Nintendo has outsourced all of their hardware since they entered the game industry, that includes the NES whose insides were made in most part by Ricoh. Not like that's a bad thing, it's simply ignorant to say Sony doesn't make hardware and Nintendo does (lmfao). In fact, it's good for Nintendo as making hardware is not one of their core competencies.

Sony owns the Cell IP, it was co-developed by them in conjunction with Toshiba and IBM; Kutaragi was very involved in that project, so your reduced and simplistic version is completely wrong (why don't you admit you hate sony, lmao). Sony gets a "gimped" version of the cell because it's a lot cheaper. Instead of trying to hunt for Cells where all SPEs work perfectly, they accept a minor cost of performance (1 SPE) in exchange for being significantly cheaper. It's a matter of probability. The Cell is not only paying off artistically, but if rumors are correct, an extended version of the cell will make it to the PS4. Also, the RSX is owned by Sony, that's why Toshiba can manufacture it and not just nVidia the way it happened with Microsoft. Microsoft outsourced everything for the first Xbox, but they didn't own the IP, that's why it was huge and they had to drop it. For this Xbox, they own all the parts even if IBM and ATI helped them build it. For the next-Xbox, it is rumored that they are doing everything themselves, at least to get better prices from all suppliers. It's hilarious how you speak of IBM and ATI as if they were Nintendo's employees and yet Sony and Microsoft are the only ones who "pony up" money for them. That's just pathetic.

Also, you speak as if you know something we don't know, so why don't you prove it? Prove that the "Wii HD" will actually come out in 2011 with facts and figures instead of just providing us speculating and delusional wishful thinking. Of course, Nintendo *has* the means to develop a powerhouse of a system, but that doesn't mean they will. Their current philosophy is bringing out hardware at a profit, and with their brand name, why would they do otherwise? They don't need to incurr in losses. If you have no proof of this then you will come of as insane. If you signed a NDA, then you shouldn't be running your mouth to begin with.

The only way Nintendo can actually "teach" Microsoft and Sony how to do HD systems is if they bring a truly next-generation system in 2011 and not something that simply competes with them (and worse, that probably won't have the same features). I can see Nintendo making a system comparable to 360 and PS3 in specs, not really being truly next-gen. It would be awesome if Nintendo actually released an 8-gig RAM 128-core monster, but there is no (reasonable non-delusional or fanboy based) evidence to suggest that it will happen.

Scissor runner is entirely right about the hardware...the parts are contracted out - ati made the gpu in the xbox 360. IBM makes the processors for xbox and ps3. IBM OWNS THE PATENTS for the memory coherence architecture on the cell. They have considered putting them blade servers to use for dedicated servers for MMORPGs.

Let's check wiki:

"During this period, IBM filed many patents pertaining to the Cell architecture, manufacturing process, and software environment. An early patent version of the Broadband Engine was shown to be a chip package comprising four "Processing Elements," which was the patent's description for what is now known as the Power Processing Element.[14]"

Even back in GC nintendo used ati for graphics. IBM powerpc altivec enabled processors run most of these systems. Oh yeah - the same altivec Apple contracted to use FROM IBM in the g4 and g5. IBM makes the processors for all these systems and ATI and nivida the gfx! Good for them too...IBM/ATI/nivida are slick with hardware and honestly it's better that way.

You think sony or MS have a place they can fabricate chips? You guys are insane.

"3rd parties and fanboys are running out of excuses these days. Here's to hoping nintendo uses some for of cloud based game dilievery, disk based, along with a solid state solution that has inputs for extra ram and gpus etc. That is the only true way to make a hardcore system."

A solid state drive in a console? Inputs for extra ram? Yeah that's a PC...how much do solid state drives cost again - hundreds for a few gigabytes? Last I checked my 74gb Raptor did the trick. You think that's gonna be on a console? You have literally described something that can only be achieved on PC.

The hardcore ps3 and xbox have 512mb ram each. Find me one PC gamer that doesn't have 2gb+. The same thing will happen with the newer consoles if they took the approach you suggest. You kids don't remember 3dO...that killer system everyone wanted yet died cause of a 600 dollar price tag.

Don't even get me STARTED on the IN ORDER EXECUTION CORES those systems have...the processors they contain don't compare to PC because they can't optimize instruction calls themselves in games so complex developers can't possibly do it!

Any released console will suffer from Moore's law and be destroyed by PCs usually by or soon after the release date. This has been and will always be the case. The 512mb of ram in the hd consoles is the best example of this - you think that if they skimped that much this gen, they'd put in solid state next gen? That's more of a wet dream than web 2.0.

What?

Where the hell did all that come from? I wasn't talking technical mumbo-jumbo, and I never said Nintendo made their consoles themselves. I simply stated that they have no reason to compete with Sony and MS anymore. Releasing a competitive HD console at this point would be like slitting their own wrists. And not the "I need help" horizontal way either.

If Nintendo releases an HD console it would just be to increase the graphics power slightly. The reason the Wii sells so well is because it has created it's own market segment. There is no way in hell that Nintendo will give that up. They made billions of dollars doing it this gen, why would they sacrifice that to suddenly compete directly with other companies?

That's like having a bucket of money all to yourself, and then dropping that bucket to try and get some money out of a bucket that 3 other people are sharing. Oh, and the bucket you were holding was FUDGIN HUGE!

A new console cannot enter the current generation and compete with the same graphics power. They would need a TON of awesome games already made, which just isn't possible unless they kill the current Wii off completely (another example of burning money and corporate suicide).

Nintendo will never make a console that has graphical power that is as good or better than their competitors. They have no reason to. It is obvious that the next console will have graphical improvements (probably big ones), but it will never be on the level of the other consoles.

That loud little race bike can actually beat V8s down a drag stripe.
So you can think of it as a lot more powerful Then a wii.

98Hp with 2 wheels means 150+MPH. XD

*edit*
Sarc why you give me a negative?

"Umm HD system games don't even run In HD lol.
Your ps3 is more like a civic with those loud mufflers not a exoctic car. A pc would be more like it. It even cost about the same to maintain it."

Ah I see now, you're just another 360 fanboy. Here I thought you were actually trying to have a real discussion. N/M, got you on ignore now.

Sac I'm sorry I did not mean to offend you but if you want to be a child about it then fine put me on your list. 360 don't run in HD ethier. Both systems are selling you lies lol at least the wii delievers fun and promises you nothing but more. On the pc side it is the only HD formate and game prices are not based on hype.

Sony claim to fame is movie games and that time is over. The industry just is not rich enough to afford those types of games. Money does not equal talent also nor does power it only unleashes it.

I would not call my self a fan of Sony or ms. I'm more of a fan of capcom japan, nintendo, and the sega arcade branch. And yes I'd software and I try to like epic for there games but I like their tools better.

I'm more of a fan of gaming than a system because system die. Like most people who work in the industry I simply move on unless said company pays my bills.

"The price was never the problem with the ps3. It has always been the games."

Uh... no. Games has never been an issue. It's the pricing.

That's why when the PS3 dropped to $299 it sold 1.3 million worldwide in a month. No game on ANY console this generation will ever push 1.3 million hardware in a month.