NATAL captures you at 30fps, NOT NATAL GAMES just to let yall slaves know before yall scream it nothing but a eye toy rip off.

but is that before or after you begin applying it to game calculations to it?

Lets say you're playing a sport game, and it has to calculate the force at which you're swinging a bat, does that reduce the number of calculations natal is doing or not?

I do have to admit, the whole 3d thing they showed in the video was cool. I could imagine a mgs game telling you to look out behind the couch, and it actually reference the couch you're sitting on.

Natal will do this Natal will do that natal will run like this and that.

Can natal play any "new" games? it's time to show some stuff.

It "captures" 30 frames per second.

A high frame rate makes for fluid motion capture. 30 frames per second is ok... But Sony's pseye will preform motion capture at up to 120 fps. Look it up or I will have to search for the proof.

Isn't Natal just like Sony's PSEye, but a bit more enhanced?

@rob6021
So it evens out then? They're practically the same thing then. I really don't see the big deal with it. The PSEye was dumb and Natal will, in the end, be considered wasted funds.

if it only does 30 frames a second

Hello Input LAG... This thing will be the laughing stock of Microsoft forget Vista. The guy at sony already confirmed that you need 60 fps, or even 120fpt several years ago for precise controls. Well microsoft will cut corners to cut price that's for sure, but it will destroy them in the end.

30fps isn't the speed of this thing. That's like saying the moment you slap someone, that's the response time. The actual response time is the processing after you receive that 30fps info. Natal will receive that info at 30fps and the 360 will have to process that into something usable. If it allows multiple users, it will have more to process. It's got a lot to do with full body tracking here guys and a potential of multiple users.

Natal is the only reason i'm goin back to 360. I have to get my hand on that. I love new tech and will have this after the first batch is pushed out.

they said they have 20 years of research and loads of patents on this, but didnt they just buy a company from last years CES.

This and Gem will fail to what Nintendo got coming at E3 for the Wii

MS/SONY are wasting their time trying to catch up to Wii.

Microsoft does research i thought they just steal and buyout companies.

but seriously, won't it be weird if you have to play games like fps or rpg type using either of them,especially fps? For sports or casual indie games perhaps.I will stick with my dualshock 3,good to go for most games. Nothing can't beat a joystick in my opinion.

30 FPS is the perfect framerate.

R.I.P crapbox, 2010 year the Crapbox fails to impress.

Jump Out, Play B3yond

If Natal is tracking your movements and putting it in the game wouldn't the game have to at least match the fps rate that Natal is tracking you with? If the game is running at 60fps but Natal is only tracking at 30fps wouldn't there be horrible lag issues?

1. It can't give the player any physical feedback (or haptics). Punching or kicking the air doesn't feel right compared to the Wii mote where I actually have something physical in my hands and feel the recoil when I swing to hit something.

2) There are no buttons or analog stick. You can forget about playing any kind of platformers, FPS etc. The games most fitting for it are fitness games and casual mini type games. To be fair I can see some new genres being born from Natal but hardly nothing the "core" gamer would be interested in.

3) Microsoft are amateurs when it comes to this kind of family, casual - whatever you want to call it gaming. They have no experience with these types of games and dealing with this kind of market while Nintendo has been making these types of games for almost 3 decades. They got some brass you know what for trying to step on Nintendo's territory.

By the way, Natal, for the most part, will not be catering to the "core" gamers who are probably the only people that knows it exists. So why Eye Toy 2.0 getting so much hype in the gaming community?

30 hz isnt optimal for motion detection, for refererence the wii ir sensor polls at 240hz. Gem at 120hz.
However if motion is predictable (steering wheel is a classic example) then some fancy interpolation can compensate and make the motion detection seem smoother than it is. so 30hz wont be a problem if movements are simple.

NATAL will anticipate your movements before you actually make them, thus decreasing lag immensly.... it looks like a bad idea by the way.

Natal has dual 30fps "3d" cameras, 30 left 30 right , After max load say 4+ people on screen, this information is sent to r cpu/1 and 2 before going to usb bus, the 360 cpu/gpu does not decode any information sent by natal because of cpu stream in, the usb on the back of the 360 is not a stand ed usb bus type? You have to stop thinking ps3eye guys it ant the same tech, The natal has the ability to render you trillion's of times per frame, they are using a form of interpolation frame enhancer, but it ant like the interpolation you get from going from 60hz to 120/240 with you hd tv, The tech is smart it is designed to know how you move how your body is designed, you throw a ball it can render the human arm from shoulder to wrist to individual finger tips, The lag you talk about 33 milliseconds is not true the lag is down to 0.5 milliseconds, all I can say is remember the first time you saw Hidef tv how clear every thing moved, that is how natal feels when using Natal it has that 240hz motion body feel thing going on, the new update December 2/2009 sdk are way way better then what we had pre e3 and after. Guys wait and see for your self before riding some thing off, same goes for the sony motion control, we ant talking Wii here, but with 3d having a huge market crunch weather you like it all not the industry has chosen, so we must follow or you can go retro, ether way Natal is a true 3d controller you will see? But some of the Hardcore guys are worried the 360 controller is gone, well it ant going any were for a long long time,

controller over motion anyday

wont buy it

you better not move too fast =P

Oh these fk retarded azz bots . First they said the wii mote is retarded and now there jumpin for this eyetoy shlt that came out on the ps2 10 years ago . Bots love last gen shlt just look at the shlt they bought or what there mami bought them .

That's okay. Xboys move at only 5FPS anyway.

Absolutely predictable and typical of Microsoft. How exactly is Natal going to be more compelling as an experience than Eyetoy.

Will it come with a 30% failure rate?

Post Natal has its processing chip removed!
TY M$ for putting more load on mah 360 cpu!

http://www.n4g.com/tech/New...

M$ removes Natal Processor to make it cheeper!

http://www.n4g.com/tech/New...

Thank you M$

because the Mole made it.

I wonder with this heavy load of computing brought by Natal, would we see another wave of RROD appearing?

BTW, if it's not fast enough for Bruce Lee, then it's not fast enough for me. 30FPS would miss Bruce punching you in the face! Puh Kow!!!!! LOL

"A regular controller works through an interrupt, take a keyboard for example, the actions are instantaneous, they work at the speed of electricity,"

ABSOLUTE RUBBISH!!!!

Firstly, 'speed of electricity' What the hell is that?? If you actually mean electron flow, then please learn the basics of Electrical engineering,jeez.Concentrate on the basics of OHMS LAW

Secondly,the interrupt handler routine would service the interrupt depending on the device driver, and that would take t-i-m-e

Electronics 101. Everything in electronics, is in relation to TIME. This tells you there is no such thing as instantaneous.

i want natal just to have it as a way to control the 360, so even if the games suck i can use natal as my own minority report type controller.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

It doesn't say the framerate the Eye runs at, but the ability to do 120 Hz is a great thing. : )

30fps is gonna be fine for the games that will work with Natal, none of which I am interested in, except possible Fable, IF the combat works well..

I for some reason thought Natal was a spring release. I for one wont buy this, I dont play the wii and I wont use a wand on the ps3 either. Not my thing!

I have a ps3 and 360 and quite frankly am rather worried about Natal.
It sounds cool, but Microsoft really sucks at hardware lately. I just don't want the camera to RROD on me. and If they make this cool and non gimmicky *cough* wii *cough*, then we'll see.

but I just bought a wireless headset and since my 360 is first gen (you wouldn't believe the kind of crap I've had to deal with, for instance, the mic couldn't sync with the console because a single label deep down in the heatsink was interfering with the signal. It's that random. Not to mention the fact that I've made my own air cooling system out of an apple jacks cereal box to create better air flow, thanks to the random folks on youtube).

Man the biggest failure is about to happen this year Natal is going to crash and burn baby can't wait to see it all happen.

with their track record of lying about console sales, why didn't they just say it ran at 60fps?

The PSeye captures human movement at 60fps but after the update it'll support 120fps for the motion controllers.

360 proved to be outdated AGAIN!

PS3 fanboys are just pathetic.

Let the Natal bashing begin from people who never tried it....

Are we supposed to be impressed? 30FPS is basically the standard.

"Let the Natal worshiping begin from people who have never tried it."

Exactly. It's the same as the haters who never tried it...passing judgement on it before its released. There is no difference:
Praising something you never tried OR hating something you never tried.
It all equals fanboy.
For me I have an open mind to it just like the Wand coming from SOny. Until I TRY it i will not pass judgement. Too many fanbys on this site just hate because it does not come from the console they make love to.

Hoops said it perfectly.