MS are the worst offenders at talking smack by far. Look, if you love something you don't spew hate but sensible criticism. This is sort of like yelling and cussing at your kid instead of thoughtful criticism to help bring out the best. Funny how people are upset about Sony's arrogance due to E3 2006 still to this day yet it still pales in comparison to MS' tactics.

Who am I to agree with ? This guy or a company which has been in business since 1994 with no probs

@chris399

Couldn't have said it in a better way myself.
It's an article for 12 year old fanboys who cry about everything.

I didn't read it all,
but i THINK he was pissed off because of Sony's comment to Activision (regarding the pricecut)... and i don't really understand why one should get angry and cry over that. Sony is a corporation just like all others (in generall), in that they also produce to earn money. Something that's been proven to be b***tch difficult lately.

If Sony would cut the prices of their systems every time a thirdparty publisher cried over it, they would've gone bankrupt by now, and if this fat author can't cope with that then he should choose another profession, because clearly he is failing bigtime.

I think waaaaay tooooo much focus is being put into how Sony(and Microsoft plus Nintendo for that matter also) and Publishers do business. The gaming media should focus on other stuff rather than posting fanboy flame articles and how much they dislike some of the decisions larger corporations make.

edit: I've just finished reading the article, and something i do agree on is how Sony's marketing plans have failed. Honestly, from a large corporation as Sony i really did expect alot more support towards marketing. They should just plain simply do a video where a guy plays a videogame, and calls his friends: "guys, it's gamenight tonight.. i just purchased a PS3. And if you wanna watch a movie later, bring over the The Dark Knight on Blu-ray from Chris. ...399$ blablalba" Right? Is that too much to ask for?

This article was brought on by sonys recent response to activisions and as such i have to disagree with it entirely.

The older things sony has said are mostly related to keeping their stock holders from goin mad. A stretch of the truth here and there and a 10 year plan to put their minds at ease to what's currently happening so they aren't as worried . So in that, I don't disagree with any of their seeming assinine comments. Rigde Race was the ONLY well known franchise to be released near the PS3s launch so it was the only thing they COULD boast about.

Back on to activision
The only reason anything was said was because of the price of their new game accessory and how unnappealing it looks when matched with the cost of a PS3 purchase. It's their own fault and instead of taking the hit themselves they're asking/telling sony to.

Personally
I don't care about activision, i have yet to buy a game of theirs this gen but i know there's a following behind Guitar Hero and COD so that's all sony would be risking with their response. At the same time, those two games are such big sellers that even if activision DID drop support it would most likely make an exception for those titles because it would foolhardy not to.

"How about writing about their unparalleled 1st party game development?

How about writing an article about their stellar fall lineup?"

are you honestly suggesting that you have seen no articles related to these 2 topics? stop being an apologist. this article has as much "news" quality as any other article we see on n4g.

it was a good read, and obviously just an opinion. i find it hilarious and sad at the same time that you people, even after being called out for taking this stuff so seriously, are still taking it so seriously. he says right in the article, if anyone says something even remotely negative about sony, you fanboys treat them like the enemy. and, here you are reflecting that exact statement.

the guy says he loves the console because it has good games. he's just taking a look at the business practice of the company. how you can slam him for that is beyond me. fine if you love ps3, great if you enjoy the games, but stop being apologists. it's pointless, ridiculous, and the arguments have become cliche.

@chris: umm...how about you make a real argument instead of focusing on the wording. whenever a fanboy can't make a real contrary point, they always love to focus on semantics. which is a good trick if you're dealing with children, but anyone with any intelligence can see right through it.

guess i should say goodbye to my bubbles now. if there's one other thing i can count on on n4g, it's that if ppl don't agree with you, it's not enough to just hit disagree, they gotta take your bubbles too. god forbid anyone be allowed to present contrary views. if you aren't a completely pro sony enthusiast, you can expect you will eventually be silenced...despite the fact that this is supposed to be a site for GAMERS and NOT fanboys.

It's worth reading if you want to have a good laugh!!!

"they announced the PS3 price point of "599 US Dollars" as if he were doing the world a favor."

Well, if it was not a favor, what was it??? They lost money on each PS3 sold! Let me guess, they should have sold it for $799, make a small profit, and that would have been doing the world a favor??? What a goof!

Then he goes to say that Sony should listen to Activision (who, may I remind you didn't made that many PS3 games so far anyway), and cut the price of the PS3 so Sony would loose more money, and Activision make some??? Good business sense.

Well, Jim Sterling, I do hope you grow up, and start a business one day. I will buy all the products you make for less than it cost you to make them, and if I say, lower the cost more, I hope you will : )

This 'journalist' gives Sony a hard time for defending itself from Activision's completely immature, selfish, and unprofessional ultimatum to pull support yet doesn't make the point that Activision has just a big of mouth as anyone in the industry?

This whole 'article' is completely one-sided. I would really like to see this fool's view on xbox 360 and microsoft. It would be nothing but a giant stroke off to microsoft because they are perfect. Right? Aren't they?

Did this guy just read the My 360 is collecting dust article, get mad and write a response to bash Sony!

"Then there's the much-lauded "ten year cycle." And it's bullshit." This guy has never heard of the PS2! He lost all credibility and wrote an article based on one quote from Kaz! I have two words for him "Aaron Greentard"!

Only thing worse than a flame-bait article is a flame-bait article in response to a flame-bait article.

"if anyone says something even remotely negative about sony, you fanboys treat them like the enemy"

Well, you are clearly referring to Sony/PS3 fans. But the obvious truth is, it's not just Sony fans. Look into the comments section of this:

http://www.n4g.com/xbox360/...

article, you can see the author is a gamer even though he posts on a PS fansite. As you said people should be gamers, the author is, he owns a 360 and 360 fans have crucified him in the comments for saying that his 360 has been collecting dust lately.

I find it kinda funny, I see you nowhere near that article, yet you came here to complain about the reactions of fans to the headline: "Sony needs to just STFU".

And I am sure you find this article an opinion and the other one "pure flamebait", right?

Just pointing out the obvious to you, Mr. ObviousTruth.

If you want to read a good article, click something else.

If you want to read an article written by a 12 year old whiner who claims to be Criticizing purposely but is really foaming at the mouth at the thought of Sony, then read this article.

A good article would have addressed all these issues in a professional manner, and point out suggestions to Sony on how they can improve. Which is clearly absent here.

okay first of all i must appologize. i'm not sure what i was thinking having a life. i should have been sitting here in front of my computer all day every day just to make sure i comment on everything that comes up.

i must have missed that article. sue me.

i support the opinions of anyone who isn't displaying some sort of bias.
BUT, i will point out a few differences in articles. This article...the one we are commenting on, mentions nothing of 360. the guy doesn't say he likes it, dislikes it, has more games, less games for it. nothing like that. he also says he likes the ps3 a lot and it's his favorite system. the other guy is making direct comparisons which are entirely based on his personal preference. one article is attempting to show why the business attitude of sony could be a lot better and supports the claim with some obviously well thought out points. the other one is a guy complaining he doesn't know what to buy. my advice to him would be to stop worrying about it, or to sell the system if he doesn't enjoy the games...not write an article displaying his clear favoritism towards sony.

I have both systems, i have just a few more for 360 than ps3. that doesn't mean i like ps3 less. in fact, this year i have purchased 3 ps3 games and 0 360 games.

second, i dislike all fanboys. sony fans are just clearly dominant here. i mean look at the speech bubbles for all the guys who can barely construct a rational thought. they have tons of bubbles and it's solely because they shower constant praise on sony. some of the comments read like the person only read the title and maybe the paragraph below it, then went off about how the article has no credibility.

third, your points weren't obvious. the obvious part is that you are trying to spin my comment into an anti-sony one OR a pro-360 one even though i never mentioned 360.

i come to n4g to read articles related to gaming...which means that when i come on this site and decide to express an opinion...it's related to the topic at hand. i don't feel the need to bring in a bias, i don't feel that i need to mention things that have nothing to do with it, and i expect that the ppl who are rewarded with tons of bubbles to be level headed people who can do the same thing. the sad, but OBVIOUS truth is that isn't the case...in fact, it's almost never the case. you can't come here for intelligent conversation, or even a reasonable exchange of opinions. you get finger pointing accusations and whiny, complaining fanboys.

My point is, you clearly referred to Sony fans only, not fanboys in general. And an article is flamebait even without mentioning the competition. He claims to know better how to run an international multi billion dollar company. And even after saying he has a reputation as a "Sony basher" and a "PS3 hater" people should take this "blogger" seriously? The paint makeover of Kaz Hirai and Jack Tretton just adds to this ridicule.

He completely ignored Microsofts arrogant outbursts, now the Sony CEO said something I would not even consider arrogant and he demands they should silence their PR. Activisions boss is the one who has to "STFU" if you ask me, he makes money on the PS3, while Sony is barely making a profit on the hardware, and he says they should drop the price to lose money again, just so he can make some more money selling his plastic guitar and skateboard gimmicks? Give me a break.

And I don't care if the PS3 is his system of choice, is his "opinion" more valid because he claims to prefer the PS3 for now?

@Chris399

I couldn't agree more with everything you said. I just wish that all N4G visitors were forced to read it before entering the site. The article is far too immature in nature to be regarded as anything other than an attention seeking journalist.

You have got no clue what ObviousTruth and the Destructoid writer are talking about.

1st point....
"My point is, you clearly referred to Sony fans only, not fanboys in general."

This is exactly who Destructoid and OT are talking about. Sony fans who defend whatever Sony does and is incapable of finding fault in anything they do. It's not an article about Nintendo or Microsoft, nor their consoles. This is clearly targeted towards Sony and blindly loyal Sony Fans. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

And then you infer that he is lying about his fav console. What, are you in his home watching which system he plays? Please don't tell me that you can't love the console but have some words for the Manufacturer? Come on, can't you even see your own bias.(rhetorical) I thought the article was well written, and sheds some light.

I like the PS3, but hate the Sony PR. I especially hated when the Sony PR came out and said that they deliberately made the PS3 difficult to program for. Oh, and also that people would go out and get a second job just to buy their system. That i hated, and it made me look at Sony a lil bit differently.

Please don't tell me you support all of what Sony PR has to say. And remember, this article is not about MS or Nintendo. It's about Sony.

P.S. the thing is, if you really like something, you can see the faults and what it does right. He likes the PS3 which Sony made, but hates Sony's PR. What's the problem (again, rhetorical).

P.S.S. why are so many people propagating the Flamewars. This article is not about MS or Nintendo. And i don't even think it's "Flameworthy". Why do so many of you feel the need to throw MS and Nintendo in this. Can many of you turn of your blind loyalty for one second and truly digest what he is saying. I guess he needs to come out with articles against MS and Nintendo to satisfy the fanboyism that is running rampant in here.

Whatever.... there is no getting through to fanboys....

I don't defend RROD, so next time do a little research before making claims "Oh, teh Jaspers don't have that anymore!" <---I have never said anything like that. Here I'll make it easy for you http://n4g.com/up/2013/comm... start searching. If your going to make a claim that Xbox fans say things like that in general thats fine, but if your going to single someone out make sure they have said it first.

He didn't say MS and Nintendo or any better or worse. It's not about the Flamewars.... It's about Sony hurting the PS3. That's what you care about, isn't it. Are you telling me that the only news that's good when in relation to Sony is good news. I'm sorry, but they are not without fault.

We are not comparing Sony with the other companies. This is just a look at Sony and what they are doing.

Ms aren't perfect, and neither is Nintendo. But i would be stupid to think that their behavior has been perfect. They have their faults too. But this article is about Sony. Why can't we stay on topic.

I love the USA, but there are plenty of things i can talk about that i don't like. And there are tons of room for improvement. But does that mean that i hate the USA, just because i don't see it as the "mark of perfection."

See when you stop thinking this is a dig against the PS3. and that the article was putting the PS3 down while garnishing praise on the other consoles. Then you'll start to see what the article was trying to do.

is the way ur acting.

Your acting like someone just cut of ur leg or some one just punched ur girlfriend in the face like the PS3 is the only friend you have.

And you still don't get it, its people like you that the guy in this article is talking about.

I understand yeah it's sad that today all we see are a bunch of hate articles but there only articles. And the sadist thing is that Sony fans and 360 fans are just as blind as each other, and and sad as each other to that point.

Edit: It's taken Sony along time to notice that all the stuff they have stated in past has hurt the PS3 and the way they are treating the Europe PS3 owners which still happening and hasn't changed that much.
But once all of it is sorted out will be to late.

Maybe yes, Maybe No all depends on how you look at it. To each his own i guess.

Your point is: This is a Sony article bashing Sony and its PR guys so we shouldn't bring up MS or Nintendo.

My point is: It's ALWAYS a Sony article bashing Sony and its PR guys, where's the damn balance?

I'm not defending or apologizing for Sony. As I said in my other post, they deserved to be ridiculed and criticized for some of the stuff they did but it's freaking 2009. It's not like bashing Sony is breaking some kind of new ground. My argument was I could find 5 different articles going back from 2008, 2007, and 2006. Copy and paste and make the exact same article as the destructoid one. If the point of this article was to point out the most egregious company for PR talk, then it fails because you could make the argument that it has been Microsoft especially most recently. Destructoid is basically saying, "Sony needs to STFU!......for stuff they said years ago."

Still, it's just one guy's opinion which he is entitled to but I find it strange that this guy's opinion: http://www.n4g.com/NewsCom-... - is called "bias trash" by some while Jim Sterling's article which starts with "I have earned a reputation as a Sony basher" can be considered "good read" by the same people. And they're basically the same kind of article except different companies. Like I said, where's the damn balance?

Edit: My main point is that we should all be able to agree that ALL the bullsh*t PR talk from these companies should called out and condemned but we haven't seen that happen. Only Sony. As a gamer, I could care less but as someone who enjoys an honest and fair debate, that really bothers me.

This was a poor article. Not because it was negative towards Sony, but because it was illogical and came off as a hate-filled rant. An impartial journalist would never write an article like this. Calling out PS3 fans for behavior that is in no way unique to them and criticizing Sony for things that are just normal PR speak makes it difficult to take the article seriously.

I can give you a list of things that I think Sony have done wrong, but that doesn't include being arrogant, since they have been no more arrogant than Microsoft or Nintendo, nor does it include not doing a price drop. None of us have all the pertinent facts, but I think it is possible that a price drop would do more harm than good for Sony right now. I am sure Sony have a better idea of how to run their business than people outside the company who aren't privy to every detail.

Oh, and I am not fooled by his claim that the PS3 is his favorite console. It is a very typical ploy used by writers when they want to convince people that they aren't biased. "I am doing this out of love, not hate...blah, blah, blah".

The guy is a known "Sony basher", even a self admitted one, what else is he going to say? "I am a 360 fanboy and I hate Sony, and that is why I am writing this article"?

There is, of course, a small possibility that he really is a PS3 fanboy and he can't stand that his favorite console is not in first place and he puts all the blame on Sony, thus motivating him to write such radical and vehement anti-Sony pieces.

But I doubt it.

I've read the article, and all the nonsense he mentioned only makes a difference to people like him and blogs like his. Howard Stringer's comment was mild in comparison to some of the things Microsoft and Nintendo exec's have said. Both company's act with same arrogance as Sony, Yet Sony is the only company called out for it.

This generation, blog's and bloger's have done more to harm to Sony , Microsoft, Nintendo and the gaming industry as a whole than the individual companies have done to themselves. Most of these bloggers don't have a clue to how business works, the arrogance that Jim Sterling talks about makes little difference in how the business of making money works.

Activision's Exec made an idle threat, they are not going to let the money that Sony and its Playstation brand makes them sit on the table, Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare has sold around 3.5 million units on the PS3 world wide. Activision still makes tons of money on the Playstation 3. It is unprofessional for an executive to try and force Sony into making a decision on a price drop by discussing it in a public manor, and making idle threats.

All the developers want the consoles to be as cheap as possible not just Sony's console, if it were up to game developers and publishers the consoles would be given away for free.

Sony's console is expensive to manufacture, they are selling a very good console at a loss to the company as it is. The console is worth every penny that it cost the consumer and offer way more out of the box than Microsoft or Nintendo's consoles do out of the box. The Price is the only thing that is holding back the sales of the PS3, Sony is playing a balancing act between profitability and console penetration, When it is appropriate for Sony to cut the price they will. As it is, selling over 23 million consoles in two and a half years hardly constitutes failure.

One thing I will agree with is that Sony's Marketing has left a lot to be desired but I have seen a big improvement in there Marketing in the past few months, there infamous adds were very good and there recent console adds have been good. Nintendo has the best marketing out of the three and has had a big part in the success of the Wii console. Microsoft has had a few good add campaigns, the Halo and Gears of War adds come to mind but there basic console advertising hasn't impressed me.

I see that you are good at making sweeping generalizations about "fanboys" and the culture of N4G.

The fact that my comment has received as many disagrees as agrees basically nullifies your comment:

"if you aren't a completely pro sony enthusiast, you can expect you will eventually be silenced"

Clearly there are many users on this site that will vehemently disagree with a "completely pro-Sony" comment.

For the record, just as the author is entitled to his opinion, I am entitled to state that I think his opinion is without merit. I'm not sure how that makes me an apologist...

BTW, the authors proclamation that he "loves the PS3" does not make his baseless opinion any more valid.

I play GAMES. I don't play sales, press conferences, or PR.

-Tru

I could never research a comment and I could never read through all that. I can't believe you would want to put a comment history like that on the forefront! Question, do you ever comment on gaming, or just Sony fanboys? I think you should re-evaluate what you're coming to this site for and maybe remember what brought you here in the first place!

If you didn't say it, I apologize; You 360 fanboys are all starting to sound the same to me. But I guess this is how you feel about Sony fanboys, who are probably what wrenched and twisted you into what you are today. Fanboys suck; Try not to be one!

If you had read my post more carefully, you would have discovered that I made several "real arguments", as you put it:

- About the quality and wording of the article in general.
- About how I'm far more interested in the coverage of games than the companies who make them.
- About the lack of new content or information in the piece. (Why write something that has been written 1000 times before? What does this incessant, circular babble contribute to my hobby and why should I care?)
- About how companies conduct themselves in matters of PR. (Which, according to Mr. Sterling, should have something akin to Ken Kutaragi committing seppoku on the E3 2010 stage as penance for his company's sins.)

A good deal of my post - which you chose to glaze over - was filled with these arguments. ONE of FOUR points that I raised was regarding the "semantics" of the article's wording, which is entirely relevant when discussing Jim Sterling's piece.

I'd stay and chat more, but you seem like one of those "any attention is good attention" types who spews vitriol in an attempt to get as many reactions as possible. I had a good chuckle over you calling me "childish" and a "fanboy" when you are a model case of each behavior.

Just one question. You appear rabid, opinionated and utterly clueless, with the manners of a 12 year old: have you considered working for Destructiod? You'd probably fit in quite well there.

Peace.

...if this hack can't be bothered to title an opinion pice something besides "Sony needs to shut the f*ck up", then I can't be bothered to read it.

besides.... what does he have to say when Greenberg shoots off his trap, huh? Not a d*mn thing, I'll bet.

it seemed... pointless

I thought it should've been 'fanboys' instead of 'sony' 'cause all I remember from sony was funny jokes

This is a trash article. I am a 360 fan and even I can see that.

To the 360 fans: please don't defend this article, it just makes us look bad.

Glad to see none of you find the fact that, instead of trying their best to keep the largest video game publisher happy, Sony pretty much bad mouthed their CEO. That is why this article was sparked (IF YOU READ IT).

and @"My point is: It's ALWAYS a Sony article bashing Sony and its PR guys, where's the damn balance?"

No. No it is not. On the front page right now there are 4-5 articles that have anything to do with M$ or nintendo. One of those is talking about how the author doesn't use his 360 anymore.

U know that argument could have been made pre. ps3 release... but i simply dont find that the case anymore....i think sony has made some pretty amazing strides in the past year.....there PR is still shot to hell and there advertising is just sad......but they have put there money on the games and it has paid off big time to me......i say they should keep it up.....play to the hardcore crowd and ride out this Gen on that alone.....they simply cannot become market leaders again in this gen way to late....but they are playing to the fans and god bless them for that!

How about the writer sit down, stfu and write something about games or something remotely productive?

Nobody writes an article and tells Microsoft spokespeople to stfu but when it comes to Sony...all hell breaks loose huh?

The world can end right now and these people will keep hating Sony like the plague.

before you Microsoft Fanboys take this flame bait just STFU because Microsoft is the most childish, ignorant hypocritical company i have ever seen. They say Wii is a Novelty Item but yet they go and copy it?! that is so hypocritical, atleast Sony Made theirs for hardcore gaming and isnt trying to hop on the casual bandwagon, Microsoft saw all the cash Nintendo is getting and wants in on it, if anyone has turned their back on the Hardcore its Microsoft. Also they faked the Natal Demo, just another thing that Microsoft lied about and is going to fail at. Hmm.. lets see, failed at the 360(rrod) failed at Windows Vista(FULL of bugs) and now they're going to fail at Natal. Seriously Sony, Apple and Nintendo FTW!! People only even buy the 360 because they want standard controls and good graphics but cant afford a PS3.

No, it's not a good read. It's a talentless writer's rant. Rarely does it give substance, unless you're still crying over ''599 USD'' or ''Riiiiidge raacccerrr''.

If you're not, welcome to the year 2009.

And Aaron Greenberg of MS spews more arrogant, incorrect garbage than all of Sony's PRs combined.

"Company X needs to just STFU"

... Sh*t we've heard for the past 2 years.

Honestly, I don't like the title but its a good read.

need to STFU

@1.12

The 10 year lifespan is fiction, meant to give the (less informed) consumer the idea that sony's distant 3rd-place install and their lateness to market wont matter.

The PS2 is still for sale, but it is mostly being sold to replace broken machines or for children/inexpensive-alternati ve.

The PS2 stopped being relevant to the video-game industry as soon as the Xbox 360 shipped -- why? Because the Video Game Hobbyist buys a lot of games, and he's going to adopt the new console and its games.

The PS4 will ship, and the PS3 will be irrelevant, and that is going to happen in 2-4 years - without a single doubt in the world.

Wait, so how is MS trying something completely different with natal such this horrible thing while Sony coming out with magic wands is this hardcore second coming of gaming. I mean do you really believe that Sony doesnt have the same mindset as MS and Nintendo does with theres. Heck the sixaxis is just a gimmick, i mean MS did it 10 years ago with the sidewinder. But really all the companies spew crap but really i think Sony is the worst with the PS3. I mean they go out and call it this ultimate HD gaming machine where HD is only possible yet the console still doesnt even come with component out of the box,the 360 actually has more games the support full 1080p, and MS has proven the Bluray isnt needed to make a great beautiful HD game. Sony then at one moment is trying to pimp there psn and says that downloading full games is the future but then goes out and says blurays the future its flip flopping that all companies do but i feel sony does the worst. Another example is rumble. Sony was quoted multiple times that Rumble was a last gen feature, but yet they were just covering the lawsuit that they were in, next thing you know law suits over and a new control is out and people praise sony for adding something that already should have been there for the start. Sony then also bashed MS for not supporting every xbox game in there BC yet the ps3 at first didnt do any better than it did worse with the move to software then they removed it completely i mean that is crap, it should still be there. Now with the natal stuff the only real thing was milo, burnout, and the dodgeball game and they went out and said that... not once did MS go out and say that the video was real it was ment to show what it could do, yet i seem to remember a FF13, Motorstorm, and Killzone 2 trailer that they claimed as game play until everyone was completely pointing it out that it wasnt. HOME also is another example of this huge hyped piece of crap that im never gonna touch again, luckily for Sony it makes them a lot of money from advertising so im not gonna blame them for keeping it alive. Anyways just cause he going out with sonys problems doesnt mean there arent any, this is just a sony focused article, and just cause i can point out sony problems doesnt mean i dont see MS and Nintendos like How the xbox's hard drives are too expensive and how the arcade unit should have never existed, or how nintendo is losing the so called hardcore gamer and yet the try and tell us that we are much of a priority as the others. So its not that just that sony screws up its just that this gen they have done it the most. And what the hell about you 360 only sells because its cheaper comment, i mean really maybe the 360 sells cause it has a superior online, or how it has fun exclusive games like forza, mass effect, halo, gears, ect, or the fact cause almost every game runs smoother (except for Burnout) What ever happened with just enjoying both consoles and not this i bought a PS3 so i need to defend it no matter what and because i have this ps3 the 360 is crap, both console are both great but they both have somethings they need to work on.... Im sorry that you are blinded and ignorant to sony and apple (though good job on the IPhone and MAc Book Pro)

P.S. To all third Party companies stop making me have to install my PS3 games, it takes to long when i just want to play the game, I mean look at killzone the load times werent long and it didnt make the me install. Also please make the updates install faster thank you, oh and Sony doing it in the background now doesnt make it any better, still takes the same amount of time... Thank You Cant wait for Uncharted 2 and im sure ill be playing most of my games on the ps3 cause im feeling a RROD coming... And sorry for this being long i just felt like i need to make a point

The 10 year Life span is fiction?, The PS2 is almost
10 years old and still sells well and is well supported
by fans, Sony and developers.

also, somebody else said: "Watch, Sony will drop
the PS3 once the PS4 comes out" PS3 Has been out for 2.5
years and sony did not drop the PS2, so why do people
claim that Sony will suddenly drop the PS3?

I Read some of this article, I Stopped right when I began
reading the Activision part, Then I Laughed, not because
I Support sony and thought this Article is stupid(because
it really is a good article but constructed VERY poorly) but
because The entire article actually looks like nothing
more then a rant.

The only people I see that strongly supports this article
are 360 Fanny packs, Like Jason 360 just to name one
who will do ANYTHING to hurt sony.

Whats also funny is the many PS3 Fanny packs who come
to defend Sony, I Think Sony's PR is horrible but I think
that the PS3 is doing very well against incredible odds.

ODDS 1: Most Expensive console
ODDS 2: Bad media news
ODDS 3: Horrible PR
ODDS 4: Delay of Games quite often
ODDS 5: Hard to develop for

Yet with all of these odds, The PS3 in it's 2.5 years
of life sold 24 million consoles, 8 million less then XBOX
360's 3.5 years of life.

So, Can anybody tell me how the frick is Sony really doing
so bad? Sony Isn't doing bad, It's a GD Myth that certain
people spew, Most of us are born with eyes, ears, mouth
and a brain, Do your own comparisons and you'll see for
yourself, just once put the Fanny pack down and do us all
a favor, Do your own comparisons, Compare the numbers
against the odds.

You people suffer from delusions. The PS2 lasting 10 years does NOT guarantee a PS3 that lasts 10 years. What could possibly lead you to that conclusion? Only one thing... loyalty to the brand.

Give me a break. All these bashers can simply ignore the PS3 and Sony forever as far as I'm concerned. The PS3 is one the best consoles I've ever owned. It's okay to demand more from these companies, but in an age where Nintendo still uses Wii codes and MS still charges an annual fee I can't believe people don't, at least, cut Sony some slack.

Back to playing the games I go.

As gamers this is out of our hands now. SONy made their choice and some of you already have the system so the best you can do is enjoy it now.

SONY's PR could go and murder people right now... they can not do no wrong because their hands are pretty much tied. IF the other parts of sony turn a profit they will have some breathing room but that doesn't seem like it's going to happen for a while.

Actually I want to say that SONY posturing is the main reason why they are still relevant in the industry right now because once we stop praising or bashing SONY it will be over for them. I think we all know that.

I know many of you want it to stop but there is so much to be learned from what is happening with sony and their corporate culture. They did so much right but fundamentally crazy wrong stuff also. They basically tried to create a new market that did not exists along with MS.

Now if you have been following what nintendo has done with it's failing systems you see their could be a chance for SONY to come back but they lack one thing right now, huge 1st party software sales...

Another problem is people want to believe that this company can not go under... the same was said about many companies just this year till we found out how much they where actually in the hole.

Just know we don't want to see SONY gone because MS would be a giant d!ck then. Yet they declared war against one of the most dangerous software companies ever.

The most dangerous hardware guys would be intel. I wonder what would happen if intel bought SONY... don't think it could happen? I guess we will see.

I do too, except for the part about Activision needing Sony less than Sony needing Activision. If Activision dropped Sony they would lose tons of money, just like Sony would, and Activision would not be the biggest 3rd party leader. I personally own no Activision games and the only thing I would hate having to miss would be MW2.

Interesting read but I don't really concur with the guy that much. The Activision thing is all down to Activision being ynprofessional, imo, and while he's right that noone at Sony needed to fuel the flames I don't see him attacking the cause of this spat(and saying Activision need Sony less than Sony need Activision is not necessarily true-I'd say it was a pretty mutual thing myself).

Sopny's PR have been at time feckless, arrogant(more so in the past)and muddled and that's where he has valid points. However, imo, they've sorted swathes of it out and now their big fail is marketing and their ads-somethjing which should be pretty easy to rectify but, and for a long time now, seems to elude Sony.

Mostly, though, my problem with this is that with a different emphasis it could be about any of the console makers at one point or another(MS talk smack more than anyone as a PR entity and Ninty just have no idea how to deasl with third parties and by making this about one company and one set of fanboys he does make himself out to be a bit of a basher whether he is, and I doubt it too, or not.

Personally I'd rather be without Activision than Sony-Activision are ALWAYS trying to rip me off whereas Sony aren't. That's more important to me than what the PR dept are doing but to say they need to shape up is a fair, if not restricted to Sony, point. If he'd balanced this more I prolly would agree much, much more with this guy.

and i couldn't stop laughing watching the youtube video.

Edit: When it comes to the whole Activision thing. I do believe that they need Sony as much as Sony need them to be honest with you.

Or you could see it this way with the amount of 1st party support and 3rd party support the PS3 has losing one 3rd party wouldn't be such a big lost to Sony as it would be to Activision when it comes to money.

But if you if you take in account the first thing i said Sony usese Activision in a way to bring more customers to there console which help's them make money and Activision love money and making games for the PS3 makes them money when customers by the games.

Guess it all depends on which way you want to look at it.

But just like someone stated he was right about the hole Sony bashing thing and treating people like there the enemy. It doesn't matter if there is any good points in an article if you guys feel like the PS3 is being threatened you pick up ur cross like the person a vampire.

All lot of you just seem to contradict ur self and you don't even notice it that is the sadist part.

Jim Sterling is only writing this because he has the reputation of writing these retarded editorials with a militaristic, one-sided stance that for some reason people are entertained by. It's his trademark. It's not really a viewpoint, but a persona.

In other words, just another flame-bait 'article'

maybe he just likes the PS3 that much, and wishes Sony would stop damaging its credibility. His whole argument is that Sony is the problem, and that they are hurting the PS3.

He wants the PS3 to do great because he is enjoying the games it's coming out with. He just wishes Sony would stop putting their foot so graciously into their mouths. They've said many things that i don't like, and as i stated before... the whole thing about people getting a second job to buy their console, and that they deliberately made developing for the console hard... are some comments i could do without.

But this is not a Flamewar article. So there is no need to think about MS and Nintendo, because he didn't talk about them. Also, he is not comparing their PR's. It's not about them.... it's clearly about Sony potentially hurting the PS3. That's it, and i would think PS3 fans and rationally minded gamers could see the logic in his argument.

Okay, the comments you're alluding to occured in, like what, 2006/2007. Is it the same currently? Seriously, does SONY display the same arrogance in the present as it did in the past? I don't believe so. What Jim Sterling "rants" stems from the Activision/Stringer back and off. Honestly, how should SONY have responded when Activision threatened to pull support? What Stringer said wasn't really that bad. He said something along the lines "he talks to much (don't remember the exact quote)" and "he's putting pressure on me and I'm putting pressure on him". In this global economy where SONY is probably bleeding cash, how was he supposed to respond? I've criticized in the past. Especially with their slow response to user's demand and initially to their arrogance but it's PR. PR is supposed to do what PR is supposed to do. However, don't you think SONY's PR has getting more humbled, particularly with Mr. Tretton?

Sorry to disagree (it's within human's right) but this is just a flamebait diatribe.

Just about the only thing I can really agree with Sterling is the marketing. It's gotten worse ever since they hired the former SEGA guy. I missed the days of the PS1/PS2 (especially PS1...remember crash bandicoot commercials?) commercials. After that, it's the same from him.

talking to a lot of these lot on here is like talking to a break wall. Or a little child who wont listen to what you have to say unless you agree with them.

One comment was from 06' the other was from 09'. So what were you saying?

And i'm sorry, but what's so bad about this article. He wants the PS3 to do good, but he's observed that Sony isn't really helping. I would think that he cares more for the company, then many of the blindly loyal fans/fanboys in this post. He can actually see the good as well as the bad.

That's true loyalty. Thinking that Sony is without fault will only hurt them in the end. And he is saying the same thing that many gamers and PS3 fans have been saying.

He could've used better words, but hey, i like variety. I don't need the same writing style as the guy who writes the main articles in the Times magazines.

I'm making a parallel between the 06 where SONY was derided (deservedly so) to 09 where one comment is the root of this article.

I'll answer you question "what's so bad about this article?". Jim Sterling is ranting stemming from one a disagreement between Bobby and Howard (or atleast that was his tipping point). I would love to bring up the competition but according to you, I shouldn't because it wasn't used in the piece, even though making parallel between the competition is still valid.

The article is pure flamebait going back to the comments of 06/07 to support his conclusion that "SONY SHOULD SHUT THE FVCK UP". I'm a SONY fan (not a fanboy. I think all the systems are great) and I can see the good and the bad as you say of Jim do. I critized SONY with in-game XMB, HOME, dowloading, etc...(pretty much anything you say). However, It's here and I'm happy with the games and I'm really happy with the lack of poo flinging from Kaz or anyone else (it wasn't necessary).

But writing style still doesn't help his case. If he was (according to me) bringing up information relevant to now, then I could see his point. The only I see is the marketing aspect of SONY, which I wholeheartedly agree.

in the days of profitability, I'll ask you this. What was wrong with SONY's comment then? He addressed it (supporting that his company is in it to make money, as is any company and moved on). No follow-up, no hidden meanings behind the words. You read it and you get it.

But Jim did not put a timeline as to when he came to the conclusion. His article is about Sony in relation to the PS3, and that started in 06'.

You are the one putting an emphasis as to Sony 06' vs Sony present. I too thought that it was bold of Activision to call them out like that. But he also stated the case with the PSP Go's pricepoint as to show relevance to what he is saying as their current behavior.

I don't believe this article to be flamebait because he doesn't bring up MS or Nintendo. Comparing and contrasting the companies is a flamebait article. And he has done neither. Instead he talks about his love for a certain console, and how the consoles Manufacturer is possibly hurting rather then helping it.

He even says that it's his favorite console of this gen. All i can do is believe what he says as far as that goes. I will not speculate that he is lying about his preference.

In my opinion, it was more of a conclusive argument. Your more fixated on what you think is relevant. But try to see what he thinks is relevant, and to him it's Sony 06' to present, not just present.

P.S. Sony dismissing the competition was last year....

solidjun5 so less say what if ok. Activision pulls support and actualy increases profits by supporting the Wii and or casual gaming on the xbox 360 with motion controls. Once Activision posts a higher profit other will follow I'm sure of it. It takes about 20 million to make a HD game and then you have ads also. On top of this there is a real possibility that new xbox 360 games will not be great ports to the PS3 due to the xbox supporting direct x 11 now.

The funny thing is that guy sitting on his high horse at activision already knew this and maybe he already knows this along is enough for MS to win over the tech heads of this gen? Who knows....

Seriously Activision does not need SONY and if the 360 becomes the lead console for development again then every one will dump sony except for the 1st parties.

This is why Stinger's comment could be the nail in the confine for them IF the direct x 11 thing does what we know it can do.

Yet every one does not listen to activision yet too many publishers have had bad words for SONY for them to act like they are in a position to not be humble.

Yet they are in a tough spot and even though they made huge mistakes in the beginning you have to give them props for keeping the thing afloat this long. Yet the only thing that can save them now is game sales... not PR, not a price drop and not fanboys. The bashing doesn't really hurt this system or any system really the gamers will decide what they want.

Activision does not need Sony as much as Sony needs activision. If activision left, they would still sell lots of games, and sony would lose a lot of games. Activision has 12 games coming out for the PS3 before the end of the year. Most of them are multiplatform, but it would be a huge blow for the opposition to suddenly gain 20 exclusives every year. Then sony also loses all the licensing fees from activision too.

Activision would lose sales, but they'd also lose costs.

So sony loses games and money, and activision loses some sales but loses some costs. Activision most likely wouldn't do it, and I don't think sony would let them, but sony definitely would have more to lose.