*sighs*

M$ really is two faced as Shadow said. First it was HDMI, then Blu-ray now this. The PS3 is/will be better than the 360 for F@H whether the fanboys like it or not. That said I hope F@H does come out for the 360 seeing that it will go for a good cause.

if they just shut up and run folding on both systems we can shut this debate once and for all. i personally wouldn't run it on my machine but others would and everyone will know without speculation, and then, and only, we can move on with our lives. ;-P

Fanboys. If MS decided to do folding@home just remember it is for a good cause so no need to flame each other over it.

to attract attention don't they? Who is more credible? Folding developer, Peter Moore or The Inquirer? It's not that hard to choose.

Folding@home is useless Console for games

M$ will never do it. This is all M$ BS. The just want to get the attention and some people will believe that the XBOX can be better @folding than the PS3.
How many X-BOX's would overheat?? Sony is saying bring it on.

and article that completly ignores facts, and the fact is, the ps3 is more powerful than the 360 in every way it can be. the ps3 is a supercomputer, the 360 is a great gaming machine untill developers start doing there job right on the ps3, call me a sony fanboy, disagree, send bad feedback, i dont realy care, facts are facts

...but I'm not running it on my machine :)

Besides, if Big Pharma actually found a way to CURE a disease we'd never see it. You get rich by treating SYMPTOMS, not CURING the disease.

NikV3
12 - lol
and article that completly ignores facts, and the fact is, the ps3 is more powerful than the 360 in every way it can be. the ps3 is a supercomputer, the 360 is a great gaming machine untill developers start doing there job right on the ps3, call me a sony fanboy, disagree, send bad feedback, i dont realy care, facts are facts

We will see The days will prove.

okay so how about instead of talking about how great/better the console is for Folding why not put it in practical use and put it on? Oh they just like to talk about it. I'm sorry but all MS seems to be doing is a lot of talking but no walking. Really fighting over this which has absolutly nothing to do with gaming what-so-ever is silly. Bad form indeed. If you want to talk about how much greater it would run on the 360 great! Put it in on marketplace and be done with it. Why beat around the bush with knowlege that you probably won't do it anyways?

i didn't know this

I've been telling you all along, the 360 GPU is a monster the PS3 GPU or Cell can't touch it's efficieny. It is the first GPU ever to run at 90-95% efficiency. PS3 fanboys am cry. I guess the 360 is the most powerful next-gen machine after all.

Thats why Killlzone won't touch gears of war or mass effect. PS3 will never ever have graphics like that. Even physics will be better on the 360.

Oh and Xenos is a custom GPU, it is made to CRUNCH NUMBERS, way better than cell at it too. Because Cell will never operate at 90-95% efficiency. The only reason Sony put a GPU in the PS3 is because Cell couldn't hang with current GPU's. So basically the Inquirer is right, the Xenos would kill Cell at Folding, by about 30%.

Update: Dude you can;t be serious about Lair and Heavenly Sword? Heavenly Sword looks horrible, alot of low rez textures, Lair don't even get me started on the PS2 upgrade game. THose games do not have the texture quality or lighting of Gears of War, even Unreal Tournament 3 can't hang with gears of ware, and Unreal Tournament 3 looks better than Lair and Heavenly Sword.

That's just too funny, tell me please, if it's true then why no scientists are interested in 360? Haha MS is just gettiing too desperate ;)

The developers/scientist for folding home disagree with this whole article. They said the opposite, that the xbox360 couldn't match the ps3s abilities FOR folding home. The article was on N4g a few days ago. Nonetheless, folding home is not a contest between consoles, it's a unified support system for a greater cause.

i already knew the 360 was the best gaming system thats why i have 2 and not an ps3

Nice try xbots lol.

The point of the article is not about whether or not Microsoft will actually do it; but more so that it's console can do it and it can do it better than the PlayStation 3.

this is just bs, folding is not a game it doesn't use the graphics card for calculations but just to display the folding, also graphics cards are dedicated for graphics so they are not good in this kind of calculations
btw the source is theinquirer.....

http://bestofyt.com/video/p...

Like chrisin3 said earlier

"Xbox 360 not as useful as PS3 for Folding@home

Vijay Pande, creator of the Folding@home project, which harnesses the power of networked Playstation3s across the world to carry out essential research into Alzheimer's Disease, has revealed to Pro-G that the 360 is of limited help to his work."

http://www.n4g.com/industry...

Discuss

Set aside the damn console war for a sec, doesn't this folding@home thing help in research? Like alzheimers? God forbid any of us came down with it later in life but id be pretty happy that it was bc of my friggin 360 that I was cured! lol

Seriously fanboys, stfu already. Who cares about motives if the end result is something that positive.

lol. GPUs are not made for these kind of calculations. Whoever wrote that is a total moron. Oh wait, it's from the inquirer. So it's understandable they'll make up shiit.

And by the way, 1.RSX is not a 7900, 2. Xenos is not more powerful. Just more efficient, flexible, like Xbox 360's RAM. If you know how to optimize RSX, then you'll get even better results.

well I could win the lotto

But u know what until I do I'll just get back to work.

the 360's hardware is capable of that folding stuff. MS just not interested. Sorta like "anything you can do, well I can do", well just how better.

"Xenos is not more powerful. Just more efficient, flexible, like Xbox 360's RAM. If you know how to optimize RSX, then you'll get even better results."

Ha, sound like it's more powerful to me, plus when have gamers started Over clocking Consoles? It's what you get out the box, not what you can do if you open and mess around if you open the box.

I still would not take part in it. Scientist over there at Standford, are just using you. I'm sure they can cook up thousands of cells to do their research on their own. This is just some Marketing gimmick, Sony choose to take part in to claims the Cell's superiority.

wether the 360 can do this at, can do it equally, or can surpass the ps3 at this task
I WOULD NEVER DO IT
why because I do not feel ok with leaving my x360 on for too long if I am not gaming
my 360 has died twice and I am on my third one, and I do no want it to die again

the wii could totally fold better than all the next gen systems(j/k!!!)
this is one of the dumbest arguments on this site it is like they just keep finding more and more reasons to start flame wars

man, they need to fix their problems first AKA red light error
It’s really annoying

I cant believe you are arguing about this you low lives. Get it on the 360 if it can go. WHo cares which is better.

SEGA SATURN!! can fold BETTER! than any of these next gen systerms!

so hush ya'll selves!

...

One would think that we all come together on this one topic but everyone is thread seems to worried about stuff that doesn't matter! Who cares which system does this better because I love the fact of knowing I'm doing something to help others and maybe even myself one day! There's going to come a point when spiderman and the green goblin join up and quit fighting lol! Come on people just get over it once and for all and retreat from the console war before it's to late and somebody really get's hurt over nothing!

I would be afraid of getting the red Ring of death if I left my 360 running Folding@Home 24/7. Like I do now with my PS3, it hasn't been turned off since the March 22 Folding@Home start date for PS3. Also one thing to note GPU's run a simpler simulation then a CPU which runs the most complex, the Cell fits right in the middle of these simulations. Just go read the folding Faqs for all the details.

Taken from beyond3d:

RSX
5 shader ALU operations per pipeline per cycle (2 vector4 and 2 scalar (dual/co-issue) and fog ALU)
27 FLOPS per pipeline per cycle
""68 billion"" shader operations per second theoretical maximum ( ((5 ALU x 24 pixel pipelines) + (2 ALU x 8 vetrex pipelines)) x 500 MHz )
""364"" GFLOPS ( ((27 FLOPS x 24 pixel pipelines) + (10 FLOPS x 8 vertex pipelines)) x 500 MHz )
24 filtered and 32 unfiltered texture samples per clock

Xenos
2 shader ALU operations per pipeline per cycle (1 vector4 and 1 scalar, co-issued)
10 FLOPS per pipeline per cycle
""48 billion"" shader operations per second theoretical maximum (2 ALU x 48 shader pipelines x 500 MHz)
""240"" GFLOPS (10 FLOPS x 48 shader pipelines x 500 MHz)
16 filtered and 16 unfiltered texture samples per clock

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Even the Sony Cell would ^PROBABLY^ end beaten. - LOL. =))
That`s what happening when some noobs are talking. =)

I see MS is shoveling out the crap again!
How many times do we have to set little xbots straight
after MS pulls their strings.
IBM makes both, right! IBM said the cell was better right!, IBM
said the cell is like a supercomputer right! IBM never came close to
calling the 360 that right! IBM is making super advanced cell servers for
a reason right! Scientist at Stanford said the PS3 is far superior for
these calculations right!
So why do u little xbots get your balls blown up by Peter Moore everytime
he talks crap? And if your stupid enough to believe some snot nosed kid
that wrote this article over the guys at IBM who freakin made the thing!
You deserve to have your little testies blown up!
Fact, MS will never do folding, why because they know there 360's will get crushed! So Peter Moore & the MS viral marketers are forced into talking crap
again. Little bots never learn!

what the hell are you on about,christ if the 360 can do folding at home better then it can, if it cant it cant, y is sony boys jumping on this, its got nothin to do with gaming, its like you guys have got nothin 2 defend on ur ps3, damn man, giv it a rest, play ur games

If theirs any one out there confident enough to leave the 360 on(more than normal) to Fold, Let me know.
the 360 might technically be able to fold.
but.
If you leave your 360 on to fold, your nuts.
that system can barely play Games/Dvds w/ out breaking.

First Blu Ray, now folding?

where are the facts to prove this articles suggestions? i think this is a bunch of crap someone made up.

Here are a couple of links to an article that talks about folding@home for ATI graphics cards.
http://www.dailytech.com/ar...

http://www.anandtech.com/vi...
Here is a quote from the article about the RSX class nvidia gpus.
I'm sure the 8800 is more than capable, but previous generations weren't.

The situation for NVIDIA users however isn't as rosy, as while the research group would like to expand this to use the latest GeForce cards, their current attempts at implementing GPU-accelerated processing on those cards has shown that NVIDIA's cards are too slow compared to ATI's to be used. Whether this is due to a subtle architectural difference between the two, or if it's a result of ATI's greater emphasis on pixel shading with this generation of cards as compared to NVIDIA we're not sure, but Folding@Home won't be coming to NVIDIA cards as long as the research group can't solve the performance problem.

The RSX was almost 2 yrs old when it was fist put into the PS3 so why r idiots comparing it to the Xenos which was new tech at the time and was custom made for the 360? About CPU'S, Intel's new Quad Core can dance circles around a true Cell CPU ( not the striped down version in the PS3) IBM is now saying that they found a way to stack cores on top of each other! The cells new tech is already becoming yesterdays old tech get over it kids!

I guess it solves bootsielon's and all the other fanboy rants about a GPU not being able to FOLD.

bootsielon - 2 Hours ago 27 - The inquirer
lol. GPUs are not made for these kind of calculations. Whoever wrote that is a total moron.

bootsielon
29.1 -
"But Anyway, the point is still there. If this project could use a GPU for calculations, they'd be already using it for that. Since GPUs are not made for that, it's simply used for molecule display. But hey, if I'm wrong, don't worry."

Hey at least you had yourself covered.

Like I said I still wouldn't do it, but I always new that GPU's were capable, so this article is not complete blasphemy.

First of all, TheInquirer right now has just as much credibility as The National Inquirer.

For once, I wouldn't mind seeing M$ and Sony have this on their respective systems. However, Sony and those involved encourages leaving the PS3 on at night when Folding would take over.

Given the 360's reports of instability, would the 360 guys endorse owners leaving their system on at night?

Thoughts?

The real point here is sony's machine is not as badass as they think. A year after the 360 even. Still cannot beat it. The original xbox was about a year late to the ps2 but when it did come out it was miles ahead in graphics and functionality. What gives sony?

Don't you mean lapping?

Friggin fanboys man I swear. I hate em all but you sony d-bags are the worst. STFU! Nobody cares what you have to say, not like its intelligent anyway. Wonder why you have only 1 bubble. HAHA

If I were Sony ... I'd say "JUST BRING IT". It sad that people are arguing over a philanthropic exercise but it is what it is. If reliability is NOT a concern with MS, why not.

If you could honestly tell me that my XBOX 360 can be on overnight without crashing for one week straight ... sign me up.

If I were Sony, I'd call MS out on this. Its one thing to say it, its another thing to actually do it (its just PR).

microsoft = losers

I think we should call on MS and the fanboys to cut the crap and put out.

Write the code for the so-called super GPU in the XB360 and prove that it is actually so powerful. Making all kinds of theoretical calculations to prove that in theory it will beat the PS3 just does not cut ice. Getit out there - let us see if it can.

Even better - since both consoles has GPU's that can theoretically be used for folding, lets have a folding program that uses the CPU, and one that uses the GPU. That would be an excellent benchmark and will shut up the debate once and for all.

It will also tell us if the XB360 can run all night doing folding, or if it will just red ring halfway through the night.

I think we can simply make the following assertions:
1) At the moment the CPU battle is won by Sony, as the Cell is doing some folding, and the XB360 is not.
2) For the GPU folding - both score zero, as none is doing it at the moment. So debating this based on the folding performance figures of another ATI chip, is again just theory. Both should be possible to do it, so - lets petition both to do it.

So - in fact - the PS3 wins the CPU war, because it is running. The GPU one should be possible - so lets petition the developers to get it up.

"What are GPU's and how can they help FAH? GPU's are Graphics Processing Units -- chips used in today's PC's to help speed high performance graphics, such as 3D games or 3D scientific visualization. GPUs have the possibility to perform an enormous number of Floating Point OPerations (FLOPs). However, they achieve this high performance by losing generality -- there are only certain types of calculations which would be well-suited to GPUs."

so by the end of the day cell would still be number one...

I will use my 360 for games and other forms of entertainment only. I do not care about this folding crap. I didn't buy a gaming machine to benefit mankind, I bought it to play games! Whoever wants to help fold whatever, be my guest, but for me and my 360, we will have fun!

i dont care bout folding@home if we have it, thats nice, but when im not playing games im either online with my ps3, or its off, im not using electricity for no research, pfft. and yeah it contridicts what moore said earlier. who cares both the 360 and the ps3 are great machines, sure to please both the fans and people who enjoy both consoles like me :D

How many great games does a Cray supercomputer have?
and how many great games does a 360 or even a PS2 have?

People can talk numbers all day long but its all about the games

I know what i'd rather be playing with. ;-)

What does the GPU have to do with the Folding at Home project?

I run F@H on two PC's, and while my P4 2.8 has a GeForce 6100, my AMD 64 has integrated graphics and runs F@H much faster.

I don't own a PS3, I don't think the PS3 is worth $600, and I think the games it has out are pretty poor considering the power of the system, but as far as processor power goes, it should have a pretty decent advantage, barring the PS3's obvious memory liabilities.

The article seems flawed. If it were addressing available system memory in the article, I might give is credence, but I believe the PS3 has an advantage for shared processing such as F@H.

Strange really people should say that folding taxes the hell out of the system,my ps3 runs as normal when folding, i can hardly hear my ps3 at the best of times,when folding my ps3 runs as softly as a mouse in others words its near silent,so i hardly think folding would run my 360 to over heat either..noobs...

The Inquirer, need I say more.Is this the same Inquirer that reports on UFO abductions, and Bigfoot.Get the fvcc outta here! I bet they found this story right next to the article that says UFO LANDS ON WHITE HOUSE LAWN.

FOLD in XBOX 360 and get your XBOX 360 overheat faster.

Didn't the Folding@Home guys say something completely different about a week ago? I guess that's why all of this BS is surfacing. Damage control.

Plus, I would be very careful about putting any stress on an Xbox 360. The Little Mermaid on DVD could brick that console.

Seriously we all know that the xbox 360 is having way better games than the ps3, obviously people like it more, but who really carea bout folding home program, i know microsoft wants to show of how their product is better, but this is stupid, we all know xbox 360 has better stuff anyway!

Sipped on some coffee and STFU.

Interesting that the title doesn't mention that the source of this "news" is corporate VP of Microsoft's entertainment business unit.

Notice the "could" beat the Ps3 in Folding, and the Cell would "probably" end up being beaten by the 48 vec4+scalar units hidden inside Xbox's 360 graphics chip.

The inquirer *LAUGH!*
This is just MS BS'ing again.

Go ahead and fold 360ers and watch your system meltdown because it is so much better.

If they can do it then good, if they cant then fine, But there is no compitition here, This is called helping people, we dont need to know which is better and which can run circles, what we need is them to realize that even 10 year old computers can run folding, and they need to release a folding app directly coded for the 360, like they've done for the ps3.
Mind you people thats one of the reasons why the ps3 folder program works so amazing, its not the only reason but its one of them, they specifically created the folding program on the ps3 to take advantage of all the spe's if they specifically created a folding app for the 360's multi cpu stucture and gpu, and it would work great too, the folding app on the pc has to take into mind all the different configs of the computer world, thats why folding@home works on a 10 year or older pc, I've seen some people get it to work on an 15 year old pc if its running win95.

This isn't a race, its a workforce of gamers that could spend some time saving the freaking world, if the 360 can run it then release a copy of it for the system! thats all that needs be done, no debates about which is stronger.

What better stuff? You mean the worse quality PC games? Name me just 1 great 360 exclusive ;-)

How is this at the top of N4G?

-Microsoft VP says his console is better than the PS3.

-Random website posts it.

-Fanboys are pleased, disregard reality.

Sure it could. Riiiight

If releasing statements like that, helps them sleep at night, then good for them. Sleep is a good thing.

Ok just one?
Umm.. HALO 3
How about Bioshock??
But anyway I mean I'm not bashing the PS3...that system just does not come up with good games.

lol... no it couldnt (referring to the title). And people please dont say the ps3 has less memory, because it doesn't. IT IS SPLIT! 256+256= WHAT? It was designed differently yes, but less, no.

That the there was too much expectations for the PS3, but in reality, it has no good games, fold@home is one of the features that no one cares about,and the xbox 360 lacks of. so i see no reason to put in the xbox 360 system. It can just be one less reason of the few that fanboys think that the ps3 is better than the xbox 360.

What a maroon Peter Moore is. Right, the 360 can beat the PS3 at Folding@Home. Right. We all know the 360 will never see a folding project. The 360 can't be left on for days at a time. It would drive people batty with all the noise. And it would overheat and die with the Three Red Rings of Death. So Microsoft won't be releasing any folding software for the 360.

I leave my PS3 on over night folding@home and it barely gets warm. The 360 could never be left on for days at a time, without either burning down your home or having hardware failure. Microsoft need to redesign the 360 hardware so it does'nt fail all the time, before they even attempt folding@home. I doubt whether the 360 could beat PS3 at folding anyhow.

Why would you leave your PS3 on to consume energy, what a waste

the 180 cant run folding home but the 360 that is comming in 2010 maybe can that is what they meant in this article because with the two machines now this is what the ps3 cant be beat by the 180 in anything:

you idiots really do not have a shadow of a clue about the ps3 and its true power don't you find it sort of embarassing that the weak60 is already maxed out after only a year yes it has i really honestly feel so sorry for you wanna be tech specialists you dont understand the hardware design of the ps3 in any way but you keep using your last gen knowledge to try to decipher a truely next gen system you minds are only subpar at most you have no idea what your talking about first of weak60 is nowhere near the ps3 in any way wanna know why because the ps3 is a supercomputer and do you wanna know what supercomputers do they are the machines behind these movies such as the incredibles, madagascar, toy story, final fantasy, cars and even those movies that will have those computer generated dragons, and creatures that dont really exist but look incredibly close to real they also render movies such as the day after tomorrow i know your minds are to weak just as weak as weak180 in comparison to the sheer unparalleled magnitude of the sony playstation 3 supercomputer and i know even after this post of the truth someone else will try to come up with their lame explanation of why your little miniscule minds believe that the weak180 is even at the shadow of the bondary of the sony ps3 and its true power many of you are saying that the ps3 had shown some fake trailers at e3 05 yes you may be right but then again maybe not those games shown were tech demoes done to the ps3 spec and wonna know one more bumber the graphic chip wasn't even complete at the time of e3 05 and one more bumber even with the incomplete system they were only harnessing 70% of the ps3's power that is extremely scary considering no one will ever use 100% of the ps3's power thats if there is a 100% now many of you poor idiots are so bent on just judging these launch titles as oppossed to the full power of the system you idiots dont even understand that whereas the weak180 is very very close to its limit if not exceeded its limit ps3 is doing its warm-up excercise ill show you idiots just how foolish you are why do you think that microsoft released gears of war right around the time of the ps3 launch gate ill tell you why gears of war was microsofts graphical trump card oh its very much common sense micrfosoft planned this release for a long while they knew the game exceeded what the weak60 was capable of but they knew the ps3 is 2X + powerful as the weak180 and they were doomed if they didnt try to battle the ps3's starting graphics with there best graphics you see microsoft is sort of smart and sort of stupid kinda like you people they released the game at the launch of the ps3 because they knew developers werent going to be able to make that level of graphics at the launch of the ps3 so that was microsofts opportunity to release this gears of war but you boys didnt notice that im no tech but yet i figured that out reason 2 why bill gates even stated,"this game is what the system is built for" in other words thats all the system is able to withstand you know the weak180 may be able to match the ps3 if you had 2 weak180's + something else and here is another scary fact sony said the finalized ps3 hardware was more powerful than expected another bummer guerilla games confirmed killzone 2 is already in developement and some elements already exceed the trailer and you that say that the weak60's current games look better than on the ps3 your far from correct because develpopes say that every game done for the ps3 is only possible on the ps3 because its a supercomputer developers could easily at this point and time stop what they are doing with the ps3 just trying to get the physic power out of the system not so much as to scratch the graphic power im so tired of you idiots saying that the graphic processor in the weak180 being superior to the ps3's your so far from right that im sorry for you you see the ps3's graphic chip had to be compatible supercomputer hardware in order for the system to be able to render the true photrealistic graphics that you will be seeing in the very near future plus do youo really beleive that aftr all the trash talk last time about the graphics and the inferiority i would highly doubt that sony would make the same mistake this time around thats why there was 6 years of planning and testing that the ps3 had to go through to insure the ps3 would succeed geniouses are the ones that made this gaming console/supercomputer which weak180 unforunately the weak180 is not not by a long shot when you say that the ps3 and weak180 is equal you must mean the 360 that is comming out in 2010 yeah thats right not the weak180 thats currently out 2005-2010 i said all that to say this stop dreaming that the weak180 is magically more powerfull or equally as powerfull or almost as powerfull because in all reality its leaps and bounds behind the ps3 microsoft knows it they've already sucked it up why cant you all just suck it up as well wake up from this dream the 180 is so last year its not next gen its sorta middle gen and wii is post gen ps3 will be the only one to endure the entire 2006-2010 + believe that no doubt about it 180 is alread all washed up don't expect any improvements over gears of war you'll surely be highly dissapointed enough said but i still know after this post some 100 or 1000's more weak180 fans will come and post on the same subject with more trash and one question why do all you 180 fans come visit ps3 sites so much anyway is your system really that washed up if so please do enjoy 180's little shine time cause it will be small because i guarantee you won't be comming over once sonys system warps past the 180 we will see less and less of you and you wont have anything to say now here is the last part of my post you microsoft fans are the source of the foreshadowed weak180's defeat you post so many comments and talk a whole lot of trash that microsoft will not be able to follow through with on the 180 you see people are surely visiting these sites and reading your posts and you have set a very high bar for the 180 which is maxed out and some more and saying so much that the ps3 cant do but when the time comes and the 180 cant deliver what you said it could and i know microsoft is shaking in its boots because they know that none of what you are saying is anywhere near a reality it may sorta seem like it now but its only been what 2 months please ill give it at the most 5 more months and watch you'll be regretting what you have stated guaranteed and when sony comes through and tells you i told you so that the ps3 will deliver you will be crying because the graphics will even exceed way past even killzone 2 on the ps3 there will be nothing else left for you to say end of discussion at that time i think it would only be fair to pay 180 sites a visit and tell you why the next gen doesn't start until sony said and we will get on your nerves just as you have done to us but it will be the truth not guesses or your wanna be tech analysis you really believe you know everything last gen things dont serve the same as the true next gen youd do well to remember that i will be the first to say i told you so. thanks for your time oh and wait why do you weak180 fans keep still insisting that the ps3 and the weak180 are anywhere near equal let me show you PS3 supercomputer 218 tflops movie making past photrealistic graphic capabi lities >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>&a mp;g t;>>>>>>> & gt;>>>>>>> ; >>>weakbox 180 1 tflop gears of war and thats the max no further git a clue the first release games on the ps3 look either as good or better than the current games and games to come on the weakbox180 ps3 is going to ball the weakbox180 up and throw it in storage. love you and no hard feelings oh and what developers have you heard say that the ps3 and the weakbox180 are equal either thats just something to get in our heads that thats true or thats just paid people that were told to tell you that to suck you outta gettin that good old ps3 let me ask you if the ps3 and weakbox180 are equal then why are the graphics as good as weakbox180 and developers say that they do not even understand the hardware its very much impossible and secondly why do ports that come from the weakbox180 look either as good or better than the original ill tell you why ps3 is like Goku ss4 and weakbox180 is like bebi without vegeta and EA games is only using well under half of the ps3's power if EA really wanted to they could release a whole noter type of football game for the ps3 that would be completely real life mud, dirt, blood, bones breaking, individual hairs, facial hair, muscle definition, every aspect of the eyes, true facial expressions, breathing, every aspect of the face such as moles, bumps, wrinkles, sleepy stuf, tears, real sweat not like the sortta real sweat being rendered now, veins, nuckle definition, stains, fingerprints, pores, wounds, damage to any part of the body as in real life and so much more because the ps3 is a supercomputer and this is not just for football games its for every genre while you all are saying killzone isnt possible it is very possible but you had better get ready because for the ps3 thats just the tip of the ice burg. BE AFRAID BE VERY AFRAID. this is the truth yes the truth that these puny weakbox180 fans are trying to mask by giving you little subpar understanding of last gen standards of tech specs to try to make you truely think that these to consoles well at least one of them are consoles are really on the same level if your all dumb enough to believe them and any dumb developer that would like to follow behind them and anyone else go ahead but the true knowledge and understanding can only be done by real next gen minds not americans the japanese there the geniouses so they know dont let you faith be wavered by these would be trash talkers they are making claims that will never come to past. just believe.

you see my friend this time around is much different for the ps3 you see unlike the other times sony has proved that their machine has the power to do whatever they say you may think that the games so far arent good enough but the only reason that motorstorm didnt look like the trailer is because the developers didnt know how to correctly program a game for a supercomputer with a graphic chip and Blue Ray, also the budget for the game wasnt anywhere near the budget that guerilla games has invested in killzone 2 so i would expect a game that will surpass the e3 2005 trailer by alot, if you dont believe that sony's ps3 then please help yourself and check out for yourself go to youtube and type in ps3 tech demos there are ps3 tech demos that look better than any ps3, 180, or pc graphics and the reason i know that ps3 aint even done its warm up routine is because 1. no developer yet has merged RSX and CELL together but they have in some of these tech demos 2. the tech demos were acheived in such a short amount of time and also early in ps3s lifecycle 3. once again no developer has truely put enough money into a ps3 game other than kojima, Final Fantasy 13 creaters Square Enix, and also of course Guerilla Games and one reason why i know sony aint lyin is because i still havent seen sony let up and say that, "Naw we just playin the 180 IS as powerful as ps3 our ps3 is NOT 2 times as powerful as the 180." The truth is that the ps3 is a bit more than 2 times as powerful as the 180 the 218 tflops compared to 1 tflop that the 180 has is just for the base hardware, and that is where 180 stops but, sonys ps3 goes some steps further than that first of all the specs you see on paper arent the true specs of the ps3 because like i said when RSX and Cell are merged the specs completely change by a whole lot for the idiots that say that on paper 180 and ps3 are equal that even if it was true, it aint because whereas on the 180 the specs are final and what you see is what you get the gpu and cpu dont merge and also the cpu of the 180 cant produce graphics that is all you get, with the ps3 that is different say the ps3 and 180 base form was equal such as in dbz when goku and vegeta were fighting in the buu saga, they were completely even the thing was that goku had an ace up his sleeve that he never used and that was super saiyan 3, or when majin gohan buu was fighting base form veggeto they were basically even but then again i think buu was more powerful than base form veggeto, but that completely vanished the equality in there power when veggeto went super saiyan, so what in the world makes you think that even if the ps3 and 180 were equal in base form that when ps3 uses the RSX and CELL merger that the 2 would still be equal (although even in base form the ps3 has a computing power of 218 tflops, and the 180 only has 1) remember the giant boost a merger can do goten and trunks for example they were basically weak seperately, but when merged as one especially after the time chamber the power boost from the tranformation was enourmous, especially considering they when merged surpassed goku as a super saiyan 3 now the thing is that even though the ps3 is far far more powerful than the 180 and probably still more powerful than the 360 comming out in 2010 why dont games look better than the 180 games that are multiplatform? in short because the 180 is only making grapics that arent what ps3 is made to render, ill tell ya why the initial plan of sony even before ps3 was first shown was to make games that will have little little difference with cutscenes and realtime and later years have games that will even enter the 4d era, which can only be achieved by a supecomputer (unfortunately ps3 has one, and even extra to go along with that to make surtain that ps3 will acheive and even break deeper into the 4d era) that goal has no changed and sony did put hardware capable of getting the job done, let me show you why the 180 IS weak compared to the ps3 the ps3 has the RSX but many of you believe that the 180's penos is more powerful than the RSX but you will be sadly dissapointed when you figure out the RSX really alone has a higher power than your entire 180 combined and i will show you just go to wikipedia and they will show you whereas the 180s entire system performance is 1 tflop the RSX has a performance of 1.8 tflops now that is alot but the thing is even if the RSX had been the same power or the 180 chip was more powerful than the RSX you are still missing the point of CELL the graphics would still topple anything that 180 has or has comming, why you ask? Because when RSX and Cell are merged whereas there is 1 penos and 1 penon with 3 cores, there is 1 RSX and 1 CELL (although the CELL alone is more powerful than the weaklin180) that changes horribly you see the cell is a supercomputer alone because it has 9 processors with there own performance each running at 3.2ghz the cell acts as an amplifier which many dont know the thing that i am going to tell you is the reason why Phil Harrisson said that, "No one will ever max out the ps3." In all accounts he was trying to sound a little more realistic then what he couldve said, this is what he couldve said, "No one will ever come close to maxing out ps3." Well here is where ps3 completely leaves 180 in the middle gen and takes of to next gen lan after the next gen boulevard where in 180 the gpu and cpu are all seperate but help one another out in the ps3 the cpu and gpu CAN act as one now when this happens which we havent seen only some of the power in the tech demos, when the two combine the power is somewhat on unrealistic boulevard, but it is a R3ality:

1 RSX

1 CELL

merge

RSX counts 9 times across 9 processors running at 3.2ghz each

this is why the ps3 in all accounts could be sony's ps4, notice phil didnt say wouldnt max out the ps3 till 10 years is up, he said no one will ever max it out and this is why.

if you judge the first year even of the ps3 you are dumb to judge the r3ality of what ps3 is truely capable of, this is why i also laugh at the pc fans that say that crysis isnt possible on ps3, that is about as funny as saying bush won the presidential election fairly.

now the only reason that we currently dont have any game on the ps3 that you can truely say is a generational leap is because sony thereselves are holding back, i can GUARANTEE there are things behind closed doors in developement and testing for the ps3 that will nock your socks off one of which is killzone 2 no developers have found it within them to invest 20 million+ dollars on a game for ps3 but think in order to make cutscene graphics in game you would also have to invest the same type of money that you would for the initial cutscene or whatever it cost to make a hollywood movie, now even after the RSX and Cell merger sony went even one step further and added a next gen movie format this will ensure that ps3 will break into the 4d era with force, so with all do respect ps3>>>supercomputer because it has a supercomputer, a mega gpu(that is highly underestimated as some modified geforce something gpu but i would doubt that since it IS a CUSTOM graphic chip that already has a computing performance of 1.8tflops) and then has the Blue Ray disk player oh and why in a million years do you think that sony not only put a blue ray player in the ps3 but put every ps3 game on a blue ray disk as well, duh to acheive cutscene/movie and then even 4d graphics in the future games for the ps3, microsoft was thinking good graphics just not next gen graphics, Glitches of Ware may do it for you but that just aint next gen for me more like middle gen and it did max out the 180 and i do also have proof of that Epic games even said they exceeded the systems power limit, bill gates stated "glitches of ware is what the 180 is built for.", the timeframe that the game was developed and released come on think about the timeframe there was a playable version of the game on nearly finalized 180 hardware and it looked pretty good but watch this, remember the game was initially supposed to be released on the release date of the 180, why was the game pushed back nearly 1 year for extra developement when in e3 2005 the Epic team said the game was what 60 or 80 percent finished? and why was the game not all that much better looking than the e3 2005 trailer? Short answer the machine was maxed out probably well before the release date of the 180 they were just polishing up the game and adding features to the game that is all the graphics were complete.

the only other reason that the motorstorm, resistance titles that were released didnt meet the target renders is because those were cutscene level graphics and were impossible to meet in that time with the budget of either titles, but i have a question for you what developer do you know of that is familiar with supercomputer hardware other than guerilla games and especially for video games they are only use to working with normal pcs to design the games, but the cg films are designed by an entirely different team of people using supercomputer hardware and it cost legions of money to make a cutscene at say final fantasy 12 and 10 and even 8 and 7 level, this is why it is extremely hard to bring out the true graphic power of ps3 sony built the system to darn advanced for the current time, say if the system came out in 2008 mid year the launch games would look...

Everyone on this article seems to be saying that since the ps3 is somewhat more powerful than the 360 (Which I agree it is, I'm not fooling myself, I just don't think it's INSANELY more powerful) the ps3 is automatically the superior system. I have one question. What the hell happened to games? Since when has it been the specs that makes a system? I have a 360 and I'm happy because it actually has some decent GAMES to play.

In regards to Folding@Home, why don't we set the systems next to each other and see which one does better? Isn't is kinda pointless to be arguing about which one COULD do it better without knowing which one actually would?

if ps3 is used the way sony truely built the machine as stated in the above article it is INCREDIBLY INSANELY more POWERFUL than the 180 and 360 comming out in 2010

Seriously, this is so 2005; give us something new like FFXIII and MGS4 confirmed for the 360..SOMETHING! No matter how powerful a system is, it is all about the games right SONY? :D

due to the fact of all the issues of over heating - i would strongly advise of this taking place unless MS is ready to face a increase of broken consoles

alsef - even tho 360 has a nice line up that ppl with xbox have been craving for - in my opnion PS3 line is much better with huge titles like MSG/lair/killzone2 etc

I just don't believe that the 360 processor is better than the cell. thats that it isn't stronger 3<8. Whoever this is is sorely mistaken

For christs sake the 360's melt down just form turning on the wrong way, imagine if they ran Folding lol

I could careless who could or can fold more.

The more folding the better it is.

Our Team 1971 is the number 1 Mac team.

I bet even the Wii could fold when on standby.

I think MS goofed when it didn't include liquid cooling for the 3, 3GHz PPC processors.
My Mac is just a dual PPC at 2.5Ghz and I have liquid cooling and fans.

Here are the real numbers RSX vs XENOS!

Triangle Setup
Xbox 360 - 500 Million Triangles/sec
PS3 - 250 Million Triangles/sec

Vertex Shader Processing
Xbox 360 - 6.0 Billion Vertices/sec (using all 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 2.0 Billion Vertices/sec (using only 16 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 1.5 Billion Vertices/sec (using only 12 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 1.0 Billion Vertices/sec (using only 8 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
PS3 - 1.0 Billion Vertices/sec

Filtered Texture Fetch
Xbox 360 - 8.0 Billion Texels/sec
PS3 - 12.0 Billion Texels/sec

Vertex Texture Fetch
Xbox 360 - 8.0 Billion Texels/sec
PS3 - 4.0 Billion Texels/sec

Pixel Shader Processing with 16 Filtered Texels Per Cycle (Pixel ALU x Clock)
Xbox 360 - 24.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using all 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 20.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using 40 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 18.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using 36 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 16.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using 32 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
PS3 - 16.0 Billion Pixels/sec

Pixel Shader Processing without Textures (Pixel ALU x Clock)
Xbox 360 - 24.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using all 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 20.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using 40 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 18.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using 36 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
Xbox 360 - 16.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using 32 of the 48 Unified Pipelines)
PS3 - 24.0 Billion Pixels/sec

Multisampled Fill Rate
Xbox 360 - 16.0 Billion Samples/sec (8 ROPS x 4 Samples x 500MHz)
PS3 - 8.0 Billion Samples/sec (8 ROPS x 2 Samples x 500MHz)

Pixel Fill Rate with 4x Multisampled Anti-Aliasing
Xbox 360 - 4.0 Billion Pixels/sec (8 ROPS x 4 Samples x 500MHz / 4)
PS3 - 2.0 Billion Pixels/sec (8 ROPS x 2 Samples x 500MHz / 4)

Pixel Fill Rate without Anti-Aliasing
Xbox 360 - 4.0 Billion Pixels/sec (8 ROPS x 500MHz)
PS3 - 4.0 Billion Pixels/sec (8 ROPS x 500MHz)

Frame Buffer Bandwidth
Xbox 360 - 256.0 GB/sec (dedicated for frame buffer rendering)
PS3 - 20.8 GB/sec (shared with other graphics data: textures and vertices)
PS3 - 10.8 GB/sec (with 10.0 GB/sec subtracted for textures and vertices)
PS3 - 8.4 GB/sec (with 12.4 GB/sec subtracted for textures and vertices)

Texture/Vertex Memory Bandwidth
Xbox 360 - 22.4 GB/sec (shared with CPU)
Xbox 360 - 14.4 GB/sec (with 8.0 GB/sec subtracted for CPU)
Xbox 360 - 12.4 GB/sec (with 10.0 GB/sec subtracted for CPU)
PS3 - 20.8 GB/sec (shared with frame buffer)
PS3 - 10.8 GB/sec (with 10.0 GB/sec subtracted for frame buffer)
PS3 - 8.4 GB/sec (with 12.4 GB/sec subtracted for frame buffer)

Shader Model
Xbox 360 - Shader Model 3.0+ / Unified Shader Architecture
PS3 - Shader Model 3.0 / Discrete Shader Architecture

Try not to hurt yourself while reading this SONYBOT!

...once I read it was from a Peter Moore interview I stopped reading. Just an executive running his mouth like they all do

folds slower, the more consoles that do it would be better than just the PS3 right?

Think of it this way, if the ratio(I'm not totally sure but go with it) for a 360 to PS3 out there is 2 to 1.

Wouldn't it still be good to use the folding@home project? Granted it wouldn't do it as fast, and not all people would use folding@home on the 360, but the same would hold true with the PS3.

With all the PS3's and 360s linked(make the folding@home project to fit the 360 system), wouldn't all the 360 combined and the PS3's make it better overall?

I could be wrong but its just an idea.

seriously kevin, get a life. wtf is with ur 3 page long posts?

PC's that are 5 years old and very underpowered, I mean if they(scientist) wanted they could have the Wii doing it, so don't get all..."Only the ps3 can do Folding", b/c that's not even close to being true.
Me personally, I'd like to help but only on my PC b/c I want to only use my Xbox 360 for gaming, using a console, any console, for folding is going to wear your console out a year or two quicker than normal.

Besides, when I'm not gaming I'm downloading movies to watch, like "Blood Diamond"....

The cell is simply better at this ype of t hing tahts a well known fact.

achira
You sir are a fool
Almost every 360 game out right now is better than Motorstorm!
And listen to that fool saying that the PS3 cell has 9 processors......PFFFTTT....... lol they are SPE's and are weaker than the main CPU and they are 7 cause 2 got shutdown before PS3 got released, and only 6 are free cause one SPE is reserved for the PS3 background!

Lol talks about a waste of time. Enjoy lair's 6 hour campaign and no online. haha

Every game that comes out doesn't need online. What's next, people are gonna cry about tomb raider not being online?

if i am folding, how do i change my ps3 to idle mode? also, can the ps3 download stuff from playstation store while idle?

Energy crises, I suppose you people think human beings are causing global warming. Consider this, Global warming has already happened on the earth, long before we came to be. And at this very momment it is happening on nearly every planet in the solar system. FACT!

Almost every xbox360 game is better,lmao. Played them all have we?

At this momment in time, F@H can only be done on cpu, and some ati cards.

http://www.custompc.co.uk/c...

Read that. They originally wrote the software for nvidia gpu's, but when 1900series came out, they used that instead. Obviously Nvidia 78,79 class were not as good for folding. But now g80 is.

Onto the Games.

This is to all xbox360 fans who knock Lair.Heavenly sword.

Wait till you see these games running in realtime upclose and personal.

You might change your mind!

Because for $60 it better have online. How much sweeter would VF5 and lair have been if there was multiplayer.

anyone have a textfire extinguisher? this is brutal. they are just game systems....geez. why do any of you care which is better at protein folding? Systems can fold as much protein as they want, that still says nothing about the games on the system. The system with the best games will be the most fun. End of discussion.

Haven´t read half your comments, and I wont either. But seriously, who tha fak cares what their motives are? If they help, no matter what their motives are, GOOD. Fak sake, get over your ridiculous fanboyism, get a life DORKS and realize that this might actually help some of you who burn out your brains 5 hours (or more) a day playing videogames and masturbating (cus NONE of you have, or will ever, get laid). Saw someone say that Sony made absolutely no profit from this, are you retarded? Put aside the fact that you like performing oral sex on your playstation for two seconds and understand that just as MS would use this to appear as a good deed and score propaganda points (thats advertisement for stupid people like you), JUST LIKE PS IS ALLREADY DOING!

Read a book for fak sake

but Sony does have certain restrictions and GPU computations wouldn't be of much use on the 360 nor PS3 since they do only a small range of computations very quickly. CPUs are superior for range of computations, which is where Cell slaughters Xenon (triple-core PowerPC)

Just a short comment on the incredibly stupid thing you wrote about global warming. You said this: "Energy crises, I suppose you people think human beings are causing global warming. Consider this, Global warming has already happened on the earth, long before we came to be. And at this very momment it is happening on nearly every planet in the solar system. FACT!" Besides the FACT that it isnt a FACT that it is happening on nearly every planet in the solar system... Yes, whe know it has happened on Tellus (thats earth..) before, the difference is that this time its happening at a VERY high speed. Please, the least you can do is watch Mr Gore´s movie, enlighten yourself. And if you happen to be one of the fakheads that voted for Bush, please just commit suicide, and take you videogame with you, please.

Could someone please explain to me how sony's 8 processors do less than the 360s 3 processors.

It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, the archetecture should be in the ps3s favor because its 8 a multiple and exponent of 2 thusly able to line them up, so are the 360s processors individually that much more powerful? How is this possible?

I think that's mistake in the interview

Peter moore meant "XBOX 360 can beat PS3 in melting", that's right.

Sony doesn't make money off of this, but i bet MS will try. MS would charge you double for the electricity bill of your 360 if they could. Vultures

http://folding.stanford.edu...

If it is it could be used for folding, but for now it looks like it can be done only on PC with X1900.
Also FOLDING on X1900 can be used for very limited and specific range of simulation.
Cell provides much greater simulation range that can handle and of course PC CPU being general purpose can handle whole range but it is really slow.

I think by know everybody knows that 360's GPU is very good one, most likely a bit better than PS3's GPU. And CELL is much faster than 360 CPU.
THAT IS NOT a NEWS ANYMORE!

In that case, the RSX could run circles around the Cell, because last time I checked, the RSX is not that much weaker than the Xenos, kthx.

If the 360 can contribute with Folding@home it could be a great aid, and if the 360 is better, good for the humanity don't you think?

But MS stop the stupid talking and do it, simple :)

I think all of you forgot that the only reason for folding@home its for research, It means the user contributes to this cause, you are NOT getting benefits. SO basically if folding@home helps humanity, it means ALL of us, would it really matter if it comes from ps3 or xbox or wutever???? seriously people, who gives a d^mn about which gives better results, it is helping all of us!

yea first of all i dont know what all that garbage means but newayz it says the 360 could beat the ps3 in folding home(honestly whatever the hell that means) main point being COULD COULD COULD COULD not a certaintity. i love how so many people jump on little things on this. honestly this is flame bait

Because this will never happen in any other shooter, ever!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=...

well i havent read all the comments, and I dont plan on wasting more of my life searching through them but this is what i have to say....

there is no way to compare the CPU to a GPU, you just really cant do it.... yes they may be simular but they both do numerous different aspects of computing, of which differ themselves.

now i am not calling any console better, but this idiot writing this article said no facts, except for names of parts and of course stated only his personal speculation....

"Microsoft knows all the deficiencies of IBM's sluggish in-order triple-core PowerPC that is built inside its own console, and does not want to get soundly beaten by IBM's Cell. However, it is unclear whether the Vole of Redmond is aware that it has something far more powerful inside its own boxes." - then why does Microsoft continue to use their product, why didnt they make their own CPU? but wait now you are saying Microsfot doesnt even know what they are doing in their own console?..."However, it is unclear whether the Vole of Redmond is aware that it has something far more powerful inside its own boxes"... -they built the thing..

"The Geforce 7900 inside the PS3 is no match for Xenos in the Xbox. Even the Sony Cell would probably end beaten by 48 vec4+scalar units hidden inside Xbox's 360 graphics chip" - Ok, i am not agreeing or disaggreeing, but would you like to show some evidence in this claim? you really cant write a "professional" article in hopes people will accet it, if you dont provide any evidence of research? and probably??? cmon people cant take this serious...

"Folding@Home is Stream Computing at its finest, and six/seven/eight SPE units can flourish in the CPU. But when compared to the GPU, the Xbox 360 GPU would probably run in circles around Cell CPU" - the cell inside the ps3 was built for floating point calculations, i believe it clocks out at 2.8 tera flops..... THATS WHAT IS WAS MADE TO DO! the cell was made for stream line computing, as F@H is.... the 360 was made for gaming, hence why the cell is used in super computers and nobody else touches the gpu inside the 360....

"the Xbox 360 GPU would probably run in circles around Cell CPU. " -AGAIN with the probably.....

So basically this guy is just taking a stab at this and saying what he THINKS is right, without prooving a dang thing?? call me stupid, and I may have overlooked/underlooked something but i cant find this source/man/article credible in any way......

your wrong.

Get your facts straight, and no bush is a tosser. Plus i'm not american(not everyone is you know:)

Jupiter,Enceladus,Saturn,Plut o,Mars. All have been observed to have global warming occuring.

Remember the 12th century(oops of course you don't) it occured on earth back then. Maybe it was americas suv's.

Or is the matter of fact, that chicago creates its own weather, when its the holidays, all your huge cars,trucks etc, hit the streets and mess with your weather system. This is still under invesigation. (bush will probably fuk it off)

ever wonder if its a thing called the sun, heating our planet and other planets up, If you look closely you might see a black spot, or go blind doing it.

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Xbox360 is for life, but only lasts till christmas.

so 360 fanboys site wrote a bs article about the capability of 360 in folding home, and xbots are dumb enough to trust it.

haha...if Bill Gate said he is gay, then xbox fanboys will rush to his defense saying: no he's straight!

look at all these people posting comments, some of them haters and some of them hardcore fanboys.Interesting isn't it?

Go get a life because if you are posting here you have no life. Guarenteed.

I think you are right sly, people need to stop taking their favorite console and automatically relating it to thinking that the company behind it is better than the others, just enjoy your games and move on sheesh

is because the emphasis placed by Sony on PS3's folding ability. I've had to read 100's (no i'm not exaggerating) of articles on the topic. It is for a wonderful cause and I applaud the effort to get PS3 owners to help humanity! Its one of the very few positive Sony PR items post Xmas. These guys #1 are not the most reliable journalists (and I use the term loosely with them), but they do break some big news on occasion like 1 in 20.

The GPU is capable of doing the calculations as they are simple and repetitive (what the cell excels at), so comparing the two isn't too far off base.

As for the overheating worry, unless you own a 360 manufactured in 2005, I wouldn't stress it. My first two were produced in 05 and both got the rings of death (but replacements did come even after the warrantee was up at no cost!), but the third I got last March has lasted since with me doing all night gaming sessions and leaving the thing on accidentally when watching movies and falling asleep. My girlfriend's has never had one problem and we got hers last April and she uses hers more than I use mine. BASICALLY, UNLESS YOURS IS 2005 early 06 then don't fear the rings (unless you put it in the microwave or something).

I'm tired of the FUD argument especially from hypocrite PS3 only owners who complain about FUD (fear, uncertainty, doubt) articles all the time!

Simply put stop yourself!

i think this is a PR. move they are tring to figure out a way to sell more xbox 360. figuring if you leave your xbox 360 on long enough it will kill over and you will have to buy a new one. ITS GENIUS.
its just a joke kiddies. so dont throw a fit.

This Whole Idea is going down the stool!

The article doesn't reveal anything that should cause these many post.

Fact is Folding is a 98% processing program. The other 2% is the graphics that it displays.

So as is, the PS3 has a better Processor to calculate all the math that folding requires. Cell is made for massive calculations.

But the GPU in the 360 is better then the GPU in the PS3. So if folding relied more on GPU then CPU then the 360 would hands-down beat the PS3 in folding.

As it stands Folding programmers would have to figure out a way to turn the GPU processor in the 360 to a second processing unit (CPU) on the 360 just to get good results.

Turning this into a systems war is pitifull for shame on this article for shame!

If all the 360 owners folded 2 it would be good since there is alota 360 owners out there.

....if half of you gave a damn about actually curing something, we might make some progress. Instead all the lovers of the "All Powerful PS3" would rather moan and whine at the mere suggestion that MS(headed by a man who donates millions to charity yearly) would dare involve itself in "YOUR" battle against cancer. Its truly puzzling. But in the frame of mind of a gaming forum; why don't you guys answer this, How long can you guys continue to claim to have a superior machine when a less powerful, year older, last-gen media using, wanna-be gaming console constantly produces better looking and smoother playing multi-platformers? How many reviews do you have to read pointing out the lack of (insert next-gen anything) in the PS3 version, and questioning why it's possible on the less powerful 360? To be honest, if MS supported Folding@home for 360, I would do it just to come to the forums and share the numbers with these silly Sony kids. Sorry, probably get some flak for this post too, but I'm still PLAYING GAMES ON MY GAMING CONSOLE.

WOW....predictable, I knew it....I saw the headline and just like most of you I knew it was filled with hundred's of people arguing over which "videogame" console is better at "folding". -SAD. or am I wrong 'cause I only read the first 10 or so. All I will say is that if they implement this on the 360 then thats good for those who choose to do it, if they don't then the worlds not going to end. -Either way I don't care if the 360 can "beat" PS3 in folding.

LMFAO @ 180 plus comments thus far! MS can't even think about this until the Blu-Ray is inside and they have some spin off of CELL technology. I wouldn't be surprised if the next MS console actually looks and interfaces like the PS3. That's the direction things are moving. Sleeker, sexier, blacker, faster, vaster. The CELL eats numbers for breakfast. Everyone knows that; that's where it's most comfortable - in a galaxy of numbers flying around performing calculations at the speed of light, without letup or fatal errors. The [PS3], it's the true epitome of the word, "Machine." Get it? =]

The most succinct of all comments thus far w/o a doubt: Shadow Flare 4 -- "Since when has anyone cared about any components in the 360? Do scientists care? Do engineers use 360 components in supercomputers? If the cell chip is used in a supercomputer when nothing in the 360 is used in supercomputers, then id suggest the cell chip is far better suited to crunching numbers, doing a hell of alot more calculations per second and therefore its better suited to folding@home.

Put aside the fact that EVEN IF the 360 could do it better than ps3, the reliabilty of the system is of serious concern; i know reliability is brought up alot with the 360 but its because it has CRAP RELIABILTY

Im not against 360 doing folding@home because it is for a good cause. What im against is microsoft and there fake 2-faced attitude. They pretend to care about folding@home but i bet it never crossed their minds. What they're more concerned with is making the xbox 360 seem better than the ps3. Constantly. But thats microsoft's mind-set though isn't it, do anything for profit. Even if it involves putting your competition down over medical research."

Too true - this deserves an encore and remembrance.

P.S. 78 - kevin - you're worrying me dude. Don't worry about these dudes so much man. It's not worth it.

Folding@home. Cheers

ps3 and 360 are so close.

who gives a flunk about which has what.

they both have the good and bad.

no matter what dvd player you use,
the movie is still going to be the same.

mad, the amount of blind people on this site, face the fact, the cell is not what it should of been, and this is coming from a gamer of many consoles

is stupid I mean who cares. Ihave a PS3 and don't run folding it's a waste of time for my console. Does it really matter if 360 could beat the ps3. M$ isn't doing folding and will probably never get involved in it, so this is a dead topic.

PS3 beats the graphics card in the XBox 360 and not even the XBox 360 gpu can beat the Cell this article is more BS considering its probably made by an XBox 360 fan there is no proof that the XBox 360 Xenos graphics out done the RSX graphics considering it cant do the graphics of Lair or Heavenly sword or Virtua Fighter 5 considering Virtua Fighter 5 for the XBox 360 doesnt even look shiny or slick like the PS3 Virtua Fighter 5. and plus this article is not even close to telling the truth

ATM it doesn't.
No need to debate such thing when there REALLY isn't nothing to compare.
XO doesn't do folding, PS3 does. That's it.

first of all is not a Geforce-7900 and Folding@Home said that the ps3 was much better than 360,does are scientist and they know what they are talking about;Folding@Home is for 3D image to search new proteins on the cancer or other diseases in 3D. this is just crap from some xbox fan-boy.
ps3 is selling better than xbox360 coparing the launch days,you are just people who wana see the playstation down.i dont know why,but i think just because xbox is n.american.namerican people like rednecks just think that there product is better no matter what

just like ford autos,i know a lot of rednecks like xbox fans,who think ford is the best car on the world.and is not true at all.

Total BS.