It's just annoying when they consider "Sales" = "Quality"

MS and their fans for all of this. Its was a way to create hype for the x360 and to put down PS3 games and the PS3 in general.

MS is all about image this gen so selling the most games and get kids to think that they are cool if they buy a particular game and be in with the crowd.

When did we start hearing bullcrap like we sold 3 million copies first day?. Yes MS. Halo 2 to be exact. It is how most x360 fans have measured how great a game is and a way to attack PS3 games even though PS3 games this gen have sold better compare to previous gens and are generally better then x360 games. Insecurity.

Its so different from previous gens where sales is an after thought but graphics and rating rules game debates. Gone are the days where its quite cool to play a rare gem that most people didn't play.

ICO is my second best PS2 game and yet i think it didn't sell 1/2 a million. To x360 fans its impossible to look forward to any sequel of a game that only sold 1/2 a million and yet most PS3 fans are highly anticipating TLG. Notice the difference.

It's really sad how websites, blogs or whatever could sometimes, if not always, blind anyone with sales. Take GTA IV and the Wii for example.

I have a feeling uncharted 2 will surprise a lot of people and do very well. I'd guess 4 to 5 million when all is said and done. You can already see the reviews are having an effect on preorders. Uncharted 2 has climbed within the top 10 at Amazon almost a month before its release. I'm not sure if the original Uncharted ever got within the top 20 and it ended up selling 2.5 million copies.

If Kia's and Mercedes both cost the same and Kia still outsold Mercedes there would be a problem somewhere in Germany.

-Death

Sales don't equal quality.

The only sale I care about is the number 1.
The 1 I purchase for myself.

who among you people played GT3 and said it was a freaking great because it sold 13 million copies?.

or

Played ICO and then thought it suck ass because it only sold 400k copies?.

You have to be a retard to think like that.

Some of my favorite games have sold very poorly. It all comes down to personal preferance. Rare is a good example on the Xbox of a developer that makes good games that sell poorly. While I also agree making fun of a game that only sells a couple million copies is ignorant, at the same time when a great PS3 game Like Valkyria Chronicles barely makes a blip on the radar, the PS3 owners that didn't buy the game are more to blame then the Xbox 360 owners that make fun of it.

-Death

Kia sells better than Ferrari too, and I believe the quality of some PS3 exclusives can be compare to a Ferrari.

I'm going to guess the Demon's Souls is barely going to crack 50,000 in the U.S.

But who cares? It's obviously getting good reviews for a reason.

Uncharted:DF has sold nearly 3 million copies to date (more than mass effect btw) so now it has become an established franchise for PS3. Everyone who bought the first game will most likely buy the sequel plus now with the slim relaunch and new price point there will be many new gamers wanting to buy it.

you count pack in as sales yea but by itself uc:df didn't move much more than 1.6 million. this one has more potental tho.

kia and mercedez don't cost the same like KZ and halo. so thats not a good comparision

Like I said. Sales doesn't make the game. The gameplay is what makes the game.

And I agree with you cmrbe. This AAA bullsh*t didn't come up until a certain group started using it.

That IGN quote was in reference to Uncharted 1.

The whole Sales == Quality thing is a gift to all the gamers around the globe from M$ and their lovel boys.. errmm.. FANBOYS!

This is quality apparently: http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Just recently, NBA10 or whatever was given a lower score on PS3 than on 360 because of "online issues". Yet that madness that is Gears 2 online gets a pass from reviewers and 360 fanboys still hold Socom Confrontation up as a terrible mess, which also took a hit from reviewers for "online issues".

....some bring up kia vs ferrari, but lets go to music, the beatles have sold like what, 100 million albums all total and no one would say that they put out low quality music as like all of their albums are usually listed in the greatest of all time.

My question is (dont flame me i have both systems and actually PLAY KZ2 and MGS4 regularly) if the games on the PS3 ARE in fact SO good, then why dont PS3 fans pick them up? I mean what, only like 9% of all PS3 owner pike up KZ2 but you look at Halo 3 and what around 35% of 360 owners have picked it up.

1 million sold is a great number and IS a hit. I think though the reason people scoff at it with like KZ2 is because SO may PS3 fanboys were going around calling KZ2 a Halo Killer and a game that would make people forget about Halo. Hell, if you go to youtube, one user, elpresador, made videos saying the 360 was done after KZ2 came out. It is fanboys like these making retarded claims that brings the hell fire of sales onto them. I mean like with Halo, how can you call a game a halo killer if it doesnt sell at the same pace as Halo?

At the end of the day, I play what I like regardless but, even I know sales can matter. Even if one says sales dont equal quality, the fact that a game sells like gangbusters SHOW that a group (sometimes a very LARGE group) of people liked a game and thought it was a quality title, to think otherwise is asinine. I will say though this argument is always brought up whenever a PS3 exclusive comes out and doesnt sell as many as a 360 exclusive (Heck, even MGS4 hasnt sold as many units as the first GEARS).

I mean if we went with the fanboy defense of sales doesnt equal quality, then you can say just because the PS2 has sold 140 mil units doesnt mean that it is and or was a good machine and that the fact it DID sale 140 mil (and growing) means nothing. Of course, we all know that the PS2 is a LEGEND in gaming but, like my example of the Beatles, the fact that it has sold what it has maeans that a ton of people think and or thought it was a great console at at least ONE point so high sales with quality is possible.

As far as uncharted 2, like many PS3 exclusives, it won't crack the 5 mil sold. Anything over 1 is great but PS3 fanboys have shown they dont buy (based on games sold vs console that are out there, which is what, considere the attach rate? I sometimes forget terms so, I am sorry) as many units of a given exclusive as 360 gamers buy for the 360 (look at say H3 vs KZ2, UC1 vs Gears 1, etc). It seems like the hardcore gamers will no doubt buy these games but the casual PS3 fan doesnt as much as a casual 360 fan does. I mean of the 10 mil H3s sold you cant tell me all 10 mil were from hardcore gamers.

Then again, PS3 games (especialy from SOny 1st party studios) are hardly ever advertised. I mean I have seen like 10 times as many Arkham Asylum commercials then Killzone 2 commercials.

Ah well, I wrote WAY too much, play what you like but don't hate on those who like the games you don't. It's childish and makes you look like a raging FANTARD.

That is the reason they have six Halo games, 5 of them being Haloless. Name a game after something that will not be in the following 5 sequels.

Should have called it Green Armour dude... Whoops, he won't be in a few of them too!

....first, officially there have only been 4 halo games released, not 6 (though the 5th is coming out in a few days) and to say 5 of them are haloless is retarded as well since, I dunno, the 3 MAIN GAMES all had the game ending up being PLAYED ON ONE OF THE HALOS. As far as Halo Wars, the COvenant were looking for artifacts that would lead them to a Halo, and we learn via Halo 1 and 2 that the covenant already knew of said Halos before Halo 1.

As far as ODST, the fight takes place during Halo 3 and we don't know yet if a halo is even in the game.

SImply put, don't make statements about something you know nothing about which you obviously dont know jack about the Halo franchise with your retarded comments that you make.

Why do you feel the need to say you own both consoles? Seriously, you are almost as bad as the journalists this article is talking about. I'm going to say what I believe to be true.
The fans hype games not the media! When fans start showing huge amounts of interest in a game the media responds. Now the only games on your favorite console(360) that really get hyped are Halo, gears, and ME... There are 2 main reasons for this. 1) 360 REALLY does not have a STELLAR lineup, the games are generic and all run on Unreal engine, so what happens is 80% of xbox owners will actually buy these titles because they are the best they got. 2) I have NEVER seen a 360 game (other then halo3) get hyped like PS3 titles NONE!! This is largely due to the fact that people expect the PS3 to outshine anything the competition has to offer, and so it should, as nothing the 360 has compares to recent exclusive's sony has dropped.
Your comment about graphics aren't everything is totally right, but the problem being with this is that the average gamer does not promote, review or advertise a video game. The media does that, and when it comes to the PS3 they do a fairly poor job. I wish everyone could actually let go of numbers of consoles sold or games sold and just focus on what your suppose to be doing.... HAVING FUN AND PWNING FOOLZ

"Maybe if sony were to take note from MS's advertisment team then they might be able to get U2 to sell as much as the legendary Halo3: 10million copies sold as of today."

You see, Sony spends $40mil on making games like Killzone 2 to ensure the highest quality exclusive possible.

MS spends millions on a marketing blitz.

And when Halo 3 launched, you got Halo 3 french fry holders and Halo 3 special cups.

So NOBODY, should compare any game to Halo 3 sales.

Sony spend more money making the game than advertising unlike MS. I don't own stock in Sony. I rather them create a great game for me as a gamer.

Legendary Halo 3 that sold 10 million?. Dude you just prove every PS3 fans point that you believe that sales make a good game. It still amazes me that you x360 fans think Halo 3 is legendary let alone a great game.

Did you read the article?

This article has nothing to do with hyping Uncharted 2, but it's a prediction about how some sites manufacture stories regarding sales to prey of the negativity inherent in some gamers. They'll manufacture a make believe problem, just like they did with LittleBigPlanet sales, to feed those that crave negative articles. It's just tabloid journalism that seems to infected the game biz.

The article isn't about Uncharted 2 at all. It's about how the game media has got away from reporting actual stories in favor of inventing issues for hits.

It's funny that you started making sales predictions because that's exactly the thing this article stated we need to stop doing as gamers. Unless your point was to be intentionally ironic, but I'm guessing you just didn't read or understand the article.

name says it all!

No you don't. Unless you use proper grammar and common sense, you don't. You expect people to believe you have both systems with a name like that?

10 million sales for your halo3, and M$ uses the $$$ to 'reward' 360 gamers with a $60 glorified DLC with zero upgrades and a 4-5 hrs campaign.

Get this right, sales =/= quality. If anything, the sales just showed M$ that mindless halo fans will buy anything with a halo name slapped on it.

I dont know if you just havent been paying attention or you just refuse to aknowledge quality. But, all of the glowing reviews not to mention those of us that have played the game through the online multiplayer beta know that this game is special..

I don't think his point was to be intentionally ironic, I think his point was to be intentionally moronic!