Seeing how their ports suck, that's not surprising.

Yeah, they couldn't do that on the PS3, because they actually don't know how to code properly on the PS3 xD

They didn't say it could NOT be done, they said they "doubt" it could be done. The article clearly says that developing on one platform is easier and you don't have to deal with the restraints of the other platform. I guess every developer has his favorite console too.

It doesn't make sense but ok, they are developers not me

you true and i mean true gamers dont let people mislead you about the ps3 power just give them time and calm down,just relax you will see.

So how is Assassin's creed going to compare? Is it gonna be way different on the PS3 then it is on the 360?

IF Assassin's is gonna play and look the same on Both systems why can't Splinter Cell? I'm not gonna buy the game anyways but I just wanna know.

didnt i just SAY CALM DOWN AND BE PATIENCE,just give them time with the ps3 the games already look good.

I guess I have to accept them at their word, but I really dont see anything here that couldn't be done on either machine. If the engine was written for Xbox then yeah it would of course be coded differently, but if they wrote it for PS3 and since you could dedicate a SPU to physics entirely if you needed to it doesn't sound believeable to me.

I'm especially skeptical since Ubisoft have yet to show any real love towards the PS3 so I dont really believe they know the full potential of PS3 yet. Well at least they certainly haven't attained it.

For whatever reason (they like the ease of use, they like the bigger userbase) it seems Ubisoft have chossen their favourite and are sticking with it at least for now. Thats a shame for Sony only gamers.

If thats how you want to go Ubi, fair enough but at least give the ports still coming the attention they deserve. The PS3 userbase won't be small forever you know and I'm sure you'll be back once sales get near 10 Million.

No, just because they're developers, doesn't me we have to take their bullsh!t. Unless they state specifically what it is that prevents it from being on the PS3, then I don't buy it. I'm an XBox fan, but even I know their talking out their arse. It's just the same sh!t as Factor 5 saying Lair can only be done on the PS3.

I understand that both consoles have their different strengths, and I believe only exclusives will really show what each console can do, but I don't see what it is that couldn't be done as a PS3 exclusive.

How long before this game multi-platform?

I guess.

Just make the game good. O.K.

splinter cell is not so great anyway hehe
MGS4 can no way be seen on x box

Ubisoft is just lazy

Lair x box chance Nil
killzone Nil

Gta Sorry lol there having probs all ready hehehe

F**k X box there done in september

Halo will be there last big game
Maybe gears if it fits on a cd LOL

The reason why they can't port is simple.

Xbox 360>PS3

make from scratch on ps3 and port to x box
they fear doing that cause they will go nuts with ps3 power and the cell
making it hard to port to x box

How, that really sucks for ps3

just wait some time and you will see. =)))

At leaast factor 5 gave some specifics as to why Lair could not be done on the 360. Besides, everyone knows it's a lot harder to port from 360 to PS3 than from Ps3 to 360.

What the developer is trying to say at the current state of their programming skill the team lacks the knowledge to program for the PSP. Same excuse developers with the exception of Team Ninja have been showing. If you can't do it blame the hardware, and let those with skill create the games that play beyond!

The ONLY advantage that the 360 has over the PS3 is the unified memory setup and the fact that the ATi video card is about 1/4 the time faster than the 7800GTX in the PS3.

However, and remember this is coming from a tried and true 360 fanboy, I think the PS3 will (over time) be able to compesate for the slightly slower GPU speed and slightly less available system RAM with the fact that it has FASTER RAM and a hard-drive.

Just watch - the PS3 will catch up.

it is UBISOFT ... who cares?
how long you still want to play splinter cell?
the series died when part 2 came out.

it is not like final fantasy series ... there is alway a different game. but splintercell?

ubisoft mutates to ea ... it is no class but mass ...

Next week

G.T.A canceled on 360

It would be so nice if the devs clear that out instead of trying to sell their product in among 10mill. userbase.

Lair isn't doable on 360 for it has:
-progressive mesh(possible only with Cell)
-Full ocean fluid physics(Cell)
-32X32 miles intact, non-loading stages(Cell)
-Enhanced controls(more than buttons...due to motion control)
-Much more than 8GB data(Blu-ray...even TGS 2006 demo was 4GB)
-1080p native(Dah ! its PS3 !!!)
etc.

Moreover MGS4 isn't doable on 360 for its size and scale...as Kojima himself said that even Blu-Ray might not be enough for it !

So...I'll wait for a true perspective when Ubisoft talks technology...and the way they can't do it on PS3, for the time being, its more of a joke !

this game was a 360 exclusive anyway they are just making up any excuse i own a ps3 and a 360

and splinter cell was a xbox game to start with mgs owns all splinter cell games to dark and controls suck

splinter cell is not a game that will decide a console war its a yearly C average game at best

and here they come bashing the splinter cell series now...

I don't know about you guys, but I can't wait for Sony exclusives such as warhawk and KillZone 2. These two games have me interested. I do agree Ubisoft has really become lazy. I can't wait for alittle game called Haze. It if being programmed by Free Radical, the people behind the Timesplitters series. I hope Black 2 comes out soon. Peace out....

Well Ubisoft is not the first developer to slam the ps3. Just one of many reasons to own a 360. And the ps3??? Well atleast you can watch movies on it or try to get a girlfriend on Home. :D

if one looks at the scans , mgs4 is arguably better looking than sc5 (no disrespect to the sc series ) . so why is sc5 not doable on ps3? physics maybe ? nah i dont think so....anyways , the stale gameplay of sc needs a major overhaul

i fail to see what all the ruckus is about.
Every game so far can be done on BOTH the 360 and the PS3, there is no such thing as 'no way' in programming. Yes, Lair could be done on the 360, i fail to see the problem, the huge areas are limited by RAM and not by CPU, as both consoles have the same amount of RAM overall i see no prob for a Lair with 32*32 km area on the 360, the GPU can't be the limiting factor, as the 360 GPU is slightly better than the PS3 one.
Leaving the massive parallel concept of the Cell vs the normal dualcore structure of the 360s CPU. So what ? so you need more amount of sorting and moving to manage the calculations, so you will need to dumb down the ai or other effects some, thats no reason on why Lair could not be done on a 360. The same is true for the other side, there is no reason why Halo3 wouldn't be possible on a PS3. And don't get me startet on MGS4, YES, MGS4 is possible on the 360, just take the final ammount of space and divide it by 9GB voila. Sure, no one would be insane enough to buy a game on 5 DVD's as the changing would be uberbad, but its still not impossible.

The only reason here is marketing.

Whats more strange is, that the "source" only states that the devs said so and i can't find the actual quote there, and as i am not able to read suomi i wonder how a FINISH mag is posted on an Aussie page. Far stretch imho ...

SO SONY DROIDS

You believe that MGS4 and Lair couldn't be done on the 360 when a dev says so...

BUT

You don't believe Ubisoft saying that the next SC can't be done on the PS3.

Something there smells like rotten fish, and right... it's the Sony fanboys! You crack me up over and over again

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@ Kornbeaner (below)

Dude. What have we actually seen from Lair or MGS4? Besides some CGI MGS4 material and few ingame stuff from Lair? Gears of War looks as good, if not better then that. Bioshock looks as good if not better then that, Mass Effect looks as good if not better then that.

Thus: BULLSH!T FROM YOU AGAIN

Oblivion was worked on a full year extra for the PS3 version. The PS3 costs for development on a game are about 5 times as high as on the 360. Now you may choose on which platform a developer can produce the same graphics more easily, faster and earn more returns on their investments.

HINT: certainly not the PS3...

What I just wanted to point out is that you and other Sony droids have no, but then actually not a freakin' point to prove your statement but you believe in it, but then when some developer says the PS3 can't cope a game, suddenly it's bull.

Now that's BULL so shut the f*ck up and go play some BluRay movies

@ darknight_72 (below)

DUDE that's exactly what I meant with some sarcasm there about the Sony droids that say: these PS games can't be done on the 360, but the other way around is impossible...

EDIT @ Kornbeaner (again)

Okami, cool game. Buy a PS2 for 99 Euro now overhere and I'll be able to enjoy that. Same with God of War 2. Great game, but that's no PS3 stuff.

Do I want to play stuff of other regions? Nah not really. Blue Dragon Jap version? I don't understand their language dude, do you? USA/Eu releases are almost the same (Gears of War 10 nov. USA, 17 nov Eu, C&C3 about on the same date, 10 May, Forza 2 29 May USA, 8 june Eu) so I have no idea what that has to do with if a game can be made or is made for a console or not.

One thing to remember: SC won't even come to the PS3 because it's exclusive. It might be able to run it, but it won't so what's the trouble about?

@ Bonsai1214 (below)

Ubi is still great. Rainbow Six: Vegas, damn fine 4 player co-op experience on the 360, face mapping with the vision cam your own face in it, lip sync talking when you speak

Ah w8 the PS3 version doesn't have these options. Probably not capable of doing it. BUMMERRRRRRR

Ah well who cares anyway rather give my money to non lazy dev companies.

The last game in this series blowed any way. I don't even want this game coming to the ps3. Plus ubisoft is just rubbing balls.

I won't get to play a game that's Worse than MGS.

This article has probs been spun so much - it barely resembles what the people actually said in the interview. As a few people have mentioned both the Cell and the 360's Xenos processors are very different pieces of kit. Programming for both - especially for advanced graphic functions is tiresome job and could result in a poor port of the game.

I don't think Ubisoft want to join the crowd of poor PS3 ported games and stick to the easier development of the 360 title and focuss on what they know about it. This should mean at least if it does come out for Xbox360 it will be a GOOD game, and won't have a crappy Ported version to come out a month later which tarnishes it's image.

But from my perspective - I couldn't give a monkeys ass about this game and it's boring mediocore series because Metal Gear Solid is just miles better - in every aspect and it's going to be around the same time this game comes out.

Sorry to spoil all you ps3 fanboys fun, but Kojima himself said that he could easily have done MGS4 on the 360, but he chose to do it on the PS3. Here's a video of one of the guys who spoke with Kojima regarding what he said. Go to about 4 minutes in and he talks about it. http://www.1up.com/do/featu...

Too bad for the PS3 fanboys, but in the end SC will be on the ps3 1 way or another, same for MGS.

IM OUT...///"""

link didn't work :(

wow, so this game isnt possible on the PS3 yeah ok, and LAIR isnt possible on the 360 yeah ok, do you people see a trend here? i have a feeling we as gamers are being played more than the games these F**KERS create.

I think this game is not going to be crap like some of you say. because its a exclulive its crap now last time i checked it still a good francise , And whats with the comparision against MGS which is another good game. I like both of them. its like we dont get it, we have to say it the games crap whats the point? No ones tryed it yet so no need to down play the game like some people are bashing mgs as well which no onces played yet.

Like the gthd and forza comparisions pointless i think totally different games but both about cars.
Also whats with the killzone 2 and halo comparision the devs started this one, totally different games again.
Some people are so sad.
Why cant you play them all? to hard for some.

All games can run on both systems i think but changes here and there to make it work but some devs just speak utter bulls1hit so they can sell there games.

Wow, this is clearly just a case of a dev hyping his game, you think dev's don't know that if they say: "hey look this game is exclusive because it can't be done on the other console"....fanboys will eat it up, because "OMG this can only be done on my favorite console", -of course the game is going to sell, but stuff like this gets more people talking about your game, which is good for sales.

Yes, if a game is specifically made to run only on that console then "technically" it can't run on the other, but saying it can't be done in most cases is just pure marketing....ahhh, I still remember Insomniacs qoutes prior to RFOM launch and fanboys ate that up too....-So tell me again why that game can't be done on the 360?....oh thats right because it was 16gigs....but ironically months later I remember them "explaining" why....well you know, I'm not trying to flame, lets wait & see the final product, -which I'm sure will be great but my point is that this is marketing, same as the PS3 dev's do, the fact is that the hardware spec's for both consoles are so close that it really isn't a question of hardware its really just a matter of who will actually be able to deliver the overall best ideas, content, vision, service, etc.(talent) = the best games.

-Daaayumm, just replace "PS3" with "Wii" in the qoute and everybody can stop arguing....oh I'm sorry the "Wii fans" will complain, but who cares? -j/k

Doesn't look like him very much. It could very well be a different character. Doing things in daylight isn't Sam's style. This seems like a Hitman game.

By the way, it cracks me up how one PS3 fanboy said "Wow what a shame.
I won't get to play a game that's worse than MGS." Can you say sour grapes? If you don't want to play anything worse than MGS, then you won't be playing too many games. As of right now, I won't get to play MGS since I don't plan on getting a PS3, but I'm not bitter about it (largely due to the fact that the 360 has SO MANY great games coming out, many of which are exclusives).

Muhahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahaha!!!!!!!!! Ubisoft has no idea how to use the ps3,just take a look at their recent ports on ps3;they suck big time.GRAW 2 ON PS3 is being done by a different dev team on ps3,because Ubisoft and Xgamer suck.Very strange coincidence?Rockstar saying they are having problems with the 360 and know Ubisoft?Hmmmmm......Money talk

swear people are getting more and more dumber everyday,starting with Mart the president of kiss Microsofts a$$ club,Mart are you really that dumb? I know Splinter Cell is Possible on the PS3,and MGS4 on the 360.this is just laziness on part of the developer.I mean it's no secret we all know you hate the PS3,might i suggest therapy because this much hatred for a game console is not normal.

What can't be done, from the screens it looks good but not great. I'm askin me how much did MS Ubisoft pay for saying that. I'm a pretty sure it's a reaction to the things Rockstar said yesterday, MS must have got pretty mad haha

you can take your splinter cell away from ps3 we don't need lazy developers.

retards who say the ps3 cant handle it are freakin stupid. everyone knows that both systems r builty way different, when they port a game to one another they have to do HUGE amounts of work. example, 6 months to port virtua fighter from ps3 to 360? over 3 months to port oblivion to ps3? its not that the system is garbage. i like both the 360 and ps3, im not gonna put one down because a developer got lazy. thats them, it only hurts their sales as i know there were alot of fans for of the series on the ps2 aswell as the other console.

lair devs developing for the ps3 hype up the ps3, ubisoft developing their exclusive 360 game hype up the 360.

no surprise...

is garbage regardless what x bots say and ass kissing developers.

from all that spin.

It's not laziness. It's dev tools for a start. At this moment in time the tools for 3rd party devs are much better for the 360. FACT.

There could be a grain of truth in what he's saying about the lighting...the lighting in Splinter Cell on PS3 was lacking. Reason is, is that the tools to do AA and HDR on the ps3 aren't quite there yet. But it is possible. Ninja Theory are doing 4xAA and HDR quite magnificently.

The lighting in GTHD is very good and that's at 1080p. Now the lighting in Motorstorm is even more impressive. And the lighting in Heavenly Sword is beyond spectacular...oh and Uncharted as well. DOn't underestimate those that have been working closely with the hardware and have found ways to get out of certain problems. But they have the tools....they've designed it from the ground up very closely with Sony...at the moment Sony hasn't been too close with Ubisoft. I'm sure that's very different with Assassin's Creed.

If you want to know more, give me a pm.

Of course 360 is garbage, that's why all it's fanboys are here. This little hoover just breaks too much, offers nothing but PC games in worse quality and rapes it's customers with ridiculously overpriced peripherals. Poor, poor xbugs :(

A SC game with good AI...yeah freaking right.I smell total BS on this one.

It's funny how you swallow everything and react to it as if it's dead serious. Does it matter if the game can't be done on the Ps3 as it's a 360 exclusive anyways? I don't care if Lair can't be done on the 360 since it's a Ps3 exclusive title.
What does matter to me is that I prefer Splinter Cell over MGS and would be let down if I did'nt get to play it on the 360. Same goes with Forza vs GT. Not saying MGS or GT are bad games, just not my taste (MGS 3 wasn't as good as 1 & 2 and GT4 had nothing on Forza except for more cars). This is just my opinion, I'm not trying to p!ss anyone off.

With Ubisoft's love of money I doubt this will be exclusive for too long.
I think again guys we need to just relax if not wait for official word.

I had very HIGH hopes for the PS3 when I first heard it was in development... but the more and more I read about the PS3 and the 360 (prior to release of either system) the more I read one GameDev after another speaking on how much EASIER it is to design games for the 360 as opposed to the PS3 and its superior cell processors. Am I denying that the PS3 is the more powerful machine... not at all. But aren't THE GAMES the biggest factor in making a console GREAT or SUCCESSFUL? I'm not going to lie I own a 360 and not a PS3 (price and title library reasons) but I am certainly no fanboy and would happily adopt a PS3 if it made any sense to me, but as of now it doesn't. More and more games that were once PS3 exclusives are migrating to both the PS3 and the 360 where as I haven't heard of ANY 360 exclusives making the move to the PS3. So I think the game designers have spoken, not in an article, but by choosing which system(s) they make games for.

Cmon ubisoft.. is that only improvement you've got??? throwing chairs? james bond wannabe? cmon.. lazy devs

The website doesn't even quote what the dev's actually said, it's just there take on it, they could of said all manner of things then put it through on the most contreversial way, getting hits for the website.

Basically I want to know what Ubi actually said...

xbox can have Splinter Cell the game was an is a joke everything after the 1st one sorry but this just don't matter to me.

um, oblivion??? and they lost trusty bell aswell. whats that then lol. nah but seriously. we all know that ps3 and 360 are both great systems, 360 does have a huge problem with disk space tho,, 5 disk for blue dragon, WTF???? dead or alive 4 had to cut out alot of stuff because the disk space was so short. they need to fix that. sony, while it doesnt have many good games at the moment, u know why? the good games r taking a while to release.
final fantasy 13, ff13 verus, dmc4, ninja gaiden sigma, lair, white knight story,heavanly sword, assaisans creed, star ocean 4, warhawk, unreal 2007, resident evil 5, tekken 6 thats just to name a few that are coming out from 2007-2008. thats alot of goodness yeah like 3 are gonna be on 360 too, but its just part of ps3's soon to come line-up. all console launches are weak, but atleast we know good games are coming. fanboys annoy me, sony, MS, or nintendo. look for the games, give the consoles a chance to get on their feet regardless of launch or price, MS had almost 2 years out already, ps3 a few months. get over your selves. if ya want rushed games then expect crap, or a short game.

Wow the fanboys on this site are so dumb and annoying. If this game was only on the PS3 then you guys would be prasing Ubisoft like no other, however its on the Xbox 360 and PC so your gonna bash it. As for the 360 fanboys could not join the flame, if you are gonna post a comment, this applies to everyone, then please post a sensible comment which is not full of fanboy crap or insulting people.

I don't need to know if a game is achievable on a console or not. It's only reason for flaming the PlayStation 3/Xbox 360/Wii.

just an attempt for Ubisoft to hype up their games.... and cant say i really trust its source

Is there a flame war going on? FLAME ON!

Maybe it's true...and maybe they're not getting payed to say that. Maybe you're paying extra for no reason. Maybe TheMart and Power of Green will get hugged by their parents...

naw.

Ubisoft, Microsoft, has a little ring to it.

Yet everyone neglected the fact that splinter cell really isnt that good of a game and never has been, so why would the new one be?

only reasons i could see them saying this is because they would make more money releasing the game on x360, and the same goal or sales is not achievable on x360

and yes the ps3 does have a better processor, but the x360 has a better graphics card (512MB) and developers have only used max 256MB wait until they start using all the Ram of the graphics card!!!

this comment is not meant to flame or bash the PS3 but both consoles do tasks differently. I think the PS3 is capable of having more things going on at once then the X360 but the Xbox360 will always have SLIGHTLY better graphics.

A processor does not make good graphics folks - the processor is where most calculations take place

the graphics card the x360 has is superior and will result in better graphics, we have seen gears of war and sony fanboys like to say that gears of war will be the best x360 can do, bu keep in mind gears of war used max only 256mb of the graphics card.

It's interesting how Sony fanboys start hating on any developer that does not worship the PS3. Let them have an opinion about it, they sure as hell know more than you do since they work on it all day for years.

You were all happy flaming the xbox 360 when lair developer which I think it's fair to point out is in Sony payroll. Ubisoft is a big developer and can't be ignore regarless of how much you start hatting them for telling the truth base on their experience in both platforms. What they say should be taken more seriously compared to Lair's developers which have 0 development experience making games for other platforms.

I think it's about time you Sony fanboys realise that both the 360 and the PS3 have their strength and weakness and this will be directly reflected in different games, depending on what the developers are trying to achive. If you try to undestand why Ubisoft developers are saying that you see that they are not trying to flame the PS3. They are supporting the PS3 since they are making games for it and have lots of money invested on it. The PS3 is strong when it comes to storage (Blu-ray disk + hard drive always available) so for games that requires lots of disk space like metal gear or final fantasy this is a given. It's true that dvd drive is faster than the blu-ray drive that comes with the PS3 but being able to use the hard drive to speed things up compensate. Now where the 360 can do better than the PS3 with games that make great use of the GPU and the unified memory architecture. Specially for what they are trying to achive, "According to the article, every single object that is rendered on screen has physical properties and most of them can be used by Sam. For example, Sam can pick up furniture and use it as a weapon, or throw printers at enemies or papers in the face of enemies to gain the upperhand in fights." It's simple, the 360 has available memory than the PS3 to load game assets into memory and it's a no brainer for developers to use this assets easier.

So, take it easy; you have to give the 360 some credit, you can't expect the PS3 to be able to do everything better than the xbox 360 when it's already common knowledge that the 360 has a better GPU + memory architecture. Not everything is achive by more disk space you know.

Also, you should see how stupid you sound when you flame developers for giving their opinion or saying things like, "This game sucks anyways; Ubisoft sucks and they are lazy, they are just trying to promote their games, and all the other conspiracy theories you can come up with". Obviously if this would be a first party developer making a game for the PS3 and saying give lots of credit to the PS3 and you would be flaming the 360 and seing that developer as a god.
Grow up.

I believe this is another case of

"man we're too lazy to use new toolkits to make great games!"

This is the worst way to try and overhype a game especially when there's reports of GTAIV being held back by 360 and EA saying we have the best tools.

Woooo fanboy devs! haha I don't see why this is so controversial...the devs for Lair can say that the PS3 is the most amazing this in the history of the world and will make your coffee in the morning to wake you up but if Ubisoft says they can only do Splinter Cell on the 360 it's the end of the world? lol I have both systems so I don't care, but man it really is funny to watch how you people act. It's like going to the zoo and watching the monkeys throw poo at each other, it accomplishes nothing, but hey they feel good about it in the end.

Their saying that the PS3 can't make the crappy graphics in those screen shots?

Pu-leese Ubi. LOL

Can any of the Crying fanboys tell me why Ubi SUCKS NOW. Before when games like Assassins Creed were announced as PS3 exclusive Ubi was on top of their game and now you guys just slam them all the time.

Come on!!! What is really going on here!? Are you guys really happy with the ps3 or not!!?

You sure are gonna miss out on ALOT of good games this summer.

Blind Lemmings, Keep Waiting, and Waiting, and Waiting...

@75.1 Mary Jane: Unfortunately I can't "Hang out" with my friends all day and night long like you, I have to work and support my family. Enjoy that new PS3 game thats coming out this summer, its called "The Waiting Game".

screenshots again ... i do not see anything what the ps3 could not handle!?
jo man! trowing chairs to a cpu is so much eating hardware power and physiccapability omg the cell would never do it!

even the graphics do not own my eyes ...

assassin creed > splinter

just one more thing ... show me some ingame footage plz.

it seems they still haven`t figured out how to work with all the ps3 potential but to say this can be done on the ps3 is just a lot of balloni i highly doub this game will be as good as mgs lair or heavenly swords i won`t mention killzone becouse i`ve not see it.

I think the devs of LAIR gave a reason why 360 couldnt handle some stuff on LAIR aka cell calculations and what not, where as Ubisoft just came out no where and said this without explaining how and why the PS3 cant handle whatever they are trying to say, if its graphics, I dont see anything ground breaking, and AI? Anyone heard about Heavenly Sword. Until they give a full reason for whatever reason, this is just going to get worse.

ubisoft has really gotten slack, they can make ie this for ps3..they just don't want to....
when the price drops i want to see what the excuse is....also keep in mind they say...they doubt they would be able to achieve what they're doing with the game on the 360 on the ps3 even if it was ps3 exclusive.

they doubt = we don't know because we haven't tried....

That Playstation 3 cant handle this crappy game ? Lol, thats just propaganda from Xbox fanboys

I think people have lost focus. The main reason why Sony PS3 fans have so much trouble making a point about the PS3's power and the system abilities is because Sony has set up too many false expectations.

PS3 fans have no clue how the CELL is programmed, they do not listen to the reasons why it take 3-5 times the amount of developers to complete a PS3 game than it dose for the 360, PS3 fans have a chip on their shoulder so heavy that they will not even listen to reason, and you stoop down to insults and name calling false claims of messive defective 360's to get people to understand you points.

The question is what is your point? I think you guys are totaly diluted in you opinions. I'm not saying that this article is true but I am pointing out that allot of Development teams have made the same statement about the abilities of the PS3 vs 360.

The games we can go purchase ourselves have shown us the the 360 is the best option. So i think you guys should just stop being so offensive over this and take the view point that you just prefer Play station over XBOX. I think that would make things a little easier for you.

THis is going to be a biased comment because i never liked splinter cell. I played it for ps2, xbox, and computer, but i just don't like it; however, I find this new's article ridiculous. Here is my reason: all these developers are lying to us. Not just ubisoft, but others as well. Here's why: I read articles from developers saying, "well, this game would not be possible on the ps3." Then i turn around and read articles that say "such and such a game would never be possible on the xbox360." I just can't help but thinking these guys are just full of sh*t. lol...In about 2 years we will actually see what's possible and what's not on the consoles, but until then, this is BS. The developers knew full well that this article would be read be gamers. i think it's just a great ploy to garner attention.

It has already been reported that MS is paying Ubsoft to:
1- keep this 360 exclusive
2- design a game optimized for the 360 architecture

The latter point is key.

It is by now clearly understood by any informed observer that the 360 and PS3 have roughly comparable power but differing architectures. Which means that each console has strengths in areas the other is weaker in. It has long been proclaimed by PS3 supporters that a game optimized to take advantage of all the power of the Cell processor cannot be easily replicated on 360, but it must be understood that the converse is equally true: a game optimized to fully utilize 360 features cannot be replicated on PS3.

The reason MS is paying Ubisoft to develop this game is to provide a high-profile demonstration of this very point.

PS3's strength is the flotaing-point power of cell? Sure, that is easy to grant. But floating-point power isn't everything. Things like rendering efficiency and bandwidth matter, too. And the 360 devoted a lot of transistors (100 million or so) to the embedded-RAM frame buffer that provides features the PS3 cannot easily replicate. Similarly, the 360 GPU has a subset of DirectX10 features that are more efficient than the equivalent DirectX9 or Cell features needed to produce the same result in PS3; stuff like hardware-based procedural graphics, "cheap" AA, etc. Finally, the 360 OS has a smaller memory footprint than the dual PS3 OS kernels, to the tune of 64Mb or so.

These things add up.

So rest assured children, it *is* possible to craft a game that runs splendidly on 360 but cannot be easily replicated, if at all, on PS3. All you need is to use all the 360's available RAM in the most efficient way possible and you end up with a game PS3 can't run.

Doesn't mean that something comparable can't be coded to fit the advantages and constraints of the PS3 architecture, but that would require a ground-up redesign of the game so the finished product would be significantly and *noticeably* different, not the same product at all. And, as pointed out by the developer, *at this point* this is not doable. If nothing else because with a 50% higher development cost and a smaller installed base, it doesn't make economic sense to take a 360-optimized game and re-write it from the ground up solely for the PS3 market, which is maybe a third of the 360 market. In the future this might be doable but not this year or next.

Think of this as Microsoft's answer to the claim of Sony-centric developers that the 360 can't match a Cell-optimized game: a 360-optimized game that even a Cell-optimized game can't match.

A reminder to reinforce the point that the two consoles *are* different and optimized games *will* be very different.

Just another form of competition, really.
Think of this as a game of H-O-R-S-E: You can match your opponent by doing everything they do or you can concede the point and counter with a challenge to do something you can and he can't. There is more than one way to score a point, all that matters at the end is who gets "the most-est firstest". ;-)

Any reasonable observer knew this was doable and sooner or later guaranteed to happen. Well, MS decided to make it happen sooner rather than later because, with a larger installed base, they can *afford* to do it.And hardly new; the original Splinter Cell was a similar exercise. Nothing socking, really.

So what does the score look like, moving *forward*?
Lair, Heavenly Sword, Killzone, GT, MGS4, and FFXIII are the "prestige" exclusives for PS3.

Halo3, Mass Effect, Blue Dragon, PG4, Forza2, Lost Odyssey, Alan Wake, and now SC5 are the counters on the 360.
Eight to six. And the 360 exclusives are known quantities; they have known pedigrees and come with built-in audiences. And this doesn't include 3rd party games that may someday show up on PS3 but that for now are 360 exclusive.

Advantage: 360. For now.

Just because pundits scream that Sony is going to "eventually* "win" the console war, doesn't mean Microsoft is going to roll over and play dead for Sony, guys. They're going to make it as hard as they can. This move is just one of many to come.

Its going to be a fun ride.
Sit back and enjoy the games to come.

does anybody use the datel communicator headset for ps3? im on my second one, and when i use it, i can talk, but i cant hear anybody. does anybody have any suggestions? (the input and output are both set to the headset, so that's not the problem)

"it is harder for us to make the PLAYSTATION 3 freeze randomly during single player mode than it is for us on the 360, thus making it impossible for us to bring this title to the PLAYSTATION 3. We are proud of our patented "freeze effect" by which we take the player to new heights of surprise, astonishment, and exasperation for unprecedented emotional engagement with the game. This effect was first incorporated in GRAW2, and we look forward to bringing it to the Splinter Cell franchise. This effect is only possible on the 360."

HOW MUCH THEY GETTIN PAID TO DEFEND THE XFLOP 180? BILLIE MUSTA DROPPED SOME MILLS FOR THIS ONE! WE ALL KNOW PS3 IS BETTER SO JUST STOP UBISOFT! JUST STOP!

Ubisoft is obviously BS'ing. What's there to argue about?

Fan boys need to wake up, if so many developers are having these issues programming on the PS3 that is the writing on the wall.
In the future developers are just going to say 'forget this, we can profit on the 360 and PC where there is a bigger user base and a better development kit'.
The PS3 has alot of potential but the design of the processor and addition of a fledgling format screwed sony over big time.
More and more developers are coming forward and stressing the difficulty of programming for the PS3, don't expect it to end. Anyone who has actually programmed before can tell you how difficult it is to jump between two completely different systems.

I thought they were above that.
If I were a boss at Sony I would call up UBI sofr on the phone, yell at them, then dump them as a 3rd party for Sony to teach them a lesson,

funny they say that, but its not because they PS3 doesn't have the power but rather because they don't know how to make a PS3 game, proof of that is Double Agent.

sigh......when will people learn this is PR

This is not news, it's propoganda.

Have they seen MGS4 or FFXIII?

I think the more accurate statement would have been, "WE can't do this on the PS3, buy our game fanboys."

I think we found a winner for the hottest news article post for the N4G contest. That was surprisingly quick though.

splinter cell is the biggest mgs wanna be out ther too bad it fails completely.

where do they state reasons why the ps3 cant achieve what the 360 does. its like a statement from a child,
"my toy is better than yours"
"erm why?"
"because?!?!??!"

is it probably is harder to develop for.

and i suggest you guys look at fjtorres long post.

But anyways, i don't think a lot of people think splinter cell is a wanna be. Me, i personally like both series.

Ok Ubisoft said they are not making it for Ps3 so. Splinter Cell is a good game series I will give them that, but regardless it isn't really that big of a game compared to Halo3,MGS4, or many other big games coming out soon.
Congrats to 360 fans who like the games series, but don't think it will like end the war or something, it isn't really that big of a blow to Sony.

Apparently Ubisoft has built splinter cell for the 360 and is now unable to be put into ps3 very well. This really isn't that huge of a insult, Ubisoft made the game one way and is now unable to put it on to the ps3, it's their loss. Stop with the fanboyism.

You can't compare games like Too Human and Mass Effect to the likes of MGS4 and FF sorry.

Don't bring EA into this topic becuase unlie Ubisoft, EA is garbage!

EA is the company that makes bad games and totally ruins franchises (007 for example), unlike Ubisoft who actually makes good games.

...for the Xbox 360 holding back GTA, eh?

EA Sports make the best sports games, those are the only games i play that EA makes. Ubisoft isn't that great ether.

You narrow minded sony idiots can`t figure out that the cell processor alone can not render you good games. It takes the system in whole to provide the graphics and gameplay you so admire on the 360. The ps3 has a poor intergartion between the processor, graphics processor, and allocated memory. This lack of total unit cohesion is a result of poor design, rushing development, and a focus on blu-ray movies not games.

I will let you dorks whom bought that crap know how good the next splinter cell is. Time to put the googles back on and kill some mercs.

Response to fu[k-Boy below. Yes rushed you idiot. The Gpu was decided on at the
last minute. I have seen ps3`s locked up everytime I have gone to a gamestore. They lock up all the time. Note no sarcasm.

It probably could not be done on the PS3 not because of technical reasons, but for business reasons. It will come to the PS3 a year later...

Any game made for the one can be made for the other one. Same as any game for the XBox was ported for PS2 or vice versa. The one may lose a bit LOD, sound, frame rate, AI or something, but still ported. Some XB360 games will be on multi DVD's, PS3 on single BluRay... and hell, swapping a DVD is not that big a deal.. just a bit of pride to swallow from some.

It is a comment, not fact. Chill out.

I recall Capcom saying the samething about DeadRising. The GPU and Ram are the main factors. Even if you dedicate 150 to 200 MB to the Xenos there is still 300 to 350 MB left for system use.

i wonder whos the best huh, mmm let me think, UBI so if they say that then they say that, who givs a rat ass, some people need to get a life man, sony devs say games can only be done on ps3, ms devs and in this case ubi 2 say games can only be done on the 360, so what?! us 360 gamers will enjoy sc:c and ps3 gamers can enjoy lair,

Now 1 more thing to say THERES ONLY ONE RONALDO

all i keep hearing is the power of the cell . the cell this and cell that well alot of people need to keep in mind that theres more that just a processor inside these powerful machines and it seems the 360s power is just focused more towards gaming and ps3s is focused on trying to be a pc and blue ray player .

"You narrow minded sony idiots can`t figure out that the cell processor alone can not render you good games. It takes the system in whole to provide the graphics and gameplay you so admire on the 360. The ps3 has a poor intergartion between the processor, graphics processor, and allocated memory. This lack of total unit cohesion is a result of poor design, rushing development, and a focus on blu-ray movies not games."

Yeah our poor design, our PS3's break? Our PS3's have a 20% fail rate correct? You can put all the technical mumbo jumbo together you want, but the main factor is that PS3 in the next 1-2 years will demolish 360, all 360 fans have to wait for is one game Halo 3, then Halo 4 blah blah. Besides that and GOW you will not have many 4 million coy sellers like the PS3 will have.

Ubisoft is merely making excuses for not being able to use the tools that Sony gave them at GDC. THey can hype their exclusive all they want but that game MIGHT sell 2 million MIGHT.

At least when I buy my PS3 I see a company who has made profit unlike M$ and their 5 billion in loses, and I also see a reliable product with 10 years behind it to back it up.

you idiots really do not have a shadow of a clue about the ps3 and its true power don't you find it sort of embarassing that the weak60 is already maxed out after only a year yes it has i really honestly feel so sorry for you wanna be tech specialists you dont understand the hardware design of the ps3 in any way but you keep using your last gen knowledge to try to decipher a truely next gen system you minds are only subpar at most you have no idea what your talking about first of weak60 is nowhere near the ps3 in any way wanna know why because the ps3 is a supercomputer and do you wanna know what supercomputers do they are the machines behind these movies such as the incredibles, madagascar, toy story, final fantasy, cars and even those movies that will have those computer generated dragons, and creatures that dont really exist but look incredibly close to real they also render movies such as the day after tomorrow i know your minds are to weak just as weak as weak180 in comparison to the sheer unparalleled magnitude of the sony playstation 3 super computer and i know even after this post of the truth someone else will try to come up with their lame explanation of why your little miniscule minds believe that the weak180 is even at the shadow of the bondary of the sony ps3 and its true power many of you are saying that the ps3 had shown some fake trailers at e3 05 yes you may be right but then again maybe not those games shown were tech demoes done to the ps3 spec and wonna know one more bumber the graphic chip wasn't even complete at the time of e3 05 and one more bumber even with the incomplete system they were only harnessing 70% of the ps3's power that is extremely scary considering no one will ever use 100% of the ps3's power thats if there is a 100% now many of you poor idiots are so bent on just judging these launch titles as oppossed to the full power of the system you idiots dont even understand that whereas the weak180 is very very close to its limit if not exceeded its limit ps3 is doing its warm-up excercise ill show you idiots just how foolish you are why do you think that microsoft released gears of war right around the time of the ps3 launch gate ill tell you why gears of war was microsofts graphical trump card oh its very much common sense micrfosoft planned this release for a long while they knew the game exceeded what the weak60 was capable of but they knew the ps3 is 2X + powerful as the weak180 and they were doomed if they didnt try to battle the ps3's starting graphics with there best graphics you see microsoft is sort of smart and sort of stupid kinda like you people they released the game at the launch of the ps3 because they knew developers werent going to be able to make that level of graphics at the launch of the ps3 so that was microsofts opportunity to release this gears of war but you boys didnt notice that im no tech but yet i figured that out reason 2 why bill gates even stated,"this game is what the system is built for" in other words thats all the system is able to withstand you know the weak180 may be able to match the ps3 if you had 2 weak180's + something else and here is another scary fact sony said the finalized ps3 hardware was more powerful than expected another bummer guerilla games confirmed killzone 2 is already in developement and some elements already exceed the trailer and you that say that the weak60's current games look better than on the ps3 your far from correct because develpopes say that every game done for the ps3 is only possible on the ps3 because its a supercomputer developers could easily at this point and time stop what they are doing with the ps3 just trying to get the physic power out of the system not so much as to scratch the graphic power im so tired of you idiots saying that the graphic processor in the weak180 being superior to the ps3's your so far from right that im sorry for you you see the ps3's graphic chip had to be compatible supercomputer hardware in order for the system to be able to render the true photrealistic graphics that you will be seeing in the very near future plus do youo really beleive that aftr all the trash talk last time about the graphics and the inferiority i would highly doubt that sony would make the same mistake this time around thats why there was 6 years of planning and testing that the ps3 had to go through to insure the ps3 would succeed geniouses are the ones that made this gaming console/supercomputer which weak180 unforunately the weak180 is not not by a long shot when you say that the ps3 and weak180 is equal you must mean the 360 that is comming out in 2010 yeah thats right not the weak180 thats currently out 2005-2010 i said all that to say this stop dreaming that the weak180 is magically more powerfull or equally as powerfull or almost as powerfull because in all reality its leaps and bounds behind the ps3 microsoft knows it they've already sucked it up why cant you all just suck it up as well wake up from this dream the 180 is so last year its not next gen its sorta middle gen and wii is post gen ps3 will be the only one to endure the entire 2006-2010 + believe that no doubt about it 180 is alread all washed up don't expect any improvements over gears of war you'll surely be highly dissapointed enough said but i still know after this post some 100 or 1000's more weak180 fans will come and post on the same subject with more trash and one question why do all you 180 fans come visit ps3 sites so much anyway is your system really that washed up if so please do enjoy 180's little shine time cause it will be small because i guarantee you won't be comming over once sonys system warps past the 180 we will see less and less of you and you wont have anything to say now here is the last part of my post you microsoft fans are the source of the foreshadowed weak180's defeat you post so many comments and talk a whole lot of trash that microsoft will not be able to follow through with on the 180 you see people are surely visiting these sites and reading your posts and you have set a very high bar for the 180 which is maxed out and some more and saying so much that the ps3 cant do but when the time comes and the 180 cant deliver what you said it could and i know microsoft is shaking in its boots because they know that none of what you are saying is anywhere near a reality it may sorta seem like it now but its only been what 2 months please ill give it at the most 5 more months and watch you'll be regretting what you have stated guaranteed and when sony comes through and tells you i told you so that the ps3 will deliver you will be crying because the graphics will even exceed way past even killzone 2 on the ps3 there will be nothing else left for you to say end of discussion at that time i think it would only be fair to pay 180 sites a visit and tell you why the next gen doesn't start until sony said and we will get on your nerves just as you have done to us but it will be the truth not guesses or your wanna be tech analysis you really believe you know everything last gen things dont serve the same as the true next gen youd do well to remember that i will be the first to say i told you so. thanks for your time oh and wait why do you weak180 fans keep still insisting that the ps3 and the weak180 are anywhere near equal let me show you PS3 supercomputer 218 tflops movie making past photrealistic grapic capabilities>>>>&g t;>>>>>>>& gt;>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ;>>>>>>>&g t;>>>>>>>& gt;>>>>>>> >>>>>>weakbox 180 1 tflop gears of war and thats the max no further git a clue the first release games on the ps3 look either as good or better than the current games and games to come on the weakbox180 ps3 is going to ball the weakbox180 up and throw it in storage. love you and no hard feelings oh and what developers have you heard say that the ps3 and the weakbox180 are equal either thats just something to get in our heads that thats true or thats just paid people that were told to tell you that to suck you outta gettin that good old ps3 let me ask you if the ps3 and weakbox180 are equal then why are the graphics as good as weakbox180 and developers say that they do not even understand the hardware its very much impossible and secondly why do ports that come from the weakbox180 look either as good or better than the original ill tell you why ps3 is like Goku ss4 and weakbox180 is like bebi without vegeta and EA games is only using well under half of the ps3's power if EA really wanted to they could release a whole noter type of football game for the ps3 that would be completely real life mud, dirt, blood, bones breaking, individual hairs, facial hair, muscle definition, every aspect of the eyes, true facial expressions, breathing, every aspect of the face such as moles, bumps, wrinkles, sleepy stuf, tears, real sweat not like the sortta real sweat being rendered now, veins, nuckle definition, stains, fingerprints, pores, wounds, damage to any part of the body as in real life and so much more because the ps3 is a supercomputer and this is not just for football games its for every genre while you all are saying killzone isnt possible it is very possible but you had better get ready because for the ps3 thats just the tip of the ice burg. BE AFRAID BE VERY AFRAID. this is the truth yes the truth that these puny weakbox180 fans are trying to mask by giving you little subpar understanding of last gen standards of tech specs to try to make you truely think that these to consoles well at least one of them are consoles are really on the same level if your all dumb enough to believe them and any dumb developer that would like to follow behind them and anyone else go ahead but the true knowledge and understanding can only be done by real next gen minds not americans the japanese there the geniouses so they know dont let you faith be wavered by these would be trash talkers they are making claims that will never come to past. just believe.

motorstorm, final fantasy 13, formula 1 championship, killzone 2, metal gear 4, lair, 8 days, unreal championship 2007 except on pc, ninja gaiden sigma, final fantasy versus that aint nowhere near it and you wanna know how ps3 will win this generation like all the others first of lets take wii out because if you were smart youd know they will last no longer than 2 years know why games may start out alright on the wii pretty good but nintendo left a very key element and thats the fact that they made a nice controller new next gen inovative but same graphics now the games are ok but in a few years gamers will and i guarantee they will be looking for truely next gen graphics and i dont mean gears of war now come to think of it there really aint noting next gen about the wiik but now lets turn to why microsoft will loose you see microsoft is doing well, sort of but you say that the 180 is got alot of ps3's exclusives thats because they need them they knew that they got slaughtered without them last time dont worry same thing this time except ps3 will earn back its exclusives you see over the next year as we speak there are games in developement for ps3 and i guarantee they will be exclusives they are secret projects the reason its a guarantee that they will be exclusives is because they are only possible on the ps3s supercomputer hardware now killzone 2 will be released the second half of the year and that means the game has either made it to the level of the trailer or maybe extremely close but guerilla games has promised that the game will exceed the trailer this game without a doubt will not be surpassed for a very very very very very long time guaranteed but i said all of that to say this the reason why this will be the reason that microsoft will loose this time around is the same reason why the ps3 will earn back its exclusives ill explain you see many of the developers have to see to believe alot like you people now when sony shows off these true next gen games they will surely have an example of what they could achieve if they use true time and money like movie making money not chump change and not being lazy like these first few games just to even the playing feild with the weakbox180 already maxed out system basicaly a supped up xbox now the main reason weakbox180 will loose this is because of you the weakbox180 fans know why you 180 fans have been posting on sites for nearly a year and a half about the 180 being more powerful than the ps3 and 180 only being a little weaker or even that the two machines are equal now that is true if your talking about the new 360 the real 360 that will come out in 2011 thats the real next gen of weakbox now if i were microsoft of course i would just give up if i suffered such a hummiliating defeat such as this next 5 or 6 years but they may just try again but now back to the reason that 180 will loose many of you are still saying that the two are equal if thats so then why is the 180 already maxed out yes ill explain how children gears of war really exceeded what the 180 was built for you see ill show you how this is my logic see bill gates said a good while ago that this gears of war is what the 180 is built for now that could only mean 1 thing its the most the 180 specs could stand for and one more thing that i just thought of for the amount of time and money that microsoft epic games and whoever else that was working on the game was the game outta had looked a whole lot better they were working on this game well before e3 05 all the way til november 06' you tell me they also put over 40 millon dollars into building this game now ill ask this once if the 180 is really stonger than the ps3 then why is sony and guerilla games only using 21 million dollars to build killzone 2 now correct me if im wrong but both those numbers are number for the cost for making entire movies so why doesnt gears of war look anyting like a movie it looks miles away from its cutcenes now i will scare you killzone is only the tip of the iceburg for the ps3 the ps3s capacity can us much more money than that and make games that will make killzone look like ps3 versus wiik now the ps3 really cant make anything pre rendered as you call it because ps3 is the very thing that makes pre rendered videos in the first place you know that the ps3 could be the machine to actually make movies because it has a supercomputer built into it now i said all that to say this you people have set a very high bar with your words and people will be looking forward to it and when microsoft and its weakbox180 cant deliver on what you have promised because the 180 is already maxed out that will be when people will be upset and they will be betrayed because of the words you have put in microsofts mouths and microsoft will not be able to deliver until maybe 2011. thanks for your time

you want me to tell you another reason why the 180 is maxed out look at the time frame that glitches of ware was in developement think, back at e3 2005 there was a playable demo of glitches of ware at the conference, but the game was supposed to come out at the release of the system, but the game was pushed back to November of 2006 at the release of the ps3 wow the 180 is really powerful but the game was in developement for 2 years if not more on a playable 180 hardware build and what a coincidence the game was realeased not even a week before the ps3 release like i said microsoft is smart for releasing their trump card a bit of days before ps3 release then you would honestly think that the ps3 is not as powerful as the 180, but to the one that said that he doesnt know why resistance aint possible on the 180 i wont tell you i will show you:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

as you can see there is way TOO much going on in this game for 180's sissy processor to generate even half of these effects that are happenning in this game but if the game developers had gone for the original target render which is very much possible on the ps3 glitches of ware wouldve looked ugly and crysis wouldnt be all hyped up as many of you idolize it cause it surely dont look that great for what is comming for ps3 but here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

i dont think that many of you would be talking half as tough if sony wasnt nice enough to spare these kind of graphics for the baby years of the ps3 but hey they are comming and there will be games on the ps3 that will stop being ported to the 180.

the real reason that it is true that the game wouldnt be able to be done on the ps3 is because surely as good as you think that this game looks, the graphics arent close to good enought for challenging the ps3 infact none of the weakling ports of the 180 are good enough for the ps3, you know what i know now that microsoft is paying several developers off, i mean really you ever notice how there was a game that ubisoft was making for ps3 and it suddenly dissapeared before the ps3 even came out uh i think that game was called, Killing Day wait and then they said something rediculous like that it was on the 180 as well although that was only on about 3 sites, this is when microsoft probably secretly paid ubisoft to not make the game because they knew there was no way for there weakling machine would be able to handle such an amazing game but now that this game that couldve gave pc fans precious cysis an early early grave trust me crysis was a shame compared to this game just look:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

the game looked amazing, thanks alot microsoft and ubisoft

oh and another thing how did you figure that oblivion for ps3 was in developement for a year or the other splinter cell, do you idots realize when the earliest finalized version of ps3 was and also when the first developement kits were availible, or even the fact that oblivion was never anounced for ps3 until after ps3 was released ps3 wasnt finalized until july of 2006 and developement kits were out in late july or august all else that was shown were only tech demoes although there are tech demoes in ps3s early life cycle that make 180 and pc look weak, wanna see um? take a look:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

you see these are some of the things that simply arent possible on you 180s or pcs

1st video- was a showcasing of what happens when you merge rsx and cell as you already can see there has not yet been a game truely utilizing ANY of the true ps3 power.

2nd video- this is one thing that 180 or pc fans dont understand about the 180 and pc being weak compared to the ps3 it is for all of you that say that cell cant render any graphics on its own and that it has nothing to do with graphics, i assure you if IBM the creaters of the cell made a game we would ALREADY have a 4d game on ps3 even this early in ps3s cycle the showing in the second video was photo realistic just as the first.

3rd video- this video showed another example of what is possible when rsx and cell are merged, this is truely the end of pcs reign as the top.

4th video- one more showcasing of the rsx and cell merged, incredible but hey this is only the beginning.

oh yeah, something just came to my mind, how did you ever think that pc or 180 was anywhere near the ps3 at this time or any time to come i remember back at e3 2005 you were the quietest people on the earth i thou...

it wasn't the most powerful console out there. The xbox was.

If anything the 360 is reminiscent of the PS2 in many ways historically speaking.

And dude, i had to rotate my monitor sideways just to get through your comment within 5 seconds. Really that must be like 10 pages long.

Wow kevin any chance of you learning how to paragraph better?

Also the Xbox 360 and PS3 is equal in power, sure the 360 will do some things better then the PS3 but the PS3 will do some things better then the Xbox 360. If this game was only on the PS3 and Ubisoft said the same thing then you fanboys would be like, "oh the Xflop 180 suckzors, the PS3 is sooo amazing, god, MGS4 and SC5 are gonna be awesome."

However its not on the PS3 but its on the Xbox 360 and PC, if you hate the 360 that much then buy it on the PC.

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This post is to big. I herd you make a few good points about the systems specs, and I do agree with you about the programming on the 360 being a lot better on 360. After all before Microsoft built the 360 they asked the programmers what they wanted in a system and built it.
But I did want to correct you on some of the specs you stated.

10 mb EDRAM...
is nothing compared to the I/O controller in the PS3, they built a very fast system "Rambus flex IO" its much faster then the 10md EDRAM. It can pump 62.4 gigs per second between the cell/RSX.
fixing the bottle necking we see in todays PC's

Memory controller and I/O

The system interface used in Cell, also a Rambus design, is known as FlexIO. The FlexIO interface is organized into 12 "lanes," each lane being a unidirectional 8-bit wide point-to-point path. Five 8-bit wide point-to-point paths are inbound lanes to Cell, while the remaining seven are outbound. This provides a theoretical peak bandwidth of 62.4 GB/s (36.4 GB/s outbound, 26 GB/s inbound) at 2.6 GHz. The FlexIO interface can be clocked independently, typ. at 3.2 GHz. 4 inbound + 4 outbound lanes are supporting memory coherency.

you see the EDRAM is a very good idea for the graphics chip to processor memory, and is ofttimes pointed out as a plus over PS3's setup. Even Bill gates hyped it. Sony already has a better setup in the PS3 if you look at the link below you will see what I mean.

On to the Graphics Chip. RSX VS ATI/360

"The graphics processor in the Playstation 3 is NVIDIA-designed and is called RSX. How does it compare next to the 7800?

"The two products share the same heritage, the same technology. But RSX is faster," said Kirk." Nivida.

"Many people are wrong saying that "since 360 has 48 pipelines and the ps3 has 24, the graphics will be better on the ATIbegin"

Here is the truth.

Rsx pipelines
-24 shader pipelines.
-each pipeline produces 5.7 ops.{(shader operations per second)
-a total of 136 sops
ATI pipelines
-48 shader pipelines.
-each pipeline produces 2 ops
-a total of 96 sops.{(shader operations per second)

I'm tired now and feeling more geekey then ever.
BTW splinter cell look amazing regardless...

(EDIT)sorry for the double post

really i wonder what is going through your brain that inspired you to 1 do that much research, 2.to write that much.

and 3. where did you get that much tiem to write?

Why not go play a videogame or go outside?

the long and thoughtful comment but why do people continue to use youtube Videos. They are crappy IMO. On another note, you sound like you work as a developer and know alot about making games for the PS3, when in fact, you know jack squat , besides what you read on the internet. Listen to the MULTI-PLATFORM developers, thats their JOB bro.

A SUPER COMPUTER CHIP does not gaurentee SUPER VIDEOGAMES. Get off the Cells' B@lls. We know it's a powerful chip, but is it practical for game making/development/programming , probally not.

Yes the PS3 is a SUPERCOMPUTER like you wanna believe, but they will always be limited to the MEMORY And GPU capabilities, so the Cell don't mean a damn thing besides crunching numbers.

So lets see, Ubisoft, is just another stupid Company, and Splinter cell is a garbage game, what else are fanboys gonna spit? I guess Assasins Creed must also be garbage, coming from UBI, and whatever other games they produce. The HYPOCRISY is OUTRAGES.

UBI is working on both Consoles, it's not like it's a first party developer hyping their console of choice. You might hear something different from another developer about the capabilities of both consoles, why don't we wait to see, if what they were claiming is true, when they bring out the games.

Why can't gamers accept the fact in some ways, you just cannot compare the PS3 and 360 like apples to apples. THey both have their limitation, weaknesses and strengths. If your not a developer, then you have no idea(stop spitting BS). All the fanboys here know is "Cell" and they think, its the best thing since slice bread, so everything is inferior, while forgetting other components involved in the console itself and how it works with the damn chip.

IT IS, WHAT IT IS GAMERS...360 have the best Tools, a Program friendly CPU/CORES, Efficient Ram, better games out(as of now), and HIGHER rated game scores whithin the first months, when compared to that SUPER COMPUTER of SONY's, that is great at FOLDING, but keeps coming up with excusing why the 360 is not being crushed, like it was suppose to do.

Then again we will see after a year where the sales numbers are. Can't wait, for the "360 has been out for a year" EXCUSES/SPINS.

The PS3 will be "GREAT" but compared to the competition , it is not where I would think it should be, and all of what it was "HYPED" to be.

Almost forgot:

1) Why, in God's name, is so important to fanboys of both PS3 and X360 the "fact" that some game can be done on one, but not on the other system? Like someone said - there is no "NO WAY" in programming.

2) When a game is exclusive to PS3 it's because it "can't be done on 360", but when it's exclusive to X360, then we get "lazy developers" crap all over the place. Developers want to make money, meaning they choose a system which is less expensive to develop for and has similar performance. I'm a database developer, and SQL Server can do stuff that MySQL can't (in laymens terms), but both are very similar products. So, why would I want to use MySQL when I found easier/less expensive to use SQL Server platform?

Look at all these comments just because Ubi said SC won't come to PS3. People relax, it's just one game and it isn't even that good. And because Ubi said it doesn't mean that it will stay this way, remember Assasin's Creed.

I personally don't give a crap about this game but for all of you who do, don't worry peeps. Just have patience.

Damn 193 comments and counting.....

Isn't it funny how the major espionage game for 360 says it can't be made on PS3, and the major espionage game for PS3 coincidentally can't be made on 360?

That is, SP5 and MGS4.'

Take your pick, I guess.

**sorry, that should be SC5

Sony fans are THE biggest crybabies I have ever seen. Sorry, but it's true. All I see is the Sony defense secretary, crying NOOOOOOOO this can't be!

MGS4 can be done on the 360, kojima said so himself, ff13 can be ported onto the 360, white engine is open source and capable to run on the 360.

But come on, when lair said what they did was only possible on the PS3 you didn't have half the whining. What are sony fans so afraid of? Is it that they bought the less powerful system and now feel insecure about the games that may be coming out for it? Just enjoy the system.

This is the exact same thing Lair did, they're hyping the game and pushing the system that will sell their game(s), get over yourself, the consoles are nearly equal in power, you won't be seeing better games on either.

I mean really you brought it 960 degrees because of pure fanboyishness, Firstly it could have been a mistranslation, Or the magazine could have misconstrude the devs words, or the site could be totally lieing...I mean seriously people I kinda doubt the next splinter cell couldn't be done on the ps3....

like i said the specs of the two machines may look equal to you on paper but when the rsx and cell are merged the similarity dissapears completely ah and another thing where is your proof i have mine plenty of it please come with proof before you come, come outta dat dream world of yours the 360 that is comming out in 2010 is going to be as powerful as the ps3 but not the 180 that is out currently not even close.

Fanboys who write stupid @ss long sh*t should get banned, just for being stupid..

ohh and 360 owners should get banned too for being mentally challenge..

mentally challenge = Human being who blindly buys a crappy and inferior system. Hence the 360 - WIKIPEDIA