I don't think sony went wrong anywere, if i were kutaragi i would have made the same decisions. The PS3 is impressive, just like the ps1 and ps2 at the time. They are selling slowly because there are not many games available at the moment. Just wait for MGS4 and FinalFantasy13.

Of course I knew it all the time.

Blind Lemmings, I Told You So.

sony went the extra mile for this console very high tech revolutionary processor for games made specific for games

extra technology in blue tooth and wifi blu ray hey if the price is to high wait for a price drop

when games like mgs4 and ff13 come out i will be very happy look into 2 or 3 years time the console will be great

You will be happy to know that you can download Lemmings from the Playstation Store.

Speaking of Lemmings... why don't you go and walk off a cliff CyberSentinel!

Its not about where Sony went wrong, and its not about Wii VS PS3. Its about where the industry is at right now. Right now its PS3 XBOX 360 VS Wii. if there was no 360 then the PS3 would be kicking the Wii's ass right now. Things will change quite a bit in the next year...things will be very different a year from today when all of the games comes out for the next gen systems and the prices come down as well. Once the PS3 gets to 499....399....299... and all of the good games comes out then everything will completely turn around.

and lack of new titles at the moment. Simple as that.

i don't know what to say other than

PS3Wii60 all they way!

Well that will be true for me in a year at least

Lost the round already? 6 months in and this cycle of the console wars is over? Ahhh yes. The PS3 has future potential for expansion and longevity, something the Wii does not.

The wii has won nothing at this point. Its entire follow up is based off the hype since launch and spreading the word.

When I played the system myself, I was so dissapointed in Nintendo to take a step that is so far out of the gaming industry. I'll never buy a Wii, and most of my gamer friends my age won't either. It only appeals to kids, some old people, and every Nintendo fanboy thats been waiting for a decent console from Nintendo for years.

I think a few of you are missing the point - in the end, it's all about money. You make a lot more when your product is good and has a reasonable price. What we don't acknowledge is that a lot of these wii systems are purchased for kids to play games. Yeah us GAMERS are all about gameplay,graphics etc... but seriously, look at the 3do or neo-geo,both very expensive and cool as hell. I have a 3do still but after I bought it,it wasn't long before they weren't making games for it anymore because no one was buying them because they were expensive.
I do have all 3 systems because I love GAMES. I hope to see all 3 succeed as well,but for now, the wii is making the $$$.

that people are so disgusted with simple innocent games. Granted i like using a chainsaw machine gun on the horde just as much as the next guy but really, are you trying to prove something, like that your cool? Do you have so much sexual repressed anger inside of you that you think this way(would explain fanboyism)? You know a simple game like mario or rayman raving rabids(it looks quite fun) would be fun once in a while, especially in parties and stuff.

Now would i use it as a primary console? No, but i would still want to play it.

Because if you have to keep up this masculine image just to make yourself feel good, thats sad. It should come naturally, not forced.

Don't hate, appreciate.

Games are meant for fun, not to prove your cool.

EDIT: Sorry for going off topic, but it just came to my mind.
Really i think the only problem sony had was not coming into the game strongly. But they can recover, they are sony after all. And Msoft isn't really going anywhere either,

nintendo has done something different from the competition, and it shows, they are bringing back all those consumers who had become bored with consoles on top of all the casuals who never thought gaming was for them and on top of all the nintendo fans. i dont think microsoft or sony can compete unless they break open a new market.

Before you read: If you're not going to read all of my comment, and assume it's anti-Playstation just from the first sentence then don't 'Agree' or 'Disagree' at all. This is an unbiased post, I'm just stating my opinion.

Sony went wrong when they were first designing the Playstation 3. First off they assumed their devoted fanbase would never look at the Xbox 360 and would pay for whatever they produced. Which could of been true back when the PS2 was at it's peak, but not anymore.

To me the Playstation 3 seems to be trying to please too many people at once. They want the hardcore gamers and the casual gamers at the same time, but they also want the media nuts. Thats where they went wrong, they forgot that the Playstation is a gaming console not a media center. I never bought my Playstation 2 thinking "Wow, I can't wait to play my movies on this thing!" I bought it thinking "Damn, can't wait to play Grand Theft Auto 3 and Final Fantasy X." So yeah, all these extra "necessary" things like Blu-Ray and a 60GB harddrive is the reason Sony f*cked up. They focused on including everything and now people are refusing to pay the price. I mean really, do we need Six-Axis, or a 60 gig hard drive to store movies? Last time I checked it's a gaming console, though it seems like everyones advertising consoles as "media consoles" now.

Even to me the Xbox 360 is overpriced, gaming isn't a cheap hobby anymore it's now a expense. But I supposed thats what you gotta pay for next gen. Thats where Sony also messed up, they underestimated their competition and overminded their own fanbase. They assumed that Microsoft and Nintendo didn't have a leg to stand on, unfortunately it didn't turn out that way.

Now don't get me wrong, it sounds like I got beef with Sony but thats completely wrong. I'm pro-gaming altogether. If Sony hadn't entered the competition, gaming would of progressed MUCH slower for consoles, hell consoles might of been taken out altogether back in the late 90's. Until the Playstation came out consoles were going downhill at that point. Sony brought in the true competition and overtook Nintendo which at the time nobody thought could happen, just like nobody thought anybody could overtake Sony. Well it happened. Even super-companies like Sony can make mistakes, unfortunately, for the Playstation brand it's left quite a big dent in their legacy as top console.

Just my 2 cents... Long live gaming!

I do, and its great, cuz I actually HAVE a life, the wii satisfies all my gaming needs, even when I game for days straight.

I don't think a lot of people realize that the Bluray disc is not just a 'movie' feature. The Bluray disc can hold over 50gigs of data compared to a DVD which max's out around 20gig. That is 30 gigs of space for developers to use. That, including the Cell processor is what makes this console "future capatable." If Sony stuck with DVD then what is the point of a 'next-gen console'? I understand the main failure is the price, but anyone willing to shell out $600+ should know what they are getting and make a decision to purchase a console that is so bizare and uncertain in the current tech world.

it depends on the indvidual really, but the ones who usually fit the stereotype perfectly are blind fanboys.
Also, you made a good point, but there is a difference.
You see, when you compete in a sport you actually HAVE to interact in real life with the other people in your team, it requires a bit more social skills than just gaming, and through sports you can make REAL friends, not someone who you will only know by his/her username.
Again, not really meaning anything too seriously, just clearing something up fo ya and standin up fo the wii. Peace.

I personally think that the PS3 is a great system period. I also believe it will sell better then it has been when more games come out. Hell if your going to say the PS3 was a mistake because the Wii is selling so well compared to it then you would have to say the same for the Xbox 360.

I honestly can't see why the Wii is selling as well as it is other then its something different and its cheap. Its still very early for this console cycle and alot can change. Nintendo is selling well now but can it keep up this pace? Will the PS3 only ever sell about what it is now? I mean if the leason to winning any console battle is to come in at the cheapest price then I really feel sorry for whats to come. Obviously MS does not feel thats the way to win as they have not lowered the cost of their existing systems but instead come out with an even more expensive SKU.

Again its far to early to say who will win or who has failed. I know it does not stop the fanboys or the press from doing that though. Funny thing is the press had the same doubts about the PS2. So if any leason is to be learned its don't pay any attention to articles like this since their track record aint that great.

It is not overpriced, it is just too expensive for the casual gamer. $600 (US) is a lot of money. Most people who make above 60K should be able to afford this system, question is is it worth it to them at that price. If you are not a gamer how much time do you set aside for gaming? And is that amount of time worth $600. The PS2 took off in sales after it dropped to $200. We need to wait until the manufacturing costs go down for Sony. And this should be a rule that all console companies follow - A CONSOLE SELLS BEST WHEN UNDER $300 - AND EVEN BETTER THE CLOSER IT GETS TO THAT MAGICAL $99. Casual gamers need a casual game price. That being said Sony will not leave the market. Howard Stringer has the other divisions back on track. They can ride out the PS3's growing pains. Wait two years and Sony fans can pull up this article and laugh at the people that said PS3 was dead.

I'd Agree.

PRICE, PRICE, PRICE,

Once price goes down and more aaa titles appear i think they'll be a huge lot of sales.

Yeah Sony made some huge mistakes with the PlayStation 3.

It already began at E3 '05... Yeah, worst console launch ever in my opinion.

Smart of MS to not use one of the new formats for DVD directly. I mean, if Blu-Ray is going to be a total flop you are stuck with the PS3 and Blu-Ray.

i think the reason is because they didn't give it a funny name (like the wii). think about it if they called it pee it would be selling like mad! lol ppl love crazy stuff like that.

Price and not making the Blu-Ray an add on.

Then I could've bought one for around the same price as a 360+-

1. Yes the wii is outselling the ps3 everwhere, but console wars lasts around 5-7 years, these console have been out for less than 5 months. The snes beat the sega genesis on sales ultimately and the genesis had been out for 2 whole years when the snes released.
2. The first 10 million console sales of any game systems usually comes from gamers and early adopters, not casuals. Look at the 360, it's been stuck in the 10mill mark for months, the wii is selling right now because it's cheap. Once it hit's 10 million well see if it's actually a solid hit. It's to early to tell.
3. The system is selling in typical nintendo fashion. What do I mean? Non nintendo third party games are not selling good at all. That's usual of a nintendo platform, most people who buy nintendo products just look for nintendo games. Third parties are going to keep pushing their all on the ps3 and X360 and try to make kid games for wii. Just like EA says with their analogy: Harry potter games for wii, and their top franchises going to the Ps3 and X360.

the wii is like a one night stand
the 360 is a chick with emotional problems
The PS3 is an expensive wife

first off, lets not forget that Blu -ray is currently outselling HD DVD consistently month end and month out. That was all apart of Sony's stradegy to including blu-ray inside every PS3. I think if Blu-ray wasnt outselling HD-DVD then you could say it was a bad idea. BUT NO.....it is indeed outselling HD DVD and PS3's will continue to sell which means Blu-ray will continue to grow stronger....ALL the PS3 needs to do right now is simoly drop the price of the console. If the system can manage to sell 100,000 - 200,000 units a month until october then it will be fine. As soon as the BIG GUN games comes out for the system and the launch of playstation home and the price drop PS3 will be a force to be reckoned with. Its very easy to judge the system right now when it has no games and everything is kicking off, but 2 years from today when the system is under $400.00 and it still includes Blu-Ray things will be completely different. Also Metal Gear Solid 4, Final Fantasy 13 and all of the other Great Games........................P S3 will take over again... Thats a Fact!!!

Sony did make a lot of mistakes.

1)Price
2)Blu-Ray
3)Hyping
4)Failed promises
5)Launched everything a little too early(should have waited longer until launching the Playstation 3 to make improvements)
and the list goes on.....

Listen....
The Wii is like Pogs/Marbles/Cards.
It`s a Fad/Trend.
appreciate that it came out so strong, but by no means is the wiimote gonna captivate people for 5 years.

like i said....
The Wii is like Pogs/Marbles/Cards.

The article says it all.

this person who made this article sounds like John Carmak.... bla bla bla... price may be an issue but it's imply becuase the compelling games arent at release yet. that price wont matter especially when we saw how it sold in europe, and in japan with the releases of VF5 and gundam Mosou. I can tell you when hotshots golf, Folks Soul, and NGS release in japan, and when those games drop in the US, with Lair leading the pack for Summer it that heafty price wont matter. if whats to be seen here from MS's strategy or should i say sony's strategy. the more xpensive sku will always generate more sales. it's kinda like ipods. the never get cheaping, they only get more expensive. and people still buy them. MS is going on that because they are seeing that even the ps3s sales aint going fast it's still selling. thats why they are releasing this ELITE and believe it or not it will sell. especially because it has software to back it. as this summer draws to a close, and fall sets in the release of AAA titles and Home will see Sony some huge profit. and thats all i gotta say. Sony has said this time and time again, "this is a marathon not a 5 month sprint" and once people start seeing that they'll understand that you'll need a system for longevity. a system thats future proof. something that will last for years after it's release.

First of all its still way to early to call a winner. PS3 isn't even selling that badly, it just hasn't blown the world away and obliterated all competition like, apparently everyone thought it would because they believe 100% of every piece of advertising, marketing PR and company hyperbole they hear.

Sony went wrong by trying to put to much tech into their product? Whats wrong with that? I wanted a Next Gen console. Not last gens with a gimmicking controller which only suits certain games, mainly mini game compilations.

When you buy a Wii you buy it for games only? What games would that be? Zelda? Yeah, great game, loved it. Now what? Even when Nintendos big Guns do arrive like Metroid and Mario, then what? More mini games no doubt. When you buy Wii you better like VC games.

Wii has 2 advantages. The price obviously, and the gimmick/fad side of it. To be honest I would have thought the fad would have died down by now, but I guess not. I never understood the popularity of Pokemon either. And theres just no getting around that price. Wii might very well go on to outsell everything this gen. But how far can this hardware really go? In 4 or 5 years devs will still be pushing PS3 and X360 and creating games never before possible. Both these consoles have years of room to grow. Sadly I think we've already seen the best game Wii will have to offer in Zelda or maybe Mario and Metroid will push the Wii abit. My point is in the next year, we will have seen just about all the Wii can do. When that happens Nintendo can either move on to their next console but it will be way to early, or more likely, since its cheap and still selling and still making heaps of money for them, they will do nothing and their games will grow evermore stagnate not really having the technology to do anything new. Thats why, no matter how many it sells it will always be my #3 console.

I'm interested in what people might think of my impressions on Wii. Please, no flaming, I just want some thought out opinions.

PS, if I want to swing a golf club, I'll go play golf.

Its already lost huh?

then again some of us have been saying this from the get go. The people that have played all consoles and have had playstation, xbox and such, seem to understand where your points are coming from. Well I'm one of those. Gamers assume people hate Sony for some reason. In reality, that is not the case at all.(yes I'm aware Hard-core Fanboys)

Everybody that has an "XBOX" had to have had a "Nintendo console" or a "Sony console" at one point. We all know the PSone and PStwo had great games becasue of the lack of competition and the "exclusivity" they have enjoyed over Nintendo over a 10 year period. (You know the big name titles that have florished).

Nobody is saying the PS3 is not a beast or does not have High-Tech parts and such, but for some reason, they are trying to replace a home computer and this is where they go wrong. They are trying to turn a gaming console into the Jack of all Trades. Thus adding all these useless components that are not needed AS OF NOW, which has result to a High-Priced Item. Thats where I feel like they have Excluded some casual Fans.(If you already have or can afford one good for you)

Really I do feel it's like "I want a a porche but won't be able to afford it for years", well literally not me, but all the gamers I see that have had the PSone and two. A lot of them kids and their families can't barely afford "RENT" let alone a Gaming Console. Yes gaming has gotten Expensive and prices have skyrocketed but families paychecks have not adjusted no where close to the same rate. (So many HOUSE FORCLOSURES going on in the States), Last thing on Families minds is a Complete $700 console. A lot of things effect Consumer confidence. Cheaper comparable alternatives will always have that ADVANTAGE(You don't have to tell NINTENDO) especially come holiday season, unless you are well off, or waiting 3 years.

-RENT has gone up.
-GAS has gone up.
-PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION has gone up.(4 times in 3 years in Boston)
-PARKING has gone up.($2 in 4 years, $5 X 5workdays=$25, $100 a month)
-TAXES have gone up
-HEALTH CARE PREMIUMS has gone up
-INSURANCES(Need it for every little things these days) have gone up

Ya know I say this again and again, I don't mind changing disc this generation, I really don't(I assure you I'm no where near a lazy MOFO ala..JABBA THE HUT). If the blue-ray was not added to the PS3, we would of seen a big difference in the confidence of gamers, being able to afford their next console, even if they have an xbox, or a PS2 or both. I know I would of owed one already. I have nothing against Sony besides thier strategy this time around and I will continue to stick to that untill things fair out.

I'm not a stupid loyal fanboy, I've been gaming 17+ years and I know when a Console is worth it's price, eventhough I can go to Costcos after this comment and buy a PS3 bundle + Genji game.(plenty PS3's out there)

Currently Playing:

-PS2-FF12, GodOFWar2 is next, and was looking at Dawn of Mana.
-Wii-Zelda, want to try Paper Mario next.
-360 Elite(coming soon)-Forza 2 I think is next.
-Currently have no interest for a PS3.I hardly watch movies, since I stream(hate Disc). So I'm good.

i love my wii for a bit of casual gaming between playing my 360.

just a quick question for everyone calling the wii a fad/gimmick.... do you view the DS as a gimmick/fad aswell?

you are lucky $ 600 US I paid € 599 EU
and in the '80 's I paid $ 750 US for a coleco adam
mvg

You're spot on with everything you've said in my opinion. I am also a dork fanboy, but I do happen to hate both sony and ms (although none of my reasons include video gaming or their consoles - read: rootkit and strongarming by both organizations).
I've only said this a billion times now, but: If it were cheaper I'd buy a ps3. As everything is costing more these days the luxury items we are able to justify are often not the $500.00+ kind. I don't care for the logic some people provide that "well after you add it all up your 360 costs more," because it really just doesn't. Feature for feature blah blah blah basically. I'm an adult, and although I can afford to live, for better or worse the ps3 with an extra controller, a game or two plus an hdmi cable would take nearly 3/4's of a paycheck. My landlord would have my b@lls for that one if my wife hadn't taken them years ago.

The most unacceptable sales pitch that Sony wants to tell us with the PS3 is that they want to sell the tecnology of Blu-Ray ( which is really good ) but mainly for the wrong reasons and that is for the purpose of watching Sony branded Blu-Ray movies on Sony branded HDTV sets! ( well the TV sets is anyone's choice... ) Yes they do use it on their games as well - but where the hell are most of them?, just not enough titles for such an expensive piece of equipment ( mostly the inept brain-dead fanboys keep saying it's cheaper than any Blu-Ray dvd players out there and you'ved got a console that comes along with it ) well heres the point - I chose to buy a console ( first and foremost ) for playing the next-gen games but instead they wanted me to watch their damn movies. And then they forgot about redesigning/improving their control pads, they put in motion control but had to sacrifice the most inter-active part ( and Sony was the first with this ) which is force feedback. And for all this compromises we have to pay top dollar...

I know its completely off topic but....

AUSTRALIA JUST WON THE WORLD CUP !!!!!

3 IN A ROW, BEST, TEAM, EVER !!!!

1999, 2003, 2007.

Its just Nintendos turn to shine over the mighty Sony. Sony and Sony fans have always assumed they would stay in first, not bothering to look at console history (you can never stay on top, better luck next time) Maybe Sony and Sony fans need to realize Nintendo and Microsoft have been in the game business a lot longer and of course the (((PRICE))) makes a real big difference.

aside from the fact that this article is a joke, i find it really amusing that before the PS3 was launched, everyone was like "No one's going to buy that thing for $600!"

3.15 million units later, it's all "it's not selling nearly as much as a $250 and $400 gaming system!"

well, which one is it? is it a sales flop, or a sales success?

judging by the fact that the console IS selling, even at it's low numbers and with a barely there library, i'd say the PS3 is doing rather well for itself.

the truth of the matter is that you can't judge the console 6 months into it's launch. if we did that, the 360 would have been in the ground last year, around March, 6 months after it's launch, when it didn't have any good software. Oblivion changed that for the 360, then Gears of War (which released a YEAR LATER mind you), helped boost sales. after that year hump, the titles that people really want come out. why is it so hard for people to grasp that.

YES, the PS3 was a year late to the party, but that's because of production issues that have been discussed and discussed over and over again for the past year. why the games aren't all AAA is because developers didn't get final dev kits until about 4 months before launch, and the architecture for the PS3 is unlike anything they've ever worked with before.

but wait, what's that coming over the horizon for the summer and fall of 2007? i think i see it...GAMES! oh my god! i sure as hell didn't see that coming, even though i've been gaming for over 20 years and know the first six months of a consoles life are always hard and scarce on quality titles! i'll just jump on board the kneejerk reaction train and say that "PS3 is teh suck!"

Ninja Gaiden Sigma
Lair
Heavenly Sword
Warhawk
Little Big Planet (on the PSN this fall)
Folk's Soul
Eye of Judgement
Eight Days
War Devil: Enigma
Metal Gear Solid 4
Final Fantasy XIII (in Japan)
White Knight Story (in Japan)
Home
Ratchet and Clank Future
Killzone PS3
Uncharted: Drake's Fortune

are all exclusive to the Playstation 3 and slated for release THIS YEAR. starting in June and July, with the release of Ninja Gaiden Sigma on June 26th, and Lair on July 31st. the rest of the games on my list above are spread out across August, September, October, November, and December, so each month after May will see the release of one or more really quality titles. i don't know about you, but i can't afford 8 games a month, so one or two suit me just fine. and in the meantime, there are some really quality multiplatform titles coming out that a sole PS3 owner can enjoy, or a fencerider who wants a PS3, but isn't sure if it'll have more games to help them make up their minds:

Kane and Lynch
Assassin's Creed
Stranglehold
The Darkness
Call of Duty
Brothers in Arms
Monster Madness
Medal of Honor
Dark Sector
Golden Axe
Army of Two
Devil May Cry 4
Heist
GTA IV
Mercenaries 2
Beautiful Katamari

Wii fans gloat about having sold the most systems, but tell me, is your Wii getting ANY of the games that i've listed above? games that have the potential to shape this industry? sadly, the answer is "No." multi-platform or not, i'm just glad i'll be able to put GTA IV in my console of choice, whether it's a 360 or PS3. or Assassin's Creed, or Bioshock or Mass Effect or Metal Gear Solid 4 and Ratchet and Clank. enjoy your Super Mario Galaxy, which looks to be the only big game hitting the Wii this year, and then enjoy the 6 month wait until Smash Bros and Metroid Prime 3 come out. of course, you can always wile away the hours on Wii Sports and Wii Play some more. maybe a little Red Steel?

it may seem like i'm ragging on the Wii, but i'm really wagging on certain Nintendo fanboys who want to point the finger and laugh at the PS3's lineup of games, but if it wasn't for Paper Mario and Twilight Princess, two former GAMECUBE games, the Wii would be in the same position as the PS3 in terms of lacking a bunch of AAA games. i've owned every Nintendo console excepting the Virtual Boy and the N64, so i know how they do things, and how they make us wait for AGES before they release the games we really want.

at least 360 and PS3 owners, looking at this list, have at least 35 games to crow about this year, that isn't licensed garbage or gimmicky sh*t from Activision and EA (well, maybe Army of Two is a bit gimmicky. and homoerotic, really). Wii fanboys (not fans, just fanboys. there is a difference) need to stop with the gloating, because it'd be shame to have another Gamecube or N64 this gen also. which is to say, a great machine, but severely limited software to do that machine justice. the Wii could be an interesting complementary piece of hardware for the big boys (PS3 and 360), but so far, it's failed to impress me on my numerous play occassions with it (though i admit, Wii Sports is fun in short bursts and with drunken friends. solo, it's much like drinking alone: depressing).

gamers seem to have short term memories, because the 360 was in a similar state as the PS3 about this time last year.

all i'm saying is that it takes time for a console to find itself and get some good games. the PS3 already has a few quality titles (Resistance, Motorstorm, VF5), but more are on the way. we've seen the videos, we know they're coming. people are just two damn impatient. in two months we'll have Sigma. in three we'll have Lair. in four we'll have Heavenly Sword, and all the tasty multiplatform games inbetween.

this article is stupid and just begs for the daily flamewar N4G has turned into since i've joined it (not too long ago, really).

this article was nothing more than the same old crap we've been hearing for ages now.

why should i bring the price into my argument? we all know $600 is a lot of money.

the point of my post was to point out that there are a crapload of titles releasing that will make that price a non-issue for quite a bit of gamers out there.

but sure, you want me to talk about the price.

$600 is a lot of money. for that $600 you are getting the equivelant of a $400 gaming console, a $50 Wi Fi adaptor, a $70 for a Blu Ray player, $10 for memory stick readers, and $20 for 40 extra gigs HDD space.

if that's not what you want, then don't buy it.

a PS3 purchaser knows exactly what they're getting when they pick up a PS3.

should the price have been lower? sure, why not. $500 would have been nice. $400 even nicer, but considering everything that is included with the system, that wouldn't have been economically feasable for what Sony wanted to do with the PS3. if they had stripped away the Blu Ray, Wi Fi, memory readers, and 40 extra gigs, then what would there be to differentiate the PS3 from the 360? nothing but it's name, and we don't buy consoles because of it's NAME. at least i don't. i buy by systems for the GAMES. it'd be rather redundant and the exact same console.

what set the SNES apart from the Genesis? or the Playstation apart from the N64?

as an adult gamer who's interest lies beyond that of games, i'm GLAD that the PS3 has all that it has included in the box, with no need for pricey add-ons and attachments.

i LIKE that i can hook up all manner of USB compatible devices like keyboards, mice, and external HDDs and cameras to my PS3. or that, if i really wanted, i can install Linux on my box and have a mini-PC. i love that my PS3 plays high definition movies like Blu Ray.

if you, or anyone else doesn't like what the PS3 is offering, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUY IT.

but why should those of us that DO want a piece of technology like the PS3 be left out because of some cheap people who, instead of, say, getting a 360, want the PS3 to be exactly the same thing?

and if any of the naysayer's would take just a moment to THINK, and remember their gaming history, they'd know that the price of the console will COME DOWN.

the two biggest issues with the PS3 are the price and the games. we know the games are coming, so then it comes down to the price. and we know the price is going to come down.

we've been hearing all year about the costsaving measures Sony has been taking to drop the price of production of the console, and eventually, the price for the consumers:

removing the PS2 Emotion Engine chip, which was adding to cost

switching from 90nm to the much cheaper 60nm process for producing Cell chips

blue laser diode production has been ironed out, and they are now creating them in bulk, and for much cheaper (it was around $90 before to produce a diode, now it's down to $8).

they eliminated the 20gig PS3 SKU, meaning they don't have to manufacture two totally different motherboards and chassis for the console. saving cost

they are also recouping losses through advertiser sponsored content and microtransactions on the PSN.

and since things are different this time around, i don't see it taking 18 months to two years for the PS3 to have a price drop.

before, the PS2 didn't NEED to drop it's price because, for it's first 12 months on the market, there was no competition, and when the X Box and Gamecube finally arrived, they did so at a price that was exactly the same, or not much less than, the PS2, which by that point, had two killer apps in GTA3 and MGS2. this time around, they've arrived to the party late, and at much higher cost than competition.

i'm seeing a $50-$100 price drop by the time the system hits it's first birthday, and just in time for the holiday season, and diluge of AAA titles that i mentioned in my previous that will be hitting throughout the months of October through to December.

at this point, the price is what it is, and the low sales will only spur Sony to drop the price sooner. i expect they're waiting to see if their summer releases will improve the situation. if not, i see bundle deals, and an official price drop happening before years end.

lol. i never mean for my comments to get so big, but they always do.

Poor sales shouldn't surprise anybody--Sony released a $600 dollar console for crying out loud!

Don't agree? Then imagine this: Sony added a few more SPUs/features, releasing an $800 PS3 instead; would it sell more or less? Or if they threw in a little extra RAM and topped PS3 off at a $1000; would sales rise or fall?

There's a limit to what consumers are willing pay, and it seems Sony has gone well above it. However, the remedy is a simple one: Drop the price! If it requires scrapping bluray, then so be it if they want higher sales... After all, if Microsoft can release games on regular dvds, so can Sony.

the wii has pleny of quality titles coming....
Battalion wars 2
Mario Party 8
Project HAMMER
Sadness
Disaster: Day Of Crisis
Forever Blue
No More Heroes
Mario Strikers
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: Crystal Bearers
Fire Emblem: Goddess of Dawn
Dragon Quest Swords: The Masked Queen and the Tower of Mirrors
Nights: Journeys of Dreams
oh ya almost forgot..
Super Mario Galaxy
Super Smash Bros Brawl
Metroid Prime 3

First off, Wii is not winning PS2 is still out selling all consoles, which means PS2 games are still being sold which might end up being played on a PS3 one day. I have an Xbox 360 and I'm sick and tired of people saying oh the wii is winning, winning what. The PS2 is killing the PS3 not the Wii. In order for the PS3 to sell more system, they would need to stop making the PS2 but won't because it's a cash cow. Second, they should of only release one sku the $499 with a 20GB an offer upgradeable HD and wifi instead of including them. I think the 2 sku hurt them, and of course WHERE ARE THE FRICKING GAMES? I will buy the PS3 once all the goodies come out on it. The wii well I still have my gamecube

ONLY PEOPLE WITH ALOT OF MONEY THAT HAVE LIKE 9 CARS DON'T COMPLAIN BOUT SONYS PRICE. BUT THEY NEED 2 REALIZE SONY WON'T HAVE ALOT OF SELLS IF IT'S PRICEY, LIKE 1 PS3= 2KING SIZE LOBSTERS, W/CAVIAR. MY POINT IN DROP THE PRICE BY $200 DOLLARS AN PS3 WILL BE OFF THE SHELVES AS FAST THE THE SUCESS OF THE Wii.

yeah it's pricey but that exaggeration is a bit over the top. I'm 16 and me and my brother don't have 9 cars. we get paid minimum wage and it only took us about 3 weeks. Just buy ur system of choice it's that simple.

If you can afford a HDTV to enjoy watching HD movies and TV, then you can afford a PS3, its a simple as that. I can't really see anyone buying a PS3 without a HDTV or at least planning on doing so shortly. That's the big bucks when looking at enjoying HD gaming not the price of a PS3.

If your watching tv on a 27" or less CRT TV eating Kraft dinner and wondering how your going to pay your rent this month then guess what its not just the PS3 that's to expensive for you. Sony does however have a very nice system at $95 with a great library of games at much more affordable prices that I am sure will satisfy your gaming needs.

Ultimately its not the cost of the system thats expensive. Its the cost of all the games your going to buy. For the 360 its even more expensive when you add in the cost of playing online.

is simply that the Wii wasn't trying to win.

"Oh you have fantastic bleeding edge graphics and a super math processor? That's nice. We can jump around and have fun."

The reason the 360 is doing better than the PS3 here in America is because the gamers that waited to see what they could do are comparing the systems and seeing no reason to spend $200 extra. Why buy a PS3 when I can get better looking games on a cheaper system?

The reason the PS3 sells better in Japan than the 360 is because Japanese culture has a stong stigma attached to foreign products. Cultural racism if you will.

However, the system is still outsold by the Wii by an astonishing margin, and in Japan's society of rabid gamers, that's saying a whole lot. It's not about price over there I can tell you. It's about the value of the product.

If you love your PS3, fine. By all means love it.

But coming in here and calling a CNN article 'rubbish' because you don't like what it says makes you look like idiots.

PS3 owners - if you don't have buyer's remorse, you have no reason to flame the story.

You gotta admit, this is a pretty stupid article. I mean, I love the Wii and I'm happy that it's haxtehpwnage-ing Sony's ass right now (I hate Sony with a passion), but this generation JUST started and they are already declaring Sony out?

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45.2 - First Unsung states that Price is the issue
and then ignores that fact when stating the PS3's sales figures compared to PS1 and PS2. PS1 didn't cost $600, and neither did PS2. What the PS3 is doing however is beating the 360's sales progression (when one compares time frames). With such a small library and such a high price it's amazing that Sony's sold so many units. Microsoft's early launch caught everyone off guard, but Sony and Nintendo are coping well and catching up fast."

Wrong, DJ, Wrong again.

Comparing the same time frames up to 2 months ago, they were selling about the same. There wasn't a big difference. But since February 2007, the PS3 for example in North America sunk to an all time low of 130k sold. March, same, 130k sold.

The XBOX 360 has constantly, every month, been selling between 200 and 300k every month. It never dropped close to 100k what the PS3 is showing now.

In Japan, the PS3 sank to an all time low of 10k a week. We all know the XBOX isn't populair, because the Japanese like things that are made by themselves (read Nintendo/Playstation). But still, the 360 sells at least 25% of the PS3 sales there constantly. That's huge for that country. The Wii is kicking the PS3 but on a major way, which wasn't expected.

Europe, after a great PS3 launch, the numbers dropped like hell for the PS3. Only fanboys buy a PS3 for that high price.

Thus, catching up? I don't think so. In NA alone, the 360 outsold the PS3 last months with 70k to 100k a month. They can't make that up with Japan. They won't make it up with Europe (both selling equal and newest sales marks might even give 360 the lead again as in NA).

So were are they selling the PS3 then? To Aliens on Mars?

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so who is the idiot that said that sony failed on its promises and the other idiot that said it aint 600 dollars powerful and even the other idiot that said that blue ray isnt nessassary i am about to prove each and every person that ever had a disrespectable thing to say about the ps3 or sony:

1st- the idiot that said that sony failed on their promises uh no they didnt you say that as if the system has finished the next gen console race already and never put out graphics that they showed in e3 05 well when did you take that time machine to 2011 because i want to see that i assure you by 2011 there will be games availible on ps3 that will make killzone 2 look like paper mario and ill tell you why no ill save that for later

for the idiot that said that sony didnt deliver on their promises, and the other idiot that said that blue ray isnt needed, or the demwit that said that ps3 isnt 600 dollars powerful, and even for you idiots that say that it is over for the ps3 and sony i will make you eat your own words because you are in need of the truthful facts dont worry i will give them to you because all you are saying is based on the here and now not comming months or comming years but i will straiten everything out soon enough

first off for the demwit that said that the ps3 isnt 600 dollars powerful you are exactly right for the power that sony gave you in the ps3 they outta be chargin ya about more like 16,000 and that aint no exaggeration many of you idiots dont understand that the ps3 has a supercomputer inside of it and the cheapest supercomputer on the market is sold for about 15,000 dollars but sony decided to sacrifice that far and give you one for well under the 600 dollar price point now the reason why the ps3 is more powerful than any 180 or pc that you can build or buy is because the graphics that the ps3 is capable of are the graphics that will enter the 4d era and that is not a lie that sony told at all currently the only thing that can and has produced 4d graphics are supercomputers, and sony has given you one next if you really believe that the 180 is anywhere near the ps3 in any way in power do yourself a favor and drink a cup o' kerosene please the 180 has nothing near a supercomputer inside of it and that is with all of the 180s hardware put together the 180 would have a better chance of competing with a pc than a ps3 a way better chance.

For the idiot that said that the blue ray isnt needed well it isnt if your not aiming for cutscene and movie and later 4d graphics in game this infact was the most ingenious thing that sony couldve ever put inside the ps3 this will be what carries the ps3 further than pcs for many years and this is where the real graphic power will begin to manifest out of the ps3.

Next for the idiot that said sony didnt deliver on their promises well you act as if the ps3 has been out its entire lifecycle no my friend 6 months isnt anywhere near long enough to say that the ps3 hasnt delivered id say wait for killzone 2 before you say that i mean whatever time machine that you took to see the ps3 in 5 to 6 and even 10 years an saw the graphics the same as now i want to go in that same time machine please lend it to me i will pay you.

For the nutjob that said that sony has failed and ps3 has failed that is a joke i can assure you that wii will sell for this maybe year and some months then there will be a swift drop the wii will be like Chris Webber once was an extremely good basket ball player but now he is extremely washed up same with the wii if you really think that the wii will defeat the ps3 for more than a year and a half even with a price point the size of the ps3s go and drink a cup o' pine sol it would do you a lot of justice for the embarrassment for this and also believing that the 180 is on anywhere of a surface of ps3s power, graphics, and longevity.

And for the idiots that say that sony has failed wrong everything is going according to sonys plans they want you to truely believe in your mind that the 180 is as powerful or almost as powerful as the ps3 that is why the games that are multiplatform look even on the ps3 and 180 that will not last just keep talking trash what more do you want the sony corp is trying to save the microsoft corp from thereselves and their embarassment, what are you idiots asking for the generational gap i mean sony is even sparing the pc people that truely think that crysis is the best looking game and that games wont look better on the ps3 haha ha spare yourself the embarassment you best believe that sony sees the blogs and the forums and the media and even the trash talk they are dealing with the trash talk for now the sony original plan is to let things balance out and then boost on the competition somewhat like when gohan was fighting cell at first he was even or somewhat even with cell but then he stopped playing around with cell and then he decided that was enough and then he decided lets go super saiyan 2 and then he made all the rest of the z warriors and cell and the cell jrs look weak put together do you want sony to snap and say, "ok we tried to save these idiots from thereselves atleast this early but i see that they want this generational gap this early so dumb to think that a machine that maxed out at glitches of ware could compete with supercomputer power, but lets give em' what they want." Trust and belive you dont want it right now its to early for these graphics.

Now i will let you know why this is all possible on the ps3 and i aint just makin this up first of all for all of you that say that the ps3 graphic chip in the ps3 is not as powerful as the 1 in the 180 you are far from the truth you remember when it was said that the ps3 is 2X the power of the 180 that was sorta an understatement that is only the specs on paper but the fact of the matter is when you merge the cell and the RSX the numbers of the specs are astronomical ill tell you why the cell consist of 9 seperate computers its quite an easy concept that was possible only by the japanese geniouses it really matters not how powerful the RSX is or not the RSX since the CELL has 9 seperate processors the RSX can count 9 times so whereas you say a dumb statement like Crysis cant be done on the ps3 i laugh at you that game is about as hard as running mario on ps3 it was said by someone that 1 level in Crysis has what 2 million polygons in it WOW thats alot kinda but you see the RSX alone is capable of putting 3 million polygons on screen along with other features that can make graphics astounding but you see the RSX alone could do this game but the thing is why i know that ps3 will have games that will make killzone look like paper mario is because imagine RSX 9 times along with all the power remaining with the cell supercomputer let me show you a little thing that will blow your mind 2 million polygons is alot but, it was said in the killzone 2 trailer 1 head of the characters had over 1 million polygons alone that is truely astounding and dont worry i have proof to back up my statements unlike you that just listen to fake tech specialist and also state your impossible dreams remember before the ps3 even was announced they had stated that the ps3 WILL have games that the realtime WILL be indistinguishable with the cutscenes well there is proof do you remember when in the killzone 2 trailer the part where the ship that the soldiers were riding in had landed and the graphics slightly chaged this is what i mean about the ps3 having graphics indistiguishable with the cutscenes now the thing that you idiots dont understand is you keep saying that sony shows cg WRONG not this time sony thought smart this time and included hardware that could make it easy to make cutscene movie and cg graphics possible in game without the need of supercomputers because the ps3 has the very thing that does those graphics that is why they could with enough money make the Halo 3 trailer in true playable form on the ps3.

now i will give you proof of how the ps3 is easily worth way more than 600 dollars:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

this is proof of the ps3s power these are only tech demos some are using only the cell for those of you that say cell has nothing to do with graphics and some were showing you what is possible with cell and rsx merged and the scary thing is they are in the ps3s early developement it shows where things are going to go with the ps3 when developers when they are willing to invest enough money with the ps3 My time is up i will be back with more thank you for your time

Wasn't this article about who's making money?Where sony went wrong making money -i.e. sony is a company,needs to make money,not just an incredibly badass gaming console that people are not buying because of price?

The Wii is so different from the 360 and the PS3. It appeals to casual gamers, while the other two compete for the more hardcore fans. The real competition is between the 360 and the PS3, and the 360 is winning right now, hands down. With its cheaper price, better graphics card, better controller and live service, along with its far superior game lineup, it looks to stay that way for the meantime. Not to mention, the PS3 will have extra tough competition this fall with the release of BioShock, Mass Effect, and Halo 3.

By the way, some people on this board need to learn how to use punctuation.

I got two kids, car payment, college payment, rent, and only make $11hr. so its not like im rich. But if you want something(like a ps3) then SAVE YOUR MONEY. i did it took me 3 months and i don't regret it. Once you own one you can tell where every single penny went. So many different things your can do besides play games.

People complain about price because it's a legitimate concern. Seriously, the cost of things don't come in to play when you decide if you're going to buy something or not? Seriously, why defend a high price? Worth it or no, if I can't afford it, I can't afford it. ALL CONSUMERS win when things get cheaper. By the sound of your situation (financially), you of all people could appreciate a less costly ps3. I refuse to believe you'd rather pay more for something than less.

and the other will be but a distant memory!

the 180 does have a better graphics card to someone with a preschool education even if the 180 had a better graphic card (which it dont)when it multiplies across 9 seperate computers what ever equal you see with ps3 and 180 will vanish 9 times over do your self a favor make the graphic competition with the pc not ps3 your 180 stands a much better chance that way

you see i dont tell stories or false tales or made up things or lies i have proof of what just simply isnt possible on anything but the ps3 you have no proof you have nothing but what someone said all you idiots do is say that some dumb developer told you that ps3 cant do it and that is fine but if a supercomputer cant do it then that means your making an excuse to get around making the game come on Crysis it looks nice but to say it aint possible on the ps3 is like saying there aint outta the whole world gonna be no Church on Sunday man please stop doin meth it aint good for ya the 180 wont even make it to 3.5d and it wont even make it to 4d in a cutscene and that aint even trash its truth 4d has only been seen by a couple major companies in supercomputer developement it cost serious money to even make a 4d movie but the ps3 will break into the 4d rank and it can do it realtime pc people think they have surpassed ps3 but they all do meth crystal meth that is if crysis is pcs best then pc should give up even before 180 for the pc people think that their costly pcs give them a graphic advantage but the problem is thanks to sonys planning for 5 years they came up with the ingenious idea to put 1st a supercomputer in the machine and that is the fuel that will push graphics into the 4d era then genious idea #2 RSX many of you think that you know so much about the RSX and say that the specs are weak and the 180 graphic chip is superior to the RSX well ill ask it one more time if sony put a supercomputer in the ps3 then what makes you think they would put a weak graphic chip to couple with it? They wouldnt you cant have incompatible hardware and expect the results that you want thats like in the buu saga in DBZ when buu absorbed mystic gohan an goku needed a fusion partner as a substitute for gohan although no one could amount to gohans power he surely didnt want to couple up with someone like HERCULE or Tien or dende because they would be incompatible with goku's powerlevel BUT vegeta when they fought earlier they were dead even that is the reason he chose vegeta. So in saying that i am saying this sony aint gonna plan for 5 years an make a dumb mistake like the last time and they also aint gonna make a dumb mistake an couple the epitimy of computer chip power a supercomputer on a chip with a weakling chip that is not even as powerful as the stupid zenos or zenon or whatever that trash is i dont think so because the graphics wouldnt even look any where near 4d anytime so id think that the graphic chip although the 180 chip and the ps3 chip look nearly identical on paper there is something deep within the RSX something like Gohan remember in DBZ in the beginning when Radditz first came an goku and piccolo were basicaly weak but gohan all of a sudden with no training unleashed his hidden power and he boosted past goku and piccolo and power had no limit it just kept going up he was so powerful radditz was wondering where he couldve gotten such a giant increase of power he would read his scouter all the other times and it said 710 but he thought it was wrong then he knew it was right when he busted out of the space pod an attacked an did irreparable damage, the motto of this story is dont underestimate something for the power that you see before you it may seem weak but, there may be something much deeper than what you see, and this IS a CUSTOM graphic chip so i know there is something that is definately not seen in the specs of the system in addition to the massive power that is availible when CELL and RSX are coupled.

Also one point that ive never brought up on all of these blogs is that if the RSX is so weak then first you dont realize what you are saying the name of it is Reality Synthesizer and the (X) is a mystery so my point of that is if the chip is weak an the graphics arent going to look like real true next gen then why would they call the chip REALITY SYNTHESIZER first of all you have to learn what it means to synthesize something to synthesize means that something will be refined to make something greater, now this goes back to what i said about the RSX and CELL being coupled together and is divided amongst 9 processors and multiplied the same power of RSX across each cpu with the right money we could have a game on the ps3 that could break into the 4d era right now but as i said the only developer that isnt influenced by microsoft and its money is Guerilla Games and they have invested 22 million dollars into killzone 2, trust me when they said that the game will surpass the trailer they are not playing killzone 2 will be the tip of the iceburg for the ps3 sony hasnt yet said lets begin the next generation thats why games havent come yet that you will see the NEXT GENERATION but that time is comming youll see once developers see what Guerilla Games has done with the ps3 they will jump aboard the ps3 bandwagon too, this will be the era of the next gen wars that ps3 will be the only NEXT GEN the 180 will seem like middle gen which it is and the wii will just be wiik and once people see these graphics it will be a GREAT turn in the console wars although the ps3 aint a console its more like a portable mega computer and the reason i said mega and not super is because the ps3 has a Supercomputer and a hyper graphic chip and also a future gen disk format player so it IS a MEGA COMPUTER the ps3 generation hasnt yet started judge the multiplayer games and the first 6 months of the ps3 if you wish but when the time comes 180 will look like Sasuke in NARUTO you see sasuke always in the first parts of Naruto seemed more powerful and a better fighter than Naruto but later on when Naruto understood more about his inner power and chakara capacity sasuke seemed weak so he had to go and receive power from Orochimaru just to equal Naruto so the first parts of naruto represents ps3 and 180 now , the part after Naruto understood his power and sasuke was not able to defeat GAARA at all, Naruto was the only one able to fend off GARRA that represents the time comming and when the ps3 will be the only one hanging with the pcs (although the ps3 is going to be ahead of all for this generation) that is the 2nd phase, the 3rd phase is Sasuke runs off like a little biatch and has to recieve a power boost like Vegeta in DBZ in the buu saga this represents microsft or lacksoft giving up with the 180 because they know that it is too weak to produce the graphic quality of a ps3 tech demo in a cutscene and decide to build the 360 which is comming out in 2010 probably will still be getting rapped by ps3s graphics but i have had a nice time encouraging you all with FACTUAL information and true trash and not fictional trash like the 180 fans so long

Sony takes risks.
Others play it safe.
Sometimes people can`t see the reasoning behind some of the choices they make, but they always seem to work out.
Even w/ the PSP, the PSP is the only handheld console that has even survived in competion w/ nintendo.
and for it being there first handheld it really is amazing.

w/ the ps3 they went for power. WHY?
because MS had the power last time.
and Sony already has loads and loads of software.

MS this time around when for software. WHY?
because last time sony had it all.
Personally this time i think MS messed up w/ their hardware(redlights)

If you can`t see how sony is planning this, your blind
yes their behind right now but all the pieces are in place for them to rise.QUICKLY.

I don't think I like being called a "demwit" by a dimwit.

It's not $600 worth of console.
Take out the Blu-Ray, and it's worth about $300, if that. The graphics chip is modified old technology. The Cell is a master at math calculations, but not much else. The best the system has to offer is a sub-par racing game and a shooter that has grainy textures in the close ups.

I tried to play Virtua Fighter 5 today. buddy and I bought the game, put the disc in, and it INSTALLED for 20 minutes. Why bother with this? Is every PS3 owner henceforth limited in the amount of games they are allowed to play? I never heard of installing more than 25% of a game to the hard drive. They use Blu-Ray, more than ample space on a disc for the game to be completely uncompressed, yet the PS3 is designed so poorly that the games must install to the hard drive.

Every 360 game plays without a hard drive. You do not have to purchase a hard drive even if you have every 360 game in the library. If you own all the PS3 games availiable now, and a 20 GB machine, you would have to purchase an additional HD to play them all.

Ridiculously poor design. MS moved forward with the hardware, and Sony moved back. No game on the PS3 needed a Blu-Ray disc. Resistance would have been less than 3.5 GB if the developers knew how to use proper texture and audio compression techniques (that result in LOSSLESS QUALITY, by the way) and weren't simply trying to be a flagship company for Sony.

Yeah, the 360 does have a better graphics card, although the PS3 has a better processor. Fortunately the 360 is easier to program for, so most multiplatform games run a bit smoother on the 360.

Kevin, do you know what a run-on sentence is? Holy crap. Your last post was unreadable. Use punctuation and break it up a little bit.

? I assume all that was a joke. Dragonball analogies were particually far-fetched.

Reguarding the article. PS3 will do well in the long run, but the price is a massive factor. I've got mates who will get a PS3 eventually but really have no money to get it. they will eventually get it but stick with their PS2's until then.

Personally I think the wii will last a bit longer than most of you assume. The adoption rate in japan means that games will be made for it.

how anytime someone says anything bad about sony on this site you get an article with a million billion comments but on the other hand if someone says something bad about Nintendo ummm Nintendo fans don't really seem to care ( and Wii Know there are more Wii owners than PS3 owners). I believe all of the 5 following things:

1. PS3 owners are insecure because they know PS3 is a dabocial.

2. Nintendo Wii owners are to busy enjoying our super fun games to police forums for Sony and Xbox rable rousing fanboys.

3. People don't want there lives controlled by technology just enhanced but if you are rich and dumb vs broke and smart, then you have the upperhand( Fantastic Four The movie for good exmaple)
4. President of Nintendo stated this in an article on the official Nintendo website (not a direct quote) "we looked at the technical forecast to see where console where going and we were at first going to build a machine like sony and xbox but after a year we decided, hey people are tired of the same of more tech and slightly better graphics so we decided to change gameplay and give consumers what they really wanted something truly different". I say this to say Nintendo was smart enough realize this early...Sony...well you know what happened.

5. Lastly I would like to conclude this in the most intelligent and mature way I can........................... ....

NAH NAH NAH NAH NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA H!!!!!!!!!!!! I TOLD YOU NINTENDO WOULD COME BACK AND KICK SONY'S A$$ FOR STEALING PSONE FROM THEM!!!! (and if you don't believe me reseach I was shocked as well)

Hey bro I don't know if you're serious or not but that was seriously one of the most funny posts I've ever read on a forum anywhere. Thank you sir!