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Modern Warfare 2 still includes low-res wall textures

Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 still contains low res textures, such as walls. The following screenshot (in the source) shows the evidence.

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deadpoole6085d ago

I just dont get it ... they had 2 long years inorder to come up with new or improved compression tech. Thats not only the thing ... damn Menu UI (User interface) looks like crap.

And all about new streamin tech theyre all yappin about ... nothing as such exist... the article about image comparison between streamin on/off is BS/Retouched/Edited ... cuz u can clearly see that only character was affected nothin else no distant mountains, castle nothing just character. I might as well add that COD4 was not havin any streamin tech but characters at that distant looked fine and not low rez.

TBH its using the same engine as of MW1 with zero improvement and just like ODST made new maps, campaigns thats it and asking that ridiculous amount of money for MW2.

D4RkNIKON6085d ago

I agree with you 100%, I will still buy this game but I am getting it used because I feel it might be lacking in quality especially graphic wise also I hate Bobby Kotick..

wxer6085d ago

i honestly think because of the limitations of the DVD9

PLAYINB3YOND6085d ago

its becuase they have to cope with the last-gen specs of the 360. All the trailers,gameplay so far have been on 360 and no doubt its the dvd-9 limiting the textures.

Omega46085d ago

Blaming the 360 again *sigh*

The funny thing is i bet the 360 version will run smoother and look better......again

deadpoole6085d ago

DVD9 is not a factor ... Even ARMA 2 which is only PC based game where HDD space should not be a factor only requires 10GB space.

Real reason I believe is Developers are being lazy as hell when it comes to improving or creating much more optimized engine or Unreal Engine 3 if developers cant create their own engine.

This Gen Xbox 360 games are definately plagued by either lazy developers or UT3 engine based games.

mrv3216085d ago

Lets just check Omega4

High Res=More Space required
DVD-9= Less space then blu-ray

It isn't too far fetched.

wxer6085d ago

@mrv321
exactly my point
thank you

mastiffchild6085d ago

I'm, not agreeing with Omega here but by the same yardstick I don't think that it's the 360 holging the game back. More likely it's just that IW, good as they are, have found a formula and not every game gets a reworking like Uncharted2 got on top of the original, not this gen anyway. Most sequels have been fairly "meh" in terms of being upgraded as devs know if the last sold well the gaming sheep will fill their pockets the second time round if they just repeat the first with new skins(see L4D2 and it's vociferous defenders).

Honestly, for a lot of multi platform(and , sadly a few exclusive devs I can think of)devs this is the gen ofdoing as little as possible and in this case with the most money hungry publisher in the world behind them it's no shock IW aren't totally pushing MW2 tech wise. If it's gonna sell why would they bust a gut wasting extra cash?

nycredude6085d ago

In it's defense COD was never about top graphics but about gameplay, but I have to admit I wish they would work a little harder to make a better looking game.

Syronicus6085d ago

When I am running around and shooting the enemy, I am not taking time to look over the textures on the wall. If you do this, then please, let me know so I can keep you off my team if at all possible. Good god.

Omega46085d ago

@mrv321/wxer
Well what would rather have higher res textures or 30fps? Cause bluray certainly wont help the framerate.

@nycredude
Shame no one ever says that about Bungie

free2game3656085d ago

The limitations they're stuck with are designing the game around consoles that don't have much memory.

wxer6085d ago (Edited 6085d ago )

"Well what would rather have higher res textures or 30fps? Cause bluray certainly wont help the framerate. "

who the hell is talking about framrates ???????

@ soda
why dont you bring up some Exclusives ?

Omega46085d ago

@ Soda Popinsky
Sshhhh bluray makes better graphics dont ruin this for them

@wxer
Its very hard to have 60fps with very high res textures

Kushan6085d ago

So it has nothing to do with the fact that the game needs to run at a constant 60FPS? You do realise that if the game was locked to 30FPS, you can essentially have twice the detail on screen at once? Or, alternatively, 60FPS means you have to suffer less detail on screen. If you don't believe me, go look at the DLC maps, they look the same and they're under no such limitations.

wxer6085d ago (Edited 6085d ago )

@Omega4

"Sshhhh bluray makes better graphics dont ruin this for them"
so dose the 360 got a game as good as uncharted 1 or 2
or killzone2 ?
or any other PS3 title ?

and
yah just like in GOW3 and GT5
full 1080P and 60 fps in the same time is very hard
.. oh wait

Ju6085d ago

"not every game gets a reworking like Uncharted2"

No, but they sold, what 12M copies of MW1 (CoD4). If there's someone out there making money, then its Activision (and IW). I think they should re-invest that cash we, the gamers gave them, to make a better game - especially if they want that money again!

Not sure if DVD can't handle it, might well be though (- why not use hire assets for the PS3 only ? - oh wait, someone would be pissed).

Could be the 60fps limitation as well. And I still think 30+ fps sustained (never below 30, but a average of say 35 or so) is still sufficient, if you could ramp out the visuals instead. I'd rather go with that - (reaction time is still <=33ms, so don't get me that BS, that you NEED 60 fps for a fast shooter).

Anyway, that texture was embarrassing in MW, in CoD5, and is still there in MW2...

Omega46085d ago

@wxer
Well if ND for some strange reason decided to make a 360 version of Uncharted we would be able to see which console is better, but since they arent we will never know, all we got to go on is the multiplatform games which are on both consoles and the fact is, the 360 runs them better and without bluray. And it wouldnt surprise me if it could run Uncharted better too but like I said before we will never know cause ND doesnt develop for the 360.

As for GT5 its a racer, and GOW 3 the textures arent all that high res. Plus I said it was hard to do not impossible

DevastationEve6085d ago

The only thing last gen about Xbox 360 is the DVD drive. Specs-wise it's a very capable HD gaming console.

And Wxer, God of War 3 and GT5 will most likely not be 1080p. That's too much to demand from PS3's memory bandwidth and still want to be doing exceptional realtime graphics. Most developers will chose to lower the res to 720p and take the extra processing power and less strenuous demands of the framebuffer in that scenerio over being able to say that a game is 1080p, yet not be as complex.

WhittO6085d ago (Edited 6085d ago )

It really is down to the Devs.

I was playing the Uncharted 2 beta last night with amazingly crisp/high res textures, lighting and that had a very silky smooth framerate (even when things like a tank ploughing through the map lol, which looked amazing with all of the bricks etc collapsing).

Really, looks like IW havent made many improvements to the engine, just tried to do the best they can with what they had before, i mean the snow looks exactly like their dust/mud effects only a diff colour lol.

LorD6085d ago

Are you stupid, or do you just like to pretend you are on online discussions?

Do you work at Infinity Ward right now?
Are you working on MW2 as we speak?

Do you even know ANYTHING about game development??

Of course you don't, you just like to yap your mouth and prove your ignorance.
I know a few guys who work at IF, and are working on MW2, and there's been quite a few improvements on the engine. Also, its all not just plug-n-play with code. If they do a lot of drastic changes, you are looking at introducing a lot of bugs, mistakes, ect.

So please, next time you want to call developers lazy (this goes to all of you), maybe you'd do better just STFU and NOT buying the damn game instead.

wxer6085d ago

"Well if ND for some strange reason decided to make a 360 version of Uncharted we would be able to see which console is better,"

go back to school and learn to read
my question was
"dose the 360 got a game as good as uncharted 1 or 2"

"GOW 3 the textures arent all that high res"

GOW3 got not that high res textures ???????????

hows life in mars ??

@ApocalyPS3
GT HD Concept
Gran Turismo 5 Prologue

already runs at full 1080P and 60fps
and gow3 confirmed that it'll run in full 1080P

LazyDevs6085d ago

They don't look anymore low res than Killzones 2 wall textures.

Ju6085d ago

@LorD, calm down man. I wouldn't call out the devs lazy, as someone in development I can understand. What I do not understand is the goal setting. This is more a management decision then a technical problem. Activision and IW made a sh!t load of money. Sure they want to do it again. But I demand from the people who make decisions in that company, that they sit back, take that huge pile of cash and try to improve wherever they can. This also implies giving the engineer enough time to think things through and max the tech, not just the wallet. That's all I want (and this targets management way more then the engineers).

DevastationEve6085d ago (Edited 6085d ago )

Most of the space taken up by a game is in its multimedia files, anything that requires a bitstream to quantify its quality. Textures, audio, and movies.

Level geometry, meshes, character models, folliage, a.i., etc, these things are just sets of rules and math. So their file sizes tend to be smaller than multimedia files. The real advantage of using bluray is only for having higher resolution video and audio, since textures can still be small enough even at high resolutions (using certain compression technologies)). That same concept of compression also works with audio and video.

Having as much space as a bluray makes compression less important...BUT no less useful.

What really determines how good the game looks is the capabilities of the hardware. And of course the skill of the developers working with that hardware is just as important. So given the fact that most PS3 fans want to say that PS3 games are better, it's only because the developers are just that good. But both PS3 and Xbox 360 have amazing potential, and Xbox 360 especially should receive a lot more respect.

Sony's just been fortunate to have made good friends with great developers. Microsoft needs to do the same.

edit at the disagree:

There really isn't anything to logically disagree with since it's all fact. So you're just disagreeing with me personally, which means you've taken my statement personal...you don't have to.

UnwanteDreamz6085d ago (Edited 6085d ago )

Look what a surprise Omega is in here running at the mouth about the PS3. I can't believe you can even try to say that Uncharted could possibly look better on XBOX360.

Name the best graphical powerhouse on the 360 and I can name a PS3 game that looks better. All you have to support your claims are multiplat games. As if multiplats set the bar.

Anyone calling themselves a "gamer" should be able to see the point here. IW made tons of money of of the first MW and the fact that they haven't improved much over the sequel should anger fans and gamers.

Your arguments are ridiculous at best.

Not that you aren't expected to show up in everything pertaining to the PS3.

Bobby Kotex6085d ago

You people need to be more thankful that I didn't charge $70 for this game.

DevastationEve6085d ago (Edited 6085d ago )

There are plenty of great examples of Xbox 360's capabilities, you just don't want to give them that credit.

And as far saying that "x game looks better than x game" that's just a matter of opinion. Your opinion shouldn't cloud your ability to see the facts. And the facts are pretty simple, both machines have great games. The whole nonsense of trying to outdo each other or trying to claim superiority is just childish.

edit:

Lol at the disagrees with my statement above about GoW 3 and GT5 not being 1080p. That just further proves it that there are such uninformed people here. Okay, well if believing that they'll be 1080p makes it easier to sleep whatever! Not my concern, I stick to the facts.

justaddh306085d ago

let's be honest, you're going to buy it anyway though

evrfighter6085d ago

oh my god low res wall textures!?!?!?!!??!

that so gonna kill the experience. console gamers from both camps are expecting their console to perform graphical miracles. That is NOT happening this gen.

I have KZ2 i've seen Uncharted 2 gameplay. Trust me it is NOT happening this gen.

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darthv726085d ago

it will stop people from buying the game?

Like it really matters.

KRUSSIDULL6085d ago

Dont see why Blu-Ray is so important yet games doesnt take me than 7 gigs yet only a few ones like JRPGS where there are like 12 Hours of CGI movie or large audio files.

JasonPC360PS3Wii6085d ago

Did they have to cope with last gen 360 specs or dvd9 issues when low res games like MGS4, MGO, GTAIV (PS3) Ghostbusters (PS3 was lead) Haze or any other COD game on the PS3?

So what was the problem there?

Syronicus6085d ago

PC games do not run off the disc, they install to the hard drive so there is no comparison to PC and console. Last I knew, the requirements for Crysis are 12 gig free on the HDD of your PC.

Oner6085d ago

@ free2game365 ~ Uhmmm, you make absolutely no sense. How do you explain that the 360 & PS3 BOTH HAVE THE SAME AMOUNT OF RAM available to be used?

raztad6085d ago

If I remember correctly IW said they maxed out the xbox360. Not details of what this means but it's clear they struck a wall regarding the xbox version.

PtRoLLFacE6084d ago

thats probably the console version cuz there no way in hell those textures will appear in the pc version

bjornbear6084d ago

Two details:

RGB Full Range

Super White

;)

MNicholas6084d ago

running on an engine built for the 360 then ported to the PS3 so it's not going to be taking advantage of either platform even less the PS3.

What's more, they've got an engine that didn't get too many complaints about the first time around so why spend millions of dollars improving it? The smart choice is to fine tune the LOD parameters a bit, tweak the art a little bit, and charge $60 for essentially a new set of maps.

Easy money.

Even Gears of War 2, a console exclusive was little more than an LOD/Art tweak. Gears 2 even used some of the same maps but downgraded environmental geometry and draw-distance to accomodate slightly better assets in other areas. You'll see this sort of thing more on the 360 because there really isn't much that can be done technically but developers with smaller budgets on any platform will do the minimum changes in order to minimize development costs. The more changes you make the more bugs you have to fix and the greater the chance you'll face unexpected delays. It's that simple.

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Silence6085d ago (Edited 6085d ago )

While you're looking at those low res textures, I'll be sniping you from a distance

deadpoole6085d ago

Hahaha ... you wont find me cuz u wont be able to differentiate between low rez texture ... u might hit the low rez wall.

SupaPlaya6085d ago

if my blood on the wall will be low rez as well. If yes I'll be pissed cause I'm rich in blood cells lol...

BTW since they are looking so close at the wall, you can probably just run up and knife them

DARK WITNESS6085d ago

forget sniping...

if you really want to get on their nerves, M16 with Red dot. they will be crying in the lobby !

or the random frag from hell ! ( please note; when i throw a frag it's with intent to kill ! They are never random, use the third eye ;-) that sounds so wrong lolol )

PROFIT6085d ago

if thats your kid, god bless. thats one adorable kid

SupaPlaya6085d ago

that's picture I saw off of one of the article here: 50 funniest gaming wallpaper or something like that.

D4RkNIKON6085d ago

I love how people seem to shift what it is they care most about.. "Multiplat graphics are better on 360.. Graphics don't matter, game play does, Sales aren't importiant, We sold more coppies on our console.." Why is it that no one cares that the low res textures are as sign of poor quality. They didn't give it their all and that is all I am saying.

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mrv3216085d ago (Edited 6085d ago )

Uncharted 2 beta looks awsome, I know I'm bringing up a PS3 game but it's my most recent on any console and it would be fair to compare it to DIg Deep(which is AMAZING) and all I can say is how much I regret downloading the Uncharted 2 beta, I haven't played another game and when I do(tonight) I know for a fact it can never stand up to Uncharted 2 quality. The texture don't look flat, the enviroment awsome and the random encounters ARE AWSOME!

COD:MW2 is on my must buy second hand list because I don't want Actision to get more of my money.

@The Disagrees by comparing one game to another game I am biased in which game all reviews should be 10/10. Comparing games is what we do all the time, by disagreing you are comparing simply put I like COD 4, I adore the gameplay but I have never said it looks the best.

Kushan6085d ago

They're probably disagreeing because your comment is almost completely off-topic or because your comparison makes no sense (A multi-platform FPS built on an Engine that dates all the way back to Quake 3 vs. a TPS built on brand-new engine, custom designed for the hardware its running on?).

mrv3216085d ago

Fair point, but my comment is directed at the REDICULOUS amount of hype COD 6 is getting, I am partially annoyed that more people have probably watched COD 6 than know about R&C A crank in time.

I believe COD 4 was a fun game, hard to deny but it doesn't deserve the hype it gets in my opinion.

NaiNaiNai6085d ago

whats it matter. are you really going to sit there and look at a wall instead of shooting people.

I mean really this is petty.

I still play PC games and I turn my textures down to low so I can get the game to run fast. doesn't ruin my gaming experience, actually makes it better since the game runs smoother.

heres my question would

A. want massive graphics and 10FPS
or
B. want good graphics with some low textures you will never look at and high FPS.

N4G king6085d ago

so now its not about graphics but about gameplay
but when it comes to ports
and the 360 gets a better graphics than the PS3
its the other way around ??

common you guys
this is really hurting my brain

is it about graphics of
is it NOT about graphics ??

Gamer_Politics6085d ago

i dont care about the low-res textures i'll be too busy ranking up and getting head shots online

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PunksOnN4G1010d ago

The DOG is legit Broken if ur hiding in a room or grass he turns his head even if ur behind a closed door he turns his head and barks letting them know where u at thats PAY TO WIN!!!!!

LucasRuinedChildhood1010d ago

I hope all the assholes who buy these get stuck in lobbies with each other. I skipped new COD games for a long time and a short time with MW2 convinced me to go back to on a hiatus.

With the skill-based matchmaking (engagement-based would be more accurate), I imagine this will make the game even more miserable for most players when the matchmaking has decided it's time for a tough lobby.

I played the OG MW2 recently on the Series X and it's disheartening how much more fun it is. I don't even care about the balance issues anymore. lol

PunksOnN4G1010d ago

My friends dont play with me anymore i am former pro player and i even streamed on MLG for RX gaming the team i played for... My KD is always high 5-6kd my friends who i went to school with are not good wht so ever so with SBMM kicking in its always putting us in TOP TIER lobbys and they cant hang now they dont even tell me when they getting on LOL

ManMarmalade1010d ago

I recently started playing OG MW2 again and I'm having a blast. Feels like I'm in high school again.

fr0sty1010d ago (Edited 1010d ago )

Welcome to COD under MS. It's all downhill from here, they're going to be looking to make that $68B back as fast as possible, at any expense to the player.

StarkR3ality1010d ago

The deal hasn't even closed yet you pleb. CoD has been doing stuff like this since the loot boxes in WWII.

Nice try though pal.

TheColbertinator1009d ago

Activision has never needed Microsoft or anybody for that matter to act like greedy bastards

PunksOnN4G1010d ago

why did my 2nd comment about SBMM get downvited LOL?? Do we have people who Enjoy trash SBMM tbh make sense it caters to LOW KD players and u will never get better playing with the same trahs everyday LOL

andy851010d ago

Probably gonna see more of this BS once the deal is fully done..Gotta recoup that 70B.

Jin_Sakai1010d ago (Edited 1010d ago )

Look at Minecraft. The game hasn’t went anywhere since Microsoft bought them. No 4K, no 120fps, no graphics pack, and no Ray Tracing. Just some new biomes, mobs, and more skins as usual.

Same could be said about Rare. Who knows what will happen to Activision once they’re under Microsoft’s roof. We can all take a good guess though.

PunksOnN4G1010d ago

TBH they did update it by accident then they pulled the update down on xsx and xss i remeber the XSX version having ray tracing but the S did not. Then after people seen that it was updated it was removed that same day

peppeaccardo1010d ago

No way !!! Nobody wouild think they would monetize on items that weak asses will use to get advantage during multiplayer action !!! I would never think they would do that ... I mean is a free to play game after all ! /S
Wait once M$ will put their greasy hands all over Activizion and you will see what awaits the "lucky" ones who will play this slot machine of a game. Sooooo Lame !

jznrpg1010d ago

They way it works is you give them money and more money and more money.

anast1010d ago

It's a true phenomenon that people haven't figured this out yet.

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