lol is anyone else not impressed anymore by those graphics lol i watched it again and i was like dam thats not as cool as i remember it being.

This game sounds like it's going to look amazing. I know most of it is hype but, I still have this feeling that the game will be great.

Monday is almost here,hope we get that big announcement/showing from Sony

ive got a feeling this game will be AAA. and a major PS3 seller as it will be advertised lyk crazy

PS: I need bubbles

We have some hype. :D

i cant wait for e3 in one month!!!! i hope sony announce rumble back and a few new games..and show others!! cant wait

Be interesting to see the results they get using this approach. I would think it has paid off splendedly for them and I look forward to seeing the results at E3.

I can't wait for the E3 and this conference's information about Killzone2 ><

This is very ambitious from Guerilla and it's going to have fantastic results, there going to use the cell for culling, basically they have the processing power to use this technique and have no slow down, before this technique has generated amazing graphics and detail but not run smoothly enough, killzone 2 is going to look fantastic...

"We’ll show how we utilize PS3’s SPUs for fast rendering of a large set of primitives, parallel processing of geometry and computation of indirect lighting."

The fact that they're doing massive amounts of lighting and vertex processing on the SPUs is absolutely impressive since it pretty much lets RSX focus on what it's good at. It also makes me wonder what kind of crazy polygon-counts were going to be seeing, in addition to real-time volumetrics (a la Lair and Warhawk)

@Odion

Crawl back under your rock. Have you seen Halo 3 or Forza 2 gfx? Those games are good games, but don't have very impressive gfx.

the more high rated shooter i get to play the happier i am.

I have a feeling the in game graphics are really good, but i just hope it plays well.

I am going to have one fun year with all these great games. :)

Killzone 2 better deliver after that CG they showed last year or else there are going to be a lot of upset people.

obviously sony and guerilla spent money using this rare technique to not only up the graphics level using rsx,but the lighting and anti-aliasing using Cell.other games look great with smaller teams.but 120 devs and over 20 million must be telling in some way.

i think they are preparing to show how they achieved the level of graphics and the speed at which the spes can handle it after they show killzone at E3.somehow i'm guessing 1080p at 30fps.but i could be wrong.but if they achieve 60fps in speed and have 1080p with all the possible things going on,then wow!it would even give an indication on what GT5 is going to look like.if gt4 looks that good on ps2 with upscaling and smoothing in 1080p,GT5 should be ridiculous because that's another flagship title.

and they mention that other parties can use it for not just ps3,but maybe other platforms.even 360 could benefit from what may be shown.

could E3 get here any sooner?

I'm looking forward to Killzone 2 as well as Halo 3. I just hope that they nail the gameplay for Killzone 2 or it won't be as fun as it should be. Halo 3 has the gameplay nailed down, it just need some polished graphics.

With a $40 MILLION dollar budget they better deliver. I don't even think Halo 3 has even half that budget.

In order to make a profit they will have to sell at least 2 million copies of this game. It better be good!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

http://arstechnica.com/news...

That trailer almost makes you feel like you're in a action film, Man those explosions are insane best so far I seen in a game. If that turns out to be real gameplay, crisis couldn't even touch this game.

Is that what dem Xbots do. Hmmm...

too. It'll be good to see how far they have come along.

Pretty detailed characters, enviroments and explosions. The AI and physics has to be realistic. I think with the budget they got, they can do it... I hope.

I still do not personally believe this will deliver what we all want just yet. It is a good start and is being designed with a PS3 way of thinking rather than a PC.

Building blocks is what it's all about at the moment. The good stuff will take a lot longer still but we can wait.

Afterall lets face it, the vast majority of people still have PS2's out there ffs.

(and good ole Forza 2 for me at the mo)

I highly doubt it will match the trailer, and unfortunately that's all that matters to most people. I think the game will be amazing though.

the thing i'm thinking is

if sony shows a game that surpasses that trailer,it's a done deal.people will get ps3.gamers will get ps3.360 fans will get ps3.it's would pretty much be "cg in real time."

not one mag,podcast,website,fanboy,or any analyst would have anything to say.they might try saying something like how it cost so much money and man power.but the results would pull in more animators,more artist,more programmers into making games instead of making just big budget hollywood films.

it would end the debate of how powerful the ps3 is.how programming with pc mentality will only get you so far in graphics.how learning a new way of doing things is what we all live for.

in order to achieve the e305 trailer,you need speed.also a new way of programming.or all we are going to get is just the same games with prettier graphics.

i saw lair in high definition.and i must say the amount of things onscreen is ridiculous.can't wait for E3.somehow i doubt june 11 will result in any new surprises.but we'll see.

that leads me to believe they can achieve those graphics during gameplay. at least not anytime soon. but who knows, maybe they'll pull it off. the other question is, will it actually be fun to play? gears looked great, but as soon as R6:V hit, i didn't touch it anymore.

Killzone 1

Gamespy- Terrible AI on both sides; tons of graphical glitches; lack of physics; repetitive gameplay. 3/5

IGN- Here's where it gets sticky. The AI is terrible and the scripted combat isn't very exhilarating. But then it looks and sounds so good it's often possible to get lost in the war. 7.5/10

Gamespot- Bland single-player gameplay.; weapons don't have the best feel.; tons of annoying graphics and sound problems.; anticlimactic ending 6.9/10

Eurogamer- It was inevitable that at some stage Sony would recognise the hit potential of releasing a first-person shooter to take on the might of Halo - the surprise is that it's taken fully four years of the PS2's lifespan for a first party candidate to emerge. But let's not beat around the bush here: Killzone doesn't hold a candle to any of the FPS greats despite the bewildering level of hype heaped upon it in the run up to its release. Sure, it looks great in the screenshots, but just wait until you play it. You'll soon have all the evidence you need to come to the rapid conclusion that Guerrilla's efforts occasionally crawl out of the war-torn mire, only to get crushed under the rubble of their own failings.

5/10

Now please tell me agian why your hyped for this game?

damn dj where your bubbles going? good feed back for you sir, let the trolls have their fun, most of them fail to see that the main reason GEARS was so great is because of the next gen graphics. yes i have a 360 and im about 600 kills from my seriously achivement. the story mode(if you can call it that) has no story, and it is repetitive, i need one cog tag to get my "for the fallen achivement" but i just cannot sit through the campaing mode( all i need is these two achivements). and lets not talk about glitches here since we know GEARS is still jam packed full of them. all that aside the online portion of GEARS kicks @ss....minus the little kids and their glitches. the trolls in here will always hate KILLZONE, not much one can do about it but sit back and laught at them really.

odion...you have never played KILLZONE since you dont have a review of your own so why again do you care so much about this game......please give me a legit reason to why you are even posting on this article. remember i said legit reason.....go ahead.

KILLZONE GOES 4 THE KILL

Did i say i never played this game? Cause i remember renting this game and paying the 35 dollars to rent a PS2 to just get this game to play. I had massive hopes for it considering all the commercials, and the kick ass opening scene.

Then i played it and found it while nice, completely unplayable and just "not fun", i still played through the entire game, i thought the story was cool i even gasped when General Adams betrayed Vaughton. It did erk me though that Rico acted so retardedly towards Haka for the entire game, it would have been nice to see him grow as a character.

I also was impressed with the length and pace of the story, but overall i found the game to just be average.

i would give it a 6/10

http://www.gametrailers.com...
game has amazing animation and amazing explosions + some good detailed environment and characters.

well, when you look at this trailer after haze, timesplinter - it still look impressive, but well, it`s just a nextgen, it must look(almost) that way to be AAA title. =)

the thing about gdc was sony trying to get more dev support.

show devs that sony isn't just concentrating on graphics:
*little big planet*

show devs that they are not trying to copy xbox live:
*home*

show devs that they have new tools to work with that they are giving away for free which is PS EDGE:

*demo of getaway*700+ people,50 cars,great animation,720p
*demo of killzone*not killzone itself-just the techniques they are using.
*demo of a large area with tons of floating ships flying by*

but phil said it before it was shown:THIS IS NOT KILLZONE,but have a look at our lighting and destroyable backgrounds.it's like motorstorm.motorstorm looked like a joke at e3 06.but the final game just destroys it.

i await E3.

even if it does match the trailer, it wouldn't surprise me because the games that I've seen from the '05 trailer onward, especially one I'm not so sure you've heard about called "Gears of War", that or close to that is the next progression in graphics and stuff that I'm expecting from the 360 and ps3 anyway. So I guess it works out for me. It was a lie two years ago, but with current games and games to come out before this, it makes sense now (for me anyway). This IS supposed to be next-gen after all, isn't it?

if you think that guerilla games is only going to match the trailer, you are dead wrong, they have already surpassed it, you foolish people really do believe that this level of graphics are going to put a strain on the ps3, but the truth is that these graphics are right down ps3s alley, this game will acheive a level of graphics, that are only availible on supercomputer simulators, and probably b3yond that, this game will only be the start for the ps3, dont think that killzone will be the only game that will be shown by sony at e3, there will be more that will make you fall flat on your face, pc people will look soOOOooooOOOOOOOOOooo SOoooooooooooo dumb come e3, when KILLZONE 2 is shown, all that sh1t they talked about sony and the ps3, and what it couldnt do, and how crysis was so superior to anything that ps3 has and what it will have, that will be squashed in e3.

Guerilla Games is going for a level of realism that is unfair to this generation in gamming, realism so great that when you shoot a bullet, there is a real life bullet whole left behind, not those fake unrealistic ones in games that so far have been shown, when a character is wounded the the wounds will be what you see in real life, and will not just have blood on your shirt or suit, it will continue to bleed, when an explosion happens, debris will fly from it, and hit anyone in the surrounding area, and cause wounds, and they will even bleed, the characters, when the wounds are recieved, they will react as you and i would if it happened to us in the real world, if a character has hair you will be able to see every bit of hair on the characters head, wheather it be strands of hair on a person with long hair, or a buz cut, any hair style, and it will look realistic, you think CG is pretty, you aint seen nothin yet, for those xbox fans that say that we playstation fans are waiting for this game because of a cg trailer, they are right and wrong, the reason that they are right is because, the trailer lets us further know what the ps3 is truely capable of, and that you xbox, pc, and fake tech specialist dont have a clue about what the cell, and the rsx, and blue ray are capable of, let me tell you the sad thing about what all of you pc, and xbox, and tech specialist dont understand, the cell alone can do the "CG" that you all babble about, because like it or not the cell is sony and IBMs supercomputer on a chip, its just a supercomputer in a condensed form, why else would it have 9 processors, not cores, it may be hard for many of you to fathom that there could be a supercomputer so small and for such a small price, but sony already paid the price, and are sacrificing for to sell it to us for such a good price, for those of you that say that ps3 is a rip off.

This will be the game that will finally define the ps3, not the games currently out, because they didnt have the budget high enough to access some of the ps3s power at all, you may think that motorstorm looks so great, or F1, or you may think that resistance, and even something like Virtua Fighter 5, those games look fantastic, especially in the first what 4 or 5 months of the ps3s life cycle, when considering the magnitude of the secrets that sleep within the cell, this killzone 2, although will be indescribable, will only be the beginning for the ps3, and will only arise greatly more and more from that point on, if you think that the killzone 2 trailer was great, it wont dread water on the game of the killzone 2 that sony and guerilla has prepared for e3, i will let you know i am very confident that they had surpassed the trailer about 2 months ago, and those of you that think the game wont look like or better than the trailer because of the GDC behind the scenes "TECH DEMO", not game shown by "SONY", not Guerilla Games as a demonstration of "EDGE TOOLS", then you are in for a big dissapointment if you are speculating that the GDC tech demo looks like what the real game build was at at that very time, if you know about the industry, you would know that although sony basically owns guerilla games, they cannot show their product without their presence, for the presentation, that is why, there is no way in the world that that was the real game, also it was edge tools, that is not the engine whatsoever, but the thing that is so impressive is that altough the edge tools presentation, and representation wasnt at the level of the killzone trailer, i have heard not one witness that has seen it say that it looked not as good as gears of war, or crysis, and that is the GOD honest truth, i have heard many say that the tech demo of the physics engine looked as good or better than metal gear 4, that is quite scary considering that metal gear looks CG level, and its only a tech demo of physics, if the physics tech demo looked that good, then i can only fear how amazing the true game looks, not to mention that guerilla games didnt make the presentation, and also it was stated that the physics engine showed some truely amazing things, like bullets ripping through walls, that is already something that wasnt in the trailer, and they said there were multiple people on screen, this tech demo shows nothing but pure power comming from ps3 when money of the right amount is pourn into ps3 developement, just like so many tech demos that showed what ps3 was capable of when ps3 was in prototype form, and cell nor rsx were not even finalized, i mean imagine if some of these things from these tech demos were implied to killzone 2:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=...

just imagine faces like that on every character in killzone 2, and now with the budget and the manpower and time that the developement of the killzone 2 title has, this is possible

then imagine all those ducks in a tub, that can be done for a different aspect in a game, instead of ducks those could be a bunch of little creature crawling outta something, and with that amount of detail

not to metion that tech demo of the growing rpg world, what if at one point in a game you stepped into nothing, and then all of a sudden all that happened in that trailer happened when you stepped into that nothing, but with about 4 times more realism

not to mention all those characters in that Getaway Tech demo

Then what if some things from this were added into the game:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=...

imagine if an explosion happened, then all these physics happened all at once, like trees getting blown down and swirling around in that way, but the realism in the game all at the same time

next this:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=...

just if by any chance someone in the game was crying then we already know that the ps3 can render extremely realistic tears, and we know from this that at an instant the ps3 can make it where the enviornmental weather change very quickly, but in killzone 2 it would be very much more realistic

next what if this was added:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=...

this is a later more developed version of the earlier trailer that i posted, but it is more in depth, and explains how at an instant the cell enables the ps3 to at an instant place hundreds even thousands of people on screen all rendered at the famous "CG" level that i keep telling you that the cell can do alone, but you just wont listen

next:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=...

from this we all no what air combat can be like in killzone, and another example of how i know that the cell can do cg

here you go:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=...

just another example that the ps3 can do cg, and also this was when ps3 wasnt near completion

another:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=...

a bunch of stuff, but examples of what could be emplemented into killzone, but just with even more graphic realism than even more than these trailers

Now all of you skeptics, 180 fans, pc fans, fake tech specialists and so on that make all these comments that talk down on ps3, if you still believe that pig sh1t you speak, then that is up to you, but i post and speak only what i know what the ps3 is capable of, because i have seen some of it, not to mention much of this was on prototype ps3 hardware, the only reason that many games didnt acheive the level of realism shown in some of these videos, is because the amount of money, and man power, and time, were not availible, but this aint the case with killzone, you state the same garbage that motorstorm didnt meet the target render so killzone wont either, but you are missing some key aspects:

1.The game was extremely rushed

2.The budget couldnt have been more than 5 mil

3.RSX was the only thing used for motorstorm(still achieved a great level of realism, for those of you that say RSX is weak), not to mention that edge tools werent availible for developers

4.Man power, the developement team was super small for this game, at least to make a game with movie graphics, that is why killzone has 120 movie developers, very skilled to make killzone, notice i said movie, these graphics are cg level, but sony and guerilla games are going to surpass the trailer

5.Little knowledge of ps3, and supercomputer development, not many developers no how to develope for supercomputers, the only thing that supercomputers are used for in gamming machines before ps3, was for cutscenes, but the developers themselves did not do the cutscenes alone, there is a process to make the cutscene

-first the developers thereselves write and draw a script for the movie
-then after all of that writing and drawing is done, then the game developement is done the game is sent over to the movie developers, they read over all the script, and all the artworks, then they make a bunch of scenes based on the script, that is all copied to the disk, dvd or whatever the game is made on, but with sonys genious idea to include blue ray everything and a super computer in the ps3 itself, the development for ps3 is much easier, well when making a game on the graphics scale of killzone, that is why i say that the games that are out right now and that have been shown, even Lair and Heavenly Sword, althought they rival CG, they are not the games that are in ps3s true ball park, they are still not tickling ps3, and killzone will only be the true starting point of ps3, ps3 didnt start with launch, it starts at e3.

Feel free to judge ps3 for the here and now, yes the games look good on ps3 for this point and time, but if you think that you have a shadow of what the ps3 is capable in graphics in your mind you are far out in right field, judging the games currently out and shown you outta still be able to easily tell that killzone is easily possible on the ps3, especially since, like i said no game has had a budget hight enough to truely access the ps3, and the games still look amazing, but you will be cut down getting in ps3s path, if you are on the opposing end that is, but i can only say i told you so.

I like many other will be completely blown away by killzone, even though i am already knowing that it has surpassed the trailer, many when they see the game, especially all those that hype crysis up so much, will believe that this game has got to be CG, there is no way that it can or ever will be realtime, it will be worse than the first time that Sony and Guerilla Games showed the game, but oh wait there is a controller in the representatives hand, but hey we have worned you, this game will silence everyone that doubted ps3, with all of their fake tech explanations, also this will be the turn in the next gen war that many dont see comming, i can guarantee that, you and me are in a big suprise, wheather your for ps3 or not, it will shatter all former speculation about pc superiority, and so called limitations of ps3, but hey i will have worned you all, you didnt listen, so it will hurt you worst than reward me, since you were so determined to make your post seem so realistic and sound true to the visitors of these blogs, where will your blog stand when the game is shown, and shatters all of your dreams, but dont get to comfortable, this will not be the only ps3 game that will blow everyone away, they have more prepared, youll see it

To be honest, it won't make a difference for me if guerilla can't match the E3 05 trailer as long as it comes close to it and at least they deliver next-gen graphics. Don't get me wrong, I'm a sucker for graphics but it won't mean anything if I get bored with the game in an hour. Here's hoping that with this engine, they can deliver a really impressive gameplay with a lot of things going in the screen at once. That's what I liked about Resistance so hopefully Guerilla can outdo Insomniac in every aspect considering the budget they had for this game.

You will never see CG quality graphics out of the PS3. The 360 and the PS3 are about equal in power. You cannot buy a Supercomputer for $600 dollars. You can buy a really good one for about $6000 though.

Now to move on, do you really think they used a PS3 to render films like Spiderman 3? Seeing as how the budget was about $400 million. I have never in my life been so amused. Its all marketing propoganda. To make something like Spiderman 3 takes the power of 100s of high end computers, and probably 10 times the staff it takes to make a game. Just to buy the art programs to illustrate things like that cost more than the PS3.

The progression in games that you will see in the PS3 will be no different than what you saw in the PS2. Don't get me wrong you will definately see an improvement over the years.....but to buy into this hype is just pathetic.

The PC market today has already far surpassed both the 360 and the PS3 as far as technology goes. Even besides that the processors in both the 360 and the PS3 are both generic stripped versions of their PC counterparts. Yes even the almighty cell in the PS3 is not as powerful as the one they will use in PCs.

You should go by what you have seen and over time it will progress and get marginally better. If you honestly think you can buy an SGI workstation for $600 dollars, then you are either gullible or an idiot.

Those are the facts people. You won't see the PS3 being used for NASA, you won't see it being used to generate motion picture like CG ingame. What you will see it do is play games. You should go by what you have seen already.....and not what you have been promised.

man are you bloodmask the only idiot that speaks that pigsh1t, i mean i dont even understand how kevin gets all of his bubbles taken away, and you are having like 7 bubbles, and you are one more idiot that really truely believe that the ps3 and te 360 are equal, but you may be right they may be equal, because the 360 comes out in 2010, remember what you have said and rember that there is no turning back on what you said, it is really sad how your post will look come e3, i really feel sad for you, you are going to really feel dumb e3, and you know one sad thing spiderman cost that much or are you one digit to high, that movie wasnt anywhere near entirely cg, and its not sg its cg, where did you go to school at, pcs have surpassed what 180 and wii, believe that they have surpassed ps3, but the only real thing that they have surpassed the ps3 in is weight, the progression will be just as ps2s, well that has already been proven a lie on your behalf, because you see my friend the ps3s graphics have gone from resistance to haze, and you will see an unimaginable gap with killzone, any one of you can believe that hogsh1t that this ingrate says, but that wont change the fact of the truth that kevin said, and anyways, what proof and facts and evidence does bloodmask have? None but incorrect spelling, he knows nothing of what he speaks, if he is so correct about what he says, then why in the world does he post right behind everything that me or kevin post, and with little of anything, nothing but that same p1g sh1t, watch even more as that p1gsh1t that he post is ripped to shreds as the ps3s life cycle goes on, and also that the really sad shamefull thing about you blood mask, is that you not only post behind us, but you seem so desperate to act upon the post that either one of us post, and you try to counter anything that either of us said, but you dont realise that we have already reinforced what you have tried to counter with, so sad, you feeble minded child, as i have said you fake teck specialists such as yourself, always post that same p1gsh1t with the sony lied thing, you and many others have found out that this time, atleast with the visuals that sony didnt lie at all this time, but you will continue to post that pig sh1t that you love to post, and will look SOOOOOOooooooo SooooooooOOOO stupid as you already do, when killzone is shown, i mean how many times will you continue to post that pig sh1t, 180 is surely not equal to ps3, let alone the 360 comming in 2010, but if they were equal, then how in the world did gears max out the 180, i am pretty sure that it wouldnt be far from maxing out the 360, you expect them to run the games comming for ps3, ha so much for your post, you and the rest of those that are against the ps3, WILL look dumb when the things that us that know what we are talking about, when all of what we have said comes more into fruition, but you will still say that same pig sh1t that you always say in that 3 or 4 paragraph nothing that you always post, that is saying nothing of nothing, but who knows, i already know you do meth so it dont bother me about you and your pigsh1t comments, they wont mean didly in bout a month come e3, you are basically trapped in the time before ps3 was announced, thinking that the ps3 and the 180 or 360 are equal, and that pc is superior, and that sony lied, that lame lame excuse that so many pc and 180 or 360 fans use, that is so sad, there are about 1000 sites that you all say the same things, and the sad thing is that you dont know that those comments that you state are holding the future of the next gen war within them, because when people read these post, they are looking for the things that you say to be true, you say that the ps3 will never have SGI or really CGI graphics, but it already has had that in its early lifecycle and in tech demos, so that is already one thing that you need to really drop from your rediculous post, that pigsh1t that you post is amazing, and shows that you smoke weed, but hey who can blame you it is hard to fathom what is to come, you make up wack pish1t excuses that you are hopping that they will affect the outcome of something, you are praying that you are right, and that killzone doesnt look good, but hey, God answers prayer, just keep on posting that lizard c0ck that you always post til e3 and look stupid, and as i have said man will yall look Stuuuuuuuuuuuuuuupid Duuuuuuuuuumb and Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetarded, i just cant wait, you might as well have a knife waiting at your side when they show e3, cause i can guarantee you are going to need it, but hey please send me the pictures, i cant wait to see the look on your face when you see the games that sony will show, including killzone, but happy e3 to you and all those that oppose ps3 and those that are on ps3s side

Besides physics, AI (which kinda lacked in Killzone 1) and graphics. And of course, the most important part is gameplay. If it's not fun, it could have the best engine ever for everything, and still be underwhelming. Come on Sony, don't blow it again.

this is the worst thing about fanboys - instead of talking about the killzone rendering engine we end up arguing about halo vs killzone for the fiftieth billionth time.

this story is about the killzone rendering engine - it doesn't say anything about how wonderful the engine is nor does it say anything about how good the game is (so it is not a threat to an xbox fans). the article is only saying how non-traditional this method is. IT'S A TECHNOLOGICAL DISCUSSION.

if you are really interested in gaming then you should be interested in this atypical approach to rendering. it doesn't say anything about how wonderful killzone is so no need to be so threatened. surely as a hardcore gamer you must be curious about this novel approach.

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EDIT:

Taken from a discussion in 2004 GDC http://www.talula.demon.co....

Deferred Shading Advantages:

•Excellent batching
•Rendereach triangle exactly once
•Shade each visible pixel exactly once
•Easy to add new types of lightingshader
•Other kinds of postprocessing (blur, heathaze) are just special lights, and fit neatly into the existing framework

The Dark Side

•Alpha blending is a nightmare!
•Framebuffer bandwidth can easily get out of hand
•Can’t take advantage of hardware multisampling
•Forces a single lighting model across the entire scene(everything has to be 100% per-pixel)•Not a good approach for older hardware
•But will be increasingly attractive in the future…

Notice the last dark point is quite interesting since it seems this rendering approach is hypothetically well suited for nextgen (xbox and ps3) systems. So you see this new approach is quite interesting - whether it actually works we will have to wait and see. So no flaming please.

further discussions:

http://www.gamedev.net/comm...

http://www.beyond3d.com/con...

excerpt:

Conclusions

Deferred Lighting is now possible in hardware on the latest video cards, it has an own unique advantages and disadvantages and while in many cases the disadvantage out way the advantages on current hardware in the right situations it can outperform and look better than conventional per-pixel lighting. In situations with complex procedural shaders with many lights and shadows, the saving can be massive this is even truer in densely occluded environments. The same techniques used to accelerate objects (batching etc) can be used to accelerate lights, and if a light isn’t visible its cost is very low.

In the long term the occlusion and geometric properties of deferred lighting are its most interesting factors, no other technique allows you to render so many lights affecting a single surface without crippling performance, with deferred lighting it scales much better.

are you a developer?, I would rather believe DEVELOPERS than the sh!t you just posted and most favour the PS3.

Ps3 users will begin the fight in KILLZONE..

and 360 users will finish their fight in HALO3 ..

its just the begining.. for sure SONY will teach other devs to take advantage of cell ( it was made for process GRAPHIC and other ordinary cpu stuff ) like KILLZONE.. and then KILLZONE 3 . new ideas and new triks to using cell more..

good luck.. I want to see sth impressive Guerrilla , dont dissapoint us. not impressive , want to see sth UN BELIEVABLE ..

Although I seriosuly doubt it'll live up to the hype. You never know though...

It will of taken over 3 + years for this game to be developed from start to finish, going on 4 yrs. when all is said and done, still it may not even be that good, here's hopes that it is, but the thing is....do you want to wait this long everytime sony and company try to put out a good game for the ps3? To get around the ps3's problematic cell and rsx division the devs are having to take twice as long to do an average game, average as first person shooters go anyways, but yes, KZ2 should be great when there finished and I hope it is, but seriously, this may be the one and only like this that comes out for the ps3 since development time is sooooo slow.

That's gotta suck for you all. Sony needs to figure something out if they dont want a bunch of pissed fans.

p.s. thanks for taking bubbles away for nothing. Sad people.

IGN has just posted on their relases date web site that Killzone is slated for February 2008, changed from TBA.

Sony really does need another mainline shooter franchise. They pretty much gave up after the PS3 generation, and I'm really surprised they haven't tried at another high-profile, singleplayer-centric shooter; even if it weren't Killzone or Resistance.

I miss Killzone while I can see why they still do Horizon has some really good things but I do think that Horizon is overrated imo.

Or how about studios focus on projects that they feel passionate about, and not be forced to make something they have little interest in. It shows in the final product.

It’s still got potential for the modern era. The DNA is all there. The install base is there. The interest is there. The time is now.

Killzone 2 and 3 were farkin brilliant and way better than halo

Too bad they've abandoned em smh, then theres sony barely even acknowledging what us fans want. Every time they sale a certain high amount it get like that with them smh

Because Killzone games are awesome, that's the reason.

New ip after 3'rd horizon please 🙏

Give it to Bungie. The Helghast are awesome enemies and Bungie could make something really cool

not enough interest to keep it alive

I’m beating a dead horse here… but Resisitance FOM gun lay out was so fun, multiplayer was one of my top favorite experiences. Insomniac nailed it and I would love a remaster and maybe a redo with Reisistance 2. They listens to players who were wanting a Halo killer and it kind of lost its character from the first.

Warhawk, if they had just remade the first one not Starhawk which offered nice things like the build and battle.. but Warhawk was the best arcade shooter I ever played. Back when you didn’t have battle passes and you actually had to get certain amount of kills or ribbons to unlock different paint skins on the Warhawks and armor for your player.. Look at the success of Helldivers 2, it’s a fun game and it reminds me of Warhawk in a way. I’ve been wanting a remake or sequel since the beginning of the ps4 gen.. it’s hurts to have hope nowadays. Even with the demise of the studios Sony has a steady fan base.

Killzone game after Killzone 2 play style would be nice

Motorstorm would be epic with the visual upgrade, maybe this game would be a harder sell with the genre being not as popular nowadays..

Resistance franchise, Motorstorm and Dirt 2 which was fun as heck. Add Dead Space 2 as well.

I quickly looked and only saw the words PS5 Remaster and a picture of Fall of Mans logo

Ahhhh shit, well maybe one day

Resistance 1-3 remastered with online

Kill zone 1-3 remastered with online

God of war PS3 games and PSP games collection

Infamous 1-2 with all dlc please we need this. It’s such an underrated franchise and so much potential. In this age of super hero media craze Sony should utilize infamous

White knight chronicles 1-2

Warhawk and starhawk

Motorstorm series

MGS4

Easy money would be to remake Resistance and Killzone series, rather than just a remaster. And PS5 desperately needs some couch co-op shooters so this would scratch that itch.

Infamous 1+2 and KZ 2+3

Deus Ex Human Revolution

GTA IV needs one.
Still stuck on PS3 and 360.

PS3 ended up been a beast of a console, slow out of the gate, picked up steam, smashed through the finish line. The 1st PS3 slim is still one of my favourite consoles. So solid, great games, by the time GTA5 and the last of us had come out it was a clear winner for me

Nice to see that they included Pupetteer in this list.

"PS3 may not have been the strongest generation"

Meanwhile...just looking at exclusives alone and not even third party titles

Uncharted was born
Demon's Souls was born
Metal Gear Solid 4
God of War 3
The Last of Us was born
Little Big Planet was born
Warhawk
Killzone 2 and 3
Infamous was born
Resistance was born
Motorstorm was born
Gran Turismo
Heavy Rain
Journey
Shadow of the Colossus returned paving the way for the remake in the PS4 generation
PS Plus was born

Sorry bud, but the PS3 generation was amazing and featured the greatest console comeback in history.

That said, I'd love it if Warhawk returned or Metal Gear Solid 4. It needs to not be shackled to the PS3 generation anymore. A Killzone 2 remake would be insane with modern graphics and that art direction.

I really miss this gen of gaming. It felt like the last truly "great" era for videogames before the modern approach really took hold.

The PS3 was such a glorious console. The UI, the games, the free online...just incredible.

Add Mag to that list.

I would pay good money for a Warhawk remake. Socom too. The last Socom game just didn’t do it justice. Folklore could use a remaster or remake as well.
Several other titles I would like to remade with the amount of visual fidelity the current gen has over the past consoles it could help articulate the games that we’ve loved growing up. I would love even some ps2 titles to remade.. Dark Cloud from ps2, Legacy of Kain series but don’t know what will come of it sense it was bought by Embracer group and all there layoffs.

This strategy is exactly what helped ruin Xbox. Sony more than Microsoft know when to let a franchise go and that is important to keep things fresh. The old games are there if you want to play them.

Resistance series and Killzone 2 & 3 remasters/remakes. Make it happen. They will print money.

FF13 is top of this list for me. No matter your opinion on it, it being the only numbered offline FF out of all 16 not to be on new consoles is odd. GTA IV would be great too

The only reason my PS3 is still connected is because of the Resistance, Heavenly Sword, Motorstorm games that I still love to play. I am for remaking or remastering them.

Would absolutely love a remastered collection of the resistance games

Resistance 1-3 and Killzone 1-3 too. Folklore and 3 Dot Heroes are underrated gems.

Why remaster games that ps5 players can't access when you can remaster a 4 year old game like tlou2 that was already patched with ps5 improvements

Would love a remake of the first Resistance game and also Tools of Destruction.

A gem of a gen, imo! So much IP to pluck.

Infamous 1&2 will sadly always be ignored by Sony, not even a ps4 remaster the whole gen, smh but uncharted, horizon, even days gone had next gen upgrades sheesh 🤦🏽 mane even tho Sony is still doing pretty good in the console business they are a lil big headed lol, I never played the resistance series but it would of been dope to see those games updated as well, we fans get lil surprises here n there but things we really are into having and being vocal about gets passed over like a mf 🤣😩

Remasters are a waste of time and developer resources. Real Devs make new games.

God I would live a Killzone or Resistance collection. Really hoping for a new one in either franchise down the line, loved both series.

I’d say new sequels instead.

Got be resistance /prototype as well

How much prefer the killzone universe to that of Horizon's.

Killzone again pls 🥺

Gratz Guerilla, amazing Studio and engine, love Decima!

I was never a huge fan of Killzone, but thoroughly enjoy Horizon. Guerrilla are superb developer and easily up there with the best of the best.

Need a killzone 2 remake from the ground up.

One of the most creative studios out. I hope they keep it up.

Great studio, loved the Killzone series, I wish they would do a remake of the first three games. Horizon is a real step up and truly put Guerrilla Games on the map.

Too bad I never got a chance to play Shellshock: Nam’67 would have loved to try that game out back in the days to see what were their beginnings.

Bring back killzone (maybe in 3rd person perspective)

It would fantastic to see what they could do in Killzone after the lessons learned through Horizon.

Or heck, give us even a short linear FPS from the people who designed Cauldron THETA in the Burning Shores expansion. Even just flying into it (after gliding around and finding its opening amongst the lava and Sunwings perched around it, with other bigger machines just along the path toward it) was an incredible experience.

Great work until now. Keep on this path

Hope they get the opportunity to create a new IP this gen as well.

Forbidden West is awesome, It’s pretty damn big compared to Zero Dawn and it takes a little while to get your skills up and get the equipment you need to fully explore the game (not going to spoil it) but once you do those things and start fighting the big ass machines it really is amazing. Some cool side quests to where you hold the fate of peoples lives by your choice and the cauldrons look amazing. Lots of skills , combos, special moves and add ons for your weapons so you can approach fights many ways. Looking forward to the name game but I wonder how/if Silas will be a part of it or not ? Sad he’s gone.

Killzone games weren’t the best shooters but damn did they look purty!!!!

Killzone 2 remade with the multiplayer

20 years of mid-tier games and they are trending down.

I'm hyped for whenever Horizon 3 releases but Killzone 1 needs a remake BAD and 2 & 3 need remasters. Criminal those games are stuck on PS3.

Hold up

Horizon: Zero Dawn sold 24.3 million
The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild sold 29.81 million

With the way journalists have been consistently saying BotW overshadowed Horizon you’d think the gap between an entry in a new IP and a longrunning one would be bigger Even if you want to include however much the Wii U version of BotW did, both series still did impressive numbers

I never want to hear that Horizon is an overlooked franchise ever again

i really loved the atmosphere and idea of killzone. i hope they revisit it at some point because it always had so much potential.

Bring Back Killzone please or at least a KZ2 remake with MP.