Only for developers who have games on anything other than a PS3.

By the time hackers figure it out properly, it'll likely be a yr or 2 before (or even after) the PS4 launches. Imagine the savings developers and publishers would have gotten in that time period that ordinarily would have gone to gaming pirates.

I just thing publishers and developers that put their product on anything outside of the PS3 have only themselves to blame. The PC market is a different type of beast and though they lose an insane amount, it's not entirely too bad on developers... or so I've been led to believe.

"By the time hackers figure it out properly, it'll likely be a yr or 2 before (or even after) the PS4 launches."

And what? it'll still be based on a revised cell and blu-ray. The technology will remain the same. so It would take about 2 days before ps4 games were cracked.

If they were to completely change the architecture of the cell psu. That's asking for a major backlash of all dev's who invested much time and much money into developing for the ps3.

Yeah, I can imagine most devs being really pissed off if Sony ditches the cell BE in the PS4. All that time and effort put in to programming for this overly complex CPU, just to have it go out the window and have to learn a new architecture from scratch for the next gen.

How did what I say imply that BioWare makes less than enjoyable games? I didn't. The counter-piracy measures that are being taken here are more or less being targeted at the completely wrong group which are the legitimate customers. They're not hurting pirates at all, they're hurting the customers who buy their product.

Thanks for the wholly unnecessary clue.

I even have a Lieutenant Commander Shepard limited edition HyperChild figurine #5 of 2500 that is officially licensed Mass Effect merchandise by BioWare.

I've been PC gaming for a long time, I know how good BioWare games are you don't need to tell me. I still have an unopened Baldurs Gate II: Shadow of Amn box right on my PC desk.

Then your perspective is still misguided.

Yeah, SecuROM isn't the best, and it could be better, but it is a necessary creature due to what people have done. Yeah, sure, people who don't pirate are getting annoyed, but take that away and the only people getting hurt are the ones who are supposed to be getting compensation from their creation of the product. That's a better solution, make it more comfortable for the group of people who are ripping them off to begin with? With our without SecuROM, you can still play and enjoy the games.

Oh, and if you want people to understand exactly which direction you're taking with your comments, you might make them a bit more clearer next time. I really don't care what you have that shows love for BioWare, I only responded to what you presented, which wasn't much to begin with.

Haha, no offense but you should be a CEO then, DRM hurts absolutely no one but the consumer, the product buyer.

You're still in the group of users who believes some how, some way, magically, these individuals are being robbed for every person who downloads a torrent with their product. They don't lose money, there's nothing invested in that and what I'm saying is the infrastructure needs to change in order to profit off what is happening. I don't expect you to understand and many people don't.

The harder these corporate juggernauts try their grip lessens with every release and they completely fail to see the point. They are essentially doing this to themselves. For people to avoid the draconian digital police you have to employ people who are willing enough to give back to the community and work around it.

You do not understand that as soon as the digital age arose of broadband these companies quickly came to realize there product intentionally could be marketed amongst a user base. What is the vast properties of these user base? Exchanging information as you and I would in person instead, it's a digital peer to peer transaction.

As an example you give your friend a copy of Modern Warfare to borrow. Why would you do that? What for? Would you tell him to get his own copy? Would you tell him the consequences of what could happen if he didn't buy his own copies?

How about the price hike that Activision is intiating with Modern Warfare 2? These companies do not include figures like yourself they simply do not care. The people who make those games, applications, music, and movies are all being well paid however there are a lot of organizations that would like you to think otherwise.

The only people you should really care about and be worried about are those indie developers who really give it there all without the help of a publisher which is a great feat in itself, undeniably.

Point is the media medium has come full circle and now it has completed itself without grace again. Anything you've ever taped off of TV, watched at a friends house, watched outside in a bar (or inside) is potential loss of a consumer. These people are not being robbed of there hard work, but these people do need to start understanding they can profit heavily from this.

Alienating legitimate user bases was and still is not the progressive benchmark towards finding a resolution.

This isn't the 1980's where consumerism really is capitalism, it was individual for the consumer to become the primary hivemind of a nation especially with something as so easy as digital media as you formally put it. What happened here really, essentially is a digital revolution. The people have control over something that large (greedy) corporations don't and BOY does it PISS them off.

The poor have access to tools they would never have in the first place, this can (greatly) improve the facets and happiness of day to day life. See the problem has always been money, it's rooted in money. So do you see where we have started again? With not being able to afford things. It's not so much as a sense of entitlement but a sense of connecting and well being and being communal. Obvious this covers much more than just games but what other reason would it be than 'money'.

"I know how good BioWare games are you don't need to tell me. I still have an unopened Baldurs Gate II: Shadow of Amn box right on my PC desk."

I'm not to sure if Bioware had anything to do with baldurs gate 2.

They only made the game...

You said: "You're still in the group of users who believes some how, some way, magically, these individuals are being robbed for every person who downloads a torrent with their product."

Look up copyright law, now. Come back and tell me what you just said above with a straight face.

I'm not rooting for the concept of potential buyers, I'm rooting for the concept of protecting one's own property; tangible, intangible, digital, or hard-media. Every business has the right to protect their investments. Own a business and I'm fairly certain your point of view on this type of matter would change greatly.

You said: "They don't lose money, there's nothing invested in that and what I'm saying is the infrastructure needs to change in order to profit off what is happening. I don't expect you to understand and many people don't."

Yeah, profit off of piracy... Which the definition of is to steal without paying... So if they make modifications that would make it profitable for them, then the methods of piracy would just change as needed to ensure that the persons pirating don't need to pay anything for the application...

You said: "Alienating legitimate user bases was and still is not the progressive benchmark towards finding a resolution."

Surprisingly enough, sales numbers for games going forward would disagree with you. Even more surprising is the ease in which people have moved to consoles, which has software that is less pirated. Just look at what WoW gets away with because the users care more about the game than the invasion of privacy with their data collection methods.

Why is this so? Because it's the nature of the beast in almost all retail venues. Customers are screwed over in many ways, but it's necessary to maintain the profit, which leads to more jobs, more products, better competition, etc.

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But, hey, it's okay Major_Tom. I'm too stupid to understand your "high seat" theories and economic models for the future of video gaming. So, no need to actually elucidate on what you're talking about. Just keep throwing out there those statements of "it could be done differently, but I don't expect you to understand." With comments like that, progress will be made!

Copyright laws, you mean the ones that are getting a national reform in many countries bound by outdated ideologic men who sat on pedestals high above us ants? People such as bankers to protect their own investments and unloyal citizens with the sums of what they have amassed from usually shady practices?

You cannot steal something that you can copy readily. It is not a stolen copy it is a digital copy. There is only the loss of potential sales not the application of real world sales data.

Again, thinking like a traditional CEO. If you can get it for free, why would you charge again? No, that clearly will not work and that's what they are in the process of doing. The exact same thing.

If I was to draw a diagram of a flow chart, it could follow into something similar analogy; One friend buys the game, and then shares with many. Does this mean NONE of them will buy it? No it means that he has shared it with many.

Music companies, more or less independent artists are starting to understand how to reap benefits from this unilateral and unbiased system. By promoting themselves with free content. Nine Inch Nails, Radiohead, just to name a few have released full albums in every format imaginable for free on torrent websites. Hundreds and hundreds of Gigabytes of free music and media. Thus the music industry is bouncing back, they've noticed the exposure is actually.. dare I say it.. GOOD.

I never said I had a solution, I'm saying that eventually one will be found. I didn't mean to come across pompus or even insult your intelligence I just wanted to open your horizons and explore something that you might not have.

By the way a true loss in sales would equate in x person acquires digital goods, burns on to disc and than x person proceeds to sell digital goods for their own benefit.

People do, do this but this is not nearly as big as bit torrenting itself. I'd assume this is less than 2% of the scene but by then you're seeing a redundancy where sales would start impeding on the black marketeer.

"You cannot steal something that you can copy readily. It is not a stolen copy it is a digital copy. There is only the loss of potential sales not the application of real world sales data."

Theft, technically no (yeah, I get pissed at those lame videos on 'stealing' movies at the beginning of my DVDs as well). Breaking the law due to infringement on copyright law, yes.

Copyright laws have been around and their primary purpose has been to protect the rights of individuals and small companies. It has been successful in many ways, especially for authors and developers of their own items. The issue isn't in the law, it's in being able to find who infringed on your copyright and prosecuting them. That's why torrent sites get focused on instead of individuals. Copyright doesn't need reform, technical advancements on tracking and preventing digital copying of items does.

"If I was to draw a diagram of a flow chart, it could follow into something similar analogy; One friend buys the game, and then shares with many. Does this mean NONE of them will buy it? No it means that he has shared it with many."

And yet has broken no laws in the process. Same with used game sells. Remember, I'm not supporting the concept of potential buyers, which I stated above very clearly. This is a legal matter as to the rights of the person who owns the IP in question.

"Music companies, more or less independent artists are starting to understand how to reap benefits from this unilateral and unbiased system."

Primarily because they make a ton more money off of concerts and merchandise than they do actual disc/mp3 sales.

"I never said I had a solution, I'm saying that eventually one will be found."

Unfortunately that's less likely considering the arena in which we're talking. All software can be reverse engineered, and the speed at which cracks/key gens are made today are proof of the inability for developers to stay ahead of the people who do such things.

Sad, but true, the best weapon that businesses have today is discouragement. Even if it leaves a bad taste in our mouths.

Well piracy for ME1 wasn't a big problem because you couldn't get past the galaxy map and your save files would corrupt randomly around the point. Every ME torrent had this problem. And the reason I know is because I used to read GameFAQS Mass Effect forums for a while.

That didn't last very long that was a deterrent for perhaps, a week really. I know a few people myself who couldn't afford Mass Effect themselves and decided to download it once I told them how good it was.

a bubble for your smarmy reply.

btw: great choice of avatar and screen name.

I said console...

@Pandamobile

i admit
the PC always gets the best when it comes to mlutiplats thats on PC

but console wise
the PS3 well get a better version of this game

Was there even any confirmation of it coming to the PS3?

80-90% of xbox360 titles goes multiples sooner or later

and that’s because 80-90% of those games
made by 3rd party developers

and the thing that supports this argument
thats those games are already on PC and that means they got bigger chance to go multiplts and thats because they are already (technically) mltiplats

another example is SC
that game never was an exclusive
and its already on PC

their have been ALOT of xbox exclusives that gone multiplats

we all know that
after 2 generations of experience with microsoft

Yeah but do you really thing Bioware are going to bother porting it two or three years after the fact?

the thing is
they have been asked about it
and they did NOT deny that a PS3 version is already on the way
and this backs up the possibilities even more

When the hell was using the insult xbutts ever considered even remotely funny or witty or anything.