metal gear rinsing is multi plat and uncharted will do 2 mill easy.
the reason Killzone 2 was not up to the standard that people wanted money wise was because Sony didn't really show and ads for it until the game was out. go to know that Sony has the"it only does uncharted"ads but i have not seen them on tv. but i still think that it should be second to cod mw2 this year and sell more than Killzone 2 did.

Well, I'm certainly not worried about Uncharted 2's sales, because if Killzone 2 sold 300K+ in February in the U.S. during a span of 2 days, I see no reason why Uncharted 2 shouldn't do at least 400-450K minimum in October's U.S. NPD.

Both Naughty Dog and Uncharted has an established fanbase, but Killzone 2 didn't have that going for it because the first Killzone game didn't fare to well with critics, and Guerrilla didn't have a very significant established fanbase either. If Uncharted 1 sold over 2.5 Million as a Single Player game, with time, Uncharted 2 should surpass those numbers since it has Multiplayer... and I think that Uncharted 2 will outsell KZ2 in the long run as well.

Well i'll be keeping a close eye on sales figures for this game you lot can count on me.

This game is getting plenty of hype and marketing so it should do well but by any chance it does not you ps3 fans won't here the last from me.

Loving the knee-deep FUD.....

You know what pisses me off is all these idiots who think they should be in game journalism trying to put sh*t on what looks to be one of if not the best game in a long time, a game that pushes every boundry that there is, with outstanding polish, features and attention to detail YET they play down the fact that MS is charging $60 for DLC.

It's gonna ruin gaming and its the only reason that I wish MS would F*** off and die. If Sony didnt push its dev studios to produce quality software, gaming would be a seriously sh*tty place.

Kizzy 2 didn't have the marketing campaign or hollywood-appeal that Uncharted 2 has, so it was unfortunately doomed to average sales from the beginning. (apparently 2 million is average nowadays)

Both are AAA titles. I don't see the point.

Makes 360 fanboys weep bitter tears.

"Uncharted 2 PS3 can't become a Killzone 2"

so Kz2 was really a flop! But but but the cell and best graphics! The gameplay fukd the game.. same will be with GT5... bad gameplay and poor environments.

KZ2 failed because of a horrible controls system. Word spread within hours of release like wildfire and word of mouth ultimately killed it. If it weren't for KZ2's crappy controls the game would have sold much more.

So far U2's mp is superb as well as it's single player will be, THAT will give it much higher success than KZ2.

here you go MetalGearRising here's your reward

And with the stellar reviews the sequel has received I don't think sales will be a problem...

Bring on the FUD! DOOM DOOM DOOM DOOM!

I love this site.

legs

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Since when did sales become the criteria for artistic excellence?

sorry gamedia, but I like my games HARDCORE for HARDCORE gamers.

KZ2 was a great game its just for a very narrow audience Uncharted 2 will reach to a larger group of people.

Fun Fact: 54% Failure Rate

i think it's unfair to compare KZ2 and uncharted 2 on any sales level considering how different the landscape was for KZ2. Take this into account uncharted 2 already has an established predecesor (drake's fortune) and is launching hot off the fresh PS3 slim and price drop. KZ2 launched as esentially a new IP as the first one really didn't create a big fan base and launched when the PS3 was 399 and in the post holiday/economic slump period. Killzone 2 has a lot going against it so it isn't fair to compare uncharted 2 and KZ2 in either way

but come on now folks. I know as gamers sales mean little to us. Sony is a business and businesses are made for one reason to profit. So lets grow up for a minute and realize that there are men in suits at sony corp who want to see Uncharted 2 sell as much and as fast as Halo ODST did. I am not speaking to quality but i am speaking to the reality of gaming as a business. I have preordered my copy, and other PS3 owners should buy this game, not just because its GOTY quality but also to show those suits at sony that its worth making games like Killzone 2 and UC 2. Support your console b*tches.

here's the kicker. killzone unfairly compared to halo the minute it was announced by sony, sony fanboys, and msft fanboys alike. It was unfairly put into a bad situation. in the FPS console market nothing will sell like halo in the US market simply because master chief has been marketed as a real american hero i.e GI joe. disagree if you must but it's the truth.

Now uncharted has the potential to do the same and here's why. Nathan Drake can become a household name and just as chief has become a new age gi joe, Drake has all the potential to become a new age Indiana Jones. If you put fanboyism aside and look at some of the similarites it's pretty obvious. I may get disagrees for this but if markted properly Drake could become bigger than Kratos in the states and become Sony's flagship character als chief and MSFT.

Halo - at launch was the only game worthwhile on the xbox
UC - at launch was the only game many considered worthwhile at launch.
Halo - made FPS's fun on a console to many gamers
UC - made platforming furn again to many gamers
Halo - was unfinished in bungies eyes' from pressure from MSFT to release.
UC - was unfinished in naughty dogs eyes from pressure from Sony to release.
Halo - H2 was bigger and better basically want they wanted the original to be set the standard for mp on xbl
UC - UC2 is bigger and better basically want they wanted the original to be can set the standard for mp on psn

In the years to come I think Drake just as big as Chief in the American gaming culture and Naughty Dog really has a huge pool from which they can pull story lines as does Halo.

Good games no matter which side of the fence you support. When it's all said and done even with the modern warfare 2's and left 4 deads of the world coming out this holiday. UC 2 will be up there and will sell more than 2 million in it's first week worldwide.

Killzone 2 had poor advertising behind it and it was at a time when the PS3 was $399 and up.

UC2 is at a time of a $299 PS3 and the best marketing campaign Sony has done yet, IMO!

And we're living in a gaming world now where if a game doesn't do Halo 3 numbers in one day, it's a flop (though we never say a word about a MS game being a flop if it doesn't do those numbers).

Please tell me where they are NOT trying to set flame bait stories up ahead of time?

2 million is a success, the problem is they didn't earn big.

I cry, the multiplayer demo alone is worth 60 dollars.

floop

Killzone 2 was a failure of mammoth proportions. Uncharted 2 looks like a whole new breed of gaming.

I'm in the UK. 299.99 dollars is for the console equals 188 pounds.
About the cheapest you can get a brand new PS3 in the UK is 245 pounds. 188 pounds is barely more than the Wii cost when it was launched in the UK (179.99 pounds).

But, apart from Little Big Planet, the PS3 is still lacking quirky little games like Ico, Shadow of the collusus, old school survival horror (not Resident Evil 5). The Uncharted series is the only reason I would buy one. In fact I did briefly own one and loved Uncharted but nothing else impressed me.

kz2 didnt sell well, because it had like no advertising.. it only had a 1-2 week ad that was short. KZ2 is critically acclaimed its one of the best FPS out there and hopefully with KZ3 sony will pony up a bigger ad campaign for it.. sidetracking sorry. Anyways Uncharted 2 will sell well into the holidays.

OK, when I talk about 'quirky little games', I'm actually talking about very well produced offbeat adventure games, often by or with the involvement of big studios, that happen to be quite small and tightly focussed like Gregory Horror Show. A game like the Wii's MadWorld. I'm not thihking of airy fairy elves in the wood games that have you taking on the forces of darkness or some such cliche.

I see plenty of people saying that killzone 2 didn't sell as well as Sony expected, however, do we really know what Sony was expecting. MGS4 numbers as someone suggested is crazy, MGS is a game known by millions, KZ is practically a new franchise. Yes, alot of hype, but internet hype, what about real world, not just internet. We should stop assuming what are Sony's projections.

The title they were looking for was "Uncharted 2 PS3 can't afford to become a Killzone 2" but neither truly relates to the article

The premise of course being that the latter while heavily hyped and a very high quality game was not the commercial success that had been hoped for and that furthermore it failed to be a system seller.

From the article however what they are really talking about is how well they expect Uncharted 2 to do commercially, which isn't really what the title is all about either. The title supposes that disaster lurks for someone, whoever it may be, if the title does not cement itself as a commercial blockbuster. An article like that is fine in and of itself but they don't even bother to make a case for that at all.

Why is so much of 'Games Journalism' so goddamn terrible?

uncharted2 is going to sell dont down play it please bots while us ps3 owners get excellent exclusives after another you guys still playing and getting crappy exclusives. I thank god that i open my eyes and bought what is a next gen console call the ps3 ftw!!!!!!!!!!!

advertising is expensive, risky for certain games. You can still get the same outcome without burning moeny but it will take sometime.

"Well i'll be keeping a close eye on sales figures for this game you lot can count on me. "

Alright. Considering all you bots care about is "teh salez"

"This game is getting plenty of hype and marketing so it should do well but by any chance it does not you ps3 fans won't here the last from me"

Just make sure that you wont "disappear" or make up invalid reasons like the others as soon as you are proven wrong.

I guess Wii Play AND Wii Fit are Killzone 2 quality right? All of these sites are desperately looking for negatives to bring UC2 down, but we the gamers shall hold it up.

Ugh, title is being read out of context. The article is basically saying that Uncharted 2 must surpass KZ2's pattern of sales growth. It isn't insinuating that it is not going to sell as well as KZ2. Granted, it will be interesting to see how the sales pattern of Uncharted 2 is. I am sure with some decent exposure via TV Marketing and good word of mouth, Uncharted 2 can easily reach its predecessor's lifetime sales of 2 million (say within 3-4 months). The only thing that might affect it's sales will be COD: MW2. I expect to see a sharp decline in November, but it will most likely pick up towards December and onward. For now we can only wait until launch and various sales reports.

I want the game I need a break from a market thats flooded with mainly FPS games

I for one do! But I don't think people are looking at the overall picture, I'll try to explain it the best way I can so don't eat me for lunch if I over simplify it or, under simplify it! First let me start off by saying the install bases are comparable to one another, meaning for the sake of this arguement brand X is equal to brand Y. Now let's just suppose brand X has 6 exclusive titles coming out, let's spead it out in the span of let's see 4 too 6 months! And we have brand Y coming out with lets see 2 too 3 exclusive titles in the same time frame, wouldn't it stand to reason that brand Y would actually sell more copies per titles? Especially since the exclusive titles ratio is smaller? Okay you do the math, now add let say 5 or 6 million to Y install base, I think it's self explanatory!!!!!!!!!!!!

its funny that they think the sales of a game define its excellence....... 1 example... how many album copies did solider boy sell..... n how many album copies did nas sell????we all know the answer 2 that... but does that make solider boy a better artist than nas????? we all know the answer 2 that.. i rest my case

i was really amped for this game, but being a strictly online only gamer playing the beta really killed it for me.....its so cheesy and cartoony how many shots it takes...especially with an ak

ill rent it to play the SP one prob....but i do want to support the PS3 exclusives so i may still buy it especially with the Toys R Us sale starting.....well see, but the multiplayer is definitely not my cup of tea

difference being here... KZ2 was released when the recession was having its biggest effect on the industry. Also no holiday sales for KZ2 (at least yet lol platinum has been released, right?)

Killzone 2, an underdog, sells over 2 million and it's a disappointment.

Halo: ODST, part of a proven franchise, sells the same and is considered a hit?

This site didn't call KZ2 a flop. Read between the lines a liiiitle bit and it's obvious that they meant that KZ2 didn't sell enough hardware.

People bought KZ2, but they didn't buy a PS3 for KZ2. That's their point.

game of 2009 goes too, uncharted 2:Among theives(created by developer naughty dog for PS3) Thank you so much for this award....(a rep for Gametrailers.com comes on stage and takes the mic and says...NAUGHTY DOG,I AM HAPPY FOR YOU,IM'A LET YOU FINISH BUT...HALO 3 IS CONSIDERED ONE OF THE BEST VIDEO GAMES OF ALL TIME!! (NAUGHTY DOG CEO STANDS THERE WITH A AWKWARD LOOK ON HIS FACE) BUT WAS ABLE TO SHOW A VIDEO OF DRAKES FORTUNE:AMONG THEIVES,DESPITE THE OUTBURST BY GAMETRAILERS.COM

People always forget to put these sales numbers in PERSPECTIVE!

The PS3 (even PS2) have NEVER had extraordinary sales figures on anything besides the odd multiplat' GTA or Gran Turismo. Look up the sales for the Metal Gear Solid series. One could argue that with the PS2's install base, they all bombed. But they aren't perceived that way. Why not?

Look up the sales for the God of War series. Same thing. NONE of these games even cracked 4 million on the PS2. God of War 2 sold 2.5 million with an install base of 120 million and is considered to be a hugely successful series. Nowadays people would be crying in their Cheerios.

Why the double standard for PS3 games lately? It's cuz the people writing these things aren't career gamers, they're Johnny-come-lately's who are too noob to remember gaming (and sales) before HDMI.

Killzone 1 sold something like 750,000 on an install base of 120 mil', yet somehow still good enough for a Greatest Hits tag. KZ2 almost TRIPLES that on a FRACTION of the install base...and people are crying?!?!

It's perspective kids, and peoples' perspectives have somehow gotten skewed and unrealistic since last gen'. You don't even need a math degree to figure it out. 2nd best selling FPS on the PS3 (Sony are not known for the FPS) and it may as well have been a new IP to boot after the poor reception of the first game and the drastic differences of the 2nd. Only higher selling FPS on the PS3 is the 1st Resistance game, and much of that can be attributed to it being a launch title, one of the few quality ones at at that.

Sounds to me like KZ2 did alright. It's all about looking at the big picture. Same way that you can't take someone seriously when they trash KZ2 while having 'Halo' in their username. Check your sources.

whats that supposed to mean?
KZ2 was amazing and U2 will be too

Like I already said, NO PS GAMES EVER really hit those numbers. EveRRR. Sales on the PS systems are more spread out than they are on the 360 where everyone just buys the same two brand name games en masse. You know which ones they are. With a little research (even go to VGChartz innacurate as they may be) you can see the differences between consoles. 5 years from now no one's gonna even remember or give a damn. All they'll remember is the game. It was 20 years before I even knew what the sales were for Super Mario Bros, cuz it never mattered, and still doesn't.

The game's "done it's job" by apparently being a fantastic game. That's it's job. If PS owners don't buy 10 million copies of it, which they won't, that's not the game's problem, and it shouldn't be your (or punchjump's) problem either.

Killzone 2 has sold approx. 2 million copies, that's a whole lot and more than most games ever will sell.

If someone spins this to be bad sales they need a reality check. PS3 games in total sell very good, with a user base of 25 million (compared to X360 32 million) it's selling games at a healthy rate and not far behind the X360 even with the difference in user base.

PS3 people are a lot more diverse than the X360 people, on the PS3 the sales is much better distributed between the titles. To stereo type, the X360 crowd are trigger happy FPS junkies, all of them buy CoD, Halo and Gears of War. It's not like that on the PS3.

It's healthy that it's not only 3-4 games on the PS3 that sell a lot, this means that a lot more developers are getting sales on the PS3, not a selected few getting 90% of the totals.

Come on, you all know KZ didn't sell anywhere near as much as expected, it deserved 5 million sales! Now I think uncharted should hit the 5 million mark, it looks even better, but more important, uncharted 1 was a real success, and it's far more appealing than the grey world with red-eyed guys of Killzone2.

Uncharted 2 could move a lot of consoles too.

History says it won't. I think the more realistic benchmark is for it to outsell Uncharted: Drake's Fortune. 2+ million copies is pretty darn good on a Sony console.

KZ2 wasnt really that fun for me. Actually I never even finished the game lol. I just couldnt stay interested. As for Uncharted that was a fun game and one of my ps3 favorites. Now that I played Uncharted 2 beta I know the multiplayer is going to be fun aswell as the single player. KZ2 doesnt have the fun factor and I know I will get alot of disagrees for that comment. I have played alot of entertaining games and KZ2 failed to do that for me.

Downplaying sales is such a defensive tactic. Regardless of how many copies Killzone 2 sold, it didn't set the world on fire like it should have. Yes, it's a good game but are you all telling me that you couldn't care less if it sold 10 million like the far less deserving Halo series has?

Uncharted 2 SHOULD be a huge success because by all accounts it deserves it but if Sony's past couple of stellar titles are any indication, it will sell well enough to make it a hit but not a blockbuster. So far the Sony exclusive to really do that was Metal Gear. I would LOVE for Uncharted 2 to hit those numbers. Lord knows I told anyone who would listen to buy the first one.

For the people who say that sales don't matter as long as the games are great, well you'll be in for a surprise in the future. Developers will take less risks with their games if they don't get enough money. This could range from the length of games, quality etc or even releasing a sequel. And this goes for all systems.

Just as PS3 fanboys are an emabrrassment to any real PS3 gamers, the PS3 fanboys here on N4G are even an embarrassment to other PS3 fanboys. They're just that bad. Talk about a bunch of delusional basket-cases. In case you don't know, the PS3 is still in dead last place, has the worst game lineup of any current generation console, has a poor online service, and has already dropped back down below the 360 in US sales, despite its $100 price drop and new Slim model.

thy uncharted 2 come.

had Sony kept a single price point, and lowered the system to $299 before Killzone 2 dropped...that game would have easily sold more than 2 million units. Sony is getting the point by putting themselves in great position.

Uncharted 2 is poised to surpass all of the previous PS3 games, in terms of sales. However, it's an adventure game, and should not be put in the same light of shooters. I know this will happen anyway, so I guess I can say: YES, Uncharted 2 can become a Killzone 2. In fact, going off Uncharted 1, (And the reviews of 2) this will NOT ONLY be the new number one game on the PS3, BUT one of the best exclusives in a long time.

Uncharted 2 will most likely match the sales on Uncharted 1. The fact is that Uncharted as well as KZ2 needs advertsing all the time like a Halo or CoD. Those games (Halo/CoD) are well known because they show commercials all day long.

KZ2 could still sale and extra 2 million this holiday and Uncharted 2 could sale 4 million, but without aggressive marketing they will not. Word of mouth only does so much, and since gamers have a bias, that could be a bad thing.

Point being Sony needs to advertise KZ2 still and push Uncharted 2. Its Oct already, where are the UC2 commercials????

I hope uncharted 2 does better.

It should though. Killzone 2 was a very good game but its weaknesses were the characters, the story, and the lack of variation in environments.

I know it had quite a few environments but they all were quite similar. Killzone 2 was an awesome game, with brilliant multiplayer, but it wasnt quite there.

But i think if they tweak it a little more with KZ3 they could have something incredible.

BUT uncharted 2 has the story, and the environment variation.

ouch touchy touchy

Honestly, I don't think sales MAKES a game good. But I do think games need to sell well to be a success. This is a business after all, and if a game doesn't sell, odds are we won't see much more of that series.

Honestly, KZ2 was a flop. It over-promised and under-delivered. Sure it sold 2 million copies... but, to echo the Halo detractors, that didn't make it a good game...

Absolutely a big impact on PlayStation but I'd say leadership is the key factor. When leadership changes so does the studio. Leadership is so important for the counties success of a developer.

I might be hated and downvoted but I don't care:

I wouldn't mind Sony to give us a remaster of the trilogy for PS5 and finally releases it on PC, or even remake Among Thieves.

It was such a well made game, you could tell how much love was poured into it.

Such a shame Amy Hennig got forced out and never got to be there when Nathan Drakes story ended.

That’s definitely an opinion.

One of the best ps3 games of all time imo. The adventure I felt in that game is still one of the best I've ever played. They did amazing with MP as well, god I miss it.

U2 set the standard for PS exclusives, and a standard for how stories were told in SP games in general. The seamless transitions from gameplay to cutscenes, fancier camera work, cinematic feel in in-game set pieces, organic voice acting/line delivery. Devs can deny it all they want but everybody was trying to be U2 after it's release. I prefer it over U4 even cause it's a much more straight forward game in its genre.

Final fantasy 7

From the very start the train sequence was wow… one of the best most memorable opening i can recall.

I love UC2, beat it many times on PS3, and beat it once for PS4, played tons of multiplayer as well. Most important? I wouldn't agree. A game that cemented the entirety of the PlayStation branding against its competition, not just a single company, would be more important.

Final Fantasy VII, Metal Gear Solid, Gran Turismo. Or if you want to count GTA III since it was a temporary exclusive and propelled PS2 hardware sales beyond what anyone could have ever imagined. After a single year on the market, PS2 took over nearly the entire console marketshare to itself.

i havent played 1,2,3 been a later bloomer only played thiefs end and lost legacy am i missing out

Absolutely is. It made uncharted 1 look so mediocre. It also set a bar so high, not just for gaming, but for Action Adventure games. I played the MP religiously and made some amazing friends through it. I especially loved mercing the ND devs.

Hopefully ND comes back swinging with the next game release. They sure know how to make quality storytelling