LOL @ HIPHOPGAMER APPROVAL!!!!!!!

Bloggers are not journalists.

Look at this dork!

Lawl.

same thing i thought

Killzone 2.
Uncharted 2.
God Of War 3.
Ratchet and Clank.
MGS4.
Gran Turismo 5.
If that's all smoke and mirrors then SONY can spin this so called illusion for as long as they like for all I care.

Yes, the Cell is a powerful CPU, but it's not nearly as powerful as the PS3 fans make it out to be.

Hmm I wonder which console has the best looking game. I know it's not the firebox 360.

to bad the kid is not in the hardware biz and really could first understand and than communicate about the cell chip..
he is talking from such a high level, based upon net reading

I dont really care about how powerful the Cell is. I dont care how its done, and I dont care why competition isnt as developed and impressive.

The only thing that matters to me (regarding graphics) is that the PS3 is putting out the best, no one is touching those first-party developers, save for maybe Ubisoft (Assassin's creed 2) and Capcom (RE5, LP2). And I wish for this trend to continue for my preferred gaming console of choice (I own all 3).

It's not just smoke and mirrors, it's the best rendered smoke and mirrors on any console.

I hope this great blog...err...article can bring out the intellectual heavy-weights. Come on boyz and maybe girl. Show us your brilliance by arguing on the interwebz with strangers. That way you can feel better about something you have no control over.

Lol and the title. :3

Look at it this way,what are graphics to you?

A) A brilliantly made piece of technology filled with polygons,colours,beautiful scenery great motion and effects

OR

B) A brilliantly made piece of technology filled with polygons,colours,beautiful scenery great motion and effects that is spun and set up as an illusion,but really isn't as powerful as it looks?

I mean what's the difference,if something looks good it looks good right? Why must polygons and how lighting is made make any difference to the simple fact it looks stunning?
Remember that you're playing a great looking game but that's all it is,a game. A graphical illusion. A piece of eye-entertainment.

The really sad thing is that by picking it apart you will always find a problem and something that isn't right, and spoiling the experience for YOURSELF.
Some things should be taken directly at face value and graphical power is one of those things. They're made to look good so you ENJOY looking at it,not so you can sit there picking a fault.

This is all a great looking illusion but that is all it was ever made to be.

I don't get this site...you make some unbiased comment and it gets deleted by mod...someone gets a flamebait article and gets approve.

I LOVE VIDEOGAMES!!

My picture speaks for itself
http://i32.tinypic.com/2pzb...

Something that far too many people don't understand is just what the CELL actually is and, more importantly, what it's meant to be used for.
It's a bit like the Megahertz myth that AMD and Intel used to fight about, you can show lots of benchmarks and statistics showing just how fast the CELL can be, but the reality is that it's still a general-purpose CPU. The GPUs inside both the 360 and the PS3 can push polygons way faster than the 7 CELL processors in the PS3 ever could, but that's because they were designed specifically for that express purpose. The CELL was designed to be a Co-processor, which essentially means that for SOME tasks, it'll be blisteringly fast, but for others it wont be.
That's not putting the CELL down at all, I'm basically saying that it's VERY VERY good at what it was designed for, but one thing it certainly was NOT designed for is rasterisation, which is basically what a GPU does.
Before you slam your finger on the disagree button, just ask yourself this question - if the CELL truly was responsible for the amazing graphics you've seen on the PS3, then why on earth does it have a completely-unrelated, nothing-to-do-with-CELL-at-all GPU inside it?
However, the next time you see some particularly gorgeous and realistic physics in motion, or perhaps even a scarily advanced AI, you can be pretty sure the CELL is hard at work.

I want to start by saying i absolutely agree, as long as it looks good or great, i don't care how it was done...

But given that the gameplay is also epic, graphics are a deal breaker for me MOST of the time...

I know not everyone shares my same views, but in a game like gears2 or killzone2, i get SO much more immersed in the game the closer to real (or fictional life) it gets... instead of looking at jaggies and screen tears and blurry textures i get the art style the developer wanted to portray...

i am absolutely a graphics whore, but gameplay is just as important,to me you can't have one without the other, must have both...and every once in a while u see a game like gears, cod, uncharted, or killzone and many more that check off all the important bullet points and I'm lost in that game for months lol

i think we all know which console the 'smoke' comes from

So they stole Natals tricks? FAIL.

I love how everyone on this site instantly starts hating on small sites and kissing the big corporate sites asses. Look I don't think many of you can even understand how much hard work and dedication it takes to run a game site. You have to be on the ball everyday. Nick did talk about some very valid points. The only problem is that 80% of you never read any articles or watch the web shows. You guys read a little blip of the article and then make up your minds. If any of you think you can do better then get off N4G and create a site. Until then just shut up and actually read or listen to what you dog so bad.

Damn and people wonder why kids these days are getting dumber and dumber.

...sigh

This is why I find it hard to take videos of a 14-something kid seriously.

havent posted anything in months, but who started this "smoke and mirrors" crap? if its done, and its done right, does it really matter?

No, the cell processor is not Natal.

Killzone 2
Uncharted
Uncharted 2

This article is officially debunked.

look at early target video and then look at the games sony put out.

uncharted looks better than the target.

GT5 looks better thsn the target.

killzone looks better and has more going on than the target.the large explosions of missles is the only thing missing.the explosions were close but not as good as the target.

ratchet looks as good or bett than the target.

heavenly sword looks so close,that i think it was more that they wanted the game to release soon because ps3 needed games.but the gameplay matched the target.

motorstorm could have matched it.but sony's idea as most games that are on ps3,is to have as muche going on with lots of players.but number 2 comes so close,that it negates number one.

resistance came out looking better than the early gameplay videos.there was no target.

games online are doing 32-40-60-256 players simultaneously.what other system is doing that?none.

time and time again,that CELL processor is proving its metal in games that are releasing.and that with 6 spes working on games.but i don't care what anyone says,and got disagrees on....

i bet in the future,sony will turn on that last chip if necessary to give ps3 even more power.third party devs were already struggling to push what was given to them,having anything more would have been frightening to them.just like i knew streaming of games was coming to consoles without you having the game.i know that sony will do it just like hackers and sony changed psp from 222mghz to 333mghz and game it more power.

just watch,ps3 and the engines made for it,will unlock that last SPE.but even still,the CELL is doing what sony said it would.while on the side,it's cracking codes,doing cancer research,looking for black holes and doing multiple HD streams simultaneously.

CELL has power.and we are going to see more of it.

apocalypse.......

See, the thing is, no person can tell me how Gears 2, Uncharted and KZ2 looks like on my Sony Bravia. I have people tell me "look on youtube to see that KZ2 blows everything away", I don't have to you douche I have all the evidence I need, all in its desired form and what I see is a lot of...smoke. Don't believe the hype people is all I'm saying. If anyone tells you that anything on the PS3 is leaps and bounds above Gears they are lying and have never played Gears on a HDTV...plain and simple.

But since the ps3 is the graphics king, let's just say "uh, I don't think so.
Better luck next gen xbutts. You're system is wasted like an old abused hoar bag.
There's flies all over it. Bzzzzz!

I clicked it and saw that kid....didn't watch. He is nothing more then a flaming fanboy and I still can't understand why his jibba jabba gets approved.

More like Devs are not smart enough to work with Cell

Naughty Dog has made the best looking game this generation

Uncharted 1 and Uncharted 2, nothing on 360 can top that nothing.

Is thegameraccess Smoke and Mirrors?

I think some of you fanboys on both sides should do a little more research and learn about the hardware in both of these machines. Maybe most of you are kids and don't know any better. But for the adults on the site...It is 100% fact that the PS3 hardware is more powerful than the 360 hardware overall. However, there are tradeoffs when it comes to different components of their hardware. For instance, the PS3 has a more powerful CPU. The 360 has a slightly more powerful GPU. However, this gpu advantage for the 360 is nulified by the architecture of the cell/RSX (cell helps the RSX). Half of the PS3 512 GB of memory is faster than the 360's but the fact that some of this memory has to go to the OS(operating systems) on their respective systems gives the 360 a slight advantage when it comes to overall memory usage. Reason being, Microsoft being a software company are running an OS that uses less memory than the PS3's OS. Another reason the PS3's OS uses more memory is that it has a native resolution of 1920 x 1080p whereas the 360's OS has a native resolution of 1280 x 720. Yes, an engine's potential and developer talents can be an advantage in terms of the end result which is the games that are produced. But the hardware and architecture of the hardware is what makes the difference in terms of how well the software runs. If you take Killzone and Uncharted and try to run it on the PS3 and 360, the better overall hardware will run the game better. (of course customized for both consoles). Think of how pc games work. PC games are scaleable...more powerful cpu and gpu runs the games better. You can't just point to one aspect of the PS3 and say that this is why PS3 games look better than 360 games. There is a host of reasons. The cell processor is just one of the ps3's advantages. The PS3 has more advantages than the 360. It just so happens that there is a bigger difference in PS3 advantages.(360 has slightly more powerful GPU but PS3 has a way more powerful cpu. 360 has slightly better memory management but the PS3 bluray allows way more space than the 360 dvd-9, etc). Bottom line...360 advantages are slight advantages while the PS3 advantages are huge advantages. Unlike you kids on here. I know what I am talking about because I have a BS in Electrical Engineering and a MS in Computer Science. I am both a Electrical Engineer (Hardware Engineer) and a Software Engineer. My specialty is hardware design (chip design...i.e. cpu's gpu, memory, etc) and programming software applications...and more but this is what is relevant to the conversation. I even attended an IBM cell broadband workshop for developers when I worked for IBM. The only reason multiplatform games look better on the 360 is because these multiplatform engines were built from the ground up for the 360 and the ps3 has a radical architecture. What does this mean? It means that multipatforms are natively 360 games that have been tailored to run on the PS3. This gives the 360 a native advantage because these games are built with the 360's advantages in mind (GPU, memory usage). The 360 was first to market so they have advantage with 3rd party development. You guys are being hung up on sony's talented developers. These same talented developers created games on the ps2 those games accept a few didn't look better than xbox games...why?...because the xbox was the more powerful hardware. The same applies to this generation of consoles...these same talented developers games now all look better than 360 games because the PS3 is the more powerful hardware. End of Story.

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Anyone else think this title is Misleading?

"written by RobJ, July 23, 2009
Nova you're an idiot

The PS3 Does not have a better video card you noob, it has the equivalent of a Geforce 7800 while the 360 has the equivalent of an ATI 2900XT

The PS3 cell (CPU) is better because it can handle multi core processing, but no one knows how to use it

A big problem of the PS3 is the difficulty to render light dynamically due to limited ram"

I may be wrong, but doesn't Killzone 2 have HUNDREDS of dynamic lights in many levels, from Helghast goggles, flame thrower (pisser) fire casts dynamic light, muzzle flashes and just plain old fixed lights?

Is this Guy for Real??? Come on if I had a nickel for every time he said Cell Processor! What a case of verbal diarrhea, this video would be 4 times shorter if he edited it. Don't waste your time with this rant.

I love these debates. Lots of uneducated Microsoft followers as usual. PS3 is hands down waaaayyy more powerful than the Xbox 360. PS3 is alot more powerful than what PS3 fans make it out to be. Ask the scientists, engineers and doctors who use it. I myself have been using the cell processor add-on to help aid in calculations at the nuclear reactor that i'm doing my co-op at(Currently an Energy Solutions Engineering and mechanical engineering undergrad with other multiple degrees). Dave shippy was the lead designer....designer...that's it. He didn't even design the thing, Sony did. Sony filed the patent. He doesn't program anything on it, nothing. He was there to help turn the patent file into reality. He just helped put it together. He probably doesnt even know what paralell processing is.Why are fanboys so blind to see the facts. Why are people even listening to this dumb kid anyways? he looks like he's in highschool and has no idea how technology even works. The PS3 beats out the Xbox 360 in every hardware department. CPU and GPU, Ram Speed, build quality, everything. Blu-ray does make a big difference in streaming data and how fast data can be found. PS3 has real time wave tracing, 7.1 surround sound, the works. There is no contest here....move along children

PS; yes the ps3 does have a better gpu, becuase it was custom built to work in harmony with the cpu....ignorance is bliss.

from what i know the proprietory engine make thing in the game like grass, sky, water, etc. from what i know the cell processor 8 spu can be used to do its own thing for example you can run the water and sky on one spe. graphics cards let you make thing look good the processor allows you to run these animations and the better the processor the more and better you can make these images that the graphic cards projects if that makes sense

From someone who has seen it before and knows how it will end.
The steady stream of articles who's sole purpose is to generate hits and keep the 'hearthfire stoked' must be stopped or at the very least slowed.As they continue to dominate N4G's front page respectability and credibility are damaged and one must consider the longterm viability of this site as the bleeding seemingly cannot be stopped.I realize traffic is the end result,a necessity but more constructive,intelligent,infor mative avenues exist capable of generating 'hits'.Quit approving and contributing this utter speculative trash or you may find that many will quit contributing their time to this virtual soap opera.End rant.
News 4 Gamers? not so much as of late.Is anyone at the wheel?

Xbox fans need a reality check. Sorry guys but the 360 is not more powerful than the PS3. And no, none of your games (multiplatform or exclusive) look better than their equivalent PS3 exclusive games in the same genre. This is fact and is not a matter of opinion. This is fact like it is a fact that Killzone 2 looks miles better than Halo 3. You guys have a better chance arguing sales because that's where the 360 has the advantage. But I personally rather play games than play sales. Lol. I only care about sales to the extent that I want all platform holders to be successful so that they can continue to produce systems and games so I can continue to maximize my gaming fix. Other than that I can care less what Halo 3 sold versus Killzone 2 or how much 360 sold versus ps3. Honestly, 360 fans you guys should really be thanking Sony for the risks they took this generation to push the hardware and technology. This will force Microsoft to step it up again next gen. Microsoft really cut corners this gen and if I was an Xbox owner, I would be pretty pissed with Microsoft cutting corners hardware wise and the direction that they are going (casual market).

show me something on consoles that look better than this smoke and mirror.

One word:

Killzone 2

But Visuals are a bonus not the defining factor of what makes a game great, sure Crysis look brilliant on full graphics but its a mediocre FPS, the same could be agrued with Killzone 2 but I have fallen in love with that game for unknnown reasons. One thing that can often be derived from a good looking game is that most of the time they have a skilled staff behind their game which obviously increases the chance of that game being a hit.

Could we get Donald Duck to translate so I can understand this guy?

it's like i'm in 2007 all over again.

this article has no merit. not in the light of games like Uncharted (Drake's Fortune, i don't even have to bring Uncharted 2 into this; that game owns everything out right now in terms of visuals), Killzone 2, Metal Gear Solid 4, Ratchet and Clank Future (Tools of Destruction; A Crack in Time just decimates all other cartoon style games out there), inFAMOUS (best looking open world game out right now), Little Big Planet, Gran Turismo 5 Prologue, and more.

seriously, are we STILL questioning the capabilities of the Playstation 3? let me recheck my calendar, i could have sworn we were in 2009...

I love reading comments and posts from people talking about the Cell or the Xenon that have no idea how processors actually work. It's also funny to see people quote Dave Shippy without actually reading his book or reading the actual context of that quote.

1. Don't comment upon that which you do not know.
2. Read a little bit further than some soundbyte that you think proves your favorite doodad is better than someone else's doodad, thus making you awesome.

Now that Jim Ryan is gone just need to remove Herman Hulst from his position! And maybe give Shuhei the position he deserved.

This gen hasn't been the best for games, last gen consoles are still out there and now there's been talk of the PS6 and Xbox Two for a year or so. Many games this gen will be ported to next gen and the cycle will continue. The re-release of the Neo Geo AES+, games on cartridge for £70 ($95), gaming is going back in time. Gaming has gone pricing mad with the high cost of games, consoles and controllers. The men and women at the top are clueless.

It’s always interesting to hear behind-the-scenes stories like this, especially involving veterans like Shuhei Yoshida and leadership figures like Jim Ryan. That said, there are usually multiple sides to decisions at that level. It could be less about not “listening” and more about differences in long-term vision for PlayStation. Yoshida played a huge role in shaping the brand, so whatever the reason, his impact is undeniable.

If true, and I'm inclined to believe it is, it goes to show that Sony lost their way when they became more western/didn't respect the PlayStation origin story. Andrew House and Jack Tretton did great work, but they also didn't try to fundamentally change the PlayStation DNA. Ryan oversaw the death of Japan Studio and a live service direction.

I already figured this, good lord imagine if Shuhei took over instead, would've been a platinum era 😩

I miss the first three generations of PlayStation. The way they turned PS3 around, we knew they meant business. We were all worried for a bit there around launch. Eventually from 2008 they started shifting slowly. But since Yoshida was fired, it's never been the same. Still enjoy my PS5 daily. I got a backlog dating back to PS2 lol So I'm fine but new games aren't as appealing anymore.

It seems like we were thrown on to the worst timeline possible where everything is too expensive and the wrong people were put in positions that makes the world a shitty place. We could have had Shu as the head of PS but we got the shitty alternative. Same goes for everyone in power around the world. Doesn’t matter the company or country the majority of us got the shitty picks and the world is declining like never before. I do think PS can come out of this because of their studios, talent and IP but they need someone more in touch with gamers leading things like Shu was. They’re still the best place for console gaming imo but it could be much better than it is especially without the massive live service failures. The rest of the world I have a lot less hope for right now. Hopefully the pendulum swings back towards the good ole days but I’m preparing for the worst.

There goes illuminati distraction story

So now there's certifiable proof that Ryan was in fact "fired", as opposed to when it was first announced that he "retired", in order to save face.

There's another guy who recently "retired" as CEO of another large gaming company, after doing a dismantling job as lead for well over a decade.

seems legit, the business man, fires the one who has ideas to move the business forward.

Jim Ryan is the reason why we are entering year 6 since the PS5 launch and many of us don't feel like the PS5 has gotten started as yet.

I hope going forward, we will see a return to form.