Upscaling is not the same as re-rendering it in HD. PS1 and 2 games will become even more pixaleted when upscaled so they've used a smoothing filter. Screenshots will not show much difference. On HDTVs, it will.

Couldnt really see a difference there either.

Havent played a ps2 game on the 3 sense the update so cant really say.

even takes ps1/ps2 games and still bleaches them out! The ps3 is a peice of crap no hate what so ever! The proof is in the pudding! Just look at the shots and what the ps3 fanboys are saying their selves!

bleaches them out???

You obviously haven't tried this yet. and what do you mean still??? Are you going with the rest of "those guys" and saying the PS3 leaves a washed-out look??? Because I think that's what you're saying.

You, sir, are an idiot. You deserve death. A painful. Suffering. Death.

BTW..."the proof is in the pudding" <What are you smoking???

#1 - lamest phrase ever
#2 - are you a housewife?
#3 - that phrase was used incorrectly
#4 - average size of the full-grown asian male...

...so now PS3 can claim another feature - software upscaling. But in all honesty, who cares. I did not purchase an HD display to play last gen games. I will continue to use my PS2 and Xbox to play my favorite last gen games on my SD display. My HD display is reserved for HD gaming.

Ok, for all you Sony fanboys that hit disagree...well, if upscaling was all that was needed why should we waste our time with Blu-Ray. Why not just put up with upscaled DVD on an HD display??? probably because upscaled anything never compares with native resolutions, especially on a 1080p compatible display. I did not spend thousands on a new HD display to play yesterdays games. Its a novelty to see how they look but not something I really care about. I dare say once the PS3 gets some great games you won't give a toss about upscaling either.

seriously though, anyone seeing IGN's comparison would laugh, I did... over the ridiculousness of their reporting. There's been tons of other screenshot comparisons around the web that show how much better the games look when smoothing options and the rgb full color range are turned on:
http://i14.tinypic.com/6fs2...
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http://img159.imageshack.us...
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Nik is correct. The very defenition of the word tells what it does. They (UP SCALE) MAKE BIGGER the textures or sprites. Its not some act of God. They make them bigger and increase the resolution. Now, if you increase the resolution of something it becomes more pixelated or jaggie if you will. As the texture or sprite becomes stretched from being enlarged the colors start to separate on the sprites or on the texture itself. Then when you turn the filter or smoother on it fills in the gaps that are created from the separations which distorts it or makes it blurry as well as washing out the colors. At 1080p with a filter on the image will always be less detailed or blurry, as well as the colors being washed out. You can't just transform a low resolution sprite or texture into an HD one, if that were the case why release the PS3. Why not just release upscaling software on the PS2. Every emulator all the way down to the SNES has this option so they can run on high resolution PC monitors without looking pixelated. Its no big deal..............I see so many people checking disagree on the comments when people say it looks blurry...well it does. It's just like enlarging a photograph. The bigger you make it...the more it stretches....the more the colors separate...the less detailed or blurry it becomes in the end......It is really a simple concept.....you can even do it to pictures saved on your computer..the bigger you make them the less detailed they become......I have explained this so simply that anyone should be able to understand now. So if you check disagree i don't know about you people..

so, the image pairs don't match and they are too small. what are they trying to pull?

On my 40" 1080p screen there is a definite difference in the upscaled version. From what I can see when not using smooth edges the upscaled version looks better and now fits to my full screen (without horrible black borders) there is still a few jaggies around which then with smooth edges turned on it seems to fix that.

Overall I'm pleased with the upscaling but I still need to test alot more games.

This reminds me of the old composite cable vs S-Video debate.
S-Video was better but just barely..maybe a 10-15% improvement over composite res.

GOW2 should look better. It's using recent tech., and it's also progressive scan.

RE2 looks a bit better.

The rest could be done in photoshop. Maybe a blur filter and a anti-aliasing filter.

Some games look blurry (Capcom game) and comes off looking worse then the orig. res.
Others see barely any improvement.

I aint seen much difference in PS1 games but on FF12 and Pro Evo 6 I defo noticed smoother visuals and when the camera was zoomed out the speckles were almost gone from the screen.
I dont think that IGN article used the best of games to demonstrate the upgrade (e.g Capcom fighting game), and yeh the screens werent big enough to get a gud idea of the difference.
Reminds me of the expansion pack for the N64, that did a similar thing to the games.

its funny how so many people are blind, every game so far ive tried doesn't look that much better, im still looking for a 720p option instead of 1080p....and some games ive tried look down right crappy, and every game with text the text is all blurry.

p.s: its a fact taking 480i/p media and upscaling it to 1080i/p allways looks worse then if you upscale it to 720p.

the originals are WAY better. Its all stretched and the colors messed up. Only blind fanboys would think they look better.

I can certainly see a difference on my TV.

Haha. What is IGN like. They upscaled and then downscaled all their images!? Both their images were the same size, meaning you couldn't see the quality difference...typical IGN resizing. What were the size of the pictures?

You can't see the difference when you show small images for both, since in upscaling you are producing an image 3 times the size...meaning original the psx/ps2 game will be STRETCHED accross an HDTV screen, but with upscaling it is actually UPSCALED to the right resolution. The difference is simply seen on an HDTV.

Look members have provided their images and these are some of the results they are getting;

I have a Ps3 on a 1080p display and knew right away that these screenshots are BS. the non scaled shots look like they were done on a standard definition display while the upscaled ones look like they are in 720p.

IGN thinking people wouldn't be smart enough to sniff out their caca makes them look like hacks and fools.

Ign displaying a rather comical lack of intelligence and knowledge on the subject (not the first time). If both images are the same size, we're supposed to be able to see a difference HOW? Unless smoothing is turned on, you won't. Regardless, I have a PS3, so take it from ME, as in someone who DOES know what they're talking about, that it looks noticably better. Not a heck of a lot better, let's not forget we're mulitplying the number of pixels many times and putting over a generic smoothing filter, but better. If you want to see similar results, do the same with an Xbox game on a 360 upscaled to 1080P/720P, although I'm more impressed with the 360's approach to upscaling, just seems a little cleaner in general. But taht's just my opinion.

This is really really really pathetic. IGN seems to have it out for Sony in general when ever they release to new piece of hardware, then they change their minds (flipfloppers).
Don`t listen to any info about the ps3 from IGN for another year or so.

This will always be an Opinion Answer! So saying Fact or Fiction you'll wind~up with both Agree/Disagreeable Tempers! Since Debating makes the World Go Round!

I have to see i was shocked when I saw those pictures on IGN. I would think they would know what they are doing. Anyway having a 60 inch tv in front of me you see alot of jagged edges playin old games and the dvd upscale doesnt work magic but for one thing on a 60 inch tv it improves the quality of the picture A LOT.

for me it looks a little better than it did (gow2) but it still looks like a PS2 game!!

now about this upscaling issue, since sony is doing it , its fine!! remember when MS announced that the 360 can UPSCALE ALL games to 1080p, you sony boys were all over that, talking about how it wasnt any good to upscale. the 360 was able to upscale 360 games an all. but now the Ps3 can upscale old PS2 games now its the best thing since sliced bread!! I see how it is, IF MS DOES IT ITS BAD BUT IF SONY DOES IT ITS GREAT!!

FANBOYS YOU GOT TO LOVE THEM!!

For some of you

Get a PS3

Get a 50inch xbravia sony LCD (1080p)

have sex with your boyfriend or galfriend or wife or a hooker....shortly after...light up a cigie then relax in front of your big azz TV....

Put any PS2 game into da ps3 machine....then turn on upscale and the difference is there....For those of you who can't see the difference you very need to wipe that cum off your glasses.....

We should be thanking Sony for they latest firmware update...instead of fuking saying shiiit like "Eil I think it look worst"

Sony is not stupid...why the fuk would they relaese an update if it wasnt gonna make it zit better.

By the way....Upscale DVD to 1080p is fuking amazing....good job sony

As for IGN go suk a 8===>....those screens are so fuking blurry....wat the fuk were they thinking showing it to peoples that doesnt have a PS3!!!

poor IGN is at it again. To bad it didn't work for them because it works for everyone else.

Those screen shots are such bull! There is a huge difference in the look of the game when upscaled to 1080p. What kind of crappy so called HDTV were they using??? I think they deliberately are trying to deceive people, but they can't deceive the PS3 owners who play on a HDTV set. We all know the difference is huge!

Don't really care what IGN says. They constantly try to downplay any PS3 news. The great thing is - when I get my PS3, I will be able to play nearly all my PS2 titles. And many will even look better as a bonus.

The XB360 fanboys trying to downplay this - shame. Still can't play your old XB titles? Heck - with so many new titles still coming out for the PS2 it is all good.

Thumbs down for IGN and their crappy reporting. They seem to compete with Kotaku and TheInquirer.net for the most stupid reporting.

i think what they are forgetting is that a HDTV stretches a psone game until its unbearibly crap to look at. I know this because i tried FF7 on my ps3 through a 40" HDTV before and it was painful. Now i'm about 20 hours through the game, and it looks perfect because of upscaling. I couldn't be happier with this update

Like all things, you really notice the difference when you see it for yourself on a HDTV, not on a monitor

Any of you who own a PS3 and downloaded the update and played one of their old games will no doubt disagree with those stupid screenshot that IGN doctored up to create a buzz so more people can visit their lame website. Those pics are stupid and in accurate and any of you believing what you see to be true with out actually seeing it in real like is an idiot too. who care what Upscaling means or how it's done the fact is that it makes a difference.

Well I couldn't tell the difference, but I sure as hell see a big improvement on my TV. I don't know what IGN is doing wrong, but I do know that they're not getting the same affects that I'm getting.

like to throw out their opinions hyperbole, conjecture, and all of the rest of the water cooler cliches and horsesh1t as if their opinions are the final say these days -- well more than normal today, especially on this topic.

Thammer, marty, spazz...errr...I mean spawn, thwip, jason, not the one, Bill L. Baker, jenzo, & the list goes on & on from the congregation @ Peter Moore's Church of Gates. Their former reverend top gamer a.k.a. the real deal was caught in a scandal and now controversy is stirred up on just about anything pro - PS3 since the good shepherd has left the site and they have no leader. Awwwww...

What's the matter -- You guys are tired of playing your 3 or 4 games that are even worth mentioning on your idolized system. It is so obvious how bored and jealous you all are because you're on PS3 threads like flies on Dawg$hit....Mmmmmm yummy. So here ya go taste THIS: The following are a couple of screens from a little game that came out oh...about 5 years ago...you may have heard of it before -it's called Marvel vs. Capcom 2. Rememeber games like that guys? You know Great games that came out on the PS2 and that now can be played on the PS3. Oh no you Don't know because your reverend doesn't believe in Back Compat. HAHA....oh well

While you're being charged for online networking via "live" in 2007 and finishing AAA games in 6 hours; take note that the following is yeat another added perk for owning the PS3 because in actuality -- nothing this pure will ever grace that poor excuse of technology called an XBox360. Throw it out in the bathwater (take the towels off first) and then start all over again....ok? Nevermind that's already been done. =]

The first pic is Wolvie vs. Hulk PS3

Second is Wolvie vs. Hulk PS2

The last is Ruby Heart & Spidey vs. Hulk PS3

There is some motion blur because these are not stagnant characters [no I didn't pause the game, because I wanted to capture the raw essence of the characters as they move on screen, unretouched for your review] and it's difficult to get the lighting just right in my game room, but one can clearly see the level of refined detail to the training room wall - bars (green) at the rear between the two consoles (upscaling in effect) and the level of detail in Hulk's feet and the jaggies around he and Wolvie on the PS2 shot are clearly evident. Also look at the detail ion fonts and the colors even look a little better. I know Wolvie looks kinda blurry and crazy on the first PS3 shot, but hey -- the guy's a berserker and wouldn't stand still -- not even for this shot!lol Believe me, the game is not blurry AT ALL, as opposed to what all the HATERATION posts above are claiming. I think that the blurriness in the photos is simply due to the difficulty in capturing a "good" screenshot and natural artifacting that shows up in the final shots. My games aren't blurry buddy, but I keep the competition dizzy. Thanks for nothing Microsoft.

P.S. -- Join Folding team #60148 with your own PSN i.d. and get great fringe benefits if ya know what I mean. Enjoy -

Cheers

Loot Ninja's so full of sh*t as always. I hat their anti MS asses.

thats a good one. So how long you been a fanatical member in the kult of krazy ken?

...upscaling does not equal better graphics... you cant make something from nothing... they are sd images and anyone running a hd set knows that it looks like poo poo. all upscaling does is take a little image and make it bigger with as little distortion as possible... however there is still DISTORTION no matter what... shouldn't sony be more worried about new ps3 games? i mean if some one really wanted to play GoW II and they are one of the few gamers that dont have a ps2 they could go out and buy a slim ps2 for like $100... and odds are if they are playing it on a hdtv it (the tv) could/would do the upscaling itself anyways... no need to spend $600 to play ps2 games in almost-but-really-not-hd.

yes i have posted this 4 times now and i will continue to untill this non-news is no longer posted like 23424329884944 times.

One thing is for sure guys, most of the guys making their opinions here havent even tried a PS3. MART, and some others are really tiresome. The other day MARTY said Resistance was a mediocre FPS, but he havent even played it. He is sooo blind to believe that this mediocre FPS already looks better than Halo 3. But Marty said COD2 looked better. Come on blind fanatics..wakeup.

On the upscaling I have to tell you guys, I have more than 90 PS2 games and the difference is really there. Dont expect you morons that the upscaler make PS2 games look as good as PS3 games!! Jesus!!. At least some of them now look better than some Xbox games. Not all of the games I tried looked good. Some games have their problems.

The Konami games I tried looked worse upscaled. Contra Shatered soldier, The Castlevania games and MGS2 looked prety bad. MGS3 works fine. FFXII looks really amazing. One problem I find playing Tekken 5 is tha it was too blurry, I find the solution in this case and some others. The game came preloaded with a softening option. Turn it off. Also if you turned on the progrresive scan in any game, it is doungraded to 480p.

Games like PRIMAL, Ghosthunter, God of War 1 and 2, FFXII, RE4, DMC3, Champions Returns to Arms, Tekken 5, VF4, Onimusha DoD, Mortal Kombat DA and Okami just to name a few. Looked better than most of my Xbox games. One thing that make me really enjoy this upscaler was WWE Smackdown vs Raw 2006. The upscaler make it look as good as my $59.99 "superior" XBOX 360 version. So to me, anyone who is talking negative comments about the firmware 1.80 and his ability to upscale PS2/PSone games, obiously dont know what the hell he is talking about.

PS: MARTY FANATIC!! I really enjoyed playing CoD2 on my 360, but it doesnt looked better than RESISTANCE. Sorry. MARTY, dont be mad...RESISTANCE cant compare graphically with my copy of GEARS...the best graphical showpiece of the next gen.

FANATICS IF U DONT LIKE IT GO.....URS ELVES!!!!!!!!

Now that Jim Ryan is gone just need to remove Herman Hulst from his position! And maybe give Shuhei the position he deserved.

This gen hasn't been the best for games, last gen consoles are still out there and now there's been talk of the PS6 and Xbox Two for a year or so. Many games this gen will be ported to next gen and the cycle will continue. The re-release of the Neo Geo AES+, games on cartridge for £70 ($95), gaming is going back in time. Gaming has gone pricing mad with the high cost of games, consoles and controllers. The men and women at the top are clueless.

It’s always interesting to hear behind-the-scenes stories like this, especially involving veterans like Shuhei Yoshida and leadership figures like Jim Ryan. That said, there are usually multiple sides to decisions at that level. It could be less about not “listening” and more about differences in long-term vision for PlayStation. Yoshida played a huge role in shaping the brand, so whatever the reason, his impact is undeniable.

If true, and I'm inclined to believe it is, it goes to show that Sony lost their way when they became more western/didn't respect the PlayStation origin story. Andrew House and Jack Tretton did great work, but they also didn't try to fundamentally change the PlayStation DNA. Ryan oversaw the death of Japan Studio and a live service direction.

I already figured this, good lord imagine if Shuhei took over instead, would've been a platinum era 😩

I miss the first three generations of PlayStation. The way they turned PS3 around, we knew they meant business. We were all worried for a bit there around launch. Eventually from 2008 they started shifting slowly. But since Yoshida was fired, it's never been the same. Still enjoy my PS5 daily. I got a backlog dating back to PS2 lol So I'm fine but new games aren't as appealing anymore.

It seems like we were thrown on to the worst timeline possible where everything is too expensive and the wrong people were put in positions that makes the world a shitty place. We could have had Shu as the head of PS but we got the shitty alternative. Same goes for everyone in power around the world. Doesn’t matter the company or country the majority of us got the shitty picks and the world is declining like never before. I do think PS can come out of this because of their studios, talent and IP but they need someone more in touch with gamers leading things like Shu was. They’re still the best place for console gaming imo but it could be much better than it is especially without the massive live service failures. The rest of the world I have a lot less hope for right now. Hopefully the pendulum swings back towards the good ole days but I’m preparing for the worst.

There goes illuminati distraction story

So now there's certifiable proof that Ryan was in fact "fired", as opposed to when it was first announced that he "retired", in order to save face.

There's another guy who recently "retired" as CEO of another large gaming company, after doing a dismantling job as lead for well over a decade.

seems legit, the business man, fires the one who has ideas to move the business forward.

Jim Ryan is the reason why we are entering year 6 since the PS5 launch and many of us don't feel like the PS5 has gotten started as yet.

I hope going forward, we will see a return to form.