"since we have last gen hardware were gonna go sub-hd yay"

I mean really the majority of HD era games can be done on the PS2 to begin with, the just slap the HD paint on them and ship them out to consumers. Batman: AA and others can be done on PS2 (it may not look as good but can be done.)

feel your testicles shrink in its presence.

Sony are so the best..
Dam you Microsoft, you are going to make all games 480p now, dam...

man give us gamers atleast a new halo engine. we atleast deserve that you dont even give us high def. bastards

Cos every ps3 game runs ar 1080p right?

This will be to help developers make games for Natal (casual gamers couldnt give a flying fcuk if a game is running at 720 or what have you), in the 4 years the x360 has been out running high def games has not been a problem, so why all of a sudden would it be?

My ass its been dropped Microsoft has taken the initiative like always to give developers a CHOICE. Smart move Microsoft........stands up and applauds.

"casual gamers aint going to give a "flying fcuk" about Natal....Fact!"

And you know that because your future self came back in time and told you this......

A fact is something that is acknowledged with undenyable evidence supporting the subject in question

I think it's good that they're opening their doors to more developers. More support is never a bad thing. But what happens when the shovelware factories who have filled up the Wii catalog see this and flood the 360 library with ports and other rubbish?

Let's hope this doesn't happen. The 360 library is a respectable one (ATM)..

This will actually help some games look better with AA on.

If the xbox360 is sub hd that makes the ps3 sub hd because GTA4 on ps3 runs at 630P so yes developers have a CHOICE either to make the game 1080p or Sub HD.

So no you can't call the ps3 HD when it has Sub HD games.

...SUB on the xBox 360" ;-D

M$ should use that!!! ;-D (Er not sure it makes sense tho)

Well personally i would rather have paedos knocking one off over a virtual boy than a real life one, as for your comments on Natal, only time will tell on how successful it will be and how developers can utilise it, personally it doest interest me, i love my control pad but remember not everyone shares the same taste, with the amount of Marketing MS will be doing when its released, you can be pretty sure that its more likely to be a success than a failure

If an xbotter asked me how to fly a kite

I would tell him to run off a cliff.

Eh, no biggie I guess. COD4 was like 600 or 640p or something like that and I thought (and still think) the game looks amazing so... to each his own

If you look at COD WAW you can clearly see the Sub-HD graphics, and I think it's a shame. Certainly the next gen should make it a priority to shoot for 1080p 60FPS as standard.

Now they are dropping the quality of their games to sub-HD, keep it up MS, you are doing great.

HEY SDF boys, MS sold the 360 with 720p as there main goal because at the time there were no 1080p tv's and the consumer being stupid as they can be some times they wouldn't have a clue what 1080p was any why, but now that 1080p full hd tv are becoming the norm, they are leaving it up to the dev to decide which res they want, there will be no native 480p games made for this system or the ps3, The only SD games will be Arcade games but even they will be up-scaled in the end so don't go dreaming that, MS are down scaling HD to SD, AT TGS were going to see who has the games that look SD:)

It's going to take one more generation before we see 8x anti-aliasing (you guys will love it at 1080p, trust me) along with some other upgraded GPU capabilities.

damn... i really hope developers dont actually go and use this so called "freedom" ...

640p's look good in 720 p tv's but i dont want that to be a norm

Can't believe people don't care about about this, seems to be a lot of double standards. These are supposed to be HD consoles, so I expect HD resolutions or we will get more situations like Ghostbusters.

I think too much of the focus here is on the removal of the HD requirement. Lower HD allows for greater 4xMSAA anti-aliasing, which makes things look gorgeous, while higher HD doesn't allow for the same technique (which means simultaneous vertical and horizontal anti-aliasing) in most cases, thanks to GPU drain. It's a situation with advantages and disadvantages on either side. In short, sacraficing the HD a little can have some real benefits.

For more info on the techy side of anti-alias vs HD, and to see why lower HD isn't all bad, read the original feature from which the news story's quotes came from:

http://www.develop-online.n...

This reminds me of when the Sony dropped the PS2 to $149 and Microsoft dropped the Xbox to $149 the following week only to raise the price to $179 like a few months later. They over sell themselves only to retract. Simular to the HDMI and 1080p issue.

I think its a good thing, and will allow devs a little more freedom/creativity underneath the MS hammer of justice

this is gold

owning a high end PC, i find it really patetic all those fanboys fighting over 720p :)

it's so funny all these console fanboys fighting over 720p :)

are they changing the name to subbox360

Last Gen hardware.... MS intended the 360 to be just a slightly upgraded PS2. The first ones shipped WITHOUT HDMI. That's gotta say something about MS.

when i saw this news on the top it has 640 degree...

On topic, as long as the game looks great that extra 80 lines of detail doesn't matter that much. I.e.: Super Mario Galaxy looks great at 480p. I'd trade that 80 vertical lines with smarter A.I.

Nothing brings out the experts like an article like this.

Please don't tell me super mario galaxy looks good on a HDTV, because no wii game does.

Heck without the DVD upscaler in the PS3, DVD'S look poor if you switch it off.

Don't get me wrong, wii games are playable on hdtv, but they dont look good.

http://www.bing.com/videos/...

Now that was taken from a camera, imagine that on big tv on PS3.

The wii would crumble with those graphics.

Why restrict the devs from running a game higher than 720p?

What's new? The 360 can't do 1080p anyway. With its inferior tech, the most you can do is sub-hd. And even in that res it still overheats. lol.

vsync FTW

"Are you kidding or are you really that stupid? Anything your measly PS3 can play, even a mid-range gaming PC could play with ease."

Yet Pc gamers with all their 'SUPER DUPER HIGH END PC's' tried and tried and tried to make GTA4 look better yet it ended up looking like a PS1 game in high res which is a disgrace.

You would need a really good high end PC to run something like Uncharted 2 because I've seen the urban screenshots of Crysis away from the jungle environment and it looks really really bad seriously, it looked more worse then a 360 game running with 4x'sAA.

MS isn't dropping the 720 minimum to make non-HD games for the casual masses, that's not what the article said at all. They're doing it to allow devs to decide for themselves between 720 at 2xAA or a lesser definition at higher anti-aliassing.

It's a trade-off to respond to screens outputting at a rescaled 768 resolution. If the TVs are going to screw up the definition, then MS decided to allow devs to focus on AA instead.

XBOX 360: Bringing watered down PC gaming to the masses.

Console gaming devolved.

I laugh at all you who think (or try to make out) that you know what you are talking about.

My advice... go do some research before typing anything!

ps3 fanboy heaven. just look at the agrees on all the BS comments posted to stir up xbox fanboys. some of these comments are just plain idiotic and they get double agrees to disagrees. do the math!!!

PS3 fanboys are like a disease. what drives a PS3 fanboy to lose all common sense. is it just that the console is aimed at tools.

on topic... nobody sticks to 720p anyway (PS3 & 360)??? why is this news. if there is a requirement that isn't enforced then it is just a guideline.

Click stealing m*thaf*ckers!

very misleading title. they haven't added or taken away anything they've just changed the rules on games being required to restricted to 720p. they can go like soul calibur 4 and do 1366x768.

it has nothing to do with making games sub HD. developers could do so if they needed, but still. it's 4 years in, 720p is something we've come to expect anyway.

i dont see anybody dinging sony on their claims...let's see when 4d comes into play this gen :\

anyway, it's nothing to get festered over. just fanboys twisting sh!t again. lol. they could learn to read and only talk when they know what theyre talking about...

Beans and rice.

microsoft's own Halo 3 is 1152x640

LOL

All Microsoft is doing is not forcing devs to work solely on 720p native games. I'm sure Sony is the exact same way, and allows all resolutions for the Playstation 3.

It doesn't say they're doing it to make sub-HD games at all...

what gave it away?

Once they got off the streets and went to hell is was GG. If they just polished the games more and gave them SOME seriousness, they could have been sick. Falling through the floor, walking in the sky, and punching people and them flying into the aether could only happen so many times. Only games with more glitches is ANYTHING from Bethesda.

Thats fine. Its a lot better off that way otherwise we get disappointments like SR reboot and idk the many other constant sequels that were unnecessary.

This is what happens when no clue CEOs put market researchers in control over people who actually make games. Same with movies and music, they sterilise everything to chase the maximum appeal and end up boring everyone.

The last release was…. Not good. Felt like a game directed by marketing analytics.

It's not dead, you killed it.