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Banned Xbox Live Users Class Action Investigation

A potential Class Action Lawsuit at Abington IP against Microsoft following the recent spate of Xbox Live bannings has appeared encouraging banned users to take part. Banned users are being asked to enter their details if they were not refunded money for time left on their accounts following being banned.

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GiantEnemyCrab6033d ago

Legal action against MS huh? I wonder what people would of said if they got the FBI and DOJ involved and instead of just banning people actually filed piracy charges. This is completely within their rights and MS would of probably won most of the cases.. Think about pirating a song and some single mother has to pay $300,000 I can't imagine what they would charge people for pirating $60 games probably in the millions.

MS can still do it.. I wonder if actions like these will make them step up their enforcement and fight fire with fire.

You stole and got caught.. Now take your ban like a man.

JD_Shadow6033d ago

I don't know if this could be something worth suing or not, but remember that there was controversy over who Microsoft thought were pirates in this round of bans, and what they were considering mods and cheats. Like I said, they are being accused of doing the "guilty until proven innocent" thing that the MPAA and RIAA like to do a lot (assume someone IS stealing just because of something that just raises suspicion on the user without actually looking into it to see if it really is the case or just a coincidental thing, and the accused has to prove to hell and back that they are not a thief or cheater).

This may be a bit more complicated than what we may believe.

Godmars2906033d ago

Aren't they talking about banned XBL accounts? Paid subscriptions with attempt to refund the remaining subscription time?

Weather or not modded consoles are connected to piracy, there's still the argument that MS's canceled hundreds of thousands of accounts and simply pocketed the money. This with no real formal warning. That sounds like it calls for legal action to me.

ZombieNinjaPanda6033d ago

Just from what I've seen others posting about, it seems that those banned were the ones who also modified their consoles to run more efficiently.

Which, isn't pirating, and isn't bad in a sense.

Elven66033d ago

You can still use the Xbox Live account on other services such as Games for Windows, Zune Marketplace, etc and even Xbox Live if you use an unbanned Xbox 360.

Was this even considered?

IdleLeeSiuLung6033d ago (Edited 6033d ago )

On the flip side, if I was a thief (yes, that is what pirates are), I would hardly want my name listed on legal documents essentially admitting to it. Besides, the Xbox Live agreement states that they can ban you anytime you violate their terms. Instead, they actually still allow you to use your gamertag online on a different Xbox.

Just be happy MS didn't pull a music industry on you and sue your @ss!!!

Saaking6033d ago

lmao they aren't gonna win. They broke the rules, modded their consoles, and took the risk. Too bad for them if they got banned. I don't agree with it, but MS does have the right to do it.

Godmars2906033d ago (Edited 6033d ago )

What's that going to mean to someone who's primary access is through the Xbox?

Its probably how they can legally justify not having to return subscription money, but that still doesn't do anything for someone who modded their console to fix RRoD or add heat sinks.

@Saaking:
Not if the terms of use only cover voiding an active warranty. It should at least make it arguable.

I mean, isn't the question weather or not the ToS cover general use, or coverage under warranty? If people knowingly voided their warranties, then does MS have the right to around and disable those consoles for general use?

GiantEnemyCrab6033d ago

Making any modifications to the hardware(even adding a fan) is against the ToS these people agreed too. Yes, I think it's harsh and I'm sure MS consulted their team of lawyers to review if they could do it legally.

Good points Dark and yes, we as consumers really have no idea what MS used as a criteria for banning.

Godmars, they don't ban your account(as someone else mentioned) so if you have a legit/legal console there is nothing stopping you from continuing to use your Live sub.

facelike6033d ago

As has been reported widely in the media, tens of thousands of Xbox owners have had their modified Xbox consoles banned from Microsoft's online gaming service Xbox Live. Although modification of Xbox consoles is against the terms of use for Xbox/Xbox Live, Microsoft "conveniently" timed the Xbox console ban to occur just after the release of the new Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 game and less than two months after the release of the very popular Halo 3: ODST game. This "convenient" timing may have resulted in more Xbox Live subscription revenues for Microsoft than it would have generated had these Xbox console bans taken place at some time before the release of Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 and Halo 3: ODST. Additionally, sales of both Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (published by Activision) and Halo 3: ODST (published by Microsoft Game Studios) would likely have been greatly diminished had the Xbox console ban occurred prior to the release of these games.

It's not the ban, it's the timing of the ban that is raising questions in these greedy lawyers minds. It's like they waited until people would renew their gold accounts in anticipation of MW2, and "boom!!" banned, and we got your money, HA HA! Either way, that's the cost of modding a console.

HolyOrangeCows6033d ago

Sorry, pirates. Terms of Service.

DSI6033d ago (Edited 6033d ago )

Haha, the law firm that is trying to get people to sign up is just trying to line their own pockets. I'm sure that if they won the case the modders would get 4 dollars a piece and the law firm would pocket millions.

Additionally, I wonder how much defense would this law firm provide these people if MS called in the FBI and their houses were raided for illegal games. Then the game publishers would be wanting a piece of them. I think I'd just cut my losses and move on.

pixelsword6032d ago (Edited 6032d ago )

A person modding his xbox to make it run better (i.e. preventing RRoD) I feel sorry for because he should have sued Microsoft for them to do it, because it's microsoft's fault that it needed that modification. That was just bad judgment.

A boy stealing a luxury because he's too cheap to buy games, well... if he can't spend 60$ a year to get ONE game a year, why is he spending $50 a year playing it?

Not only is he a thief, but one that can't even justify himself logically.

Before anyone talks about the tired "copying isn't stealing" argument look up what a copyright is sometime and you'll see how wrong you are. Some thief tried to justify themselves using that "logic" and couldn't justify himself, so like a little boy having a fit and holding his breath all they could do is insult and not comment further; not even stand-up to a debate on the matter. Even then, if it was something NEEDED (versus a game) I myself would have mercy on them, or even an old game may not be so bad because the game has already paid for itself or the company may be gone, heckers, I'd even go as far as like a game that could help old people I'd cut a little slack for (I'd just have them pay for the game with a payment plan); but a NEW luxury game a company needs the profits on the feed their family and to keep the company afloat; not to mention to invest in making NEW games is something that is thievery at it's lowest.

vhero6032d ago

Damn right you should get your gold sub money back if you have any. MS used these poor basterds and not all of em were pirates I know somebody banned for using a modded hard drive (modded a 20GB to a 250GB) and he got banned. He had just bought a live subscription. However! MS will claim you can still use your subscription on another console so the lawsuit will go nowhere. The gold isnt linked to the console its linked to your account. Of course then that forces you to buy a new 360 and if you wanna sue for that then go ahead in America its definitely possible. America is the only place in the world you can walk up to a complete stranger and punch them for no reason and sue them for damage to your hand.

CrazedFiend6032d ago (Edited 6032d ago )

MS can file a pirating suit against EVERYONE who takes action against them on this one.

Face it, you modded your box. You f'd up. They told you not to and you did it anyway. You took money from them, now they're taking it back. But they're doing it legally.

Leave this one alone.

@vhero

Listen, if you mod extra HD space onto your xbox, that's still robbing MS of the money they want to charge you for a HD. If MS wants you to pay X amount of dollars for a 20GB drive then that's what you have to pay if you don't want them to take action against you. If your friend REALLY wanted to have all that space, they should have just went with a PS3. Then they could have LEGALLY set themselves up with as much HD space as they could cram into it.

I have 500GB internal and up to 2TB external on mine and Sony will NEVER come after me about it.

CrazedFiend6032d ago (Edited 6032d ago )

how many of you are going to go buy another Xbox now, 'cause you know that's what MS wants.

You know...a boost of sales...from the faithful. As in, "We built you a brick. You stayed with us because of your friends list. We just bricked you again. Will your friends list buy you another box for us? We're on your side after all (^_^)"

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BBCnewsrocks6033d ago

haha, they feel like they've been cheated on by MS. How ironic.

Pirates deserve no sympathy.

syrinx6033d ago

Agree with you there. It's like every loophole is being looked at and remaining subs is the target because it could be all they have.

Godmars2906033d ago (Edited 6033d ago )

Still, you have to prove that they're pirates. As far as the public in general knows, a refurbished 360 might read as modded on XBL. MS isn't really taking or asking for any credibility, just going by their own book.

Darkfocus6033d ago (Edited 6033d ago )

I know 2 people with refurb units that got banned and three who didn't want to pay for one of microsofts ridiculously overpriced hard drives so don't be such a **** some people have been cheated by microsoft and never pirated a game in their life.

Sorry if I come off as a bit angry but it pisses me off when people say ignorant things like that how would you feel if you got banned and you never did anything wrong?

RememberThe3576033d ago

Oh man that is ironic. Cheaters feeling cheated.

Elven66033d ago

DarkFocus: It doesn't matter, the TOS is a legally binding contract that you have to accept if you want to use Xbox Live and it strictly forbids the use of any sort of modification on your console.

If people wanted to get their Xbox 360s fixed they have to use Microsoft's service. I agree that the Hard-drives are overpriced but the rules are there for a reason. I don't think case mods really do anything, I think it might only be for the parts that register something upon bootup.

vhero6032d ago (Edited 6032d ago )

Wow you really are a moron TheKonspiracy especially as you got the word piracy in your username.. You get banned for using a modded hard drive or a custom case or heck you even get banned if you repair the RROD yourself using a custom fan like the tutorials on Ebay... If you really think everybody who got banned were only pirates you need your head seeing to.

BBCnewsrocks6032d ago

wow, I have piracy in my name. Great argument there. Whether or not they were pirates, I think it's pretty safe to assume a large chunk of them were. As for being banned for modding (non piracy reasons) or fixing a console yourself, they should know what the risks are before they do it. Sure it can be expensive but nobody said gaming was a cheap hobby.

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syrinx6033d ago

lol "You stole and got caught.. Now take your ban like a man." That's one way to look at it :)

Redrudy6033d ago

I don't think this case will go anywhere.

Have MS banned a group of people from LIVE before?

GiantEnemyCrab6033d ago

Several times actually. This one however seemed to be the biggest yet.

vhero6032d ago (Edited 6032d ago )

It was the biggest yet as Sony are now selling more consoles so they need an even bigger sales boost. Every one of these bannings give a sales boost and I bet this one will be no differnt. Didn't work though as PS3 STILL outsold them worldwide. However thanks to the bannings they got nearly 40k more sold than Sony last week in the US.

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