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Carmack talks PS3 vs. 360, id's three-game pipeline

QuakeCon 2009 kicked off today at the Gaylord Texan hotel, where thousands of fans of id Software's various shooters gathered. After the start of registration for the convention's myriad tournaments, including a $25,000 Quake Live contest, the main keynote began with id's top luminaries taking a ballroom stage. It would be the first time they had addressed a QuakeCon audience since id was bought by ZeniMax Media in a $105 million-plus deal in June.

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Boody-Bandit6159d ago (Edited 6159d ago )

Personally I will always prefer traditional controllers but if that is the future of motion controls the possibilities could be endless for those that enjoy them.

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dustgavin6159d ago

Then, Carmack talked about developing for consoles for the first time with Rage. He feels the PS3 has more processing power, but the 360 is easier to program for. "I know Sony fans might get mad, but all the consoles are so much better than they once were, and are closer together now," he explained diplomatically. As a sop, he said the 360's space constraints caused a lot of extra work having to go back and streamline textures for the platform.

Yep. The Ps3 is more powerful and the 360 is showing it's limitations.

talltony6159d ago

For posting that now maybe the doubters can stfu about the 360 being the more power console it's just not now live with it and shut up!

coolirisGB6159d ago (Edited 6159d ago )

I guess PS3 is showing it's limits as well.

"What you can say really quite clearly and not get into too much argument about it is that the 360 is much easier to develop for, it's easier to get the performance out of it that it can deliver, and the rasterizer, the GPU side is generally faster than what the PS3 has,"

"If you were doing a whole lot of simulation, you can in theory get more performance out of the Cell processor than out of the two other dual-thread processors on the 360, but that's a big 'in theory',"

" The RSX is slower than what we have in the 360. The CPU is about the same, but the 360 makes it easier to split things off, and that's what a lot of the work has been, splitting it all into jobs on the PS3,"

PS3 has been showing it's limitations since it launched.

dustgavin6159d ago (Edited 6159d ago )

You must be living in a cave if you think the PS3 is showing any signs of it's limits. Especially, with games like GOW3, Uncharted 2, and GT 5 heading out soon.

Meanwhile...the 360 is continuing to churn out rehashed games on tired old engines.

coolirisGB6159d ago

"We are committed to ensuring that gamers on all platforms have a great RAGE experience," developer id said of the "ruckus"

Lets hope they can actually bring the PS3 version up to snuff with the other versions before we call out the 360's limitations. It would be a shame if the PS3 version was 30fps and the others at 60fps at release.

Darkeyes6159d ago

Yup Cooliris.... But isn't it funny that the best looking exclusives ALWAYS land on the PS3....

Maybe it's something to do with the developers skill, but just about every devs says it's more powerful... Wonder why would that be....

Oh but Cooliris's judgement > All the visual proofs Uncharted 2 and Killzone 2 have given and all devs statement.... All hail Cooliris....

Icyhot6159d ago

@Cooliris- Shup up kiddo. Talk when any 360 exclusive even looks half as decent as Killzone 2 or Uncharted 2. You can have your 0.1% better muti-plats cause well we all know you get aroused by that extra pixel on screen.... I would anyday trade that for SUPERIOR looking EXCLUSIVES with JAW DROPPING graphics for a slightly inferior multi-plat.

ZOMBIEMAN16159d ago

thank you for re conforming my theory of fanboys not being human anymore as no sane and normal logical human being can stoop towards that lvl of stupidly . PS3 limitations showing since launch my ass

coolirisGB6159d ago (Edited 6159d ago )

Developers hold back multi platform games so they can match the versions(Because of PS3 struggles) to please the fanboys and it's the 360 that's showing it's limitations?

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My comment #1.2 was getting so many disagree's I thought maybe people thought I made those quotes up.

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...
http://computerandvideogame...

WELL CROSS YOUR FINGERS PS3 ONLY FANS AND HOPE THEY DO WHAT THEY SAY THEY CAN DO, GETTING THE PS3 VERSION RUNNING ON PAR WITH THE PC AND 360 VERSIONS.

FamilyGuy6159d ago

Off topic but

Was there a ban wave recently or what? Why are there so many comments in the open zone here?

Darkeyes6159d ago

Nope Familyguy.. The Open zone is livelier... And we get fanbots like cooliris which have brain = to a rat so can get easily owned.... It's fun to shoot ducks around here.... Gamer zone is fun as well, but you must check out the comments here... Really witty, humorous (where's Nelson???) although fanboyish I might add....

JasonPC360PS3Wii6159d ago

Just owned all the Droids, they will take your bubbles in a week speaking that much truth, droids don't like truth... just dreams.

Defectiv3_Detectiv36158d ago

Its common knowledge that Sony puts strict limitations on their processors. They just unlocked like 70% more power out of the PSP processor for the PSP go, and I'm sure they could easily do the same w/ the cell processor, seeing how they build supercomputers w/ the same chip that are much more powerful.

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dustgavin6159d ago

You must be joking. How do you figure?

BattleAxe6159d ago

Has been indeed, has been indeed............

stonecold36159d ago

tapped out after gears 2 and all we dop hear is all the xbots say 360 powerful than ps3 which it isnt the 360 has been tapped and 360 wont get and better than what you see gears on 360 it make the xbot look like idiots who everthink 360 powerful not in realtiy and knew last gen xbox was more powerful than ps2 this gen its ps3 xbox 360 is more powerful than wii

coolirisGB6159d ago

Yeah the games on the 360 that look better than GEARS don't count. Visiting this site to see what the moron PS3 fanboys say next, isn't even funny/fun anymore.

dustgavin6159d ago (Edited 6159d ago )

And yet here you are acting like a moron 360 fanboy.

You still have yet to tell us which 360 games look better than what the PS3 is offering.

coolirisGB6159d ago (Edited 6159d ago )

Yes it's just for news now, PS3 fanboys are just annoying now. Are you a PS3 fanboy why so defensive? perhaps you come here to bait people or you think people come here to hear what you have to say.

Obama6159d ago

What is the best looking 360 exclusive in 09? Ninja Blade? lol.

dustgavin6159d ago (Edited 6159d ago )

So I take it you cannot think of any games?

You are calling me a fanboy and you have the PS3 as your avatar. Nice.

coolirisGB6159d ago (Edited 6159d ago )

You're like neglected children that need attention so you troll threads baiting people into a response. Why did you post a hand picked quote from a article with cherry picked topics? I can post many more with John C talking about PS3 development issues.

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Fu*K it's no wonder you guys seem so grumpy NPD rolled in. I seen it on the front page it seems to be early this month. Well I'm off to go read the excuses in the NPD article.

ZOMBIEMAN16159d ago

no you name them but you can't cause there is none except for Alan Wake ( Alan rapes everything on 360 while they sleep ) and you know what fvck it i'm just going to say this once 2 you . SHUT THE FVCK UP YOU FVCKING DUMBASS FANBOY GROW THEFVCK UP ALREADY!!!! jesus your barley here but when you are you just go to piss of every PS3 owner fanboy or just regular PS3 owners you just type whatever retarded fanboy sh!t you think off and it's fvcking annoying, as annoying as clawing a blackboard with long nails or as annoying as Batman & Robin movie , than you go on ohh i'm not a 360 fanboy i own a PS3 as well, if you own it what's the problem ?why do you feel the need to bash it? are you unhappy with your purchase? than return it or trade it don't act like a total @ss and even if you just want to piss of the fanboys than don't act like one because some ppl here don't like fanboy behavior and you piss them off so grow the fvck up, grow a fvcking pair and get a fvcking life outside off being an @ss and a fanboy.

LiL T6159d ago (Edited 6159d ago )

"Fu*K it's no wonder you guys seem so grumpy NPD rolled in. I seen it on the front page it seems to be early this month. Well I'm off to go read the excuses in the NPD article"

Thats funny, I dont think Sony fans are angry because Sony seems to be in second worldwide and in NA. Why do fanboy's forget Sony has three systems and so does Nintendo. Overall its 1.Nintendo, 2.Sony, 3,Microsoft.

edit: @ disagrees, prove me wrong. Everybody talks about sales and when you look at the sales its 1.Nintendo, 2.Sony, 3. Microsoft or do you only copare 360 and ps3 because 360 is the only console MS has.

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44% of games industry professionals have considered leaving the industry as a result of redundancies

New report from Skillsearch found that 22% of those surveyed had been laid off within the past 12 months.

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Cockney67d ago

Well if that 44% left im sure there would be a lot less redundancies

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Stop Killing Games on the latest European Commission public hearing

It's a step forward for Stop Killing Games.

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"Be creative 99% of the time" – Glen Schofield on how creativity can help fix AAA industry woes

The Callisto Protocol director thinks the solution involves the right people, the right timing, and perhaps a little bit of AI

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lodossrage68d ago

I don't agree with that. I WISH I could agree with that. But buying habits and customer opinions prove otherwise

We've seen developers in the AAA space try new things and ideas. More often than not, the customers aren't willing to give things a chance, or not enough people buy into the project for it to grow.

Creativity works better in the indie space because the budgets, pressures, and expectations aren't the same.

Scissorman67d ago

it's a nice idea and it worked during the PS2/PS3-era when AAA didn't cost hundreds of millions of dollars. smaller budgets and shorter development time left room for more creativity and more risk. a game didn't need to sell 4 million+ copies to break even. things are different now.

__y2jb67d ago

This is the guy who bragged about crunching his staff and having them work through the night. Crunch culture has lost more talent and done more damage to the industry than any other factor. Screw him.