what!? another AAA exclusive?

oh noes

WHY DID I BUY An XBAWK

yes why indeed..

Yes, look at all those disagree I get by just asking a simple question. LOL. Plus, no-one answered it.

Nobody (except LarVanian, and I don't even know why he bothered lol) answered it because it was a stupid question. Why does ANY company continue to make games. And in case you want to try to pull the sales and profit card, KZ2 is well over a million seller and has made profit.

Plus given the fact that you're a WELL KNOWN troll in PS3 and/or Sony news you're prone to disagrees

And if you actually paid attention, you'd notice LarVanian did answer you stupid question

And yes I do own the game for those who is PMing me. He did not answer my question.

Well i may not agree with patchstations name....i ask myself the same question "why". KZ2 is SOny's first party flagship. yet it has sold only around 2 million units. There are currently around 23 million PS3's out there. 2 million for a flagship title is not good. Say it as you may, but it is not a great return on profit when considering the game took 5 years to develope (creation of engine is included in the 5 years). Now with the engine already completed, it won't take as long to develope another kZ usining the engine. In this case the cost for Development will be reduced, however, with only around 2 million KZ2's sold....there isn't as much of a fanbase for the franchise for when KZ3 comes out.

Disagree as much as you want but that is a valid point.

ok I'll bite

because only in the mind of xbots is this game a "failure" in any way shape or form. I remember you turd-jockeys were even predicting the end of the franchise because it didn't sell 10 million copies in its first week. fanboys........can't live with em, can't stop their moms from putting their pic on the back of a milk carton.

Why o' Why they making another one of me? I flop hard and my sequel is just another disaster.

Some of the Numptys above Bought an Xbox !!!
Ha Ha !!!
Looooosers !!!

Just goes to show how dumb you xbots are when you mock Sony sales huh

Since the engine is up and running and the development time is slashed in half. Maybe they can spend more money on the actual advertisments now?

Where are you getting this "KZ2 took five years" nonsense? Killzone 2 was developed in 3 1/2 years. Not five.

Killzone 1 isn't even a FULL five years old considering KZ1 wasn't completed until November 2004. So I'd love to see the facts on this "KZ2 took 5 or more years" that you all keep trying to spout

Didn't they lose their ass on Killzone 2? Why bother making a 3rd?

Wasn't it 60 million to make and they sold less than 2 million copies?

Like I said, dumb

Easy question. Its because Killzone 2 was a great game and a huge success. Everybody wants a sequel, so Sony listened to their fans and now... Killzone 3

Its a straightforward answer, I dont know why anybody above me didnt say it.

I agree. Like i said since the engine is already developed then ya they will save money on the Dev time and ya we will see if Sony will actually advertise KZ3...however i saw more advisertisments for KZ2 then i saw for Halo Wars, actually i didn't see a single Halo Wars commercial.

@The gaming GOD - the game itself took around 3 years to make, the ENGINE to MAKE the game took an additional 2. Thats 5 years to create KZ2...like i had previously stated. And as stated before, now that the engine is already completed, the dev time will be quicker and thus less expensive. The cost of Developing KZ2 was $60 million.

Creating the game itself and an engine are two different things. You can't tally the game engine cost into that because the engine isn't for KZ2 ALONE. If it was for JUST KZ2 then you'd have an argument. And again, how do you figure it took an additional 2 years to make the engine? As I said before KZ1 isn't even 5 years old. Which means at best the engine was made during the creation of KZ2.

Unless of course, you have some sort of link to say that KZ2's engine was made even before the release of KZ1 to disprove that.

Besides, you even just said it yourself, "The game itself too 3 years." An engine is an engine. A game is a game.

he's still waiting.

He was answered TWICE ALREADY.

Look at replies 1.17 and 1.3.

I think some of you are just looking for a fanboy like answer so you can rant about it. Just because it's not the answer you want doesn't mean it's not an answer

Answer:

Killzone 2 got incredible reviews, incredible sales, incredible feedback from the customers, and continues to be one of the top selling-points for the PS3.

It has converted many COD4 loyalists also. It's amazing!

The campaign could have been longer, but for what it was, it pulled it off pretty well.

"Killzone 2 got incredible reviews" - I agree

"incredible sales" - I disagree. 5 years and 60 million dollars later, 2 million sold copies is not acceptable for a game of this stature.

"incredible feedback from the customers" - only AFTER the patch for the aiming. And most of the "feedback" was from fanboys.

"and continues to be one of the top selling-points for the PS3" - I disagree as look at the sales of the game, it is CLEARLY not one of the top selling-points for the PS3.

"The campaign could have been longer, but for what it was, it pulled it off pretty well" - I disagree. The game was perfect for Co-op which it did not have, no attachment to the main character, and the dialoge was terrible.

KZ2 is a great game there is no doubt about it, however the points that you have mentioned I think are the wrong points to have used to sell the idea of this game. You have taken most of the negative points and put a Fanboy spin on them to make them sound positive to the unaware gamer looking for a game.

Well judging the way KZ2 ended, a sequel was bound to happen. Boy, just imagine now people are saying that UC2 looks breathtaking and blows competition... Same things were said about KZ2 a few months back. Guess KZ3 will be even better looking than UC2 whoo hoo...

The one feature I want in KZ3 is playing as a Helghast soldier. Maybe create a separate campaign for both ISA and Helgast soldier (optional like Infamous) or even better Sev realizes that ISA is unreasonable and joins the Helghan.... I can see it The Darth Vader mask being put on Sevs face in slow mo.....

Next E3's bomb shell can be KZ3.

Wow 2011 is shaping up to be big now as well with KZ3, Agent, Infamous 2 and probably the Last Guardian, (could be a 2010 release).

So Killzone 3 for March 2011. I still hope that we are able to kill Helghast easier. I don't like having to unload almost a whole clip for them to die, when you shoot them in the body. Do they wear some special kind of body armor?

but that's expected with the PS3. I can't wait to see where they go in the story. The ending of KZ2 left me, and probably most of u, in suspense for the 3rd one. I love the gritty metallic feel to the stages but I think if Guerilla threw in a jungle type stage it would be beautiful.

I'm sure this is true. Expect KZ2 sales, and many other PS3 exclusives, to go up dramatically following a price cut.

Add Final Fantasy Versus XIII to that list.

graphics were simply amazing...lets hope they make the online game play better

they can implement more controller settings. Like one for classic killzone and one for noobs like me, controls like COD and BF BC with auto aim :) i suck though online thats why im complaining.

I love Killzone 2 but I hate the maps. They all feel too small. The maps need to be BIG like Battlefield Bad Company (or like the desert map on Killzone 2). All the maps feel too small for 32 players.

Use the control settings (Alternative 2). The button layout is exactly like COD, that is what I use because to me, there is nothing better. I have been playing COD since the beginning ;)

I think there's a reason why the maps are like that.

There's a crap load of processing going on in the background to get the game looking the way it does. Bigger maps would mean more processing power is needed.

I can't wait for the next Killzone game but in terms of graphics I wana be realistic. Will the graphics be better? Definitely but I'd have to be pretty optimistic to say they'd be worlds better.

@1.6 - Yes they do.

@1.2 - Please don't call those retards out, when they start talking you can't make them stop.

...co-op for sure this time.

the only thing i want on kz3 is a better ranking system

No offense to anyone but I lost interest in the 2nd one after only a few hours. Tried the online and ranked up a level but havent played it since a week after it came out.

I am expecting 3 to hold my interest cause 1 and 2 just didnt. Nice gfx but that is all I saw. Resistance (IMO) has a better overall story and I have been playing both 1 and 2 until 3 comes out.

There's plenty to do in KZ2. Go for a trophy hunt. They all look doable, except I am stuck on getting Radec killed on Elite, and 1 kill away from the 0 death (still Radec), but I got Radec in 1:30, at least. These 3 alone should keep you busy for a while.

BTW: I think the shooting is pretty realistic. You don't need to empty a clip to kill the Helgast in Easy - Elite, well, yeah, that may take a bit (and is damn hard - without an MG). But there are still 1 shot kills with a well placed head shot, or two shots: first helmet, second head ("Melon Popper" is awesome).

Oh, to add a line to be on topic. Its obvious they are working on KZ3. They mentioned already that they have worked on the engine for this TV commercial/tech demo, like real dynamic reflections in water and such. Fluid dynamics can't hurt either (well, not really needed in a desert). There's room for improvements. I like that they started right away without wasting any time. But still, I hope they don't rush that out and try to be "over creative" again to break the good in the game (happens sometimes - don't fix what ain't broken).

...there is a lot to do in the single player game if you enjoy the game. I still haven't beaten the game on veteran but have only played it on that difficulty. I could easily lower the difficulty and beat the game but refuse to do that :) Whether you want to get all the emblems, intel, or trophies I feel like there is plenty to do in Killzone 2. I've also gotten back into the campaign to try and get through levels without dying.

Now with Killzone 3 the things I'd wish they'd include is local and online co-op. I'd like some larger open levels to really get that chance to use the sniper rifle. I'd also appreciate a level or two that is a more stealthy level or has the option to go the stealthy route. A slight upgrade on the melee and the ability to grab an enemy and use them as a shield would be cool. I like the controls just fine and enjoy them them a smidge more with the precision mode. I did try to play on alternative 2 mode but switched back to standard controls and have gotten use to them just fine.

I've enjoyed K2 and it's a game that I know I can enjoy every time I boot it up. I really enjoy the new multiplayer maps. Definitely worth getting.

lol yea thanks for the news.... now we have another 3-5 years to wait just like the first one.

Don't be an idiot hater. The engine is made now. Development with be much quicker and still look better than KZ2.

No, they will use the KZ2 engine for Killzone 3 and it won't take them nearly as long. They built the KZ2 engine from the ground up and they wont be simply using it for one game.

For all those of you who seem more clueless, people are disappointed that Killzone 2 has already taken a backseat to so many other good games.

Killzone 2 was a great game. I know, I played it. But it wasn't the second coming, despite examining the evidence plastered inside the shorts of fanboys. It was good... just leave it at that.

But when you get such a dense release schedule of first party games, did you ever think one game might cannibalize players from another game? Yes, you can have too much of a good thing, and too many good game releases too close together actually is WORSE for the sales and likewise for the user communities. That is, unless you have the holiday season to increase your sales bandwidth.

I wonder were the story will go next?

True you can use alt 2 but i find the default settings much better as you are able to use the cover system better with it.

The cover system is extremely important when playing at the elite level.

wasn't it a success? 2 million copies @ $60 is $120 million by my math. if it made anything over the budget, then GG's developers get to keep putting food on their tables and doing what they love. i'm sure they're pretty happy.

killzone 3 ...

My dreams became reality. *-*

if FF or MGS have gone multi-platform... Playstation has many amazing games that will be the future exclusive frachises for good! :)

"$60 is $120 million by my math. if it made anything over the budget"

Don't forget all distributors, retail stores, cost of physical media (shouldn't be more than a buck iirc) advertising, the publisher, shipping costs.

they don't see the full $60 returned. Not even sure if they see half that. The only time they'll see almost all profits is if their going the Digital Distribution route. a game that sells 500k copies on steam probably makes more in profit than a game that sells 2 mil boxed copies.

Can you even imagine what the graphics will look like? Probably something like the KZ2 intro, in other words real!

Killzone 3 will dominate 2011. I really want to see a epic trailer like at E3 06 (it was 06 right?).

Hopefully they add co-op.

And some more weapons.

Anyway, Killzone 2 was AMAZING. I did try to make a review, but nobody read it.

Damn I don't know about you. Sometimes I think you are a 360 fanb0y and sometimes I think you are a hater. SOmetimes I think you are both but now i think you are just an idiot. Now you are complaining Sony is stupid for releasing too many games too close together?

JUst stick to the xbox and you won't have that kind of "problem".

The graphics are great as is aside from a few minor ground textures here and there. Chances are they'll try to up performance.

Dedicate more processing power to physics, player counts, and AI I think. Maybe bigger draw distances, but I think those 3 would make the game a lot better than worrying about upping the graphics in any major way. Maybe to support megatextures or some more efficient texturing method, but the lighting was great, the models were great, the animation was great, the environments were good.

Guerrilla Games are some of the most talented devs alongside naughty dog,SCE Studios Santa Monica, sucker puch, insomniac, kojima, Polyphony Digital,Evolution Studios,Media Molecule. You gotta be kidding me!, they'll be dishing out over 20 HIGH QUALITY games GUARANTEED!!!!, You can't get high caliber games like these anywhere else! I think ill go watch a Bluray on my HDTV @ 120hz(pops open 007: quantum of solace).

This is great news, now they have the engine made they can work on delivering a good single player experience this time around.

"Dedicate more processing power to physics, player counts, and AI I think." - That doesn't make sense. The destruction physics, hit response (anim+physics), number of players(MP)/NPCs(SP) and the AI (Elite!) are pretty much unmatched anyhow. Draw distance is graphics.

What I'd hope is a different environment. Back to KZ1 with jungle, desert and/or snowy mountains. And improved visuals. Better character models (yeah, I admit, they look a bit creepy) and maybe subtle improvements here and there. UC2 water simulation! (full reflective depth, and close shaders for wet pants :)

I know I am gonna get disagreed to infinity, but I didn't finish the KZ2 single player, it didn't interest me enough to continue :(. The multiplayer was good though.

No, they are controlled reflections.. Like Uncharted had reflections on Water. Max Payne etc.. had refection on Glass. But that's not the only thing that reflects light. The key here is light reflection, it doesn't have to be a visible image.

Think about a waxed dance floor. That reflects light.

so kinda like GT5P where you can see the markings of the track and other cars on your car?

spandexxking, those "mirrors" are just windows into another area where they re-render the same content in reverse. Pop in Mario 64 and look in the mirror room. You can move the camera into the mirror and realize that they are actually rendering another Mario.

i don't know. the Uncharted 2 beta is making my eyes hurt with all the saturation. i like KZ's color palette.

i'm going back through on elite, and this game is hard as h3ll. way harder than Uncharted on crushing.

@Edgeofblade-Honestly you think KZ2 gt a free critical pass in that area? It wass one of the biggestloudest moans about the game and began an age before the game even released.

This said I don't really recall much stick heading Gears way for it at all(and Gears deserved it more as it's two games with the same grey/black/brown palette while Killzone1 was pretty varied, no?

Whatever, I just don't agree that Killzone got a pass in any area from the critics-many of whom didn't like the fact that, in some areas ay least, the game levelled and even beat the E3 trailer that they all said it wouldn't get near. Killzone2 really paid for it's success, imo, whereas Gears didn't pay nearly so highly even with those Epic bullshots stirring the pot!

Both amazing games though and I'm hoping MS give Epic a little longer with GeOW3 to really push the 360. If so 2011 could be a great year(again).

Well what made KZ2 easier was that the Helghast had Big red eyes staring at you so you had a better sense at where they were at, lol.

"But I still can't help but think people criticised Gears for the same color palette thing but gave KZ2 a pass..."

Funny... because im pretty sure it was the other way around.

It did go both ways. Hypocrites on both sides.

That is a very good idea. Just shooting Helghast in the jungle. I would like to see very deep weapon customization (grenade launchers, underslug shotguns, optic sights, scopes, etc) and some more vehicle levels. I want to ride a ISA buggy!!! And co-op.

KILLZONE 3!!!!