ZombieAutopsy - I agree with you, but it's "should have", not "should of".

We say it "should of" in spoken word though, so I understand. : )

I feel sorry for the millions MS has tricked into believing Halo is some sort of Mecca for FPSs when in reality it is a very normal, average gaming experience.

Brink is not Killzone 2 and sure not like Killzone and won't even close to killzone.

I think, with the benefit of hindsight(as at the time I was livid and still get that way when people continue to cry about the controls not being like Halo or COD), that people really should have just either tried the controls for longer or just conceded that they prefer other games-it's something we all come across, isn't it, a game that just isn't really for us. But instead the controls were "broken" and "retarded" and "slow" to these people and GG, foolishly issued a patch that watered the weighty, skill requiring controls down(if you wished)and lost a lot of what made KZ2 a more hardcore game and more individual as an experience.

I guess there's a thing among gamers(witness the clamour for remakes of FF7, OoT or the fact we buy practically the same game every year in franchises like COD, FIFA or Maddens)that we really want more of th same-who could honestly say Halo has been moved forward a great deal since CE? It's now time for us to embrace the fact that not every game will be for us and leave them for those that enjoy them the way they are. If you don't like the controls, fine, don't play it. If it isn't for you move on-play something that is but don't continue the trend towards homogenising every game into a generic, samey experience. There's room for way more in the FPS world than Halo and COD and the aim assisted pick up and play squad. I love Halo but I also loved the Killzone2 beta and Warhawk and Socom-games with a longer learning curve. We NEED different games and making FF change what made KZ2 great and different was weak, sad and an indication of a strange desire to learn nothing new and a lack of patience. Seriously, there are other games they could have played without trying to wreck KZ2.

Warhawk had a steep learning curve to be king of the skies. I can kill anybody now 1 on 2. 1 on 3 gets trickier though. More than 4 is a hit and hide unless they suck then it's a killing spree.

Theres a control layout that they brought a month after the game released that is alot like CoD.

As so many have already said there is a COD style control layout!!

Also stop complaining about it being slow just because COD is unrealistically fast! You're wearing heavy armour and carrying a heavy gun, you're not going to be running aroung like a 100m sprinter!

My friend was playing it and he was using the sniper and he was trying to just aim with the joysticks. I told him to use the sixaxis, He didn't say it out loud but I could see him thinking "OMFG!" just from his facial expression. I've seen that "OMFG" face more from people playing KZ2 than any other game this gen.

Your the one that thinks the word cliche means glitches??? LMAO... Man, that was the best laugh I had on here. Thanks buddy. :) Everybody check out the link he posted and have yourself a good laugh.

BTW, your reply to my comment on your link was an epic fail.

Are you that much of a loser to be wasting your time making childish remarks about ps3 games? Tell me have you ever played kz2? How could you possibly assume kz2 sucks? BTW how is it that you still have 5 bubbles? GTFO Troll! Killzone 2 was a great game

he rates npd over real games so let him be.

if it acts like a juvenile and makes comments like a juvenile.....its a juvenille and will be treated like one. You've not played the game so PLEASE STFU with a halo cherry on top:)

You guys can go ahead and throw your juvenile name calling. I understand that you can't take constructive criticism. The fact remains that this game was hyped to sell at the level of Halo, Gears, and MW numbers and it didn't. It sold at an average rate. 2 million sold is about right for your average shooter. So tell me??? Why didn't it sell well??? I'll tell you, because it's just not that good. The control is plain and simple... AWFUL. The majority of people that purchased the game complain about it and forced GG to release a patch to try to correct the problem. In the end, it just didn't reach the hype. Hell, it didn't even get a nominee for GOTY from VGA awards. That says volumes right there. I understand sony fanboys won't be able to comprehend this but the facts are all there. Continue with your name calling. That's all your good for.

Goodnight all. :)

no auto-aim, what were they thinking?

Also if KZ2 dropped in say November, I bet it would get talk. It's just been so long since it did drop.

"It sold at an average rate. 2 million sold is about right for your average shooter"

what other average shooter sells 2 mil? 2 mil is a fair ammount tbh

We get the fact you don't like the game. That's all fine and dandy, ok? So don't get pissed off when you come into an article with the sole purpose of trolling it, and you receive a bunch of flak from everyone else who actually DOES enjoy the game and have come to enjoy a worthwhile article for once around this place. I'm sorry you can't grasp the fact that this game doesn't have auto-aim, along with every other person who came along expecting more of the same arcade-like, aim-assist action that Call of Duty has to offer. Unfortunately, GG fell victim to the complaints because people are too lazy to adjust to anything different.

By the way, hiding trolling behind the guise of "constructive criticism" isn't fooling anyone -- especially because you seem to have no idea what that term even means, based off your extremely disparaging remarks and animosity towards the title.

Jesus christ, dude.

Your retort was to spout sales? And you throw out the gray/space marine cliche? I think Gears and Killzone have proven there' some mileage left for the space marine genre that doom can't back up. And sales number don't make a game great. Halo 2 sucked (3 was definitely better, MP much more like the original). But Gears on the other hand, total kickass. I wish you wouldn't sully such a fun game by bringing it up in a completely unrelated KZ article.

I seem to remember Halo 2 and 3 having explosive barrels as well. The distinctive look of the Helgasts are indeed iconic and memorable. I do however agree that most weapons are standard fair, but the same can be said about Halo 3 weapons with the exception of a few. As I recall Halo 2 and 3's endings are pretty lackluster as well. So please enlighten me as to why you feel Killzone 2 is any less of a great experience as Halo 3?

Maybe my eyes are playing tricks on me but did he say that 2 million sales is about right for an average shooter? Is he serious? Since when is 2 million copies sold not a large number? I understand you don't like the game but at least try to stay with some kind of logic...

Your trolling knows no bounds, does it?

you're a stupid troll and does not even belong in this article! this is an article about what KZ2 does right but you're trolling saying it sucks here and there and then spewing about sales and then Halo? go away TROLL! the open zone is welcoming your kind with open arms! welcome to my ignore list! I'm sick of you trolling in here on everything PS3 related all day long! you enjoy your Halo3? fine, but don't come in here trying to spoil the fun other people is having with other games not halo! I'm not into halo from the beginning (bought Halo CE for PC but never bothered to finish it!) but I respect those who do! how about you doing the same? I guess that's pointless because you're too hardcore of a troll you won't understand!

MLG pro is really pushing his one man crusade against a game he hasn't played at all-why, fella, why? does it threaten you in some way? Do you think all games should be like Halo? And as for enemies that seem designed by children, are you serious? Mush of the criticism of Halo is a fair dig at the crayola coloured pixies you fight in those games, is it not? Conversely, the Helghast have one overarching aesthetic designed to show them as space bound Bazis. It's a clever way of making us feel at ease when we shoot so damn many andthe different classes are as varied to look at as they were in the 3rd Reich. In fact I'd argue that the light and shade, and ambiguity over who's actually the bad guys is leagues ahead of any narrative device in pretty much any shooter ever made-let alone Halo which is based on some of the worst novels I've ever read. Great game series Halo, no doubt, and I've enjoyed every game but KZ2 is more grown up on every level that you want to criticise it over-that isn't "construstive criticism" of any kind but mindless and ill thought out troll gibberish that actually shows you up a great deal.

You don't like it? Fine, don't play it. It's just a very different shooter to the one you put on a pedestal. One that's built way more on a believable concept than Halo and one with a very much higher emphasis on skill over pick up and play. There's nothing wrong with either approach and imagine what you'd think if it were a Halo clone?

Seriously, you don't like the game, fair enough. But not accepting that other people actually do like it is beyond denial and borders on an obsession given how often you feel the need to criticise a game you haven't even got much experience of. Killzone2 was fine before the moaners got their way and FF will learn their lesson and make KZ3 an even better game than this was and not bend to people who were always killing time between COD episodes next time out.

Finally, why is someone saying they enjoy a game that you clearly don't(and haven't tried to even understand)them being fanboys? There's no concept of taste in your mind? Anything that you don't like is classed as crap and that's just supposed to be taken as a fact? You're going to have to accept that, amazingly, some people prefer KZ2 to Halo(I know! Shocking innit!)and some, like myself, can see the genius of both(even if those bovels leave me very, very puzzled and cold-but whatever floats your boat I guess and it's not for me to pi55 on anyone's literary chips-like it isn't for you to do the same from an ill informed position about games)and, indeed, that gaming is better and richer for the variety they offer.

Sheesh, why bother? EVERY Killzone2 article gets a few of these daft trolling attempts-more than pretty much any other game-and why? Because some people didn't like the controls? Because some people who haven't played it don't like others enjoying it? I'm lost, honestly, to explain it all.

@ Halo

"constructive criticism"

i didn't see any...

He was always a troll. In the beginning, he was a 'stealth' troll (I can't stand them), but not he's just blatant. I don't know why he still has 5 bubbles. Just bubble him down. You should see his moronic GT5 comment. It's just that hilarious. You'll finally realize he's really a 7 year old using his dad's computer.

"wasn't a fanboy before I came into this site. The silly and rabid sony fanboys have created the fanboy in me. And now I'll have me some fun at your expense. :)"

HAHAHAHAHA...had to laugh.

"[W]as...[always] a fanboy before I came to this site..."

Fixed!!

Your funny Halo. You talk about cliches yet you fail to see the fact that HALO is just as bad as Killzone2 with Cliche only difference is that Killzone2 actually was better then its target render. You claim Killzone2 is all gray and dark, yet I'm sure you never even read up on the story line and know that Helgan is a very rough dark industrial planet where people were killed being exposed to the atmosphere? Wait that is right you are used to Halo where everything is Bright shinny and the world revolves around Master Chief.

So back to the Spike VGAs. I find it funny that you bring up How Killzone2 didn't get a GOTY nomination, but no xbox360 exclusive was nominated either? Wait that's right Uncharted 2: Among Thieves was nominated. Killzone 2 was nominated for Best Graphics yet once again no xbox360 exclusive was nominated for that category? Then the sales game. So just because a game doesn't sell 10mil its first month doesn't mean it is a flop/failure/etc. The difference between a flop/failure and success is that the Devs have installed their skill and their ability to develop a game into people and that happens with all the people calling for more of their games. Yes Halo is overrated but it is far from a flop cause of its following.

For everyone else just Zap his bubbles so we only have to worry about 1 of his fanboyish comments a day.

lol @ avatar and username of this guy...

You talk about cliches regarding Killzone and totally ignore Halo's cliches and outright robbery of multiple characters?

Hey, I always liked the first Halo BETER compared to the first Killzone. It was just cleanly done, and was unmatched for a New IP except when Gears/Resistance came out for me. I can tell you just about every rip-off from either Killzone or Halo; but Halo transgresses that FAR more than Killzone.

- Ripped of the soldier design of Doom and/or Quake

- Bungie gave Chief a "last of the breed" legacy like the jedi.

- Space Marines from Aliens (especially "sarge/Apone")

- Elites are a combination of H.R. Giger's Aliens and the Predator; but the predator's mouth (and wristblade) are on their bodies... the whole "honor" value system sounds blatantly Klingon.

- The Halo was from the Ringworld (ultimately from Freeman Dyson)

- The covenant was basically a knock-off of The Dominion from Star Trek: Deep Space Nine

- They were in a "forgotten civilization" from countless sci-fi movies (planet of the apes, just to give the point). Those stories, even as well told as Halo was, comes off as clunky and cliche as can be at times... although I do love the story overall for the Halo series.

- Halo 3's multiplayer seems to emulate Quake 3's multiplayer; especially the man-cannon; actually, Unreal 3's multiplayer is almost up to par with Halo 3 except they really dropped the ball when it came to inner structure level design on VCTF.

- You have the nerve saying that Killzone doesn't have "personality" when it can be equally argued that Halo's ultra-sterile battle environments that never fully break down in any meaningful way can be the generic back-drop to almost any space shooter out there Quake (esp a II remake), Doom, Star Wars, Star Trek, ect. Just save it, son; it's not worth arguing about it.

Do I still love Halo and Killzone? YES, but to say one is a cliche while the other revels in cliches is laughable.

So now 2 million copies sold is considered average?

Wow you really do run out of excuses. You're on my ignore list, I'm wasting my time reading your trolling as you sound like a retarded donkey who received too much banging from Bill Gates :|

Shouldn't you be playing Halo 3 instead of constant PS3 trolling? You know... you "pro" ROFL!!

killing everyone in the last level wit a knife, not that bad a decision on easy he was also probobly going for knife kill trophy

try killing radec with a knife on elite then well talk

A 360/halo fanboy bashing KZ2... BIG SURPRISE!!!

hehe, you always striked me as a skilled gamer piratethom. Killzone2 did have autoaim though, after one of the early patches is was as noticeable as CoD.

One of the few games I bothered to get platinum it was just that good.

BUT...IMO I felt like MW and MW2 were a collection of huge, over-the-top set pieces held together by a modest plot. Although KZ2 didn't have the Hollywood, summer blockbuster feel to the set pieces...they WERE more cohesive (IMO) than MW2 or MW. I'm a Killzone on the PS2 holdover, so I can relate the previous story high points to the war that is currently waging on Helgan. That helps the immersion factor and the story progression. I liked all 3 of the games...but fell in love with the feel of KZ! That and Battlefield Bad Company are my "unsung" heroes!!!

I don't share your opinion..And i don't see how this game is the 'underdog.' Some people prefer a modern military storyline, some people prefer futuristic and sci-fi.

I think the story and immersion of Killzone2 was a lot better than MW2. MW2 was completely run of the mill shooter to me, felt just like the first one's campaign, which i didn't like, i didn't care what was going on really. I mean what is the story? Russia attacks the US... how original... The loading screens in cod to tell the story is the absolute worst way you can tell a story.

Killzone 2 has a very strong background to it all, about how the hellghan were originally human, but changed because they had to adapt to the harshness their planet - but stayed because of the vast resources it had, and eventually were changed enough to consider themselves a different race, and they thought a superior race. I really wish KZ2 would have covered more of this stuff.

Killzone 2 had lots of swearing yea, but to me that made it all the more believable. Yea Rico was macho and angry maybe you could stereotype him but you're there to kick some ass and win the war, not take a bunch of prisoners. I can't remember a single COD character..that's not memorable to me.

MW2 doesn't use great action music to help create a sense of war and excitement, the AI isn't as good. Cover system is better than no cover at all, because you get cheap-shoted trying to figure out if they can actually shoot you.

MW2 is not more impressive and memorable to me KZ2 was far more on those two categories. I do think CoD has better multiplayer, but that's to say Killzone 2's multiplayer is bad, it's unique and it can be a lot of fun.

GG deserves a lot of credit for KZ2. They made an outstanding game, I know most COD fans don't like it as much - but they pushed the limits and raised the bar on what a shooter can be, and I don't believe MW2 reached that bar.

You must have played on easy dude. Wait scratch that Killzone 2 is notorious for long fire fights in single player. There is no way you beat in 5 hours even on easy.

You don't have to lie to kick it dude.

The single player alone is more longer than MW2's campaign. On easy or Elite this is not a joke, killing Radec is a job within it self. Getting through his waves of intelligent enemies are just beyond difficult.

heres the thing isa are the bad guys in kz2 there invading somoens homeland there shooting up homes and places of work, the helgast are defending themselfs, and the isa is doing this in retaliation

visari did bring his people purpose and did improve somethings there, yes hes a dictator but he did aim to make helgaln better

Was it really Visari that was killed in the end, don't know for sure. As another post said there are some subtle differences in how he looks compared to the opening shot.

Also the story line could take a drastic shift if Sev and the boys realize that they are the bad guys and that the Helghast have been screwed over by the ISA. Could we end up on the Helghan side trying to stop the ISA from destroying Helghast?