Filling up space for the sake of it is stupid, and game assets take time and money to create.

The additional storage is needed to allow for longer games or higher resolution games. So far this gen the format hasn't been beneficial. Somehow we are still seeing mandatory installs and ports from DVD9 based games. Metal Gear is the closest thing to an actual Blu-Ray based game, but the load times between levels pretty much simulates the changing of a disc.

The PS3 is paving the way for the next generation which will optimize the format if disc based storage is still the norm. Perhaps towards the end of this hardware cycle Blu-Ray will be optimized on the PS3, but so far it's a bust for gaming.

-Death

It is worse for movies Death. Case in point the upcoming Star Trek: Blu-Ray

The answer: Because Sony is in 3rd place. The only people who are going to push the envelope are 1st party devs and people like Kojima who have a grand vision for their game. Once this happens, maybe a few other devs see the capabilities and start to think about what THEY could do with the Cell and BluRay space, but most won't until all the extra time and work translates into sales.

Multiplay devs aren't fully utilizing blue ray because they have no reason to.

They're job is currently to make a game that will fit on both the 360/ps3/pc or whatever systems/consoles they're making it on. To make one version vastly superior would be gimping the others. Thus leaving less sales on that one console, and makign them feel like they're buying half a product.

This can only be done with exclusives. Obvious reasons. Duh.

Well I would rather play Rage, Doom 4 and games like that on one Bluray disc instead of multiple DVDs.

I love being able to choose between different voice tracks on many PS3 games. There isn't enough space on a Dvd for stuff like that.

RAGE anyone???

Cry me a river sony, they will start to adapt bluray once they get that 2nd job.

It costs money to make Blu Ray discs, as in other other formats, dual layer would cost more to utilize and for the moment, there doesn't seem to be a need to fill up or go over 25gig, apart from MGS.

and you call yourself a journalist...bahahaha

Devs will eventually want to take gaming to the next level. When they do Blu-ray is there.
By the time new consoles are released and the next gen of gaming starts the ps3 will be easy to develop for and the new gen will be a challenge. When choosing between the 360 wii and ps3 devs will choose ps3.
The ps3 will do to the 360 and wii what the ps2 did to the xbox and gamecube.

Cause there Afraid of blu-ray, the power that blu-ray has could change the way anybody watch movies and play videogames in High Definition way more better quality then in just DVD style witch it only high quality.

Everybody pretty much said what I wanted to,but why would a dev make a game fill a blu ray if its a multiplat game?I mean.at best,if their making it for 360 and ps3,they wont compress it as much. . ,but that makes no difference.Seems to me,just about anyone can post videos on N4G and label it as news.What the hell is this?Cheap amateur news for games

It's really simple. The content needed to fill up a double layer Blu-Ray is expensive, so developers aren't going to create it just because there's space available.

Your right heroprotagonist DVD's don't have the space to put japan voice tracks like on Final Fantasy XIII with the 360 version of the game or having the video/sound quality without upscaling or compressing the DVD to have more space.

havent u heard of a game called RAGE coming out from ID software dumb@sses the xbox version will require 2 dvds cuz the game is so huge it would of been bigger but thxs to MS's outdated junk the game has to be tone down. So both pc and xbox will require 2 dvd's and the ps3 1 blu-ray and that game my friends is multi-platform.

developers/publishers are really stupid.

You see that extra space? Throw in a demo/videos of your other games.

why are these stupid fanboy bait articles constantly being printed?

You must not have played or really seen those games then, Demons Soul's beats Elder Scrolls badly an WKC is pretty awesome as well, RE5? sad. That game looks good but if you can look around at your shadow, it looks notthing like you, AC2 an LP2 -_- you pretty dumb to say they look better when they aren't even out and you don't pair a NES to a 360.

So but your comment was dumb.

oh come on people its not like dvd was used properly when was first introduced,hell i can name alot of games which did not use all the space on a dvd, so eventually the space on blu-ray will be used and we will need those 400gb blu-ray discs sooner than what you all think the only thing stopping developers is the cost of making all the resources to fit on a blu-ray disc

Too many multiplat isn´t worth the money today because they´re just too short. Look at all the 5 hours game. I was thinking about buying both the latest tomb raider and mirrors edge but after hearing they´re only like 5 hours long I passed.

It´s a shame the developers make the ps3 owners suffer because of the limited 360 storage.

The cell is too powerful to utilize Blu-Ray properly.

This is in part with M$. I thought this was established back in 97?
How do u make a multiplat game, with out MS getting pissed.
If any this along with others prove sonys position, as well as commitment.
M$ is stalling the gaming world. Their supporters to young to understand.
And some older cats to patriotic to accept it. M$... i guess they feel if they go down,
they talking u and your money with them.

DVD IS OVER 10 YEARS OLD! DVD IS OUTDATED! DVD IS NO HD QUALITY!

BD IS 2 YEARS OLD! WON THE FORMAT WAR! HAS HIGH QUALITY AND HIGH QUALITY AUDIO! ALOT OF STORAGE! ETCS!

WHY CAN'T PEOPLE ACCEPT THAT DVD MUZT BE DEAD? MEH THESE PEOPLE ARE OLD FASHION. OLD FASHION ARE DEAD PERIOD.

that only implies to multiplat games thanks to the Xbox 360 and their dated dvd9 medium. 1st party games and exclusives utilize the advantage of BR and it shows in the final product. That is why Rockstar is making Agent an exclusive after they watered down GTA IV due to the limits the 360 imposes on developers and their visions of what they want their games to be.

Because it takes FOREVER!

Just wait for Protein-coated discs.

http://www.engadget.com/200...

no matter how much space they can hold

give me a a large HD over an optical disc any day

the future is digital downloads, the only limitations are HD space and bandwith, but those are wrinkles that will eventually be ironed out.

if anything Sony, MS, and Nintendo are holding the industry (games and films) by insisting on using an optical disc formats in general

Just because a game is over 20 gigs does not mean that it will sell well or be a good quality game. Hell Peggle is more fun than half the games out there.

just my two cents, disagree away

where's the facts, where's the links, unless he has developed every single game that came out for PS3, how does he know who and how devs are using it. Get some more research in, then your opinion could be backed up instead of random fanboy rant....

MGS4
Resistance 2
Heavenly Sword
Uncharted
Killzone 2
MLB The Show 09
inFamous
Ratchet and Clank
etc.

Are all larger than DVD's limited storage space and it seems like most PS3 exclusives average 20-30gb in size. In ps3 exclusives you tend to see a lot more character animations, detail, and uncompressed audio. Uncompressed audio is awesome. IMO it is one of the best features of Blu Ray technology that is not talked about and it goes for games and movies. 300 on Blu Ray sounds excellent.

The problem with devs not being able to utilize Blu Ray isn't Blu Ray's or Sony's fault. Its the "Multi" platforms themselves. I imagine it isn't very financially sound for devs to make a larger version of COD, RE, GTA, etc. for PS3 then cut it down for 360. Instead they try to stretch the 360 version as much as possible and that is what you get. As mentioned above, we are starting to see this problem with new 360 games : FF13, Forza 3, RAGE, Blaze Blue, etc.

Sony Exclusives utilize the Blu Ray format very well, its too bad that multiplat devs can't do what they want to do because they are limited by disc medium between plats.

Hopefully next gen Microsoft builds a machine that doesn't cut corners that way Playstation and Xbox owners can play the exclusives they love and multiplats can finally be on par with system exclusives.

P.S. Soda, is there one day when you don't just spew fanboy crap? Honestly man, give it a rest. I think people are just starting to feel bad for you.

but i couldn't help but laugh watching this.

does this crap get approved?

don't all box games fully use all the space on a DVD?

don't Xbox games use all of the DVD space? The average box game is 5g, that leaves 4 gigs untouched.

multiplat releases, to the point where 1 just trounces the other version. Im talking beyond the Ghostbusters comparison. Then the system would infinately sell less on the console with the crappiest version obviously.

I feel why Sony is pushing exclusives so freaking hard, is cause they realise they are held back by multiplat devs. by keeping their games on par between both 360 + PS3 that no matter what version you buy, you're damn near getting the same product either way. Sony IS TRYING to justify a PS3 purchase from people through their impressive exclusives. Which THEY CAN rely on to show why the console has bluray for its games.

For someone to think a PS3 game needs all the content as say MGS4 to be justified, is insanely wrong. Content wise MGS4 is the richest game I own this gen over all by PS3 and 360 games I own. But graphically it has been surpassed for quite some time.

Sony just needs to push more exclusives to do the things that multiplat releases simply won't do for them, simply put.

I can't see multiplat releases for PS3 being able to totally eclipse 360 versions. When multiplat devs have gotta make their product equally appealing to justify they will make their money back on the product, I can see the reasoning with this.

This is also a true sign that with average/casual gamers are sold by gimics such as motion control or graphics. Its a sad reality that people are playing games more for playing them with motion or better graphics are more important to people. So in the end the true passion as to why the non-fanboys realise the giant stab to the heart our passion is truely taking!

Now Im off to go buy Watchmen on bluray!

I'd say, and have said before, from what developers have said, Kojima put the blu ray space to best use to date.

According to kojima around the time of the release of mgs4, he copy and pasted portions of the maps all around the blu ray disc to cut down on load times.

while mgs4 did have large installs. look at the game play. all those maps and levels were huge. you could complete a mission in a number of directions and paths and methods all with no load. that was impressive and it shows how copy and pasting data can be beneficial. i'm still baffled that this has been used more by other developers.

even in a multiplatform game. taking some extra time to do this on the ps3 version of a game could make the ps3 versions better and increase sales for those games.

It would be nice to see what kind of game someone could make using up to 50 gig. MGS4 was amazing and I would like to see some other game use the advantage of Blu-ray. A GTA could be a good game to put more into.

it doesn't matter how much space it takes or duplication methods, it's still a "Turd".

While there are advantages to BluRay no doubt, but there is no correlation to Quality.

Therefore, it only matters when devs make it count and I have yet to see that, since exclusive devs will never work on the other platforms but offer PR talk.

To fill up a blu ray disc means more time and effort and money for the developer. Why would they put in all that effort when the DVD9 version on the Xbox 360 will probably sale way more. You fanboys keep forgetting that it is a business designed to make money. You have to spend money to make money but you don't have to be stupid. Why would EA spend millions more producing Madden for the Ps3 when it sales more on the 360. Plain common sense.

Simple, blu-ray isn't being fully utilized for multi-platform games, since companies are making them to be identical on each platform.

This may change once Rage and FFXIII, come out on the PS3/360 on multiple DVD's for the 360 version. I sure hope that's the case, because DVD's would be a serious handicap going into the next gen of HD consoles...well unless the next gen requires heavy loading of disc onto massive harddrives, if that were the case, you might as well be a PC gamer (-_-);;.

--> Blu-Ray and digital downloads both agree on one thing...bigger space is needed. How they achieve that is where they part ways. The fact that both of these new formats are seen as the future proves the necessity of providing a storage medium larger than DVD.

Except for one thing - the amount of actual gameplay length won't be increasing any time soon. Sure you'll get uncompressed video and audio onto Bluray discs... but the time and money it takes for additional content that would take actual gameplay time from 12 hours to 20/25/30 etc for games that aren't RPGs, is not lessening to the point where it would make any sense - business-wise.

MGS4 was on a 50GB Bluray disc - yes.... but without the cutscenes the actual once through gameplay you experience was under 8 hours... and Lair wasn't any longer either.

Putting such games on a DVD in uncompressed form would certainly take up multiple DVD discs - but the quality would be the same. Besides storage... Blu-ray doesn't offer any actual graphical or audio advantages.

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--> Blu-Ray has many uses as we shall discuss each one in it's entirety.

2) 7.1 Standard Sound- DVD standard sound is 5.1. Blu-Ray is 7.1. More channels.

Wrong. There are far more movies without true 7.1 audio than movies with true 7.1 discrete channels. Just because something is on a Blu-ray disc - does not mean it is automatically true 7.1

3) 7.1 High Definition Sound- Beyond the standard 7.1 sound is high definition sound. If a 2 hour recording was compressed 50% then it would still take up 9GB of data. High definition sound takes up a lot of data. I'd say it would be about 18GB without any compression at all. Are they using it? Gran Turismo 5 anyone?

Just so you know - being on Blu-ray doesn't mean --> ZERO compression. Compression is used on many many PS3 games, regarding both audio and video data.

4) Scratch Resistant Coating- Every Blu-Ray disk has a thicker protection surface that prevents scratching the data underneath. This is one of the most overlooked features as it keeps it's value much higher.

True... however the reason for the scratch resistant coating is the Blu-rays' laser pick-up, concerning reading data. It is far more finicky vs DVDs' red laser. Smaller scratches and impurities will affect Blu-ray lasers and cause reading issues, so a durable coating had to be implemented.

5) 3D Gaming- I can only begin to guess the size of data required to fit on the disc.

One can play OLDER DVD games in 3D right now... http://www.metacafe.com/wat...

lol! i tough Blu-ray everyday.

It's because Dev don't want to have the hard time developing games on Blu-Ray cause their technology is hard for them to put on Blu-ray disc. I still say MSG4 is the best damn game I've ever played and it's full 1080P HD. And most companies are either too lazy to use or say it's too hard to Dev a 50GB Blu-ray disc just don't want to use because it will take them much longer time to make their game fit on a 50GB disc. I still say one disc is better than swapping out one by one. And it takes shorter loading times also. If you look at the back of the PS3 game box you can tell multiplatform games only use 720P and a few KB to save their game which don't use the blu-ray disc technology. Games like MSG4 Ghost Busters & Grand Turismo they use MB and at FULL 1080P HD.

Now that Jim Ryan is gone just need to remove Herman Hulst from his position! And maybe give Shuhei the position he deserved.

This gen hasn't been the best for games, last gen consoles are still out there and now there's been talk of the PS6 and Xbox Two for a year or so. Many games this gen will be ported to next gen and the cycle will continue. The re-release of the Neo Geo AES+, games on cartridge for £70 ($95), gaming is going back in time. Gaming has gone pricing mad with the high cost of games, consoles and controllers. The men and women at the top are clueless.

It’s always interesting to hear behind-the-scenes stories like this, especially involving veterans like Shuhei Yoshida and leadership figures like Jim Ryan. That said, there are usually multiple sides to decisions at that level. It could be less about not “listening” and more about differences in long-term vision for PlayStation. Yoshida played a huge role in shaping the brand, so whatever the reason, his impact is undeniable.

If true, and I'm inclined to believe it is, it goes to show that Sony lost their way when they became more western/didn't respect the PlayStation origin story. Andrew House and Jack Tretton did great work, but they also didn't try to fundamentally change the PlayStation DNA. Ryan oversaw the death of Japan Studio and a live service direction.

I already figured this, good lord imagine if Shuhei took over instead, would've been a platinum era 😩

I miss the first three generations of PlayStation. The way they turned PS3 around, we knew they meant business. We were all worried for a bit there around launch. Eventually from 2008 they started shifting slowly. But since Yoshida was fired, it's never been the same. Still enjoy my PS5 daily. I got a backlog dating back to PS2 lol So I'm fine but new games aren't as appealing anymore.

It seems like we were thrown on to the worst timeline possible where everything is too expensive and the wrong people were put in positions that makes the world a shitty place. We could have had Shu as the head of PS but we got the shitty alternative. Same goes for everyone in power around the world. Doesn’t matter the company or country the majority of us got the shitty picks and the world is declining like never before. I do think PS can come out of this because of their studios, talent and IP but they need someone more in touch with gamers leading things like Shu was. They’re still the best place for console gaming imo but it could be much better than it is especially without the massive live service failures. The rest of the world I have a lot less hope for right now. Hopefully the pendulum swings back towards the good ole days but I’m preparing for the worst.

There goes illuminati distraction story

So now there's certifiable proof that Ryan was in fact "fired", as opposed to when it was first announced that he "retired", in order to save face.

There's another guy who recently "retired" as CEO of another large gaming company, after doing a dismantling job as lead for well over a decade.

seems legit, the business man, fires the one who has ideas to move the business forward.

Jim Ryan is the reason why we are entering year 6 since the PS5 launch and many of us don't feel like the PS5 has gotten started as yet.

I hope going forward, we will see a return to form.