If bungie r SOOOO great then how cum they only ever make Halo games?

Diversify man

Edit. @Locos - Yep - it looked REALLY polished 2 me

because "they spend more time polishing gameplay" than any other studio.

They could have spent more time upgrading the outdated graphics. If you see he gameplay in videos it does like quite generic but I could be wrong.

In terms of gameplay MW2 and Battlefield BC2 will put this overtated game in it's place, you can hate me for this but gameplay in L4D is better than this

Sending out bribes to reviewers is not 'custom'.

Feel free to provide some evidence that other games get anything even remotely close to a bag of gifts from the publisher that is valued at some 900+ dollars like Microsoft was forced to resort with Halo 3.

Journalist to MS: Take your $800 Halo 3 bribe back, Halo 3 isn't all that:

http://forums.maxconsole.ne...

Developers who makes great, or even good games don't need to bribe reviewers. If Microsoft was so worried about review score that they had to resort to sending out large bribes to reviewers it certainly doesn't sound like they thought Bungie's efforts were 'brilliant'.

Here's a picture of the giant bag of freebies Microsoft gave reviewers:

http://www.smoothharold.com...

Ye id like to see them move on now, like they said they would but..

Like to see an entire new game/franchise and see how that turns out, prob be great aswell.

Would Naughty Dog still be as amazing without Uncharted now, if they kept making Crash Bandicoot games for ps3 lol, or Insomniac without Resistance.

Id like to see what they could come up with as Halo is being Bled dry !!

so true!

You say HALO have bad A.I. ...lmao... Then you need to look at this clip of KillZone 2

Edit.... The full game is even like that so don't even try to say it's just the demo. I should know since I (had) it.

"Microsoft explains why Bungie is brilliant"

well...... because they makes money for you ????

Microsoft loves anything that makes money

well
im kinda sure that bungi wont be as successful as they was on halo

edit:
@ ^^^^
KILLZONE 2 ""Demo""

@ whitto

If Halo CE had been on the ps2, I would probabily be a ps3 fanboy wright now ! thank God is wasn't.

Halo got me back into videogames. The look, controls, quirky personality of the enemies, and the music were just incredible. The first time I piloted a banshee I had to call someone. I once got a girl I was dating at the time, who had never played a videogame before, to play this game with me from beginning till the end one day. She loved it. Part 2 was sort of a let down, and unfortunately I've never played the 3rd one for any extended period of time, but I've got nothing but respect for Bungie.

tens of millions of dollars? like maybe $60,000,000.00? because that's the production cost of KZ2...

Both Microsoft and Bungie are realizing how screwed they are after they separated.

Microsoft is faced with a first party lineup that is a complete joke:

Rare
Lionhead
Turn 10

Bungie is now faced with having to make games that will have to sell on their own worth and not have tens of millions of dollars flooding every type of media and spending the wads of cash required to assure 9+ review scores.

Bungie was a mediocre developer before they got bought by Microsoft and became a mediocre developer with hundreds of millions at their disposal.

Pathway Into Darkness
The Marathon series
Myth

Not really bad games, just your average middle of the pack games only notable because there was almost nothing else to play on Macs.

@Alcon Caper

"Killzone 2's development cost over US$20 million.[48]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

pls check your info

Amazing they now split up with MS and MS are all over them co-incidence? Seems like MS are doing this to keep Bungie exclusive maybe theres a multi-platform title in the works? Obviously not halo but maybe something else.

i wasnt talking about Halo CE, that was a great game for the time and had alot of new things that seperated it from everything else.

You cant say the same for Halo 3 though can you !?
Thats what im talking about, they need to start something fresh, a new franchise, the "Next Halo". Instead of 10 diff versions of what is basically the same game lol.

The 10 or so haters will be explaning to us why Bungie is not, typical. Cause lets not forget kids, its cool to hate on what is popular. And lets also not forget the put on the tin foil hats, cause them MS rays are the strongest.

Bungie is a great dev, end of story. And if I where MS I would be the first to parade them around as a brilliant dev. All you kids taking this as a personal insult need to grow up and remember that game companies are not big robots fighting in the sky, they are just people that enjoy what they do and try to bring out a produt for us gamers. grow up.

Now dissagree with this comment and go back to your little caves dreaming of a world where the marginalist (enthusiasts) actually mattered and are not the bottom of the barrel of this amazing industry.

That video doesnt show Ai - that video shows a glitch

I suppose when you don't make your game run at 720P, not use dedicated servers, keep character models very modest and low key, and get rid of an engaging/interesting storyline then you can focus on gameplay more right?

Let's have this discussion again after Uncharted 2 is out. I'll bet my bottom dollar that Naughty Dog delivers a better full package experience in every way over Halo 3 and it'll be their first online multiplayer game to boot on a console.

I will say I like that Bungie keeps supporting their games with DLC unlike most developers. As for their level of success well hell we'd all be champs with Microsoft's bank covering the expenses right?

so zlatko, what you are saying is the the MS sports games are legendary and keep thriving because they where backed with MS money? Do I really need to bring up a list of all the failed ms studios games that where total failures and all backed by MS.

btw, this has nothing to do with other amazing devs like Naughty Dog or Insomniac, we don`t need the little Sony cheerleaders to tell us that they make great games, we know that, the thing is most of us can actually admit that there are great devs and games on both sides of the fence, and you guy shate that. sad sad sad...

@ whitto

lol, as much as i hate to say it, you are correct ! I believe halo CE was the best and i have always said that.

Why did Halo 2 suck so much then?

Not the multiplayer, but the single player was awful. Only played through it once.

news flash DeepInterludium, you dont matter. Just because you didnt like it, it does not mean everyone did not like it. You do understand that right? Or do you think everything revolves around you belly button?

So you went and changed the video. That still doesn't show me bad AI. It just shows a glitch..... Here is another one for you on how bad Halo 3 AI is.

Ohh and BTW I also (had) it. Game was good but not great.

Edit @ Below- Thats the video a_cold_sould had before.

but he had it as a demo

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

stupid AI is a comon place in gaming atm and every great shooter is a victim of it now and then...

Its safe to say you havent played killzone 2 to have said it has a bad AI, and that vid shows a glitch not AI.

How many first party studios does Microsoft have? Bungie and...uuh Bungie? Of course they are going to parade around the only one they have. EPIC does multiplatform, Lionhead studios has done PC games, and last I checked there weren't any others having made exclusives for 360.(Unless you want to count Ninja Blade earlier this year...)

You mention other games supported by Microsofts pay roll and I doubt in a million years they had nearly the same budget to work with as Bungie.

It's WAY harder to make a crap game when you have a lot of money to work with, but of course there are those rare exceptions to the bunch.

The point is if we a contrast and comparison of what Bungie has accomplished to many other AAA exclusive companies Sony has working for them, well then Bungie sucks. I don't hate them by any means, because with them and Microsoft gaming is a bit more main stream which is always a good thing. Plus, like I said earlier they support their games with great DLC content for their players.

If I had beef with any developer this gen that I really feel is over rated to the max it'd be EPIC games. Gears 1 and 2 I really feel are testaments to what being a lazy game developer will give the consumers. I get Gears 1 didn't have a beta test, but you'd think after the first they'd roll out a beta test to kill off how easy glitches, bugs, and broken the online component is. They didn't and in fact made the multiplayer much worse than the first. It all could've been fixed with dedicated servers for Gears 2, but apparently over 2 million says world wide isn't enough money for EPIC to give the fans and consumers something they deserve.

Bungie at this point doesn't flat out suck, but when they drop Halo to actually roll out a new franchise is when we can deem how good or bad they are at what they do.

Is this for real? Stop milking this franchise already, and try to be a little original Bungie. The sheep can only take so much of a bland sci-fi shooter, try something new ffs.

Brilliant? lol, never. There are 3 brilliant devs making amazing games on the PS3 for every cookie cutter 360 dev backed by MS.

The usual Halo bashers are at it again. I don't see what the big deal is with his comments? He thinks Bungie are great developers. Lots of people do.

i'm sure all the haters that want to see bungie "do something else" all feel that way about polophony digital rite??? if you all want to see bungie craft a new franchise, then i'm sure that you must want to see PD make something other than Gran tourismo!!!

if not, please feel to take your hypocritical selfs into the open zone

"What's cool about Halo games is, you can be a year out from their actual street date, and the game's playable.

well i guess that just shows how easy it is to keep making the same game.... over and over and over again

btw i didn't read this

Stop milking it??? Are you serious???

Lets look at some PS3 franchises. Gran turismo is up to number 5, God of War is up to number 3, Ratchet & Clank has at least 5 iterations already, Tekken had 5 sequels while it was PS exclusive. Do you have any problems with those franchises being "milked"?

Nothing brings out the haters like Halo. The better you are, the more you will be hated. Some people hated Michael Jordan (mostly fans of teams he beat), people hate Tom Brady, People hate Kobe Bryant. It's the ultimate sign of respect.

EDIT @ below - you prove my point. Bungie has been around for a shorter time than those studios, yet they are accused of "milking". If Bungie should move on to a new IP, those studios should have moved on years ago.

EDIT - You're right, but Halo came to Xbox in 2001. How many sequels are allowed before it's considered "milking"?

They have, Tourist Trophy, Omega Boost, Motor Toon Grand Prix
@soxfan how long has PD been making GT's ? 1997, How long has bungie been making halo games ? 2001, When did god of war begin? since 2005, and its only its third game, How long has ratchet been out ? Since 2002, How long has tekken been out ? Since 1994 and on Playstation 1995.

Edit: Soxfan, Bungie is older than all of those studios, they where founded in 1991

so what how long PD have been making GTs. and in all the time that they have been making them, all they have done is update the graphics and car counts....they still dont even have a proper damage model ffs.

so, it's alrite for them to milk the franchise whilst changing very little, but if a franchise on the hated rivals consoles follows the same path as arguably sonys biggest franchise, that equals being milked and being exploited???

the double standards and hypocrisy are incredible!!

The swarm of jealous fanboys will come running and all they do is hate while blindy worshipping their other God.

Well I have bad news for you, because clearly the public sees it differently and many many more people will enjoy Halo 3:ODST with me. All the haters can sit here, complain and bicker!!!

@wxer

KZ 2's dev cost was an estimated 20 million and they had already hit that mark in 2006-2007. A year later, the got it up to 40 million before advertising, with another year of delay, 60 million is about right. Your "research" needs to go beyond wikipedia.

@soda, you can't say that on N4G; it's blasphemy.

@Alcon Caper
proof PLS

and you know that wiki is the most reliable source
and BTW 11 person disagreed with you

You see thats the difference, Sony doesn't have to explain why Naughty Dogs are so awesome..

"and you know that wiki is the most reliable source"

LMAO...no! Anyone can edit wikipedia, but they did put a source on that statement you provided.

It says that KZ2 cost $20 million to date, and that was posted back in 2007. Obviously the KZ2 cost went up by the time it released.

http://news.spong.com/artic...

When I have said anything about milking and anything bad about halo ? I just replyed to soxfan, learn to read and not get so defensive

"Killzone 2's development cost over US$20 million.[48]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

pls check your info "

check your own info. That wiki source is not confirmed by GG. The majority have estimated 40-50 million. this is an estimation as well.

That has nothing to do with the AI dinkledwarf. It is obvious you haven't an idea of what you're talking about, as Killzone 2 has some of the most life-like AI in shooter history. But you wouldn't know that, would you? What with you having sex with your 360 all night.

You're a complete fool to even attempt to defend the AI in Halo 3 in the fist place. You manage to look even more coy and stupid to take on that tone with a user as well respected as Locos. If you intend to become a regular user, you better not try to pull anything like that again or this communtiy will chew you up and spit you out just like I am right now.

The bottom line is the audacity you have to come on here and try to get attention by criticizing one of the most technically flawless games ever released is just stupid. You're even more of a moron than I initially thought seeing as how you cannot seem to realize I'm speaking in the context of the website itself. It also makes it very clear that when you try to defend dumb ass grunts running at with almost no intent to kill you with one video of an ONLINE GLITCH from Killzone 2, you're just trying to counter an exclusive with an exclusive. If you even have played the game, I'm almost positive you played it on the easy setting in which the AI is designed to make mistakes. I don't even understand why you brought up a PS3 game like Killzone 2 in the first place. If I didn't know better, I'd say that smells like 360 fanboy malice.

Dude do you realize what you just wrote?

"try to get attention by criticizing one of the most technically flawless games ever released is just stupid."

What you just said is stupid really stupid ... No game is freaking flawless I don't care how much money and man hours they put into it.

LOL..."Flawless"... did you really see the video of the so call glitch?

Btw to answer your question of "I don't even understand why you brought up a PS3 game like Killzone 2 in the first place."

Like I said I have never played Halo 3 ... but I have played KZ2 which is also a first person shooter that's why I used it as a example but I guess I should have use a less popular ps3 game like Resistant fall of Man .... -_-

Don't even come with that I'm a fan-boy crap just because I think KZ2 is crap don't make me out to be a MS fan-boy ... anyway like I said before I don't even own a 360 (Yet)

When I say flawless, don't act like I mean absolutely perfect. Of course every game has their faul, but games like Uncharted 2 and MGS4 ARE nealry perfect. It just so happens that the PS3 hardware is what gets them to that elevated level that most games cannot reach.

http://www.n4g.com/ps3/News...

http://gamevideos.1up.com/v...

http://www.viddler.com/expl...

Many agree that Killzone 2 AI is very good. How you can say it's bad simply baffles me.

And until you can tell me one single game out right now that is even close to Killzone 2 on a technical level, I stand by my statement. I don't even know why your comparing ANY games at all. This article is about Halo so why couldn't you just leave it at that? Oh yeah, you're on the 360 side.

Listen bud, I own both games and I'm going to tell you right now that the Killzone 2 AI absolutely smashes that of Halo 3. There's no comparison at all. Halo 3 is by no means an ugly looking, poor running game at all either. But I will say that the psysics are the only thing going for it.

The way you present your messages just makes it look like you're attacking the PS3 and Killzone 2. Hit me up on PSN tonight. My handle is the same, killjoy3000. I'll be waiting for your message.

if you think kz2 and mgs4 are perfect. You have low standards.

sure........i never played, i own a 60gb PS3, played nearly all the major exclusive on PS3 all of them suck balls, Not a single one is good...expect for MGS4 now that was excellent. since i am also a MGS fan but hey good news MGS is on Xbox 360! Who needs PS3 now! btw thats MGS4 was the only reason i bought it. Also i can give you my PSN ID, then we can see who never played what, making accusations without of knowledge, now how DO YOU know i never played it. El stupido.

Yes Halo did destroy sony layed the smackdown to last postion, Halo has bought fear into PS3 fan boys lifes, they cant sleep at night becoz halo killing all thier games, and taking over the gaming scene.

oh yah sure all the ps3 games sucks
yaaaah no one needs a PS3
only those million of ppl that got it and the millions of ppl buying the slim
knows the PS3 sucks and they don’t need it
oh yah
and no one is playing the ps3
that's why when im online i find all those ppl playing
yah they are no ones
and yah sure
halo did destroy the PS3 and the wii
the 360 is the most over all selling console
with 100000000000000000000000000000 0 million xbox sold
while the wii and the PS3 only sold 1 million combined

man when im out i cant find PS3 or wii's
why
because halo destroyed them right so sony and Nintendo stopped selling them
?
and yah PS3 fanboys got no games at all
they only got like 20 or something AAA games
(sarcasm off)

ps: dont give me the PSN ID crap
anyone can get it by just registering on the PS3 web site

_

IF you want the best example of one trick ponys look no further than Naughty Dog.

What have they done before Uncharted that was any good?? what are they doing after Uncharted 1? oh thats right another Uncharted 2.

But there is nothing wrong with them doing that because its on the PS3?? and according to Droids, is the best game ever made.
You know and i know, that Naughty Dog and Sony are gunna try and ride the Uncharted train (like MS and Bungie) for as long as they can. And thats fine and good on em.

Why change the cake or make another cake, if you still like the original cake???

Im happy to see that the PS3 finally has a game that acctually stands out head and shoulders above the rest. But in comparison to Halo, Uncharted is still the little brother, who is yet to have his growth spurt.

"What have they done before Uncharted that was any good?? what are they doing after Uncharted 1? oh thats right another Uncharted 2. "

Are you f!cking retarded? Ever heard of Crash Bandicoot? Or how about Jak and Daxter? Try not to let your a*s do all the talking next time. Sony seems to be the only one that has pumped out many original IPs this generation. Your ignorance baffles me.