like it was a 2007 PS3 game.

From a tech point of view, it would be totally possible to just allow the natal device to do all the calculations and just send the data along to the 360. Why not do that? Price probably...as cpu's are pricey.

I honestly don't think this will be a problem though. Even an old Athlon Dual core doesn't use 100% cpu in modern games, so I don't think the 360's tripple core will show much hit. It will just demand more efficient programming. I don't see the real big blockbusters using anyway.

I can't wait to get Natal and plug it into my PS3.

All these Questions Answered & More After The RROD.

"Those reports gave way to comments we received from a source familiar with the development of Project Natal who said that the peripheral would actually need to use up to 33 percent, a third, of the 360's CPU."

This is not a good sign for things to come. The last thing 360 games needs is less resources. All this means is that we won't see high end graphical games on project Natal.

What high end games? The 360 games with traditional controls doesn't even compare to 2 year old PS3 games. Imagine how Natal games will look like. Crap I tell you.

YES we all are smartest then the engineers and the programmers working at Natal.
What we all thinks is irrelevant. Natal is made for CASUAL players. They don't care about graphics or lag.

I don't think they really intended it to be used in hardcore games. I doubt Natal can even be used properly with games like MW2, Gears, or other action games that require to control camera movement. It'll probably be used for casual games like ricochet to steal some of the Wii market. I have no interest in it but I think it will sell well.

ROFL.....So Natal huh? Future? Not looking like it anymore. Its an eye toy that can hear you.

but,we are questioning microsoft just like all their other FIBS they've told.i won't name them as that's an easy deletion right there.so let's make this EASY......

the question is "will natal work with high end games?"

i can do one better and make this very simple(and since microsoft will only show ricochet......

HOW ABOUT MICROSOFT SHOWING US RICOCHET PLAYED WITH TWO PLAYERS.

easy isn't it?not even a high end game.just balls being hit across a screen.split the screen in half and show us it WORKS.

i won't even say 3 or 4 players.that might be too difficult.let them show us natal played with two players if it's not taxing the system and that should quiet everyone up for awhile.

easy.simple.read it while you can as the mods have their finger on the button.

if they gimp natal it will fail before it starts.

i went form excited to feeling natal will be gimped. good going MS.

since natal will require 1/3 of xbox power
the machine won't be able to handle
since it's already maxed out by not so high-end games (GeoW 2)

Thats what Natal is.

Expect more RROD cases in 2010 as the 360 struggles to run a so-called high end 360 game using natal.

360 games already look worse than PS3 exclusives, imagine how bad things are gonna get once they lose 15-20% processing power in ordr to make a controller work...

Flop out.

seems like they will be wanting to target the more 'casual' market cus looking at what info they've given us so far...

they took out the chip to reduce the price. This is fair enough since it obv means more ppl will wanna buy it. also a more 'casual' player wouldn't want to pay a lot for a peripheral. another reason why the wii has been so popular imo with it's lower price point.

by taking up processing power for natal it's clear games can't be pushed as much as if they could use all of the 360's power which leads me to believe we'll see much more 'party' or 'family' type games.

I thought Natal is so advanced. So, now its a camera and some SW doing image processing. Just like that other, aeh, eyetoy. No ? Oh, yeah, that's right. It can do 3D (guess what, the "other one" can, too). Whoaa! But its innovation when MS defines it, right ?

M$ lied, but that's all right, because according to Grunberg: "These were early mock ups and things as we were describing how this would be done. And now, as we have development kits in developer hands and we've got developers actively working on games, those details are obviously becoming much more firm."

Oh, I get it. It wasn't a lie. They just didn't know at the time, but sold it off as such. Nah, right, the others telling them it won't work or is not feasible were idiots at that time, I know. Where is the big outcry, people ?

LMFAO. LOL. M$. The marketing wonder. Sell icebergs to Eskimos, will you please ?

BIGGER QUESTION....
Will MS guarantee me that Natal will not overtax my 3rd launch 360 and cause a RROD. After getting a 3rd 360, which has lasted 3 years now, I am scared about putting more of a load on it.
If you have a launch 360..just be cautious.. Natal may cause new RROD and we are NOT covered by MS..
MS needs to step up and guarantee this will not happen. You know they wont, I just hope they are not pulling another launch disaster by not testing the product out as they did when they launched the 360.
MS step up and promise us or no Natal for me and all other smart launch 360 owners

so let me get this straight the SO vastly improved AI cant do much than what the eyetoy done 7 years ago well 11 years ago actualy

XB2 has high end games? Since when?

if natal uses 33% cpu would that re-awaken RROD issues again?? and
thought game frame rate was 60fps not 30fps

I like the idea of natal, but its just not plausible for hardcore games and I think MS know that, just look at the Half-Life 2 demo being a total fail. Their focusing totally now on casual, which aint really a bad thing as I quite like a few casual flings from time to time especially when the lads are around. But for one was hoping to see more fully interactive hardcore games, I guess they can implement it, like head tracking...melee attacks etc but alittle disappointed with the news im hearing lately, as long as it 50-99 pound I'll properly pick it up for my bro..I just a sucker for new tech

you can be sure the answer is:

no.

What a FAIL

So, according to other articles floating around. It uses 15% cpu power, but graphics wont be effected: just sound, physics and AI? So if you turn on the natal gubbins in say halo:reach, it will make the game sound rubbish, jumping silly, and actaully make the game easier?

"buy this pheriperial, it makes our games rubbish!"

sounds like a plan MS!!

um correct me if I am wrong but doesn't the 360 pretty much use 1 core now for decompression.This wouldn't hurt graphic much if the developers lessened their compressed data.So instead of them using a core to decompress they will have to allow more games to go on multiple dvds.then use that core for natal.But taking away system resources is always going to hurt the system.Besides how many companys were making a natal game thinking they had full use of all the system resources so those games will have to be reworked to use less resources.And it might not be possible for every developer to get the games they had wanted to make made with the reduction in resources.

This is a nonsense peripheral that will be largely ignored by gamers.
It will stay completely optional and in the end won’t matter.
Like I said at the onset, this is a reactionary move on MS’s part to satisfy shareholders, they pretty much HAVE to respond to the Wii’s success in some fashion, (by respond I mean develop a “me too” product) or risk losing investors.
Last year it was Avatars this year motion control.
The investor’s don’t really care that its wasted money researching/developing a toy nobody wants, they simply want MS to do something to, what they perceive as, protecting their investments. Natal will release to much fanfare, fail, and be quickly forgotten.

No hate for it mind you, just my 2 cents

I think the main problem is the DVD, company's are now going to have to add the software for Natal an doing such will take memory to, which limits what can be done for the game.

Now I bet the games are going to look alot better then the Wii's but mostly because DVD is much bigger then the cd that WIi uses, if the 360 was build the way the Xbox was. Like had a 3.5 hard drive an they didn't forbidden you from taking it out.

Then what they could do is, when you put the game in, their is a update for it and what that does is add the Natal software an just runs right off of the hard drive. But seeing how Microsoft didn't plan that far ahead, they are just going to have to limit it on a disc.

Natal should really be a stand alone product. Its not going to work as a peripheral. First off, you need a really open living space to make it all work, and second, its really going to be niche, it does not appeal to the core xbox audience. Microsoft should have developed it as a stand alone gaming experience, I think it would have marketed better.

and the wands hev BOOMED!

honestly... judging from thw way they over exaggerated how natal wokrs... it wont even live up to the riduculous hype it produced...

only stupid lil ignorant kids would buy this and still like it even if it does suck.

cuaual gamers should stick to wii

and hardcore/causal gamers are most likely to play the PS3